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One of my older blogs...can't remember the title at the moment. I think it's about idiotic football players or NBA personalities; we've gotten into this debate about...well, about a lot. Things like racism, bad schools, what we can learn from each other, blah blah blah.

I've found those debates can be fun. When you have them with people that aren't either far left or far right. Nothing irritating me more than talking with a professor friend of mine that is always involved in the rights of minorities in the San Fran area. He's so convinced that everyone is out to keep different races and poor people down. You basically can't even reason with him. And that's usually the case with hardcore liberals. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather spent the day with one of them, as oppose to a Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/Hannity type.

And that whole debate got me thinking about Bret Michaels. You know him. The singer of Poison. Star of the goofy reality show "Rock of Love," where he gets to sleep with 20 women and decide which one he likes best (until the next season rolls around). The women don't seem to mind his dorky Ed Hardy shirts, bandana and hair extensions.

The reason I thought of him was because he was on the Tony Awards last night (one of the few award shows I don't watch). As he was finishing up his song (on a side note: what was the reason for him performing a song? did he have anything to do with the theatre?)

Part of the set came down on him and fractured his nose and cut his face. And, as funny as it was seeing him hit the deck on his back...I wanted to talk about the shows host, Neil Patrick Harris. Better known to some as Doogie Howser; or others as the sex maniac in Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle (has a movie title ever more accurately described the film? I guess "Dude, Where's my Car?" is a close second)

Every time I see Harris on a talk show, I'm laughing. He has a great sense of humor. He can be self-depricating. He tells interesting stories. And, although I didn't see him hosting the awards show the other night, I'm sure he was hysterical.

Yet, I had seen so many interviews with bitter actors that can't find work. And they blame it on a role they had as a child. They claim that casting directors only see that one character they played, and because of that, they don't get the work.

I just don't buy it. Who would think they could cast an adult Doogie and make him believable? And yet he is great as a womanizer on "How I Met Your Mother." Heck, we even know he's gay and the part he plays still works.

I see people like Tom Arnold working studily in films, so anyone can. Well...I'm not saying anyone can just go to Hollywood and make it in film. I'm saying that anyone that has already had prior success, should be able to continue making a career out of it.

I saw that Lou Diamond Phillips was on that reality show "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here." He's one of the only actual celebrities on the show.

He could've argued that nobody would hire him because they just think of Ritchie Valens from La Bamba. Yet I saw him play a completely different character in the underrated Denzel Washington/Meg Ryan movie "Courage Under Fire." I know he's done lots of other movies, I'm just making a point. It's a completely different character. One that is a boxer in the military, a bully, and suicidal. Yet he snagged the part.

I know a DJ that interviewed Jerry Mathers (better know as the Beaver). He complained of people not hiring him because they just thought of his Leave it to Beaver character. Well, I don't buy it. I think he was probably a bad actor (his interviews are never interesting).

Another thing that I think happens to child actors is, they get an ego. They might be used to having a trailor all to themself, getting what ever they want, who knows. And when they get older, they haven't dealt with people the way others who have grown up normally.

I know Judge Reinhold said nobody would hire him and he didn't blame them. He said he was so difficult and made such demands, that people just got tired of dealing with it.

But instead of looking at all the other reasons that child actors go on to a life of drugs, crime, and no work in acting...it's easier for everyone to write stories about how big, bad Hollywood just chews them up and spits them out.

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"And that whole debate got me thinking about Bret Michaels."

Whaa? Wow, talk about stream of consciousness--you were definitely ready for la la land when you wrote this, Josh. However, it is fun to see you thinking more metaphorically.

"Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle (has a movie title ever more accurately described the film? I guess "Dude, Where's my Car?" is a close second)"

Hmmm. Both movie titles. Both full sentences.

"Nothing irritating me more than talking with a professor friend of mine that is always involved in the rights of minorities in the San Fran area."

Nothing irritates you more than someone passionate about his activism for underrepresented social groups? I thought nothing irritated you more than film titles with at least a subject and a verb! I also thought nothing irritated you more than people who are always hounding you about bias in educational testing.

