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UCSD's Gary Jacobson frets about polarization
"I will NEVER march for the right to hate another citizen of my country." Your boots are on, and you've been walking (or at least talking) for a while. Now look around and see who your companions are.— October 16, 2009 4:36 p.m.
UCSD's Gary Jacobson frets about polarization
Oh, forgot to respond to: #66: “AG-The"civilized"world isn't America. I hate to say it because I really do like what you contribute to our discussions but if you hate America so much and love to sing the praises of Europe,go over there! Then you'll have your utopia and you'll get a glimpse of what it's like living in a not-so-free country.” Have you ever lived in another country, Pete? Ever even been out of this one? This reminds me of when you condemned Hawaii as an “overrated meth island,” then admitted that you had never actually been there! You have a nasty habit of judging places and people of which and whom you have zero knowledge and experience. From your posts on whole, you appear to be a product of good, old-fashioned sound bite media of lazy nonconclusions, and have gotten off your ass long enough only to google a few arguments that you think will support your frequent habit of slinging hate speech at others.— October 16, 2009 4:12 p.m.
UCSD's Gary Jacobson frets about polarization
I do not want to “squelch” your words, however ugly they are, Pete. As stated, I have never reported a single posting on this site as inappropriate, and I have not proposed that you be muzzled, though at times, when your speech gets to the point of inciting violence or promising violence against another person, it probably should (e.g. your threat to kill and bury another poster in the desert if she keyed your car). We shouldn’t be debating this issue? Why not? I thought freedom of debate was a “uniquely” American practice, in your opinion, and attempting to debating this particular issue by pushing your hate speech in others’ faces is pretty much all you do—unless you are willing to admit here and now that you do it for the sheer pleasure of attempting to hurt others, and that it isn’t politically motivated after all? So anyone who wants to change a law is a hatemonger, and hates the US? Again, where’s your antithesis, Pete? It’s a simple form of argument: you make a premise or thesis, then offer an antithesis, then make a conclusion. That allows others to respond to what we like to call the logical substance of your arguments. I find it immensely amusing that PistolPete has quoted Judith Butler. Pete, do you even know who Judith Butler is? I find it also amusing (in a very sad way, actually) that you are now trying to bring up context as an issue. You, who would continually deny that historical context is valid or even existent, when throwing around your racially and gender-motivated slurs and epithets. You, who believes you can all by your lonesome, create a dictatorship of exactly how your words should be taken at any given moment, and completely control the social ramifications of your hate speech (a “fag” is a cigarette, for example). It is interesting that in the United State of PistolPete words have just the meaning that PistolPete decides, and he alone has the power to defuse or infuse them with meaning and context. Me? I prefer to admit that I cannot control the signification of my words; they will be interpreted variously by others—this is the beauty as well as the bane of language, and this is one important fact to consider when using it. You cannot erase hundreds of years of history behind the words you use, Pete. You can only choose—and yes, you do have the power to choose—to use your words more wisely.— October 16, 2009 3:49 p.m.
He Was a Man
Uh, follow the first link, gentlemen, rather than wondering. There are multiple pictures of Mr. Williams' head--a horrible violation of his final wishes...— October 16, 2009 3:17 p.m.
UCSD's Gary Jacobson frets about polarization
Thanks to gardenparty and antigeekess for the information. I'm saving all of it in a nice neat document for future reference. As for PistolPete in #78: "You may not have said that you'd want hatespeech criminalized but in my eyes,educating people is the same thing... People who hate this country(SD & AG)will try to change it to their definition of morality" What is there to say to this kind of hate rhetoric? The problem is that it just doesn't open constructive dialogue. Education about hate is the same thing as criminalizing hatespeech? Where's your antithesis? SD and AG "hate" this country? For an "independent thinker," Pete, you sure sound like a very typical, irrational hate monger to me.— October 16, 2009 3:12 p.m.
A Fairy Tale for S(wine Flu) Daniels
Err, in response: Why are there so many songs about rainbows?... :)— October 16, 2009 3:05 p.m.
A Fairy Tale for S(wine Flu) Daniels
This reads like a possible future: for the record, I will NEVER be blonde, have not yet had the cosmetic surgery of my dreams, and only wish I were as productive as Miss Piggy (modeling and writing) here :) However, "Swine flu" Daniels has some kind of ring to it. I stress "some." :) Love ya, AG *kisses, hugs, and smooches for good measure*— October 16, 2009 2:19 p.m.
UCSD's Gary Jacobson frets about polarization
Oh yes, and my main point: If speech can be seen to incite, or appears clearly capable of inciting violence, then it should be censored in some measure. In exactly what measure, I'm not sure, and would be interested in hearing opinions on this matter.— October 16, 2009 2:12 p.m.
UCSD's Gary Jacobson frets about polarization
I still think Pete has a right to say any of the things I've quoted above, and am not sure why he keeps harping that I and antigeekess would "criminalize" hatespeech, or restrict a citizen's right to speak. What I've proposed is a more comprehensive education in this country, teaching the basics of logical argument as well as the language and philosophy of racial and gender inclusivity. I have stated that people should use a sense of decency when communicating with others; that is a far cry from proposing legislation.— October 16, 2009 1:58 p.m.
UCSD's Gary Jacobson frets about polarization
Random PP Quotations (yes, taken out of context, but I can provide the links for anyone who wishes to see the full series of exchanges for each of these): Don't get me started on all the Mexicant's who wave their flag so proudly while thumbing their noses at the government who support their lazy a$$es. If I was therealstoryteller's ex-BF and she keyed my car because I cheated on her,I'd pissed but I would bury her in the desert. therealstoryteller said she TRASHED his car. HUGE difference. Keying a car means a new paint job. Think of the movie Christine when Buddy Repperton TRASHED Arnie's car. That's what she implied. I'm not mysogynistic. I just have a pair of balls and I'm not afraid to not put up with women's head games. I'm not racist either. I treat people the way I see they deserve to be treated. And SDaniels,before you go judging me,there was a perfectly good reason why I robbed that Hardee's at knifepoint(I've never held a gun and I don't want to). Fred was dead on. He was smart enough to understand the point that obviously didn't penetrate that feminism shield you call a skull. I love my sex,drugs & rock'n'roll. It's what keeps me from going postal on all the *AHEM*....IQ challenged individuals. Without these three things,I'd probably be picking off strangers from a tower on a college campus somewhere in Texas...... And for those offended by my use of the word gay,F**K OFF AND GET A LIFE! It offends me to see fatf**ks eating cheeseburgers(even though I am one). I LOVE non-smokers who bring up the fact that they're paying higher insurance premiums because of us smokers. Those are the people I just want to go up to and kick their infant down the block. Now she wants everybody to not use the word retard because she decided to breed one? F**k that bulls**t. I'll say what I want,to who I want whenever I want and consequences be damned. -A WORD. Nothing more. Nothing less. I refuse to give ANY words in our lexicon some sort of ritualistic power. It's a word. Ni&&er,g00k,spic,f@g,wop,cameljockey,polak,redskin. All letters typed on a screen. I see her point but I'm not buying it. A ni&&er is a bundle of sticks,a f@g is a cigarette and a retard is a person born without normal reasoning and intelligence. Save a doughnut,kill a cop. They have a job and I can respect that. But if they get shot and killed,I'm going to drink a beer. The day Dan Bessant was murdered,I drank a 6-pack.— October 16, 2009 1:53 p.m.