Shove them in people's faces? That never happened... That is a lie. You are a douche. You weren't even there! Stop trying to start s*** you lying fabricating gossip whore.
I love criticism and bad reviews... I feed on it like a black hole feeds on matter. Take this one:
http://www.examiner.com/x-22572-San-Diego-Indie-M…
This guy was at the awards show and did not care for our set one bit... not because of the pig heads, he thought our music was contrived and he even says he felt "robbed". Cool, that is his opinion and he is entitled to it because he was there to see it and form that opinion himself!
Josh nailed you on the head, You twist words to fit your angle ... "what's the angle" is what you kept saying to us when you did a write up on my group "known by nothing" blurt feb 22nd 2007, Mike Miller wasn't even there at the interview and you attributed my quotes to him. You quoted Richard as saying "the rap scene has started to get like karaoke" when his statement wasn't about the "rap scene" as you put it, it was about himself and how HE felt like HE was doing karaoke when HE would bring just a cd to do a show. The words "rap scene" were put in by you making it seem like we are bagging on everyone who raps to a cd... which is almost everyone in the "rap scene". The whole time your focus was on the fact that they (mike and richard) are white guys rapping and you wanted some stories of their struggles as white rappers to fit the angle you were spinning.
Fast forward to now... You do a write up about a show you weren't at, you find two people who have a problem with our set and the pigs heads, you call me at work and start asking me to respond to claims we're "cheesy" and "trying too hard"... You want conflict. If the singer of cattle decapitation disliked our set why doesn't he blog about it himself? in his own words, then I can take it as his criticism and not as your gossip... I don't like the Ken Leighton filter that was used, it's like brewing coffee with a filter made of bulls***.
I'm not complaining we're being mistreated and I don't mind negative feedback (like I said before, I like it.). I'm pointing out that you paraphrase and twist words to build an angle. I'm happy that the publisher of citybeat and two writers I respect joined in with me to call you out for being a shady douche hack (my words, not theirs) You have a bad reputation. There is a reason for that. Peace.
-Lee
and the fact we did something similar to Mayhem just makes us more metal... We'll take that. Keep those examples coming Ken. — September 30, 2009 2:23 p.m.
Dear Refriedgringo,
First, I really like your name. Second, My name is Lee and I play drums for "The burning of rome" www.theburningofrome.com is our website, check it out. Third, I'm far from the greatest musician ever... I'm a student of music and I always will be.
I wish that playing music was my "job", It is more like a passion or my main reason for living rather than a means to make a living. Most of the shows we play we don't get paid for (like the SDMA's)... but, I think that focusing on the money we might make is missing the point and has nothing to do with the type of show we put on at all.
We like playing dramatic and theatrical music and we try to put on a dramatic and theatrical show to go along with that.
Your "normal response" is probably true for some of us but not all of us, in reality we (the burning of rome) had different reasons for the same idea... just like everyone in the audience that saw the pig's heads came to their own conclusions. It's just a matter of opinion... You can't see why we would have pig's heads on stage and another person may think it's the greatest thing ever. We can't please everyone... so, we just do what we do and if people like it, good. If they don't, oh well.
Their are a lot of different reasons why we brought five pigs heads to the SDMA's... maybe, one day if we become friends I will let you in on them. until then, the reasons remain ours.
You asked if we can't just settle for a nice gentle backdrop, No. No, we can't. That wouldn't be us.
I love Rage Against the Machine too. I think everyone has a right to promote their social agenda though, just like everyone has a right to disagree.
Hope I answered all of your questions. Hopefully you'll catch a show one day and judge for yourself... most of our shows have no pig's heads.
-Lee — September 29, 2009 6:04 p.m.
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Why aren't all the comments displayed? that's odd....— October 1, 2009 11:08 a.m.
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Wow, this got a lil weird last night.— October 1, 2009 11:07 a.m.
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They censor the great ones...— September 30, 2009 4:25 p.m.
