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Americans are traveling again, although the rebound is mild. According to Smith Travel Research, U.S. hotel occupancy is up 5% thus far this year while the average daily room rate is down 1%. In San Diego, occupancy is up 5.9% year to date, but the average daily room rate is down 3.9%. La Jolla-based tourism guru Jerry Morrison points out that financial woes have hit San Diego hotels. In August, U.S. occupancy was up 6.4% and the average daily room rate up 1.7%. In San Diego, occupancy was up 4.7% and room rates up 1.7%.

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Visduh Sept. 24, 2010 @ 7:11 p.m.

Perhaps the San Diego "hospitality" industry could reduce its room rates and attract more visitors. The recent trends seem to mean just the opposite. Occupancy growth lagged the national trend in August, whereas the prices were up. Hey guys, ever heard of the law of supply and demand? Naaa. Never will happen in SD.


David Dodd Sept. 24, 2010 @ 7:16 p.m.

This is another chunk of proof that Americans are saving again. As Don noted, bad for the short-term, good for the long-term. Bad for San Diego? Perhaps. However, if the tourism industry declines, then isn't that healthy for the long-term? Creative destruction occurs when some sectors dry up, which opens up new and often more lucrative opportunities. It would be nice to see non-speculative manufacturing return to San Diego in some form.


Visduh Sept. 24, 2010 @ 7:22 p.m.

San Diego cast so much of its economic well-being with tourism that it will really suffer if the visitors stay away. I've decried the over-reliance of the county on 1) tourism, and 2) the military presence. I fully agree that for San Diego to have really solid prosperity it needs to get away from both of those "pillars" and seek some sort of diversification. "Non-speculative manufacturing" has a nice ring to it. Care to describe what that means?


David Dodd Sept. 24, 2010 @ 7:52 p.m.

Non-speculative in terms of not awaiting FDA approval, or not relying on military contracts. That sort of manufacturing is speculative. While manufacturing in general is no sure thing, there are sectors in manufacturing that are much more solid.


Don Bauder Sept. 25, 2010 @ 12:01 a.m.

Response to post #1: San Diego is more overbuilt than most markets. Maybe hoteliers feel they have to recover. Or receivers or BK trustees are pricing too high. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Sept. 25, 2010 @ 12:02 a.m.

Response to post #2: Whaddya want, more aerospace companies? Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Sept. 25, 2010 @ 12:04 a.m.

Response to post #3: A Caterpillar manufacturing plant would be non-speculative. But SD isn't going to get one. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Sept. 25, 2010 @ 12:06 a.m.

Response to post #4: Tech and biotech are speculative and likely to move offshore. Heavy industry won't pass anti-pollution requirements. Tough objective. Best, Don Bauder


WhatGoesAround Sept. 25, 2010 @ 5:16 a.m.

Speaking of caterpillars, if tourism does pick up, the result will be a bedbug pandemic in the U.S. and worldwide that will dwarf recent epidemics of head lice. Bedbugs are an equal-opportunity nightmare coming to a bed near you.


Don Bauder Sept. 25, 2010 @ 10:04 a.m.

Response to post #9: The bedbug epidemic is particularly bad in the Northeast, but it is only a matter of time before it moves heavily West. I wonder if San Diego's climate will be hospitable to bedbugs. Best, Don Bauder


SurfPuppy619 Sept. 25, 2010 @ 11:51 a.m.

Whaddya want, more aerospace companies

General Dynamics owned half of Kearney Mesa in the 80's, the Tomahawk cruise missle was made right here, Teledyne Ryan had a huge plant on the bay.......and the list goes on and on and on.

What do we have now that even comes close?????

[Just "SPAWAR" today.]


Don Bauder Sept. 25, 2010 @ 6:03 p.m.

Response to post #11: General Atomics provides some employment. I believe SAIC still does, too, although the headquarters is now near Washington D.C. Cubic definitely provides employment, Cohu less. Best, Don Bauder


David Dodd Sept. 25, 2010 @ 6:33 p.m.

The problem with aerospace and defense is that for at least half of the workforce, and maybe more, it is temporary employment. Government contracts come and go, and the Prime contractors - in order to compete - change the rules often. The last aerospace job I held, we had lots of Boeing work. After a few successful years for both our company and theirs, Boeing decided that rather than to have us bid on jobs, they would tell us what price we would be paid. Other companies were willing to take a loss in order to get the work. Game over.

General Atomics has enjoyed a great run being the largest supplier of unmanned drones, but that time will also come to an end. Then, in order to compete, they will move their operations to a location that costs much less, just like the other aerospace companies have done.


Don Bauder Sept. 26, 2010 @ 8:43 a.m.

Response to post #13: There are other troubles with aerospace/defense. Remember what the so-called Peace Dividend did to the Southern California economy in the early 1990s? Best, Don Bauder


SurfPuppy619 Sept. 26, 2010 @ 8:53 a.m.

But we did at one time have major employers here...and that employment is still going on somewhere, just not here.

I was goign to list General Atomics as one major player still here, but left it off since I have not heard much about them recently.....I used to work for DHL overnight delivery in college and I had General Atomics as a client, their La Jolla/Torrey Pines campus is huge....


Founder Sept. 26, 2010 @ 10:44 a.m.

TOT, our golden goose is being killed by continual increases to make up for our City's fiscal fiasco! As wealthy tourist now realize, they can fly anywhere for sunshine; we will tend to become more like a land locked Hawaiian Island, a fun place to visit maybe once, but a very expensive place to live or to do business...

We do still have great weather, great beaches and are currently still marketing our "very hip" So-Cal lifestyle that actually started changing drastically awhile ago when all the NO signs (Dogs, skateboards, rollerblades, bicycling, booze, parking, water, lawn, etc) started going up near our San Diego beaches and now they are spreading rapidly inland.

The Sleepy San Diego (part Navy, Part College, part Surf City) of yesterday , is now being modernized by "managed competition" into just another bureaucratic "Burg", because we have allowed our Leaders to "Orange County" San Diego...


Don Bauder Sept. 26, 2010 @ 5:26 p.m.

Response to post #15: The manufacturing done in San Diego by General Dynamics is not necessarily going on elsewhere. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Sept. 26, 2010 @ 5:28 p.m.

Response to post #16: Most tourists don't think about what makes the economy tick. Best, Don Bauder


David Dodd Sept. 26, 2010 @ 5:50 p.m.

Re #17: General Dynamics is now in the business of acquiring small companies. Besides NASSCO, General Dynamics acquired Tadpole in Carlsbad and Axsys Technologies which has a division in Otay. There could be others I'm not aware of since I'm no longer in that sector.


Don Bauder Sept. 26, 2010 @ 9:45 p.m.

Response to post #19: Other than NASSCO, which GD has owned for ages, those companies are pretty small. Best, Don Bauder


David Dodd Sept. 26, 2010 @ 10:58 p.m.

Tadpole is small, but important. Axsys employs around 90,000 in five locations. I limited the scope to San Diego locations that I could remember off of the top of my head.


David Dodd Sept. 27, 2010 @ 9:37 a.m.

I think the division in San Diego employs less than 1,000.


Don Bauder Sept. 27, 2010 @ 1:14 p.m.

Response to post # 21: The question is how many Axsys employs locally. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Sept. 27, 2010 @ 1:15 p.m.

Response to post #22: It's large. Again: how many are in SD? Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Sept. 27, 2010 @ 1:16 p.m.

Response to post #23: Those data should be easily accessible. Best, Don Bauder


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