4S Ranch Allied Gardens Alpine Baja Balboa Park Bankers Hill Barrio Logan Bay Ho Bay Park Black Mountain Ranch Blossom Valley Bonita Bonsall Borrego Springs Boulevard Campo Cardiff-by-the-Sea Carlsbad Carmel Mountain Carmel Valley Chollas View Chula Vista City College City Heights Clairemont College Area Coronado CSU San Marcos Cuyamaca College Del Cerro Del Mar Descanso Downtown San Diego Eastlake East Village El Cajon Emerald Hills Encanto Encinitas Escondido Fallbrook Fletcher Hills Golden Hill Grant Hill Grantville Grossmont College Guatay Harbor Island Hillcrest Imperial Beach Imperial Valley Jacumba Jamacha-Lomita Jamul Julian Kearny Mesa Kensington La Jolla Lakeside La Mesa Lemon Grove Leucadia Liberty Station Lincoln Acres Lincoln Park Linda Vista Little Italy Logan Heights Mesa College Midway District MiraCosta College Miramar Miramar College Mira Mesa Mission Beach Mission Hills Mission Valley Mountain View Mount Hope Mount Laguna National City Nestor Normal Heights North Park Oak Park Ocean Beach Oceanside Old Town Otay Mesa Pacific Beach Pala Palomar College Palomar Mountain Paradise Hills Pauma Valley Pine Valley Point Loma Point Loma Nazarene Potrero Poway Rainbow Ramona Rancho Bernardo Rancho Penasquitos Rancho San Diego Rancho Santa Fe Rolando San Carlos San Marcos San Onofre Santa Ysabel Santee San Ysidro Scripps Ranch SDSU Serra Mesa Shelltown Shelter Island Sherman Heights Skyline Solana Beach Sorrento Valley Southcrest South Park Southwestern College Spring Valley Stockton Talmadge Temecula Tierrasanta Tijuana UCSD University City University Heights USD Valencia Park Valley Center Vista Warner Springs

The Disobedient Father

A renegade priest who has refused to give up his Rosarito Beach parish says he has filed a criminal complaint of robbery against the archbishop of Tijuana, the Tijuana daily Frontera reports.

Father Raymundo Figueroa told the newspaper that personnel from the archdiocese — with the help of Rosarito Beach police officers — entered the grounds of Santísimo Sacramento parish sometime last week and removed computers, documents, and, “presumptively,” cash. The Frontera report did not mention exactly when the police raid occurred, but a press release from the archdiocese said the encounter occurred on June 18.

The incident is the latest confrontation in a battle between Tijuana archbishop Rafael Romo Muñoz and Figueroa, identified by the newspaper as “the disobedient father.” In November 2009, Romo and a group of priests were turned away by parishioners when they tried to reclaim the parish after the archbishop had transferred Figueroa. The priest has refused to leave the parish, even though Romo has assigned Fr. Carlos Santillán Ortega as the new pastor.

The archdiocesan news release noted that police officers and representatives of the archdiocese presented Figueroa with a civil court order telling him to turn over the parish to the archdiocese, “the legitimate owner” of the property. “The surrender of the property was not successful,” according to the archdiocesan statement. Figueroa, has been suspended from priestly ministry since April 30, and the archbishop has begun the process to return the priest to lay status. “Nevertheless, he continues to usurp the role of parish priest and continues the illegitimate possession of the property,” read the release.

Figueroa told Frontera he would not abandon the parish and that, when police and archdiocesan officials showed up, he began ringing the church’s bells to call parishioners. “A hundred faithful gathered on the parish patio to express their concern for what they considered an aggression against the Catholic community of Colonia Constitución and the priest,” the newspaper reported.

Here's something you might be interested in.
Submit a free classified
or view all

Previous article

San Diego Reader Fun issue

The Hobbit House in Ramona, Borrego's night skies, Love Thy Lucha, the Proctor Valley Monster, Greg Cox Bike Park, 60s musical at Carlsbad flower fields
Next Article

Zany artists surround drivers on Paseo de los Heroes

“Do we do it for the money? Of course. But it’s mainly for the fun, people’s reactions.”

A renegade priest who has refused to give up his Rosarito Beach parish says he has filed a criminal complaint of robbery against the archbishop of Tijuana, the Tijuana daily Frontera reports.

Father Raymundo Figueroa told the newspaper that personnel from the archdiocese — with the help of Rosarito Beach police officers — entered the grounds of Santísimo Sacramento parish sometime last week and removed computers, documents, and, “presumptively,” cash. The Frontera report did not mention exactly when the police raid occurred, but a press release from the archdiocese said the encounter occurred on June 18.