It sounds like you are trying to make an argument for 'everything' as a merit-based system, but it is hard to jump from whiny child stars who say they've been permanently typecast (yes, they have, and yes, as commenter #1 says, if they have flexibility and talent wanted on the market, they can break out of the mould), straight to the situation of so-called minority groups and a level playing field.

June 9, 2009

is josh going to be joining us???

June 9, 2009

Magics, all parties have been notified. You have my private email. Let's plan this there, k?

June 9, 2009

Okay, then I'll trust you. In the "university setting" are you telling me that you hear "both sides" discussed? That half of professors are Republican, and half Democrats? Or, that most don't even discuss politics, if the class they're teaching doesn't relate to the subject.

And, having that much experience in the teaching profession, are you also telling me (as per the argument in another thread) that bad schools have bad teachers? And good schools in good neighborhoods, are that way because they have all the good teachers? If so, I can shoot that argument down pretty easily.

June 10, 2009

Sorry. I didn't explain that properly. Because, when I first heard about Jackson starting that charity, I thought it was great. Years later, when I hear that, I cringe.

When I hear Al Gore doing all this stuff for the environment, I think it's great. Then I hear he's made $200 million with his "green" companies, see he takes private jets just to do lunch with someone in Phoenix, and his electricity bill at his house is some insane amount...and I cringe.

In the early days, I loved Michael Moore. When I see he does all this stuff, and it makes him $200 million dollars (98% of which he doesn't donate to any charities), I cringe.

Yet other liberals don't see this. They just go on and on about the big, bad Republicans (all that being said, I'm a Democrat...

I just don't throw logic out the window. So, when I hear stats, or am willing to debate whether women make less than men, I can have an open mind. Or use logic. My liberal professor friend, simply can't do that. Neither can refried. And the crazy thing is, both those people are smarter than I am. I am convinced of that.

Yet, they don't use proper logic, which makes me wonder...what really is intelligence? They obviously both have more schooling then I do. They have bigger vocabularies than I. They have more experiences (world wide) than I do. Yet, you throw something at them that shakes their world-view, and logic goes out the window.

It's like listening to Rosie O'Donnell talk about how 9/11 was a conspiracy. This was a woman I thought was intelligent. I don't think you could be a good stand-up comedian (which she was), and not have a brain. Yet, she doesn't look at how poor that logic is, thinking 9/11 was a conspiracy by our government.

June 9, 2009

Hollywood sounds easy compared to the publishing world. At least these actors have a good shot at getting a book published even if they can't secure acting jobs. People will buy the books based on the celebrity value alone. In comparison, a good first-time novelist is very much up against it.

Regarding your activist friend, if you really want to understand him, you have to take a few steps back. This isn't easy for a lot of people to do. I think that one has to set aside, at least momentarily, their ideology. He should want to do that as well, ideally (pun intended).

A great example of this is in listening to economists debate, or rather discuss, economics. I recently listened to quite a few podcasts of discussions between neo-Keynesians and Hayekians. Keynes is macroeconomics and Hayek is microeconomics (there's a lot more to it, but I'm trying to be as general as I can). Microeconomists theorize that microeconomics is the only true economics, while macroeconomists argue that microeconomic thought is not useful on a broad scale. You would think that these discussions would become heated!

Not the case. In fact, I am so impressed with both sides having the ability to toss aside ideology for the case of understanding. In the end, the listener gets the opportunity for great enlightenment. It's truly impressive.

I got lucky. I grew up having absolutely no understanding of minority issues, no matter how much I tried to keep an open mind. Yet, for the last seventeen years, I have been a minority. While I have done everything in my power to assimilate here in Baja, not a day goes by where in some way I'm reminded of my minority status. And most of these Mexican people are so kind, so considerate, and so polite.

But knowing that your friend wants to defend someone, somewhere, a minority, well - that's a noble man.

A few weeks ago I attended a bullfight (don't judge me, it was an assignment). I took a lot of pictures and my friend Scott rode with me on the Tijuana City bus back to down town. I was showing Scott the pictures, when a couple of drunk young bucks poked my camera down, perhaps they thought I was taking pictures of them. I glared at them, and then continued to show Scott my pictures. The second time the kid did it, I told him in Spanish to keep his hands off of my camera.

