The campaign to ballyhoo the proposed Sunrise Powerlink has one beneficial effect: it is shining light on how San Diego’s overlords try to use misinformation to manipulate public opinion.

San Diego Gas & Electric and its parent, Sempra Energy, want to build the 150-mile transmission line to bring, purportedly, solar power from Imperial Valley at a projected cost of $1.5 billion, which is probably grossly understated. Critics point out that the line would slash its way through Anza-Borrego Desert State Park, Grapevine Canyon, Santa Ysabel Canyon, and Rancho Peñasquitos, ending in Torrey Hills.

The state says that by the end of 2010, renewable energy must be 20 percent of major utilities’ deliveries. SDG&E is at a pitiful 6 percent and admits it probably won’t make the deadline. Southern California Edison is already at 16 percent and Pacific Gas & Electric at 12. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger wants 33 percent renewable by 2020, and former vice president Al Gore wants the nation to hit 100 percent renewable in ten years. In theory, Sunrise Powerlink would help SDG&E meet its 2010 California bogey, although the company admits that there is no guarantee that Sunrise would bring in clean energy.

Sempra’s natural gas operation is the largest in the United States. Some say Sempra has a vested interest in sabotaging renewable energy. In this year’s report to the Securities and Exchange Commission, Sempra admits its business could be hurt by the push for clean, alternative energy. It wants to bring in questionable liquefied natural gas from Indonesia and burn it in its Rosarito plants, moving the power to Los Angeles, its major market. The Rosarito plant evades U.S. pollution requirements. “What they are doing is trying to build dependency on sources of power that they control,” says city attorney Mike Aguirre. “They are holding renewable energy hostage to Powerlink.” Aguirre is pushing for the building of solar and alternative energy facilities within the San Diego metropolitan area.

One of the groups battling Sunrise is Utility Consumers’ Action Network (UCAN), a 30,000-member organization that has fought every SDG&E rate-increase attempt since 1984, with many great successes. On Monday, July 14, the Union-Tribune wrote an editorial titled “Lucrative rip-off: SDG&E bills include interest-group costs.” The editorial was inaccurate and pathetically fatuous. The second sentence read, “But what few San Diego Gas & Electric customers know is that their monthly bills are higher because UCAN’s small staff has collected nearly $2 million from SDG&E ratepayers for intervening before the California Public Utilities Commission in opposition to SDG&E projects from 1989 to 2006.”

Think about that nonsense. SDG&E has 1.4 million customers, residential and business. The grand sum of $2 million spread over 17 years would make a tiny, tiny dent in bills received by more than a million customers annually. However, that claim of $2 million is inaccurate. The California Public Utilities Commission in 1981 set up a program by which intervenors in rate actions, such as UCAN, can get reimbursed for their work on a rate case. However, the commission’s intervenor compensation guide makes it clear that to be paid, an intervenor must make a “substantial contribution” to the rate-setting proceedings. In requesting compensation, an intervenor should weigh “the actual costs of your participation in the proceeding against the benefits achieved for ratepayers as a result of your participation.” Intervenors must show that their work did not duplicate that of others involved in the process.

Says Michael Shames, founder and head of UCAN, “The law says you can’t have intervenor compensation unless the benefits [to the ratepayer] exceed the cost [the intervenor] is seeking. There is not a scenario in which ratepayer bills could be higher because of what they pay to UCAN.”

The U-T’s editorial did not mention, of course, that on January 26, 2002, another editorial that appeared in the

U-T lauded Shames as a “consumers’ hero.” UCAN had challenged a deal cooked up in a back room by Sempra and former governor Gray Davis. UCAN won and saved the ratepayers $363 million, later reduced to $197 million. Said the editorial about UCAN, “Good work, guys.” If the U-T’s statement that UCAN has cost ratepayers $2 million over 17 years were accurate — and it is not accurate — even the U-T might understand that $197 million is a very good return on a $2 million investment. It’s even better on the actual investment: zero.

The July 14 editorial was written by Bob Kittle, the U-T’s editorial page editor. Kittle got information for his piece from SDG&E, says Shames, quoting a phone conversation he had with Kittle.

