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San Diego pandemic protests bring out everyone with an opinion

Nathan and Lorena Fletcher as lightning rods

Lorena Gonzalez Fletcher complained about supervisor Kristin Gaspar going on “a right wing radio station” and “calling [her husband] a dictator.”
Lorena Gonzalez Fletcher complained about supervisor Kristin Gaspar going on “a right wing radio station” and “calling [her husband] a dictator.”

The Covid-related business shutdown and stay-at-home orders issued by Governor Newsom and San Diego County public health officer Wilma Wooten have led to civil disobedience and lawsuits. A local protest movement began April 18 at the Hall of Justice downtown San Diego, a gathering deemed illegal by the same orders it protested.

A San Diego District Attorney spokesperson says California state law gives the county authority to issue health orders, and “violations are a misdemeanor crime.” The latest update to the county health order on May 1 continues the prohibition of all public and private gatherings. On April 20 San Diego police and the sheriff’s department warned protesters, “While no citations were issued at the protests, that does not mean prosecution will not be sought.”

Protest numbers have grown each weekend since. In Pacific Beach on April 26 for the “Day of Liberty.” At the Hall of Justice on May 1 for “Reopen San Diego” and at the county administration center on Pacific Highway for “Jail Break Day.”

"Reopen San Diego" rally, May 1

Civil rights attorney Shawn McMillan says he came out to support the movement the last two weekends and is reopening his University City law firm after a six-week hiatus. He says, “The longer the shutdown drags on, the more protests you will see.”

He adds, “The concern I have with San Diego is we have an unelected county health official issuing orders and our elected officials are in lock step with those orders.”

Though county supervisor Nathan Fletcher has been the face of the local public health efforts, Dr. Wooten is signing the orders. After the first major protest, Fletcher complained on Twitter that San Diego police allowed hundreds of protesters to violate the prohibition against public gatherings, since the sheriffs had issued citations to protesters who remained in their cars. His complaint was echoed by his wife, Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez-Fletcher, who on April 23 tweeted, “The push to ignore stay-at-home orders are a minority. And a death wish.” On May 3 she complained about supervisor Kristin Gaspar going on “a right wing radio station” and “calling [her husband] a dictator.”

Shawn McMillan: "People are struggling.”

On April 30 the Republican Party of San Diego County seemed to agree with protesters when it posted to Facebook: “California petulant Governor Gavin Newsom is now enjoying his emergency powers and won’t let go – with mini-me Mr. Lorena Gonzalez Fletcher encouraging him. End the statewide lockdown now!”

McMillan: "I see Trump people down there with Trump flags and MAGA hats, but it’s not the majority. Majority are people who need their job to live. There’s a lot of Libertarians and independents. And some Democrats who might become independents after this. People are struggling.”

Counter-protesters in San Diego have confined themselves to social media, some wishing death upon the protesters. Political activist Mark Lane has been keeping score every time a news article publishes a story about a Christian or pastor who gets arrested, gets sick, or dies from COVID-19. As of April 1 his scorecard read, “Darwinism-5, Creationism-0.” His postings got him kicked out of the East County Political Information Center Facebook group.

Kennan Kaeder: "No rights described in the Bill of Rights are unlimited....You can’t yell fire in a crowded theater."

On April 19 San Diego City Council communications director Dave Rolland went on Twitter and called on reporters to investigate the protesters and lumped Trump supporters and anti-vaxxers with white supremacists. On April 26 former Kevin Faulconer public policy manager Greg Block tweeted: “The Pro-Death protesters have found their way to Pacific Beach, because the lives of residents and workers are less important than the ability to get a haircut and hamburger.”

Former San Diego County Democratic Party chair Kennan Kaeder, says, "No rights described in the Bill of Rights are unlimited. For example, your right to express an opinion stops at the tip of the other guy’s nose. You can’t yell fire in a crowded theater and you can’t advocate for the violent overthrow of the government.

Supervisor Fletcher’s director of communications James Canning says, “The public health orders are based on science, data and are meant to protect people’s well-being, and slow the spread of coronavirus – that is the only motive for the public health orders.”

April 18 rally

The district attorney’s office has received county health order violation cases from local law enforcement agencies outside the city of San Diego. On May 4 a spokesperson stated, “Our office has received 67 cases… They are all under review. No charges have been filed at this time.”