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SD F***O, Thank you, your hate sustains me. Maybe, one day you and I can get together in the basement of your parents house where you live and write your blog so you can show me some things to practice... what instrument do you play? I am an a**hole and a highly misunderstood artist. Come out to a show, I would love to hear you bash a whole set of ours. Your views are fascinating and I wish you were published so I could hold your poetry in my hands. We are garbage... that's somehow worse than trash I think. Keep up the hate friend the world needs more a**holes, like me... and you.— September 30, 2009 4:23 p.m.
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Shove them in people's faces? That never happened... That is a lie. You are a douche. You weren't even there! Stop trying to start s*** you lying fabricating gossip whore. I love criticism and bad reviews... I feed on it like a black hole feeds on matter. Take this one: http://www.examiner.com/x-22572-San-Diego-Indie-M… This guy was at the awards show and did not care for our set one bit... not because of the pig heads, he thought our music was contrived and he even says he felt "robbed". Cool, that is his opinion and he is entitled to it because he was there to see it and form that opinion himself! Josh nailed you on the head, You twist words to fit your angle ... "what's the angle" is what you kept saying to us when you did a write up on my group "known by nothing" blurt feb 22nd 2007, Mike Miller wasn't even there at the interview and you attributed my quotes to him. You quoted Richard as saying "the rap scene has started to get like karaoke" when his statement wasn't about the "rap scene" as you put it, it was about himself and how HE felt like HE was doing karaoke when HE would bring just a cd to do a show. The words "rap scene" were put in by you making it seem like we are bagging on everyone who raps to a cd... which is almost everyone in the "rap scene". The whole time your focus was on the fact that they (mike and richard) are white guys rapping and you wanted some stories of their struggles as white rappers to fit the angle you were spinning. Fast forward to now... You do a write up about a show you weren't at, you find two people who have a problem with our set and the pigs heads, you call me at work and start asking me to respond to claims we're "cheesy" and "trying too hard"... You want conflict. If the singer of cattle decapitation disliked our set why doesn't he blog about it himself? in his own words, then I can take it as his criticism and not as your gossip... I don't like the Ken Leighton filter that was used, it's like brewing coffee with a filter made of bulls***. I'm not complaining we're being mistreated and I don't mind negative feedback (like I said before, I like it.). I'm pointing out that you paraphrase and twist words to build an angle. I'm happy that the publisher of citybeat and two writers I respect joined in with me to call you out for being a shady douche hack (my words, not theirs) You have a bad reputation. There is a reason for that. Peace. -Lee and the fact we did something similar to Mayhem just makes us more metal... We'll take that. Keep those examples coming Ken.— September 30, 2009 2:23 p.m.
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Refriedgringo, I get where you're coming from, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I know that pig's heads are a pretty brutal thing to wrap the mind around. We were making a statement, it was an abnormal set indeed. Our normal set is just us playing music. We don't need pig's heads, we had them to use and we felt the SDMA's was the perfect venue to use them. It wasn't a plan to promote vegetarian ideals as much as an idea that came together piece by piece... if someone were to give us lettuce and carrots, I'm sure we would find some use for them. If we did decide to use lettuce and carrots, I'm sure our critics would still say it was cliche. You just can't win with some people. Alas, I am a peasant and Nero is the emperor... We aren't really on speaking terms but I will try to tell Nero you said hello. Take care man.— September 29, 2009 8 p.m.