In an email, I asked Kittle about that. He shot back, “In fact, I received no information from SDG&E.” He explained that the information provided to him was given by Sempra, SDG&E’s parent. Hmmm. This isn’t even hairsplitting. It’s rank deception.

Then a spokeswoman for SDG&E told me, “We were contacted by the U-T and did provide information about UCAN intervenor fees.” But SDG&E or Sempra did not suggest or plant the editorial, she asserted. Remember, she is a spokeswoman for SDG&E, not Sempra. But I am not going to play that game. If she works for SDG&E, she works for Sempra.

Kittle’s editorial went on to claim that intervenor fees are a “multimillion-dollar rip-off for consumers” because the utilities commission already has a Division of Ratepayer Advocates, which supposedly represents the consumers. But those who follow these utility proceedings say that bureaucratic sclerosis and political pressure often render the ratepayer advocates ineffective and intervenor arguments frequently carry the day.

Getting even sillier, the editorial went on to criticize Shames for making $90,000 a year over a three-year period. This is peanuts. In big firms, first-year attorneys, right out of law school, can make $150,000. Shames has been practicing law for UCAN for 23 years. He says he charges $350 an hour and that this is half of what SDG&E’s outside lawyers charge. SDG&E would not reveal what it pays its outside attorneys. “Shames could make four times the money if he went to work for the industry,” says someone who has studied San Diego utilities for decades, noting that Sempra paid its chairman $9.5 million last year and its president $6.5 million.


rickeysays July 30, 2008 @ 11:04 p.m.

Every hour, enough solar energy falls on the surface of the earth to satisfy the power needs of the whole planet for an entire year. Yet, at present only 1% of the worlds energy is derived from solar power.


Don Bauder July 31, 2008 @ 6:04 a.m.

Response to post #5: Opponents say that the solar power should be generated within the metro area -- say, on roofs on homes -- so that the transmission lines won't have to cut through Anza Borrego and other places. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder July 31, 2008 @ 6:06 a.m.

Response to post #6: I do not know if Sempra has looked into this technology. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder July 31, 2008 @ 6:17 a.m.

Response to post #9: The domestic auto companies have done few things right in recent years. The Japanese, German, and Korean competitors have been much more intelligently managed. (Daimler overpaying for Chrysler and then giving it away is one major exception.) Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 July 30, 2008 @ 12:40 p.m.

Regulated utilities in California are a worst case scenario since Michael R. Peevey was appointed President of the California Public Utilities Commission by Governor Gray Davis on December 31, 2002, after originally being appointed to the CPUC by Governor Davis in March 2002. The good news, we can only hope, is that his term expires December 31, 2008.

Governor Davis’s criminal stupidity was one of the root causes of the California and San Diego Energy Crisis of 2000, which he made even worse by appointing Mr. Peevey who had been President of Edison International and Southern California Edison Company, and a senior executive there beginning from 1984 to 1995. Governor Davis could not possibly have appointed anyone as President of the CPUC who was more corrupt than Peevey.

Gray Davis was most deservedly kicked out of the Governorship by the electorate, but Michael Peevey still remains as a root cause of all California and San Diego electric utility ratepayer problems today.

The fact is that until Michael Peevey is replaced by someone who is not just another worst case scenario corruption role model there is very little anyone can do to save the ratepayers from regulated public utilities in California.

Sadly, there has been no effective outrage from ratepayers and the electorate to make the right things happen, not even to remove Peevey after Davis was kicked out of office for his part in the Energy Crisis. So no changes can be expected even when his term expires because No One Really Cares, yet.


Don Bauder July 30, 2008 @ 1:14 p.m.

Response to post #1: I agree that Peevey is a problem for California ratepayers. The good news is that his term is up in December. But CPUC will probably get someone just as bad. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 July 30, 2008 @ 3:39 p.m.

Response to post #2:

Two questions Don,

1 – Why have California’s consumer advocates and the democratic legislature allowed Peevey to continue his policy of fleecing ratepayers with out of control utility rates for all these years since Davis was kicked out of office?

