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SDaniels: A group of people involved in the adult entertainment industry that are local to San Diego. all about them... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sdaeinc/— September 2, 2009 2:14 a.m.
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What do you think the Internet is here for? Without anonymous flaming it's no fun-and you're an easy target. By SurfPuppy619 I actually agree with you. Haha. Cheers. -MPG— September 1, 2009 10:40 p.m.
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SurfPuppy619 wrote even more foolishness: "As for you comments that my experiences with the highly professional stripper contingent are "hearsay", go back to law school and figure out what an admission by a party opponent is (hearsay exempted)." Great, so you admit it yourself. Plead the 5th next...plead insanity. I'm not sure why you think admission by party opponent actually works for you favorably. You're basically implying that you have been officially appointed to speak on behalf of someone...in this case, a stripper. Someone bamboozled you with illusions of grandeur and you fell for it. I don't blame you for not knowing how it all really works. The money has been and always will be inconsistent. If a dancer tells you she makes thousands of dollars every night and you believe her you both must be smoking some great stuff. You're just basing your ideas about the sex industry from your own personal experiences...maybe even as a customer or a stripper's mark. In that case, what you say makes absolute sense. I'm sure mass media misconceptions..yellow journalism...howard stern...have all contributed in your skewed perspective on the matter. I'm new here and I guess I hadn't realized this forum meant so much to someone. I'm just passing through, no need for flaming or territorial pissings...sorry for contributing, sincerely. I ran across this story on the front of my local section of yahoo news and thought I'd contribute my insights. I'm well aware that some people would be skeptical and that's fine. Anyone seriously interested in learning about San Diego's sex industry can attend the SDAEINC meetings every Wednesday night of the week from 7-11pm at the Bullpen (next to Cheetahs!). You can contact me at [email protected] if you'd like my take on anything.— September 1, 2009 6:26 p.m.
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SurfPuppy619: "This particular gym was the only real gym in town back in the 80's, and virtually every bouncer from EVERY club in the San Diego coastal area worked out there-and a very high percentage of the strippers did too because all those strip joints are on Midway/Rosecrans. So I knew the whole crowd." Look, you don't have to believe me but I think it's hilarious that you're assuming the industry is the same as it was back then. It is 2009. I don't know what portion of the 80's you're speaking about...but using figures from 20 years ago...through hearsay...as evidence and thinking it still applies? Maybe the surfpup's style should be a little more researched...or maybe that simply is not the surfpup's style. I am now out of the industry and relieved to be. It wasn't the wild and crazy life I thought it would be. It was fairly normal, actually. Maybe seeing the detrimental aspects of fast living helped to keep me stable. P.S. I never advocated that anyone NOT seek psychological help. On the contrary, if you're a dancer, I highly suggest you see a therapist. Over time, the job will impact you pathologically.— September 1, 2009 3:09 a.m.
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SDaniels wrote: "MrGreaser, and refried, if you can answer: What do you think of investor1's figures on this business venture?" Well, now that I've been outed as a "phony" you may not want my opinion. But in either case, the club I ran here in San Diego didn't even gross 1 million dollars a year...850,000 is closer. But when you consider that a fully nude establishment (juice bar) has very little overhead then the venture makes a little more sense. There are only a couple clubs in San Diego that make millions a year...2-3 million approx. San Diego region ranks 6th in the nation in profitability for gentleman's clubs. It currently costs a personal entertainer about 480 dollars to get her license in San Diego. That is twice as much as it was 2 years ago. The fees include business tax certificate, application/license fees, and livescan (state fingerprint background check). That puts San Diego pretty much at the top of the list for most expensive places do business as a personal entertainer. The club takes 35% percent of the dances as well. By law, she is not obligated to tip anyone out, however, it is customary and things don't usually bode well for a dancer who doesn't take care of the dj and the bouncer. 10% tip out was expected by staff...managers at my club were not allowed to receive tips...corporate policy...which sucked for me since I was making more as a regular staff member and working less hours. Common perception would be "Well, at least you're surrounded by hot girls and getting laid all the time." When you're working, you're WORKING. If you're messing around and not producing, you're fired. Trust me, when you work in that environment and you get closer to people everything becomes static...wallpaper...few things catch your attention. The last year and a half I worked there I rarely saw a stage set.— September 1, 2009 3:08 a.m.
