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Don't Tase Me, Sonny!

Well said, refried. Uh, yes, Josh, I am soooo part of the problem. (?) And again, I did not mean to bring up drinking on the beach. I meant only for you to recognize similarities of your own rhetoric in Burwell's hate-filled, violent nonsense. I once worked with young adults who had a variety of developmental disabilities, and was injured a couple of times dealing with a young man who would suddenly and violently strike out at his caretakers and teachers. Of necessity I took a day long training course on physical self-defense, when dealing specifically with people with developmental disabilities. I believe some of these might appropriately be extended to treatment of the elderly. I could not reproduce any of these moves now--over 15 years later--but we learned there are plenty of clever ways to disarm a person physically without harming them--and WITHOUT tasing or macing them. There are places on the body upon which pressure can be applied with precision, and there are ways to swiftly bring someone to the ground or restrain them without hurting them. Apparently, you have not considered the possibility of giving an elderly person a heart attack with a taser, or serious eye damage and undue pain with mace. They are a fragile population, and need to be dealt with differently than a healthy perp of normal reflexes and muscle tone. And lord forbid we learn to take a moment and use some psychology--some TALK before action to try and reason with an elderly person. "M'am, why don't we sit down here, and talk for a moment. Are you thirsty? Cold? Here, take my jacket. Let's talk this out."
— June 13, 2009 3:56 p.m.

Don't Tase Me, Sonny!

Josh wrote: "That being said, if a drunk gets out of line, I think the cops should tase, mace, or shoot...if that's what it takes to get him/her under control." Uh, Josh, I think you need to read Burwell's comments again--clearly, I did not mean to start a discussion about drinking at the beach. He is all for the kind of police state you seem to support. You know, mandatory breathalizers upon exiting bars, and senseless beatings, tazing, shootings all around. Josh wrote: "I know that logic can be harsh, but really...old people can't just run around like space cadets." WTF does any of this mean? Logic can be harsh? I don't see where you employ a traceable logical argument. The elderly have poor reflexes, and unarmed, are not generally considered to be such a threat. You support violent physical action being taken against people who are handicapped in some way, again and again--why? Is it testosterone overload? Do you, like Burwell, have some kind of righteous fetish for violence? Josh wrote: "And, just to further explain myself. I'm not saying I would've necessarily tased her at that point. I just thinking this officer can't possibly be in the wrong for doing it." Can't possibly be in the wrong for doing it? Just want to make sure you're clear on what you are saying. No, I am not uniformly critical of "the man," I just don't blindly and enthusiastically support any and all measures taken to subdue an unruly citizen, without taking into consideration the specifics of each confrontation--and I don't assume that the same approaches for subduing an individual are always appropriate. Cops are not gods. As you yourself have occasionally admitted--they can make mistakes. I'll add that sudden bursts of adrenaline can screw up the best of intentions. Your fallback retorts run along the lines of 'you are not in touch with reality,' 'watch too many movies,' and 'life is not like an afterschool special,' etc. But it seems that really, Josh, you are the one watching 'reality' cop shows, and having violent law enforcement fantasies. You can support law enforcement and still be a concerned citizen when it comes to brutality and bad judgement.
— June 12, 2009 11:10 p.m.

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