2 – Why don’t our advocates and the legislature attack our rapidly escalating climate change and clean water problems by legislating and fast tracking the building of non-fossil fuel burning nuclear power plants combined with desalination plants along our coast instead of forcing the utilities to build unacceptably vulnerable and problematic transmission lines all over the countryside across the state so they can tie into global warming producing fossil fuel burning plants while we run out of clean water?

We really must get our priorities straight and force these issues through the legislature with a sense of urgency or face never-ending skyrocketing energy costs, power supply failures and climate change consequences like out of control firestorms along with failing clean water supplies that continue to destroy our agriculture industry and quality of life?


Don Bauder July 31, 2008 @ 6:09 a.m.

Response to post #7: There is not much opposition to solar power per se. The argument is over the method by which it is gathered and transmitted to San Diego. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder July 31, 2008 @ 12:14 p.m.

Response to post #15: SDG&E is probably rushing to meet the state's requirements and figures that one existing line can't get it there. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder July 30, 2008 @ 4:38 p.m.

Response to post #3: There are several reasons for the legislature's recalcitrance: 1. The state is broke; 2. The legislature is dysfunctional; 3. There is still a lot of opposition to nuclear plants; 4. Desalination is expensive and consumers (voters) are hurting; 5. Much of the big money still pooh-poohs global warming; 6. Energy is extremely important, but it is not at the top of the public's priority list. Best, Don Bauder


rickeysays July 30, 2008 @ 10:14 p.m.

I don't understand all the opposition to the powerlink. The desert seems like the perfect place to generate solar power. Lots of open land getting cooked by the sun, just waiting to be utilized. It seems like environmentalists should be falling all over each other in their rush to endorse this. Instead I hear just the opposite. I don't get it. It seems like using the desert for a solar farm and running power lines through open land are about the most benign ways to utilize land I can think of. If it's the ugliness of your average high voltage tower, then make them nicer to look at. Take a lesson from the windmills in Palm Springs. We have to improve our power grid to improve our ability to distribute electricity, to make the best use of what different geographic regions have to offer. So what am I missing?


rickeysays July 30, 2008 @ 11:03 p.m.

A Utah based company called IAUS (International Automated Systems Inc.) has developed a solar lens technology that transmits solar energy with an efficiency of 92%.

A California energy consortium has invested in the first stage of the project. Twenty specially designed solar towers are being erected close to the Great Basin in Delta, Utah. Each tower holds four solar lenses that follow the sun as it crosses the clear blue desert sky. Each lens will focus the sun's rays onto specially designed heat exchangers that will convert the solar energy to super-heated steam. The heat exchangers double as high-efficiency turbines that will drive electrical generators to produce alternating current output.

Later stages will involve placing 1000 towers over 700 acres of desert. With each tower having a capacity to produce 100 kW of power, the entire field stands to produce close to 100 MW of power when finished. That's enough energy to power 50,000 average Californian homes. Once generated, the power will travel around five miles to be integrated with the U.S. national power grid.

The key to the success of the project are the unique thin-film solar lenses. Lenses of this size are typically heavy and expensive to produce. IAUS have developed a technique of embedding magnifying material into cheap, light, rolled plastic. The plastic is composited into extremely large Fresnel lenses. The lenses are light, relatively cheap to manufacture and easy to maintain. This compares favourably with traditional solar collectors.

Although the sun does not always shine on the solar plant, the company believe that using a heat storage mechanism, they can deliver power around the clock at an estimated production cost of 5 to 10 cents per kilowatt hour. With such competitive production costs, IAUS say that their solar power plant will not only beat the price of coal, but be the first commercial solar power plant to compete favourably with gas powered stations.


Don Bauder July 31, 2008 @ 6:13 a.m.

Response to post #8: Bob, I remember well your effective and winning battle against Edison's attempted takeover of SDG&E. Yes, the San Diego community did itself proud then and is not doing so well now. Peevey was a pitbull, yes, but not a terribly effective one, in my judgment. I debated him several times and didn't consider him particularly tough competition. Best, Don Bauder


Bob_Hudson July 30, 2008 @ 11:38 p.m.