The incident is the latest confrontation in a battle between Tijuana archbishop Rafael Romo Muñoz and Figueroa, identified by the newspaper as “the disobedient father.” In November 2009, Romo and a group of priests were turned away by parishioners when they tried to reclaim the parish after the archbishop had transferred Figueroa. The priest has refused to leave the parish, even though Romo has assigned Fr. Carlos Santillán Ortega as the new pastor.

The archdiocesan news release noted that police officers and representatives of the archdiocese presented Figueroa with a civil court order telling him to turn over the parish to the archdiocese, “the legitimate owner” of the property. “The surrender of the property was not successful,” according to the archdiocesan statement. Figueroa, has been suspended from priestly ministry since April 30, and the archbishop has begun the process to return the priest to lay status. “Nevertheless, he continues to usurp the role of parish priest and continues the illegitimate possession of the property,” read the release.

Figueroa told Frontera he would not abandon the parish and that, when police and archdiocesan officials showed up, he began ringing the church’s bells to call parishioners. “A hundred faithful gathered on the parish patio to express their concern for what they considered an aggression against the Catholic community of Colonia Constitución and the priest,” the newspaper reported.

Sponsored
Here's something you might be interested in.
Submit a free classified
or view all
Previous article

Lakeside Community Presbyterian: Christ, connection and community

Working our way through a new vision
Next Article

No worries, Ataraxia Aleworks now pouring in Convoy district

A laid back vibe to go with beers from a Ballast Point vet
Comments
43

Wow, Bob, this story begs for a mountain of backstory. First, the collusion of cops and the church, which is questionable in accordance with the Mexican Constitution. But especiually as to exactly what Figueroa did to warrant the intervention of Romo. Comment here, or blog it. I'm not likely to get more from media sources in Tijuana or Rosarito.

June 22, 2010

wow...i'd like to hear more about this 2...as Refried said back story etc...if the parish is loyal to Father Figueroa i don't understand the reason he should be moved

please tell us more...anyone

June 22, 2010

"Crossing into the US to perform priestly duties for a fee." Some priests, if the allegation is true, have done far worse.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/21/local/la-me-priest21-2009dec21

June 22, 2010

Really interesting reading, thanks Grasca.

This is how the revolution begins.

June 22, 2010

Another charge against the Padre was holding Mass during swine flu season which violated orders from above.

http://secretummeummihi.blogspot.com/2009/05/la-influencia-influenza-porcina-cuando.html

June 22, 2010

The case against the priest according to the Archdiocese.

http://www.arquidiocesistijuana.org/rosarito2009/

June 22, 2010

Well, Father Figueroa is clearly in the wrong anyway you look at it. But he's got the support of 8000 parishioners. Who's going to win that fight, and at what cost?

Really interesting, thanks for posting this story, Bob, and thanks Grasca for your research.

June 22, 2010

No, there is something else. All Mexican Catholic churches charge fees for all ceremonies. All of them. Wedding, 1st Communion, Confirmation, everything. No idea about the U.S. (I was charged a hefty fee for the priest's wedding services there, otherwise no idea), but I know how the church operates here. My wife is Catholic, all of the children have been baptised/1st communion-ized/conformation-ized. Her sister was wed here. I was a part of all of those ceremonies and personally paid the Catholic church for the privilege. I would love for BOB to find out what the real reason is, everything that's being linked is nothing but speculative nonsense, dogma, or propaganda.

What's really going on is that the priest used the money he made in the U.S. for his own parish rather than to GIVE it to the Archdiocese. The Archdiocese are thieves and hypocrites. BOB, interview some of the parishioners. Bet me this isn't what's really going on.

June 22, 2010

The only official charge for the RCC in the US involves Pre Cana training. I assume that things are not that different in TJ where a person can donate something to the RCC or priest for performing a ceremony. Now that the RCC have mass baptisms in US I am sure no can be nicked for a donation for this rite of passage. Do the TJ RCCs have mass baptisms ?

June 22, 2010

I did not pay for my child to be baptized. I gave a donation. When I have arranged for funeral Masses for members of my family, I gave a donation. No one demanded money. As I recall, when my children's grandmother was dying, I specifically asked the priest who came how much should be given and he emphatically denied there was a fee; we put money in an envelope and he took it, as a donation.

June 22, 2010

"I assume that things are not that different in TJ..."