Attorney Harmeet Dhillon represents the organizer of San Diego’s first Freedom Rally, who was threatened with criminal prosecution. “It is outrageous that our client is being charged with a crime for participating in constitutionally protected activity,” Dhillon said in a news release. On April 27 she filed a lawsuit against the state ban on public protests.

A member of Mountain Empire’s Abiding Place Ministries church says Dhillon serves as co-counsel to Freedom X Law, which represents them in a lawsuit against Dr. Wooten and the county of San Diego. He says the county lifted their ban on drive in services on April 20 (the county didn’t answer my question about this) and since April 26 his church has held drive-in services.

McMillan laments that “this whole thing broke down into politics almost immediately which is unfortunate. The First Amendment shouldn’t be a political issue.”

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I hope this doesn't lead to looting and rioting. It's happening elsewhere.

May 6, 2020

Lets open everything up like the protesters and Republicans want. Limit Covid-19 admissions on a first come first served basis. When the hospitals are maxed out with Covid patients then we will see who complains the loudest. And who thinks that if everything was opened up that everyone would go back to business as usual? Will everyone rush back to fill restaurants and retail shops? So far in every state that has "opened up" the numbers of Covid cases and related deaths have gone up. Just look at Florida and Georgia and see what is happening. If our governor was a Republican and was doing what Newsome was doing would the Republicans be siding with the protesters? I think not. One thing that you can bank on is that stupid will prevail.

May 7, 2020

It's not just Republicans who want to reopen the state. Most Californians are in favor of reopening California. 84% of Californians want California reopened. Liberals, moderates (me) and conservatives. Most Americans are moderate or conservative (80%) but California is a liberal state. Democrats and Republicans are reopening their businesses throughout the state, and ignoring Newsom's orders. They're well aware that Newsom has a longstanding history of overstepping his power. You're retired. Are you willing to give up your pension and social security so those who've lost their jobs can pay their bills? Are you willing to teach children from your home because not all parents can afford a home computer, which means they're at home and not being taught through Zoom? Are you supporting local businesses (daily)? It's really easy for those who are retired to sit back in their ivory retired tower while the rest of us still have a life, and our lives have drastically changed. It's time for the elderly and sick to stay home, while the rest of us get back to LIVING. Less than 1% of California residents have tested positive or died from Covid-19. We've been on lockdown long enough. Yes, we've flattened the curve, but even MDs are speaking out that it's time to reopen and letting people live their lives. Before their lives are totally destroyed because they have NO INCOME. Enough is enough. End of sermon.

May 7, 2020

"84% of Californians want California reopened" Citation needed. No- Faux news doesn't count.

May 7, 2020

I don't watch Fox News, and it came from a Democratic friend of mine (a journalist in San Francisco) who knows Newsom very well. Like any journalist, he has more access to information than I do. SF is Newsom's "home turf." According to Reform California (requesting a donation) 72% of Californians want California reopened. The only people I know who aren't in favor of reopening with necessary precautions and provisions are elderly. Their lives (and income) haven't changed, except socially. And they worry more. If they received a stimulus check, they're benefiting financially, especially if more stimulus checks come. It's time to quit overreacting and the mass hysteria has to stop. It's time to deal with reality.

May 7, 2020

They're protesting in San Francisco, Sacramento, San Diego and Huntington Beach. San Francisco is as liberal as liberal can get. Maybe the entire city became Republicans because they want to go back to WORK. Or they decided that Republicans really do love their country more, and liberals have ruined a once beautiful state like California. Hmm....

May 7, 2020

"They're protesting in San Francisco, Sacramento, San Diego and Huntington Beach"

So, when 100 uneducated people protest in a city of millions, does that mean that 'They' are protesting?

May 7, 2020

Personally, I think protesting is asinine. It doesn't do any good. If you want to hide under your bed because you're scared, that's your business. The rest of us are healthy and ready to get back to life. If you were still working for a living or raising kids you might be singing a different tune. You've lived your life. You were "shooting pool in the 50s" I think in Chicago, and I can do the math. If I was your age, I'd stay home too.

May 7, 2020

Good luck, Socks. I hope you stay well and get back to work soon. You're right, I'm retired. I take a morning run before the sun comes up and buy supplies in bulk, so I don't go shopping daily like my neighbors. Social life is cramped and I look forward to an end to all this.

But which is worse- the disease or the damage to the economy? Everyone will have their own answer. Everyone is certain that their answer is the correct one.