It could have turned ugly, but guess what? A lot of people on that bus defended us, and made the kid sit down. They didn't have to do that. I'd like to think that the spirit of your activist friend was on that bus that evening.

June 9, 2009

"Yet, you throw something at them that shakes their world-view, and logic goes out the window."

I still don't understand what you mean by this. You haven't shaken anyone's world view? Anyone out there? Has Josh shaken your world view with his argumentation? Is your Rosie O'Donnell example, or your examples of how you are pissed off by administrative costs for political consulting or upscale charity events, supposed to convince others of something?

What you call an open mind seems to have a different definition. In order to have intellectual give and take, there needs to be solid argumentation on both sides, and both need to have a common purpose in mind, to build toward new knowledge. This is what people do in universities, and this is why a college education is so important. By the way, is that what you think they do in university, sit back and bitch about big bad Republicans? All I have seen from you is a willingness to fall back once in a while when someone else does all of the work, and is finally able to get through to you. You rarely bring anything serious to the table and you expect to be fed.

I am sorry to have to say these things, Josh, but they are true. I don't understand what it is that you are doing with these blogs. What is your purpose? You mix random, careless statements about politics and events that affect people's lives and even right to live with random commentary on pop culture, and call it a day. You work mainly with innuendo, gossip, sudden, unexamined thoughts, and fourth-party hearsay. You cite your ACLU "lawyer-friend" and your "liberal professor-friend," with the sole purpose of saying that they employ no logic. I have the feeling that you think you are 'winning' arguments with them by throwing inconclusive particulars into the mix, and they just give up because there is nothing to be done, nothing to be possibly constructed upon your platforms of "logic."

Maybe you should just start a daily blog titled "All that being said, I'm a Democrat..." and focus exclusively on your mission to create a stronger police state, and a "merit-based" educational and social environment from which considerations of race and culture are banished.

You'll build a stronger readership of those who can agree with you, and finish your arguments for you, provided you can stomach their conclusions.

June 9, 2009

Well SD, the problem with underrepresented social groups is...just because you defend them (meaning my friend) doesn't make him right. He does what a lot of people do. They throw logic out the window.

This friend is the first person I had the hardcore argument about women making less than men in the work place. And he things that police and court systems have an agenda for wanting to jail minorities over Caucasians. When you start with a flawed premise, I'll listen. But when I give you facts, well..I expect that person to listen as well. And admit they are wrong on things.

Jesse Jackson raised $20 million for inner city, poor schools. I thought that was wonderful, until they looked at his books and only $900,000 of that money went to schools. They asked him where the rest went, and he said "administrative costs".

Now, my friend doesn't make money when he does these things, marches, protests, all that. As refried said, he's very noble. But he also throws common sense out the window. And just because your heart is in the right place, doesn't mean you can disregard facts.

June 9, 2009

and refried, it's not just a first time novelist. i think a first time actor would have a tough go of it, too. i'm talking about an actor like...let's say Jon Cryer. he did some 80s movies. then, his look alike mathew broderick went on to bigger and better things, while he didn't. now, he's on a successful show with Charlie Sheen.

imagine some guy trying to break into acting, and he's up against someone that has a famous sibling, or was a child star. You can guess who would get the part.

June 9, 2009

SD...are you saying, you don't think universities, in the classroom, knock Republicans? Trust me, professors are probably 90% liberal, and they push that take on their students.

June 10, 2009

"You mix random, careless statements about politics and events that affect people's lives and even right to live with random commentary on pop culture, and call it a day."

No, no - you have him confused with insert your choice of conservative radio talk show host here...

Josh, for what it's worth, I think it's interesting. But Ms. Daniels does have point, you seem to throw this stuff up on the wall, marvel at it for a few minutes, and go on to the next wall. In my opinion, these subjects demand much more attention. Time probably prohibits you from digging deeper into the mud.