You assume incorrectly. "Donations" for services by the Catholic church are mandatory here, )and at weddings in the U.S. as well, including my own). Mass ceremonies in Tijuana still require a "mandatory donation". This is how the Catholic church has done things for a hundred years here. I am not a Catholic, yet, if I wanted to marry my wife in a Catholic Church in Mexico, I could pay the church money and they would look the other way at my lack of ever having been baptised, never having taken communion, never having confessed to a priest, and so on.

The Archdiosese does not want this priest tossed out of his church for doing what all priests in Mexico do, which is to gather as much money as they can in order to better their own churches. The Archdiosese simply want their cut, probably much more than the priest wanted to offer because he felt obligated to his own parish. I would rather hear from BOB, who actually lives near Rosarito, and has for quite some time. I would very much be interested in BOB interviewing some of the parish with my opinion about what is really going on in mind. BOB very much understands how Mexico and Baja are.

June 22, 2010

I guess all of the articles which were written by legitimate journalists are easy to dismiss. In the Middle Ages dispensations were sold so if these customs in TJ are factual, the RCC is only continuing ancient traditions. Again do we have a video to prove that RCC priests demand money for performing their priestly duties ? There must be a hungry reporter somewhere who will go undercover, crash a wedding, First Communion, or funeral and come back with the evidence in exchange for a paid article in some publication.

June 22, 2010

It never bothers me when people do not believe what is said about how Mexico runs. Most are completely ignorant, yet enjoy commenting and telling others that know better how wrong these people are about Mexico. When one who knows explains that priests and judges are easily paid to perform certain services, these people demand proof; and demand that for fifty dollars, one would risk imprisonment or worse to provide that proof. It is a sense of entitlement by many who are often entitled by their own corrupt lives, or their misplaced alliances. It is the epic definition of irony. Sometimes it is the same people that act this way who would disrespect a soldier in order to qualify their own political ideology, another irony since the soldiers give their lives for such freedom of expression.

June 22, 2010

Bringing a camera or video recorder into a church is against the law in Mexico. Without permission, the minimum is a fine and the maximum is imprisonment. It is also illegal to film the scene of a crime in Mexico without express permission of the authorities. It is also illegal to "go undercover". Judges can be bribed but the bribe will certainly cost much more than the story would pay.

June 23, 2010

Too bad the video rule was not applicable in certain instances here in the US especially for uninvited guests at private events. Strange and hard to believe if the everything else is negotiable and subject to a mordita in Mexico.

Has the rule also been lifted that a previously married person in RCC ceremony cannot remarry in the RCC unless the first marriage has been RCC officially annulled via the RCC ? Or can anyone bribe a priest to overlook any rules if the price is right ?

Strange if all of this is true in terms of the RCC rules in Mexico and the US. I thought we were talking about "one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church" if I recall the prayer correctly ? Rules are rules in any country if the Apostles Creed still holds.

June 23, 2010

No rules in Mexico, apparently.

It's a fascinating situation, Grasca, don't you think. A priest in Mexico sells Sacraments in the US to take money back to his church and build it up, therefore gaining a huge following. (BTW, taking Holy Communion or Confirmation without the lessons make the Sacraments essentially worthless.) He is encouraging Catholics to break faith with the Church by selling Sacraments, breaks his vow of obedience, turns his parishioners against the Church. I mean, this is sacrilege of the highest order.

June 23, 2010

My question is what constitutes an "expert" in these matters ? Do you need to live in Mexico, be a Mexican, and a member of RCC or can anyone have an opinion or information and share it ? The continuing efforts on the part of some to curtail discussion on the thread is humorous. I gather that 2 Americans who live in Mexico (Bob and the other person) are the only experts on a situation which has been exposed and written about in the American press ?

June 23, 2010

In a way the padre is as insubordinate as General McCrystal.

June 23, 2010

I like General McChrystal!!! Or at least I like the aide that called Biden "Bite Me!" :)

June 23, 2010

McCrystal has a big problem when it comes to authority just as Generals MacArthur and Patton did. Some retired generals are calling for him resignation or firing which amazes me. The White House meeting (all 20 mintues) is over and no news has been released as to McCrystal's fate. The RCC and the military are similar in their structure. I am betting that a lowly padre will not prevail when it comes to a contest of wills between him and the Archbishop no matter now many parishioners support the padre. Just for the record I am not in the military so maybe I should not comment ?

June 23, 2010

Obama is weak; McChrystal is a dead duck; this is bad news.