May 8, 2020

Swell, thank you. I'm gainfully employed, but on LOA (caretaking - elderly mom). My boss wants me back to work (at home) while others have lost their jobs where I work. My boss admits to being "professionally selfish" and then he tells me he "cares about me." My husband is gainfully employed, but driving me nuts at home (he's working from home) but we are happily married. Thank goodness for "square footage" and kids who are grown. I think we're okay on his income, but he could lose his job... like anyone who is employed.

To answer your question... the disease or the damage to the economy? I don't know. I really don't know.

Stay well and take care...

May 8, 2020

Ya know, there is a saying that I have been hearing, in various iterations, for probably decades: If you have your health, you have everything. I think right now it would be better said as When you don't have your health, nothing else matters at all. Just my opinion. Opinions vary.

May 10, 2020

To the next above message of Socks3742: Was Socks3742 in San Diego County back in the time -- when Republican Party was the majority political party here.When San Diego County was a more conservative county, than it is now,

May 7, 2020

Ised - I remember when San Diego County was more conservative, and I was in the city of San Diego.

May 8, 2020

Here's my opinion/ Lorena Gonzalez Fletcher is a pig. She has never created a job in her life. She only represents some of her constituents. She is what is wrong with California, along with the Irwin Jacob's puppet, Nathan.

May 10, 2020

Your First Amendment-protected expression of a misogynistic opinion of Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez is "what's wrong," Ponzi, and it's impossible to defend it. You may not like it, but Lorena is smart, outspoken, a Labor leader and a rising star in California politics.

May 13, 2020

And she's on her knees thanking God for this covidsteria, which has drawn attention away from her disastrous AB5 law. If Gonzalez is what passes for a "rising star in California politics" we really are in trouble.

May 14, 2020

I guarantee you that Ponzi will not like it.

May 16, 2020

The weekend (Saturday 5/16) protests at the County Administration Building (Harbor Dr.) was more of a Trump rally than anything. People everywhere are trending toward pre-Covid activities. Some are taking precautions some are not. Business will open with or without County/City/State approval. Time will tell if the herd immunity people are correct or if the medical and scientific professionals right. Hospitals should take a first come first served Covid patient stance. When the Covid care portion of the hospital is full then no more patients will be accepted. If the Trump people are correct that Covid is a Democratic conspiracy Trump wins. If not well no sympathy for them from me.

May 17, 2020

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Lorena Gonzalez Fletcher complained about supervisor Kristin Gaspar going on “a right wing radio station” and “calling [her husband] a dictator.”
Lorena Gonzalez Fletcher complained about supervisor Kristin Gaspar going on “a right wing radio station” and “calling [her husband] a dictator.”

The Covid-related business shutdown and stay-at-home orders issued by Governor Newsom and San Diego County public health officer Wilma Wooten have led to civil disobedience and lawsuits. A local protest movement began April 18 at the Hall of Justice downtown San Diego, a gathering deemed illegal by the same orders it protested.

A San Diego District Attorney spokesperson says California state law gives the county authority to issue health orders, and “violations are a misdemeanor crime.” The latest update to the county health order on May 1 continues the prohibition of all public and private gatherings. On April 20 San Diego police and the sheriff’s department warned protesters, “While no citations were issued at the protests, that does not mean prosecution will not be sought.”

Protest numbers have grown each weekend since. In Pacific Beach on April 26 for the “Day of Liberty.” At the Hall of Justice on May 1 for “Reopen San Diego” and at the county administration center on Pacific Highway for “Jail Break Day.”

"Reopen San Diego" rally, May 1

Civil rights attorney Shawn McMillan says he came out to support the movement the last two weekends and is reopening his University City law firm after a six-week hiatus. He says, “The longer the shutdown drags on, the more protests you will see.”

He adds, “The concern I have with San Diego is we have an unelected county health official issuing orders and our elected officials are in lock step with those orders.”

Though county supervisor Nathan Fletcher has been the face of the local public health efforts, Dr. Wooten is signing the orders. After the first major protest, Fletcher complained on Twitter that San Diego police allowed hundreds of protesters to violate the prohibition against public gatherings, since the sheriffs had issued citations to protesters who remained in their cars. His complaint was echoed by his wife, Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez-Fletcher, who on April 23 tweeted, “The push to ignore stay-at-home orders are a minority. And a death wish.” On May 3 she complained about supervisor Kristin Gaspar going on “a right wing radio station” and “calling [her husband] a dictator.”

Shawn McMillan: "People are struggling.”