If you crash our little party later this month, I am going to gift you with a book. I am going to purchase you your very own copy of Vonnegut's "God Bless You Mr. Rosewater" (assuming I can find it). By far it isn't Vonnegut's best work, but in my opinion it was his most defining book. I don't know if you've read much Vonnegut, but you'll love him if you haven't. He described himself as a humanist.

And he was a raving liberal. And he was one hell of an amazing writer.

For me, Vonnegut made me understand as much about liberalism as did Buckley enlighten me about conservatism. I'm not a liberal, Josh. I voted for Reagan both times, proudly so. I then became completely disenchanted with politics when the Republican Party nominated George H. W. Bush instead of Jack Kemp. Since living in Baja, I've never felt ethically correct in re-engaging in politics in the U.S. And it doesn't much matter, because I haven't heard from a candidate I would vote for in any case.

June 9, 2009

Daniels, you just have 'so' much more energy than I do.

Well said, as always.

June 9, 2009

I totally agree about the child stars. The ones who are good still manage to get work. IF they are difficult to work with or have an attitude, they get dropped. Poor babies. Victim mentalities! Get some talent or get lost!

June 9, 2009

I don't understand why you keep saying that your friend "throws logic out the window." How does he do this in argument?

I also don't understand what Jackson's administrative charity costs (yes, I've heard that kind of story a million times about charity events and benefits, it is the way they work) have to do with anything at all.

June 9, 2009

I don't need to "trust" you on this--I have spent nearly twenty years in a university setting!

That fact that you homogenize scholars in such fashion, and don't take into consideration the content of their lectures, shows that you do not have much experience with it. There is a big difference between simply pushing an agenda and the more difficult, painstaking work of exploring its logical conclusions.

June 10, 2009

Josh...if educators lean towards the liberal and democratic, why do you think that is? Perhaps education itself has a liberal bias? Or perhaps conservatives/republicans head for the money jobs. I can only speak from personal experience but I don't recall my calculus professor going on and on about Reagan when I was in college in the early 80's. And please do not cite any "statistics" by David Horowitz who I assume is a favorite guest on the conservative talk shows when the subject of liberal professors pushing socialism on unsuspecting students come up. And how does Michael Moore not donating his money have anything to do with his movies? He's a capitalist as well as a member of the NRA. I think Miss Daniels, as usual, has made some valid points. I would love to hear your liberal ACLU lawyer friend respond personally. I'm sure he or she could hold up their side of the argument well. And speaking of Reagan, refried tell me it isn't so. You voted for Reagan twice? And you're a Python fan? : ) The damage that man has done to this country is incalculable. No amount of republican revisionist history will change that. The worst of which is his getting into bed with the moral majority. Thirty years later the christian taliban has total control of the republican party as they try to take us back to the 1700's. Even someone like John McCain, who I'm certainly glad lost, has to jump through hoops for them.

June 11, 2009

I agree 100% (with the Reagan comments). It kills me whenever someone talks about him as being a "great President."

I guess my problem with Michael Moore is when he specifically has knocked Republicans on shows, because "all they care about is getting rich and making money," yet he is rich and making money (by making films about all that). So, unless he wants to donate all that money, or a lot of it, he should keep quiet.

I once heard Moore, on Bill O'Reilly, say that he thinks rich people should pay 80% of what they make in taxes, because they can afford it more than poor people.

Now, that is the stupidest logic I have ever heard. And it shows his mindset.

June 11, 2009

Josh wrote:

"...are you also telling me (as per the argument in another thread) that bad schools have bad teachers? And good schools in good neighborhoods, are that way because they have all the good teachers?"

Of course not. Time and again, you miss my points. I don't think in linear, single causes, Josh, because this is rarely how reality works.

It isn't at all about 'winning,' and this isn't a situation where you just "shoot" points with your gun or basketball--especially when you do not, as you do not, work remotely with any connection to any given school system. Remember, people's lives are at stake in many of the issues you bring up.

My point was that I have seen a variety of teachers in action, just as your interviewee confirmed. There are multiple causes for scholastic failure, and my, attention, major point: is that one contributing factor happens to be residual, insidious workings of racism and cultural bias. Obviously this is geographic and economically traceable, but I ain't gettin' paid to trot out proofs to you, and you have yet to show that you even admit the existence of such factors--which truly boggles the mind.