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Ehhh. $100 dollars for 15 minutes at the Deja Vu clubs...15 ridiculous minutes of teasing. I think the people that get these rooms think they're going to get more bang for their buck. Some people just like feeling like a VIP. Frankly, over half the time I watched the cameras the only thing that was going on between a dancer and her patron was conversation...no contact...sitting side by side just talking. Good luck finding a champagne room within San Diego city limits where there will be any "popping." Vice likes to make frequent appearances at the clubs within San Diego city limits, their jurisdiction. The clubs know this, the dancers know this, and the patrons are made aware. The Deja Vu clubs have an insane amount of security cameras at each location and for good reason...not to mention round the clock outside surveillance of all the clubs. They are very strict on the conduct of their staff and personal entertainers. There just isn't enough money involved to take the risk of having a pandering charge on your permanent record...the one that will follow you everywhere for the rest of your life and fines that literally run in the thousands to the tens of thousands...for both the dancer and the club. Everyone can be arrested....dancer, security, managers. It makes more fiscal sense to play by the rules in San Diego. A club will be closed if it is found to be a brothel and can lose its license if it is even suspected to be one...such as was the case in the recent past with Club Expose on Miramar Rd. All it took was one girl to ruin it for everyone. The original owner was forced out...The club was converted to Club V. The club did not succeed and then again changed hands and turned into Goldfinger's. It makes more sense for a club in San Diego to be run legitimately. No sex in the champagne room. If this is what you're after in San Diego...you will be extremely disappointed. There is one club in San Diego (Lemon Grove, outside of city limits) where you will never see vice. Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and San Francisco play by their own set of rules. They are typically much less regulated as law enforcement tend to have their hands full with other more important issues.— August 31, 2009 1:49 a.m.
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"Because, of course, one leads to the other. This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Nothing personal, but it's funny as hell." By refriedgringo And I completely agree. It is very comical. I'll even give you more ammunition. I also toured the world in a Christian band proselytizing to the unbeliever. Trust me...no one finds my life funnier than I do. With the strip club thing...my friend was the GM and needed someone....real estate finance crumbled and so did many investments...so I said, "Why not? Just another thing to say I did in this world." But, I got burned out. My conscience finally caught up to me. I could no longer endure the glitz and the crap pay. Managers for the Deja Vu chain work long hours (60-70) and are lucky if they make 35k a year.— August 30, 2009 6:28 p.m.
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"err.....yeah...right. Mr. Psycho, time to get back to the "therapist"." By SurfPuppy619 I think you meant "the rapist." When you work at one of these clubs it's kinda like being the wizard of oz. Behind the curtain there is no magic and you see everything for what it really is...an act. Everyone of us puts on a hat when we wake up in the morning...we all have different hats that we wear throughout the day. The majority of us play different roles which we have to play in order to the pay the bills...and yet, the roles we play are nothing like what we naturally are when we're at home with our friend and families. It is a hasty generalization to think that everyone of these girls has a psychological disorder. There is no doubt that this indeed is a drug/alcohol induced industry though not everyone in it concedes to the drugs and alcohol. What these girls do takes a really big toll on their bodies. They are wearing 6 inch plus stiletto heals for 6-8 hours a day and slamming down hard on their knees. This leads to all kinds of physical problems....back, neck, leg..etc. Popping a vicodin will keep them going...maybe some xanax to get rid of the anxiety of talking to the construction worker who's been working with fiberglass all day and didn't bother to brush it off his clothes. Maybe a shot of vodka will help so that they can get a dance from that fresh cut marine boy that keeps asking them for their number. The money could be great, but most of the time it isn't. For the average girl to break 100,000 a year she would have to work 6-7 days a week. Of the 70 girls I worked with I only saw 4 or 5 that actually did this in the 2 years. They were the hustlers of the club taking their customers for everything they could. Most girls work 2-3 days a week at most because of the pain. Now for Yogurtland. The kids at my local Yogurtland tell me they sell pills because they can barely afford to live in San Diego and manage with tuition at SDSU. They hate their jobs but it's the only thing that revolves around their school schedules and provides them with some steady income. Oh yeah, but they must have psychological issues too...because we all know that everybody with a socially acceptable "job" stays away from drugs and alcohol and God forbid they see a therapist or seek treatment for an anxiety disorder. Coming from an incredibly lucrative background in finance prior to my stint in the adult entertainment industry I can say this...The people in San Diego with the best drugs and alcohol are the ones that are straight laced. I've never partied harder in my life than I did back in those days. This entire country has a much larger problem of addiction than we admit. See http://www.oas.samhsa.gov and read the numbers for yourselves.— August 30, 2009 4:03 p.m.
