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Sanders Claims City Can Return to Bond Market. Oh? That Will Be Up to Investors. Bond Rating Agencies Suffer from Bad Reputation
Fumbler-do you have ANY friends in real life????— May 18, 2008 3:39 p.m.
Herbal Life's pyramid scheme
"The Most Expensive Thing You Can Own Is A Closed Mind." By Reader 12:56 a.m., May 18, 2008 ============================================= Reader, your mind is not only closed, it is cemented shut! Don't sweat it though Reader, if someone owned me on bogus claims the way I owned you I would not argue anymore either. Hope this helped.— May 18, 2008 8:51 a.m.
Was Dan Broderick Really a Model of Integrity?
Fumbler= James Hartline.— May 18, 2008 8:45 a.m.
Herbal Life's pyramid scheme
Man, I love it when I can blow people like Reader clean out of the water with their nonsense claims.....Reader-put your chin strap on buddy, because in boxing this is known a a knockout. ! ! ! 1- USANA is award winning, won Best of State in Utah for 4 years in a row where over 100 supplement companies are housed. ================================================== BIG DEAL, this is not a STATE agency, it is a private group that has only in been business 4 years-and they give out HUNDREDS of these awards. And BTW-Utah does NOT HAVE hundreds of supplement companies. Nice try. http://www.bestofstate.org/index.php?BestofStateS… Strike one. ********** 2-USANA won the highest rating in "The Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements". ===================================================== Lyle MacWilliam who authored the Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements was on USANA's medical advisory board from 2003 to 2006. This was during the time he wrote the fourth edition. Lyle MacWilliam never disclosed that fact to anyone. One of his claimed "INDEPENDENT authorities" used to make the blended standard used to determine the best formula was Dr. Ray Strand. What is never disclosed to any reader of the book is the following. Dr. Ray Strand is on USANA's medical advisory board. Dy Ray Strand and his wife Elizabeth are USANA distributors at the EMERALD director ranking which makes on average $104,000 a year on commissions. Another "INDEPENDENT" authority was Dr. Michael Colgan. He was also on USANA's medical advisory board in the 1990s and once was a USANA distributor with the USANA account name "Institute Colgan". So how could Lyle MacWilliam claim Dr. Ray Strand is an "INDEPENDENT" authority??? And since Lyle MacWilliam himself was on USANA's medical advisory board from 2003 to 2006 without ever disclosing that fact, this makes the entire book USELESS and NONCREDIBLE. The book is nothing more than a sales tool sold to USANA distributors to be used to recruit people into USANA's pyramid scheme. Strike two. ***** 3-USANA's founder won "The Albert Einstein Award" for Life Science through Nutrition. ============================================= This "award" comes from Global Capital Associates, founded in April of 2006-or less than a year old when they gave this "award" to one of their first "clients". My question to Reader-ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!! Strike three-you're out Reader.— May 17, 2008 12:13 p.m.
Herbal Life's pyramid scheme
Current Litigation; In a routine financial report filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission in mid-2006, Herbalife management identified two pending lawsuits significant enough to warrant notifiying their investors: In a California class action suit, Minton v. Herbalife International, et al, the plaintiff is "challenging the marketing practices of certain Herbalife International independent distributors and Herbalife International under various state laws prohibiting "endless chain schemes", insufficient disclosure in assisted marketing plans, unfair and deceptive business practices, and fraud and deceit". In a West Virginia class action suit, Mey v. Herbalife International, Inc., et al, the plaintiffs allege that some "telemarketing practices of certain Herbalife International distributors violate the Telephone Consumer Protection Act, or TCPA, and seeks to hold Herbalife International vicariously liable for the practices of these distributors. More specifically, the plaintiffs' complaint alleges that several of Herbalife International's distributors used pre-recorded telephone messages and autodialers to contact prospective customers in violation of the TCPA's prohibition of such practices".— May 17, 2008 11:15 a.m.