June 11, 2009

(cont) Josh wrote:

"...That half of professors are Republican, and half Democrats? Or, that most don't even discuss politics, if the class they're teaching doesn't relate to the subject."

Josh, I seriously hope you can wrap your mind around the fact that most people who argue everything in shallow, binary, political topicalities are just going around in circles, including yourself. "Half" D, half R? Huh? If you logically conclude, as I have repeated time and again, that our politics, our ideologies, our cultural biases inform everything we do and think, of course topics non-related to politics will still be 'flavored' by a professor's personal ideology and political bent. This seems to be the only time you'll even consider this kind of thing in action, because lord knows there is no profiling happening on your big gulp runs.

Whatever a professor's political leanings, as I said, his or her position is--if s/he is a good scholar and intellectual--going to trot out opposing viewpoints, and examine the rhetoric. This goes for political hotbeds like anthropology, performance studies, literature depts, sociology, etc. In comparative lit and performance studies, where I spent a lot of time, you are dealing with narratives that span centuries, and you treat all but the most biased and silly of texts with respect.

Again, a good scholar's foremost wish is to further knowledge, to expand the knowledge base and to work the problem by intelligently complicating the question, as necessary. (This is why I would have a kick-ass scholar in the White House, rather than a cowboy).

Josh, I realize that the problem with you and me is that you always deal in absolutes, and consider only one or two probable causes, often linear in shape, in any situation. I speak a different language, shy from misleading absolutes, and prefer to work a problem from as many known and established causals as possible. Yeah, I'm exasperated with the way you grasp at straw men, but I'm not trying to show myself as superior--that really doesn't give me much pleasure after so many years--I just wish that you would think harder, man up, and own the logical conclusions of your often dangerous and ignorant premises.

June 11, 2009

Speaking of "manning up", you need to do the same. You say "one" of the many problems in the educational system, is "racism". To me, this is the most ignorant statement you may have ever made. In any thread.

So, let's just say for arguments sake (since I'm not talking to you directly to know what percentage you think that is)...I'm guessing you think that's at least 20% of the problem. To me, it's about 2% of the problem. A small enough number that it's not even worth addressing (much like the women making less than men, which is probably 2% of the work field that has this "problem").

Saying you'd rather have a scholar in the White House than a cowboy, I sort of agree. But you know what the problem is with people and there politics? I bet a Republican could say they'd rather have someone in the White House that wasn't just trying to sleep with every woman they came across, including interns. Yet, Clinton was a great president. Had Bush been a great President, I wouldn't care if he was a cowboy, didn't know who F. Scott Fitzgerald was (he once called the novel "The Greatest Gatsby"), or if his VP can't spell "potato".

Because, you want to know something? There hasn't been a President in our history, that's as caring and wonderful a human being as Jimmy Carter.

He's also one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

So whether someone is a cowboy that can't pronounce "nuclear", or is an African-American...none of that matters to me. I like to see what kind of job they're doing, and how that helps/hurts our country, before making judgements.

June 11, 2009

Boy, I hate to interrupt this, but I'll put down my popcorn and soda for a minute.

Josh, you are aware that schools were actually segregated well into the mid 1950's? Do you really think that, after forced integration, and then the backlash into non-integration, that the U.S. is out of the woods on that issue? Racism continues to be a problem, and in schools it means that it's something to be concerned about. They are our future. I wouldn't dismiss this so lightly as to put an arbitrary percentage on what you perceive the problem to be.

And I don't think Clinton was a great President. He was probably the best Republican since Reagan (rimshot), but not a great President.

And I agree with you about Carter.

But more importantly, I submit this to you: Do you really think that the President of the United States of America has all of this power, or do you think it's the wealthy elite that elected the President?

June 11, 2009

Dem and Repub presidents have always done the bidding of the corps that got them elected. But I would say less so in the case of democrats because they get the substantial percentage of the disenfranchised vote. If Carter could run again, I'd vote for him today.

June 11, 2009

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