Let's not forget that Michael Peevey was big in Democratic circles back when he was a henchman at Southern California Edison. I went up against him many times when I was Executive Director of the San Diego coalition that successfully fought the takeover of SDG&E by Edison (and no matter what you think of SDG&E, things would have been worse under Edison). Peevey is a well-connected pitbull and he plays the insider game so well I have no doubt the politicos in Sacramento think he's great guy and hope they can get someone just like him to replace him. That's why we need the Michael Shames of the world (and really in California he is pretty unique) who really do represent the ratepayers: the staff at the PUC can't do it, especially with the likes of Peevey at the helm.

Sadly a community that once stood up to Peevey, Edison and SDG&E now sees its "leaders" swallowing the SDG&E line without thinking. They now have their own version of the famed "What's good for General Motors is good for the country". Of course Chula Vista's Cheryl Cox has her own motives: spoil the desert with a new powerline system and the Chargers may let her city assume massive debt so the Chargers get free use of a new bayfront stadium: but the rest - well they're just doing what their lunch buddies from SDG&E want.


Anon92107 July 31, 2008 @ 2:02 a.m.

Response to post #4: Don, looking at your list, the future for San Diego and California is screwed as far as preventing unacceptable climate change consequences, providing enough clean water, maintaining public health for a population that is already too large, providing enough agricultural products/food for our families and quality of life because even though we are the best educated people in history we still can’t think, plan and protect the future for our children.

Response to post #8: Well said Bob, your “General Motors” comparison is most appropriate considering basically every corporation in the auto industry wishes they made or produced more hybrid cars than they are today even though oil has been increasingly problematic for decades. Say goodbye to good old GM as we knew it making their trucks and SUVs to maximize profits for far too long while we also say goodbye to quality of life in San Diego, California, everywhere.

So Lee Iacocca’s “Where Have All the Leaders Gone?” documents reasons for our going from being merely a threatened species to becoming extinct much sooner than we thought:


Bill91932 July 31, 2008 @ 11:02 a.m.

Response to post #5 The part you are missing is that an existing line can carry Green Power to San Diego. The Southwest Powerlink has brought 500kV to San Diego since 1984.
Substitute the non-Green Power, with Green Power, until the line is 100% Green. Then, and only then, talk about a second line to San Diego.


Anon92107 July 31, 2008 @ 1:06 p.m.

Response to post #16: Don, regardless of what "probably" may involve, the one thing that is guaranteed by our politicized CPUC is that SDG&E will make a profit regardless of how screwed up everything gets.

Whether it is because of "state's requirements and figures" or whatever the ratepayers will continue to be fleeced, and fleeced, and screwed, that's not “probably,” guaranteed.

Guaranteed along with more unacceptable climate changes because of fossil fuel burning with no major reduction in sight before too many tipping points topple, less clean water, fewer food crops, and increasingly unacceptable quality of life.

In California, corrupt Cashocracy paid lawyers and judges will enforce those guarantees, guaranteed.


Lhogue July 31, 2008 @ 1:22 p.m.

Response to #5: Ricky, the Sunrise Powerlink isn't really about bringing solar power to San Diego; it's about bringing fossil-fueled power into the country from Mexico. The "green" angle was dreamed up by "San Diego's overlords" (good term there, Don) in a meeting a few years ago (covered by Dean Calbreath in the Union-Tribune a few months ago). Go to to find out more about the "bait-and-switch" behind the Sunrise Powerlink.

There is a problem with desert solar power: it requires scraping thousands of acres of desert habitat. To get 900 megawatts, Stirling Energy Systems proposes to cover 7,000 acres of desert in Imperial Valley with solar collectors. The project you mention in your next comment would also have to cover 7,000 acres to get 1,000 megawatts. This may be appropriate on already disturbed land, or fallowed farmland in Imperial County.

I used to think that the solar collectors would merely create shade over undisturbed habitat, but if you look at photos of the existing solar facility at Kramer Junction in the Mojave, you'll see that this is not the case. The land is scraped bare. Not only does this destroy the habitat, but it creates a dust problem, which Imperial Valley already has enough of.

Why is desert habitat important? Beyond the fact that desert plants and animals are uniquely adapted for the harsh conditions in which they live, and beyond the fact that many of these habitats are already threatened by a variety of impacts, there's this: intact desert habitats store carbon, at a rate similar to temperate forests. I think you'll agree that we wouldn't cut down a forest to install a solar facility. Intact habitats, including those in the desert, are one of our best defenses against global warming.