On April 30 the Republican Party of San Diego County seemed to agree with protesters when it posted to Facebook: “California petulant Governor Gavin Newsom is now enjoying his emergency powers and won’t let go – with mini-me Mr. Lorena Gonzalez Fletcher encouraging him. End the statewide lockdown now!”

McMillan: "I see Trump people down there with Trump flags and MAGA hats, but it’s not the majority. Majority are people who need their job to live. There’s a lot of Libertarians and independents. And some Democrats who might become independents after this. People are struggling.”

Counter-protesters in San Diego have confined themselves to social media, some wishing death upon the protesters. Political activist Mark Lane has been keeping score every time a news article publishes a story about a Christian or pastor who gets arrested, gets sick, or dies from COVID-19. As of April 1 his scorecard read, “Darwinism-5, Creationism-0.” His postings got him kicked out of the East County Political Information Center Facebook group.

Kennan Kaeder: "No rights described in the Bill of Rights are unlimited....You can’t yell fire in a crowded theater."

On April 19 San Diego City Council communications director Dave Rolland went on Twitter and called on reporters to investigate the protesters and lumped Trump supporters and anti-vaxxers with white supremacists. On April 26 former Kevin Faulconer public policy manager Greg Block tweeted: “The Pro-Death protesters have found their way to Pacific Beach, because the lives of residents and workers are less important than the ability to get a haircut and hamburger.”

Former San Diego County Democratic Party chair Kennan Kaeder, says, "No rights described in the Bill of Rights are unlimited. For example, your right to express an opinion stops at the tip of the other guy’s nose. You can’t yell fire in a crowded theater and you can’t advocate for the violent overthrow of the government.

Supervisor Fletcher’s director of communications James Canning says, “The public health orders are based on science, data and are meant to protect people’s well-being, and slow the spread of coronavirus – that is the only motive for the public health orders.”

April 18 rally

The district attorney’s office has received county health order violation cases from local law enforcement agencies outside the city of San Diego. On May 4 a spokesperson stated, “Our office has received 67 cases… They are all under review. No charges have been filed at this time.”

Attorney Harmeet Dhillon represents the organizer of San Diego’s first Freedom Rally, who was threatened with criminal prosecution. “It is outrageous that our client is being charged with a crime for participating in constitutionally protected activity,” Dhillon said in a news release. On April 27 she filed a lawsuit against the state ban on public protests.

A member of Mountain Empire’s Abiding Place Ministries church says Dhillon serves as co-counsel to Freedom X Law, which represents them in a lawsuit against Dr. Wooten and the county of San Diego. He says the county lifted their ban on drive in services on April 20 (the county didn’t answer my question about this) and since April 26 his church has held drive-in services.

McMillan laments that “this whole thing broke down into politics almost immediately which is unfortunate. The First Amendment shouldn’t be a political issue.”

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I hope this doesn't lead to looting and rioting. It's happening elsewhere.

May 6, 2020

Lets open everything up like the protesters and Republicans want. Limit Covid-19 admissions on a first come first served basis. When the hospitals are maxed out with Covid patients then we will see who complains the loudest. And who thinks that if everything was opened up that everyone would go back to business as usual? Will everyone rush back to fill restaurants and retail shops? So far in every state that has "opened up" the numbers of Covid cases and related deaths have gone up. Just look at Florida and Georgia and see what is happening. If our governor was a Republican and was doing what Newsome was doing would the Republicans be siding with the protesters? I think not. One thing that you can bank on is that stupid will prevail.

May 7, 2020

It's not just Republicans who want to reopen the state. Most Californians are in favor of reopening California. 84% of Californians want California reopened. Liberals, moderates (me) and conservatives. Most Americans are moderate or conservative (80%) but California is a liberal state. Democrats and Republicans are reopening their businesses throughout the state, and ignoring Newsom's orders. They're well aware that Newsom has a longstanding history of overstepping his power. You're retired. Are you willing to give up your pension and social security so those who've lost their jobs can pay their bills? Are you willing to teach children from your home because not all parents can afford a home computer, which means they're at home and not being taught through Zoom? Are you supporting local businesses (daily)? It's really easy for those who are retired to sit back in their ivory retired tower while the rest of us still have a life, and our lives have drastically changed. It's time for the elderly and sick to stay home, while the rest of us get back to LIVING. Less than 1% of California residents have tested positive or died from Covid-19. We've been on lockdown long enough. Yes, we've flattened the curve, but even MDs are speaking out that it's time to reopen and letting people live their lives. Before their lives are totally destroyed because they have NO INCOME. Enough is enough. End of sermon.