June 23, 2010

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/world/asia/w24sanger.html

Interesting perspective from the historical sense.

June 23, 2010

General McChrystal's background before The Maybe Fall.

Gen. McChrystal held a covert position as the head of Joint Special Operations Command, one of the most secretive forces in the U.S. military. Rumor has it that he was never photographed as JSOP Commander and even had his name and phone number deleted from most Pentagon directories. Now the General has made the cover of Rolling Stone and probably wishes that he was back in the shadows.

June 23, 2010

thx so much Grasca...ur the best!!!

maybe i'll go down and support Father Figueroa who seems to me a true protector and keeper of his flock

i will read more later

and right on Refried!!!

this is a story that deserves some REAL journalistic investigation

may we all learn more soon

June 23, 2010

i bet he only asks for offerings...that's a lot different then selling sacraments

June 23, 2010

don't get me started on the Roman Catholic Church....yikes!!!!!!!

June 23, 2010

$180 and what it might buy you from an RCC padre. It sures seems like chump change compared to the large RCC settlements in the news to compensate victims of priestly pedophiles.

http://trueslant.com/lillyfowler/2009/12/26/a-page-out-of-the-middle-ages-selling-sacraments/

June 23, 2010

Why not start on the RCC ? It could occupy a life time of commentary. But only RCs can contribute to the thread. My rules. Ha Ha Ha.

June 23, 2010

He only asked for offerings? Odd that the "offering" asked for was the same price in each case, then. And again, the point is that "fast-track" Sacraments void the purpose of the Sacrament, not to mention holding certain ceremonies outside of the Church voids the Sacrament itself. That is the wrong deed, ultimately.

June 23, 2010

Wouldn't the sacrament still be valid even if a price was set for performing it ? I thought only a priest removed from his Holy Orders could not perform a valid sacrament. Where is Bob with the juicy details ?

June 23, 2010

There is some contradictory information in your posted links. One said that the Sacraments would be valid, another said that the locations might invalidate the Sacrament, and my guess is that a third mitigating factor would be if it can be proven that the Sacrament was sold. I suspect it will be a case by case situation with many of these ceremonies, but that most, if not all, of the Sacraments will be held valid in the end.

June 23, 2010

McChrystal is out, Petraeus is taking over in Afghanistan.

June 23, 2010

If the priest has not been removed from Holy Orders, the sacraments would be valid as far I understand.

June 23, 2010

See section in link about leaving the priesthood. It would seem to be a matter of Canon Law. We might be confusing a reprimand/suspension with something more serious. Still a priest is supposed to be obedient to his archbishop. This padre has crossed the line in more than one way assuming the reported behaviors are accurate.

http://www.paulturner.org/priesthood.htm

June 23, 2010

in spite of all the barrage ballooning here...and i didn't realize it was in fact a set fee of $180...i still have mixed feelings about this priest...who he is as a soul who had the best interest of the growth of his church involved

what he was doing according to canon laws was unacceptable...even tho i doubt any arm twisting of those who received those fast tracked sacraments was involved

such a strange crime...if it could be considered one....it wasn't robbery...and only obscure 11th century Catholicism has any written accounts of the view of such practices

and what kind of sanctions should be taken against this priest...i find it very hard to take sides on this one...a no harm no foul crime that only exist in the eyes of the Catholic Church

by the way...i'm an ex Catholic

June 23, 2010

There are priests who have done far worse things that are still dispensing the sacraments. Unless there is a lot more to this story, the Archbishop's actions seems extreme but then you have to keep the troops in line.

Legal to post under my rules RCs only ex or otherwise.

June 23, 2010

thx Grasca...exes usually don't get treated quite so well;-)

here's a tidbit for u to sharpen ur teeth on

someone i know (catholic)after a few years of being divorced (with 3 kids) fast tracked a Catholic annulment in order to NOT be written out of her fathers will

money was involved...but the pope got that....hahahahahahahahaha

and i don't think he could be replaced quite so easily

June 23, 2010

I have an RC friend who was married and divorced 2x but none of the weddings were in the RCC. So we laugh and know that in the eyes of the RCC she is still a virgin. Lots of hanky panky always occurred with those pesky RCC annulments starting with Jackie O's baby sister, Lee Radziwill. Strings were pulled and maybe money changed hands to make this annulment happen. Same old, same old RCC. The nuns from OLP would be shocked.