Some sites in the desert may be appropriate for solar power, particularly those that are already disturbed and that are close to existing transmission (like the IAUS facility you mention). What we don't need is a willy-nilly rush to build vast solar farms in the desert, regardless of the habitats they would destroy.

To find out more about the value of desert habitats, go to

As Don points out, urban rooftops and parking lots are better places for solar power. And this photovoltaic solar power is catching up both in affordability and size to the thermal solar power generators proposed for the desert. A recent article put the price at around 9 to 12 cents per kilowatt-hour for newly developed "thin film" photovoltaics. This is the technology Southern California Edison will use in a 250-megawatt installation on commercial rooftops in Los Angeles and the Inland Empire. (A well respected energy industry newsletter covered these developments, available here:

The same article put the price of conventional solar trough generators at 14 cents per kilowatt-hour. If accurate, the price quoted by IAUS beats this considerably.


Don Bauder July 31, 2008 @ 5:38 p.m.

Response to post #17: SDG&E is, after all, a utility. You can expect it to make a profit. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder July 31, 2008 @ 5:43 p.m.

Response to post #18: Yes, desert solar power creates problems, and not just in parks such as Anza Borrego. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 1, 2008 @ 6:26 a.m.

Response to post #21: That's what this blog is all about. Best, Don Bauder


rickeysays July 31, 2008 @ 11:35 p.m.

Thanks LH for all the great resources. I just spent hours educating myself and I now understand the opposition to the powerline. It's not needed, not a smart investment, and not the best way to move forward in addressing our continuing energy needs. It's just a way for Sempra to get the electricity it generates from gas in Mexico to SD and LA. I now agree with the opposition. I encourage anyone else who, like I was, is wondering what the hubbub is about, to follow the links and read up.


Anon92107 Aug. 1, 2008 @ 2:46 a.m.

Response to post #19:

Don, does it ever occur to you while you are enjoying your G&S CDs or DVDs in Colorado that we in California are enjoying drinking up your water and using power from fossil fuel plants polluting your environment?

We wish to take this opportunity to thank you for your sacrifices on our behalf, our gluttony is unlimited which you folks in Colorado help make possible to satisfy at your expense.

Until California uses up resources from other states there is nothing the state legislature, the CPUC and utilities like SDG&E really have to do to meet our power and water demands within our own state.

Besides, we make more profit by delaying decisions and doing nothing for our own long term future, so nuclear power and desalination plants along our own coast can be put off as long a you continue to enjoy G&S.

Have a nice day :)


Don Bauder Aug. 1, 2008 @ 6:30 a.m.

Response to post #22: Oh yes, Coloradans discuss the diversion of water all the time. Also, the smoke from California fires pours in here, too, obscuring our views of the Rockies. Best, Don Bauder


Fred Williams Aug. 1, 2008 @ 8:20 a.m.

Re. #21

Ricky, you are a rare creature. You ask reasonable questions, and with the information you get, actually spend the time to read up and come to a conclusion based on the evidence.

I suspect you are not in professional politics.

You should be. We surely need more people in public office who can actually evaluate a position based on the merits, instead of making up their minds first and then looking for reasons to justify it.

You made my day, Ricky. Seriously.

On most blogs it's just preaching to the choir, and you've shown that sometimes here at Don Bauder's Scam Diego what we write about can make a difference.

Thank you Lhogue for posting the resources. Good job!



MarkScha Aug. 1, 2008 @ 8:49 a.m.

Don, I seem to remember there already is a diversion tunnel that takes Colorado River water east of the Front Range. It's called Big Thompson Project.


Don Bauder Aug. 1, 2008 @ 11:25 a.m.

Response to post #26: Yes, Ricky is a rarity. But would a thinking person get elected to political office? Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 1, 2008 @ 11:36 a.m.

Response to post #26: I'm not aware of that; I haven't studied Colorado water. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 1, 2008 @ 12:48 p.m.

Response to post #24: Don, you have proven NORC, and admitted it even applies to Don Bauder to allow one to focus on G&S, Wagner, Dvorak et al.