May 7, 2020

"84% of Californians want California reopened" Citation needed. No- Faux news doesn't count.

May 7, 2020

I don't watch Fox News, and it came from a Democratic friend of mine (a journalist in San Francisco) who knows Newsom very well. Like any journalist, he has more access to information than I do. SF is Newsom's "home turf." According to Reform California (requesting a donation) 72% of Californians want California reopened. The only people I know who aren't in favor of reopening with necessary precautions and provisions are elderly. Their lives (and income) haven't changed, except socially. And they worry more. If they received a stimulus check, they're benefiting financially, especially if more stimulus checks come. It's time to quit overreacting and the mass hysteria has to stop. It's time to deal with reality.

May 7, 2020

They're protesting in San Francisco, Sacramento, San Diego and Huntington Beach. San Francisco is as liberal as liberal can get. Maybe the entire city became Republicans because they want to go back to WORK. Or they decided that Republicans really do love their country more, and liberals have ruined a once beautiful state like California. Hmm....

May 7, 2020

"They're protesting in San Francisco, Sacramento, San Diego and Huntington Beach"

So, when 100 uneducated people protest in a city of millions, does that mean that 'They' are protesting?

May 7, 2020

Personally, I think protesting is asinine. It doesn't do any good. If you want to hide under your bed because you're scared, that's your business. The rest of us are healthy and ready to get back to life. If you were still working for a living or raising kids you might be singing a different tune. You've lived your life. You were "shooting pool in the 50s" I think in Chicago, and I can do the math. If I was your age, I'd stay home too.

May 7, 2020

Good luck, Socks. I hope you stay well and get back to work soon. You're right, I'm retired. I take a morning run before the sun comes up and buy supplies in bulk, so I don't go shopping daily like my neighbors. Social life is cramped and I look forward to an end to all this.

But which is worse- the disease or the damage to the economy? Everyone will have their own answer. Everyone is certain that their answer is the correct one.

May 8, 2020

Swell, thank you. I'm gainfully employed, but on LOA (caretaking - elderly mom). My boss wants me back to work (at home) while others have lost their jobs where I work. My boss admits to being "professionally selfish" and then he tells me he "cares about me." My husband is gainfully employed, but driving me nuts at home (he's working from home) but we are happily married. Thank goodness for "square footage" and kids who are grown. I think we're okay on his income, but he could lose his job... like anyone who is employed.

To answer your question... the disease or the damage to the economy? I don't know. I really don't know.

Stay well and take care...

May 8, 2020

Ya know, there is a saying that I have been hearing, in various iterations, for probably decades: If you have your health, you have everything. I think right now it would be better said as When you don't have your health, nothing else matters at all. Just my opinion. Opinions vary.

May 10, 2020

To the next above message of Socks3742: Was Socks3742 in San Diego County back in the time -- when Republican Party was the majority political party here.When San Diego County was a more conservative county, than it is now,

May 7, 2020

Ised - I remember when San Diego County was more conservative, and I was in the city of San Diego.

May 8, 2020

Here's my opinion/ Lorena Gonzalez Fletcher is a pig. She has never created a job in her life. She only represents some of her constituents. She is what is wrong with California, along with the Irwin Jacob's puppet, Nathan.

May 10, 2020

Your First Amendment-protected expression of a misogynistic opinion of Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez is "what's wrong," Ponzi, and it's impossible to defend it. You may not like it, but Lorena is smart, outspoken, a Labor leader and a rising star in California politics.

May 13, 2020

And she's on her knees thanking God for this covidsteria, which has drawn attention away from her disastrous AB5 law. If Gonzalez is what passes for a "rising star in California politics" we really are in trouble.

May 14, 2020

I guarantee you that Ponzi will not like it.

May 16, 2020

The weekend (Saturday 5/16) protests at the County Administration Building (Harbor Dr.) was more of a Trump rally than anything. People everywhere are trending toward pre-Covid activities. Some are taking precautions some are not. Business will open with or without County/City/State approval. Time will tell if the herd immunity people are correct or if the medical and scientific professionals right. Hospitals should take a first come first served Covid patient stance. When the Covid care portion of the hospital is full then no more patients will be accepted. If the Trump people are correct that Covid is a Democratic conspiracy Trump wins. If not well no sympathy for them from me.

May 17, 2020

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