Herbal Life's pyramid scheme
In a 1979 court ruling,[7] the Federal Trade Commission found that Amway does not qualify as an illegal pyramid scheme since the main aim of the enterprise is the sale of product and money is paid only for business volume, personal and group. It did, however, order Amway to change several business practices and prohibited the company from misrepresenting the amount of profit, earnings or sales its distributors are likely to achieve with the business. Amway was ordered to accompany any such statements with the actual averages per distributor, pointing out that more than half of the distributors do not make any money, with the average distributor making less than $100 per month. ****The order was violated with a 1986 ad campaign, resulting in a $100,000 fine.[8] .... October 2005 a Utah appeals court reversed part of the decision dismissing the case against four Amway distributors, and remanded it to the earlier court for further proceedings.[32] ****On 20 March 2007, Procter & Gamble was awarded 19.25 million dollars by a U.S. District Court jury in Salt Lake City, in the lawsuit filed against four Amway distributors in 1995.[33][34] Several groups including those associated with the anti-cult movement have expressed concern that tactics of some of the organizations that support Amway IBOs may constitute cult-like activity. Steven Hassan's Freedom of Mind Center lists the practices of some of these groups as potentially abusive according to his "BITE" Model of mind control.[35] Other similar organizations that have expressed concern with the activities of AMOs in practice include FACTnet,[36] Cult Awareness and Information Centre (Australia),[37] and others. The Rick Ross Institute keeps a collection of related material on its website.[38]. GREAT COMPANY!!!!— May 17, 2008 11:11 a.m.
Herbal Life's pyramid scheme
Patchie is obviously a MLM person, because they are the only ones who promote MLM's as legitimate businesses. Same goes for Alexander. When you get people coming on making conclusory statements, in spite of the vast documented scams of these companies, then you know they are in over their heads and just trying to get their oney out of the scam. As for shutting down MLM's, like Don stated, happens all the time. As for Herbalife, Amway and the others-they have been hit with hundreds, if not thousands of FTC lawsuits, claims and cease and desist orders-so it is very well documented that they break the law on a regular basis, and eventually they will fold. As for hedge fund managers making $ billion a year-100% false. The TOP hedge fund/private equity manager last year made 3.6 billion, and he was far and away the highest paid. There is also a fundamental difference between MLM and regular business where people actually work for a paycheck. In MLM's it is just a big fat scam where people do NOT WANT to work, and just sit back and get the profits. No intent to put in the sweat and tears, but still want to take out the profits. As for Amway and their claim that they are the top supplier of soap in America-I will restate what Don said-have you EVER seen an Amway bar of soar ANYWHERE in public or private. No. I m not saying the Amway, or the others, have garbage products, but I am saying they are not honest companies. I think the BIGGEST scam held out by Amway is that the have created more millionaires than any company in the world. Never mind they can’t back the statement up, and the fact is McDonalds is well documented as having created more millionaires, BY FAR, than any other company. Now, ask someone how many times he or she have eaten a Big Mac and then ask him or her how many times they have bought Amway soap. BOOM! Patchie-MLM's are 100% bogus, always have been, always will be. Sorry to burst your bubble. For Patchie and the others; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=amway+scams— May 17, 2008 11:07 a.m.
San Diego's Prop C, a way to silence the auditor
JohnnyVegas - God forbid anybody has a differing opinion than you. I guess it's easy to insult and dismiss a stranger on-line. You must be fun at parties... ================================================ :)........Relax SanDiegoBorn...it's only the Internet.— May 16, 2008 10:35 p.m.
Sanders Claims City Can Return to Bond Market. Oh? That Will Be Up to Investors. Bond Rating Agencies Suffer from Bad Reputation
Maybe McGrory is moving back into the city to run for office. ============================= LOL...Thanks for the chuckle. Jack couldn't get elected dog catcher here. He is the one MOST responsible for our financial mess. Him and his pension underfunding scheme, where the "most" the City would have to pay in a downturn was $25 million. He was only off by a factor of 60.— May 16, 2008 10:32 p.m.
San Diego's Prop C, a way to silence the auditor
Go with Torell. He didn't charge San Diego $20 million for a report that was largely lifted from material that the city attorney had already put together. =================================== Damn!...you beat me to it. Anyone that would pull a scam on the level and to the extreme Kroll did has ZERO credibility with me, and most people with half a brain, which appears to count SanDiegoBorn out.— May 16, 2008 11:28 a.m.