It is most certainly much more profitable to expose corruption than to do something about it, especially with:

San Diego Political Motto: Democracy For Sale

San Diego Courts Motto: Corruption 'R' Us

Taxpayer Motto (whether we like it or not): UCAN Fleece Us

But it's well documented repeatedly in history books that

Avarice is the heart and soul of a capitalist democracy and

Corruption maximizes profits

There shall always be corrupt judges and politicians who continue to guarantee the perpetuation of Cashocracy (formerly Aristocracy).

It’s all in the history books, and Don Bauder's columns because NORC.


Fred Williams Aug. 1, 2008 @ 2:18 p.m.


Take a breather buddy. All of us are mightily pissed off at the situation.

Yet we can also mix in a little fun too. As you've seen, sometimes that mix ends up in surprising places...and that's totally normal for blogs.

Some places have moderators that delete anything that isn't germane. They'll label it "thread hijacking", which is a wonderful term.

But as long as Don doesn't mind things veering off course now and then, it's okay, my friend. If he changes his mind, he can call us to task and tell us to focus on the matter at hand.




Don Bauder Aug. 1, 2008 @ 3:17 p.m.

Response to post #29: Yes, avarice is the heart and soul of a capitalist democracy, but it is also the heart and soul of socialist, communist, mercantilist, whatever systems. We will never get rid of greed, just as we will never purge ourselves of lust. But I agree that greed has gone berserk since the 1980s. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 1, 2008 @ 3:19 p.m.

Response to post #30: I don't mind it when we veer off course. It's often fun. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 2, 2008 @ 2:39 a.m.

Response to post #30 & 32:

Fred and Don, it appears that I may not have made my main point clear. I have not veered off course but am really addressing the root causes of problems Don addressed in this blog and so many others because these root causes are common denominators that far too many citizens fail to grasp and become outraged about in our docile NORC culture.

Specifically, all of the problems I stated in post #29 above apply directly to why SDG&E executives have been able to fleece the ratepayers, enabled by San Diego’s "Cashocracy," "Brash Cash," "big bucks cabal," "Bloodsuckers," etc. as characterized by Don, by controlling our politicians, our judges, the CPUC, etc.

I had hoped you would have understood that these root cause reasons are common denominators to the out of control San Diego based corruption exposed by Don in all of his columns and blogs, and I hope I have clarified that now.

Fred, I am sorry if I upset you by my response to your request "Anon, please do me a favor. Contact Leibham's campaign ---" but I am in the 53rd district and have more than enough problems with Susan Davis’s failures. Democrats like Davis and republicans like Bilbray are two of the reasons I am registered as a non-partisan, they are two of the many causes of our leaderless and useless congress, reasons why American Democracy is in grave jeopardy. Besides, Leibham is another democrat and a member of the court system so I am most skeptical about him, his campaign rhetoric is all too similar to that of Davis, Bilbray and all of the currently elected failures in American Democracy.


Don Bauder Aug. 2, 2008 @ 6:36 a.m.

Response to post #33: About 75 years ago, Congressmen were aptly described as the best money could buy. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 3, 2008 @ 6:43 a.m.

Response to post #47: Neither Shames personally nor his organization, UCAN, had a windfall from that settlememt. It might have seemed low to you, but remember: the City is broke. Best, Don Bauder


paul Aug. 2, 2008 @ 7:35 a.m.


This is amazing. The PUC has actually found that SDG&E deliberately misstated facts about the Sunrise Powerlink to the commission, and has given them 15 days to explain, formally and under oath, why sanctions should not be imposed.

I wonder if this is why they wanted Bob Kittle to write that nasty editorial in the UT about Michael Shames and UCAN two weeks ago. SDG&E must have known this was coming.


Don Bauder Aug. 2, 2008 @ 12:13 p.m.

Response to post #35: I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it happened. Shames may have discovered the lie. It's typical San Diego. Remember that John Moores sued Bruce Henderson for malicious prosecution (eventually settling for $1). I have always thought that was retaliation for Bruce learning about Moores cutting former Councilmember Valerie Stallings in on a hot stock that he controlled. The stock roared upward and he told her to sell it almost at the high. Then he got back at Henderson for a completely unrelated reason. Best, Don Bauder


Fred Williams Aug. 2, 2008 @ 12:23 p.m.