June 23, 2010

i am not a priest but would gladly help ya get a ticket to heaven tis an easy thing just ask jesus for forgiveness from the depth of your heart

June 23, 2010

All this commentary reminds me of why I stopped paying any attention to the church when I was a young teenager, and then never looked back.

June 23, 2010

OLP...Grasca...i went to High School there for a year...i was a boarder..

June 24, 2010

Villa Montemar. Beautiful grounds and buildings back in the day when I was there. The North Terrace had its own special charm with the Grecian style pool and the mysterious parlors located in the estate's two story former home. I recall a tower in the music building and jacarandas gracing a front patio. Rose gardens too. The pink marble chapel was over the top even for an RCC girls' school. Such innocent times for the students and the world.

June 24, 2010

Sign in to comment

Sign in

Art Reviews — W.S. Di Piero's eye on exhibits Ask a Hipster — Advice you didn't know you needed Best Buys — San Diego shopping Big Screen — Movie commentary Blurt — Music's inside track Booze News — San Diego spirits City Lights — News and politics Classical Music — Immortal beauty Classifieds — Free and easy Cover Stories — Front-page features Excerpts — Literary and spiritual excerpts Famous Former Neighbors — Next-door celebs Feast! — Food & drink reviews Feature Stories — Local news & stories From the Archives — Spotlight on the past Golden Dreams — Talk of the town Here's the Deal — Chad Deal's watering holes Just Announced — The scoop on shows Letters — Our inbox [email protected] — Local movie buffs share favorites Movie Reviews — Our critics' picks and pans Musician Interviews — Up close with local artists Neighborhood News from Stringers — Hyperlocal news News Ticker — News & politics Obermeyer — San Diego politics illustrated Of Note — Concert picks Out & About — What's Happening Overheard in San Diego — Eavesdropping illustrated Poetry — The old and the new Pour Over — Grab a cup Reader Travel — Travel section built by travelers Reading — The hunt for intellectuals Roam-O-Rama — SoCal's best hiking/biking trails San Diego Beer — Inside San Diego suds SD on the QT — Almost factual news Drinks All Around — Bartenders' drink recipes Sheep and Goats — Places of worship Special Issues — The best of Sports — Athletics without gush Street Style — San Diego streets have style Suit Up — Fashion tips for dudes Theater Reviews — Local productions Theater antireviews — Narrow your search Tin Fork — Silver spoon alternative Under the Radar — Matt Potter's undercover work Unforgettable — Long-ago San Diego Unreal Estate — San Diego's priciest pads Waterfront — All things ocean Your Week — Daily event picks
4S Ranch Allied Gardens Alpine Baja Balboa Park Bankers Hill Barrio Logan Bay Ho Bay Park Black Mountain Ranch Blossom Valley Bonita Bonsall Borrego Springs Boulevard Campo Cardiff-by-the-Sea Carlsbad Carmel Mountain Carmel Valley Chollas View Chula Vista City College City Heights Clairemont College Area Coronado CSU San Marcos Cuyamaca College Del Cerro Del Mar Descanso Downtown San Diego Eastlake East Village El Cajon Emerald Hills Encanto Encinitas Escondido Fallbrook Fletcher Hills Golden Hill Grant Hill Grantville Grossmont College Guatay Harbor Island Hillcrest Imperial Beach Imperial Valley Jacumba Jamacha-Lomita Jamul Julian Kearny Mesa Kensington La Jolla Lakeside La Mesa Lemon Grove Leucadia Liberty Station Lincoln Acres Lincoln Park Linda Vista Little Italy Logan Heights Mesa College Midway District MiraCosta College Miramar Miramar College Mira Mesa Mission Beach Mission Hills Mission Valley Mountain View Mount Hope Mount Laguna National City Nestor Normal Heights North Park Oak Park Ocean Beach Oceanside Old Town Otay Mesa Pacific Beach Pala Palomar College Palomar Mountain Paradise Hills Pauma Valley Pine Valley Point Loma Point Loma Nazarene Potrero Poway Rainbow Ramona Rancho Bernardo Rancho Penasquitos Rancho San Diego Rancho Santa Fe Rolando San Carlos San Marcos San Onofre Santa Ysabel Santee San Ysidro Scripps Ranch SDSU Serra Mesa Shelltown Shelter Island Sherman Heights Skyline Solana Beach Sorrento Valley Southcrest South Park Southwestern College Spring Valley Stockton Talmadge Temecula Tierrasanta Tijuana UCSD University City University Heights USD Valencia Park Valley Center Vista Warner Springs
Close