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People already have plenty of misconceptions about the sex industry and the people who work in it. This article briefly mentions that a patron walked into a club, failed to pay for something, and the police were called in to investigate. If someone had gone into Yogurtland and done the same thing...it probably wouldn't have been a featured article or even been a worthy mention. Oh, but mention a Topless Bar and use a stripper pole graphic to go along with the story...and voila...magic!!! Then come the people who know people and who have seen people that reinforce the misconceptions. So let me add to the misconceptions...since I've also known and seen people in the industry. I ran one of the Deja Vu Clubs in San Diego for close to two years. Some of what has been aforementioned is basically true...and some of it sounds like the typical banter you would expect from someone who watched the movie "Showgirls," and knows enough to carry a conversation long enough with someone else who has seen it. It's pretty comical reading people's reactions to a story like this one. Nobody commenting mentions there was a crime. It's just a stripclub and they're only there to steal your money...so it's ok to steal from them. Right? If you want an article that people would really be interested in...consider this storyline: My Daughter is a Stripper. Now, in that storyline you have the typical people you would imagine that endorse their daughter's decision...then you have those that don't...and furthermore, those who have no idea. I'd like to read that one. Hailing from the darkside myself, it was one of those things that intrigued me. P.S. The people in these clubs are no different from the people at Yogurtland. They are one in the same. They both carry different varieties and flavors...both have "whacked" out people working in them...and both charge a ridiculous amount of money for the things they sell.— August 30, 2009 10:56 a.m.
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People already have plenty of misconceptions about the sex industry and the people who work in it. This article briefly mentions that a patron walked into a club, failed to pay for something, and the police were called in to investigate. If someone had gone into Yogurtland and done the same thing...it probably wouldn't have been a featured article or even been a worthy mention. Oh, but mention a Topless Bar and use a stripper pole graphic to go along with the story...and voila...magic!!! Then come the people who know people and who have seen people that reinforce the misconceptions. So let me add to the misconceptions...since I've also known and seen people in the industry. I ran one of the Deja Vu Clubs in San Diego for close to two years. Some of what has been aforementioned a basically true...and some of it sounds like the typical banter you would expect from someone who watched the movie "Showgirls," and knows enough to carry a conversation long enough with someone else who has seen it. It's pretty comical reading people's reactions to a story like this one. Nobody commenting mentions there was a crime. It's just a stripclub and they're only there to steal your money...so it's ok to steal from them. Right? If you want an article that people would really be interested in...consider this storyline: My Daughter is a Stripper. Now, in that storyline you have the typical people you would imagine that endorse their daughter's decision...then you have those that don't...and furthermore, those who have no idea. I'd like to read that one. Hailing from the darkside myself, it was one of those things that intrigued me. P.S. The people in these clubs are no different from the people at Yogurtland. They are one in the same. They both carry different varieties and flavors...both have "whacked" out people working in them...and both charge a ridiculous amount of money for the things they sell.— August 30, 2009 10:53 a.m.