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Dear Refriedgringo, First, I really like your name. Second, My name is Lee and I play drums for "The burning of rome" www.theburningofrome.com is our website, check it out. Third, I'm far from the greatest musician ever... I'm a student of music and I always will be. I wish that playing music was my "job", It is more like a passion or my main reason for living rather than a means to make a living. Most of the shows we play we don't get paid for (like the SDMA's)... but, I think that focusing on the money we might make is missing the point and has nothing to do with the type of show we put on at all. We like playing dramatic and theatrical music and we try to put on a dramatic and theatrical show to go along with that. Your "normal response" is probably true for some of us but not all of us, in reality we (the burning of rome) had different reasons for the same idea... just like everyone in the audience that saw the pig's heads came to their own conclusions. It's just a matter of opinion... You can't see why we would have pig's heads on stage and another person may think it's the greatest thing ever. We can't please everyone... so, we just do what we do and if people like it, good. If they don't, oh well. Their are a lot of different reasons why we brought five pigs heads to the SDMA's... maybe, one day if we become friends I will let you in on them. until then, the reasons remain ours. You asked if we can't just settle for a nice gentle backdrop, No. No, we can't. That wouldn't be us. I love Rage Against the Machine too. I think everyone has a right to promote their social agenda though, just like everyone has a right to disagree. Hope I answered all of your questions. Hopefully you'll catch a show one day and judge for yourself... most of our shows have no pig's heads. -Lee— September 29, 2009 6:04 p.m.
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Thanks Josh... I've heard that story as well. Either way, I'm sure he was high. I enjoy your writing, keep doing what you're doing. We would be honored if you would crash one of our art shows. The next one is halloween. If you don't have plans and want to come to oceanside... let me know. -Lee— September 29, 2009 4:54 p.m.
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The s***ty time Seth is referring to actually came after the ceremony when we were detained by viejas police for allegedly stealing the awards show podium... they searched our bus five times and held us for questioning, it was actually quite funny... Not one bit s***ty. To whom it may concern at the reader: Can I request Jay Allen Sanford write about us from now on, good or bad it doesn't matter... it would just be nice to be called cliche by someone who's opinion actually mattered and who isn't just pissed we won't play at his bar. p.s. Ken, get back to me on those examples of bands using pigs heads.... I'm compiling a list of critics who have quoted "spinal tap" to describe a band as cliche, it's a very long list... a very long list indeed. -Lee— September 29, 2009 4:36 p.m.
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Ken: Please (just for my own personal record) give me one example of a band taking to the stage with five pigs heads on stakes to a monologue from "The lord of the flies"... Then, when you can't.... Give me just one example (I won't even make you back up your bulls*** statement that you've seen it ten times) of a band bringing (a) pig's head on stage for any reason... I know it's been done, I would just like to see you tell me when (shouldn't be hard for a rock journalist) and don't say Ozzy (that was a bird, he bit it's head off during a meeting with his record label executives... totally different story) I'll even accept stories with any type of animal head used... please, enlighten me. and Ken, just because something has been done before doesn't mean it can't be done better.... take you for example, I'm sure you started "writing" way before Seth Combs, He just came after you and does it better. that's how life works. (another) and Ken, You should correct the quotes you mangle and twist to an unrecognizable shape. Maybe a tape recorder during your "interviews" would stop the cycle of paraphrasing that turns into misquotes... You have misquoted (or paraphrased) me several times just in this one article. Makes me wonder if you quoted the gentleman from Cattle decapitation correctly... or the anonymous award winner and performer who's kids we scared. You also left out that our guitarist is a vegetarian and was standing next to the hot dog booth with a pig head asking people to "look their food in the eyes"... that part you didn't think had any factual significance to the story? We didn't receive any negative feedback at all... the only feedback we've received has been very positive and congratulatory. The people who didn't enjoy the show apparently all waited to share their stories with you. I'm not saying everyone enjoyed it, I am saying this atmosphere you are trying to depict of people being grossed out and unimpressed is false... how did you get the assignment to write about an award show you weren't at anyway? Is the reader hiring? I can write about places I don't go and things I haven't seen. We weren't trolling for publicity.... if anything we were trolling for p*ssy! it's an award show and we're single men... and one single lady! We were making the best out of a four minute time slot and I doubt any of the musicians you spoke to could do any better (especially you.... can you imagine what you would do for four minutes, I mean plugging the royal dive could only possibly eat up two minutes, then what? do you juggle? do you have a hidden talent beyond spreading misinformation?) I understand that you don't get it, I never expected you to understand words like "original" and "creative"... words like those aren't in your vocabulary or your consciousness.— September 29, 2009 4:35 p.m.