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I was at House of Blues tonight watching Louis XIV and Transfer (two great local bands).

Between sets, a DJ was playing old skool hip-hop. You know the tunes...Tone Loc, down with OPP, cars that go boom, etc.

Tina said sarcastically "I love watching white people dance." I glance over, and see a couple dancing. Her and I then had a debate about that comment. I brought up the fact that I've seen some African-Americans dance like they're having an epileptic attack. I've seen some Caucasians that can dance very well. Sure, President Bush looked idiotic dancing with that tribe last year. And, Obama looked pretty smooth dancing on Ellens show the other day. But that's not the point.

It bothers me that everyone can say "white people look ridiculous on the dance floor." Or, a movie can be titled "White Men Can't Jump." Seriously, where was the outrage from Jessie Jackson, or anyone for that matter, when that came out? Jackson should've been saying that statements and stereotypes like that he's against. Oh, I'm sure he would've been out in full force if a film called "Black Men Can't Swim," Or "Black Men Get Lower Test Scores," came out.

Either we can all make those statements and observations, or nobody can.

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Well its all about positive discrimination isn't it? At the same it helps to create a divide and even more animosity between races. People need to wake up and thrash the media and politicians. Its like communist Russia, we all know its bulls**t but go along with it anyway.

Oct. 31, 2007

It's fascinating... I happen to be the "Tina" that Josh wrote about in this blog. I'm white. I noticed that detail wasn't included in this posting... I made the comment while watching two people who were EXTREMELY rhythmically challenged trying to grind up on each other. It was funny to me... I do feel however, if it were someone of a different race, I would have simply stated that "I love watching people try to dance". Safety commenting on my own race? Maybe. Huge political statement while I am enjoying a concert? Definitely not.

Nov. 1, 2007

Sorry about all this Tina. I did not, in any way, want to imply that you were "racist". In fact, I'd be willing to bet most people (of any race), feel that same way. I just used it as a springboard into the topic. That a comedian like Chris Rock can get up and say that. They did a Seinfeld on that subject, with Elaine being a horrible dancer. But, if anyone said somebody that was black couldn't do something, like, "Have you ever heard black people speak? They misprounce a lot of words," you'd probably be fired. And, I'm not talking about idiots like Rush Limbaugh or Don Imus. I'm talking more about the sports casters that sometimes get fired, for making observations about differences in race (ie Jimmy the Greek, going back 20 or so years). Now, someones argument to THAT statement would be, "Not all black people talk that way. Listen to Oprah, Denzel, or Condeleeza." At which point, I would wonder, why nobody brings up good white dancers (why is Fred Astaire the only name popping into my head?) Or, I might wonder, why black people have names lke Oprah, Denzel, Condeleeze, Shaquille, Shaniqua, etc. But, making an observation like that, would probably get one fired. Even though, in the recent best seller "Freakanomics", they say having a name like that, makes it harder to get a job, or be accepted into society. And, it's a topic worthy of discussion. But everyone has to walk on egg shells when discussing race. Except, as I pointed out, when it comes to making fun of whites.

Nov. 2, 2007

I completely agree with the race issue that Josh brings up. I can't stand seeing people displaying their ethnic pride on their car. I know for a fact that if I were to join them and display that I am proud to be white with a "White Pride" sticker on my car I would be ambushed. At the very least my car would sustain damage at the hands of someone who is equally proud of their ethnicity. Why is it okay for other races to display their ethnic pride but it is seen as racist if a white person does the exact same thing?

Nov. 2, 2007

Well, I don't agree with that. Here's the thing. I have no problem with people showing their pride on their car. I have no problem with Christians and their fish. Or people with the Darwin fish. I would like to think, that someone wouldn't have a Confederate flag, because of the negative that's sometimes implied with it. And, I always think you should respect how things will look to others. Not that you should have to cater and be politically correct all the time. But you should at least wonder how things will look and sound to others.

I have no problem with February being "black history month". I think that's great, and lots can be learned. If someone wants "pride", well, what would "white" mean? Are you proud of Ireland? Are you Irish? Are you having "European" pride? And, "white pride" and phrases like that, just sound so "skin head/kkk". I have NO PROBLEM with people showing pride in their ancestory. The ONLY THING I have a problem with, is making fun of some races, and not others. Either it's all open to discuss, or none of it is.

Nov. 3, 2007

I don't get what you are disagreeing about. We are saying the same thing. Either it is okay for everyone to be ethnically proud or no one. I see that even you have fallen prey to the notion that White Pride is racist. To use your argument, what does Native Pride mean then? Are they proud to be Cherokee, or Sioux, or Navajo, or Blackfoot, or any one of the other Indian nations? Are the Latins proud to be Chicano, or Mexican, or Hispanic, or Puerto Rican, or Spanish, or Cuban or any other Latin background? Every ethnicity has numerous others that fit under the broader category as I just pointed out. You just pointed out some of the ones that fit under White Pride but you must see that one can do that with all ethnicities. The example you gave in finding fault with my point is flawed. Follow the thought process all the way through.

Nov. 3, 2007

That, is a very good point, that I hadn't thought about.

Nov. 4, 2007

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