Anon, you should run for office. Your writing never upsets me. I agree, mostly, with what you write. My reaction, in agreement is to suggest you take action.

If you don't like any of the candidates, (and don't forget the Libertarians or Greens), then you have to recruit qualified people, or finding none run for office yourself.

None of my favored candidates this year are perfect, nor can I think of one that I'm in one hundred percent agreement with.

That's okay. I'll settle for a bit of respectful listening and thoughtful questioning when I state my case. For example, I like and respect Bob Filner even though about twenty years ago he was quite nasty to me face to face. Filner also sort of blew me off a month or so back when I tried to express my concern about the radar and rocket installations in central europe. He gave me a blithe "voters don't care, so I don't care" brush off. (At least he listened and responded to me, thank you kindly Congressman.)

Well, the new Russian Ambassador to the U.S. cares, and he's going to exact a price over this issue. He's the same badass who represented the Russians in the negotiations on this issue and it's not going away. Also, the Czech public is likely to force a referendum on this highly unpopular plan and vote it down. I know Filner's time is limited, but I predict it's going to matter for a long time.

So we differ. But I still prefer to have Filner in office because on other issues I agree strongly with him. He's certainly smarter than Duke, but I can certainly say that Bob sometimes comes off as a stuck up jerk, while Duke was always a guy you wanted to hang around with and listen to his stories.

I've sometimes thought of writing Cunningham a letter in prison, because I think he could have "lawyered up" and gotten much less time. Instead, he at least had the decency to plead guilty and step down.

Politics is sometimes a contact sport, where you hit, and other times you get hit, but you have to get into the arena as Teddy R. said, to have even a small effect.

I urge you to stop being anonymous and put yourself out there.




Anon92107 Aug. 2, 2008 @ 12:24 p.m.

Response to post #34: "About 75 years ago, Congressmen were aptly described as the best money could buy." Actually elected representatives have been described this way since the beginning of democracy in 6th century B.C. Athens. That's why fighting back against "Bloodsuckers" has a long tradition of failing due to corrupt politicians and courts that overthrow the rule of law.

Most recently the U-T Bloodsucker constituency who re-elected Bush also re-elected Sanders, they are willing to sellout democracy without ever thinking about what they are doing as frequently recorded in the history books. This is why Kittle has been so effective with the U-T constituency who vote the way his "Ballot Recommendations" instruct them to vote and a consequence is that SDG&E continues to fleece customers even if they lie (as paul's post #35 reports).


Fred Williams Aug. 2, 2008 @ 12:25 p.m.

Paul at #35, thank you for the link.

It's not surprising they lied.

It's surprising the PUC was willing to say so. Wow!


mshames Aug. 2, 2008 @ 2:31 p.m.

Not so surprising, actually. It was the CPUC staff that drove this action. I know that the CPUC staff has been very irritated by SDG&E’s pattern of dissembling during this case – even the Judge lost it a few times because of his impatience with SDG&E’s misrepresentations – and I think the PUC action is more a result of this pattern of deception that finally reached a boiling point. In May, SDG&E and PUC staff finally agreed to a southern route that avoided all tribal land. However, weeks later, in its ex parte meetings with Commissioners, SDG&E chose to conceal from the Commissioners the agreement that it had reached with CPUC staff about being able to route the line away from the tribal lands. This was probably the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back and compelled the CPUC staff to push for some sanctions. It was a long time coming, given the remarkable record of dissembling that in which SDG&E been engaging throughout this case.


Don Bauder Aug. 2, 2008 @ 3:17 p.m.

Response to post #37: Any politician should be concerned about those rockets in Central Europe. Nuclear proliferation is one of the world's biggest problems. Nuclear or not, those rockets present a threat. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 2, 2008 @ 3:19 p.m.

Response to post #38: Yes, politicians were called crooks long before Will Rogers and H.L. Mencken. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 2, 2008 @ 3:21 p.m.

Response to post #38: Every once in awhile, the PUC represents the public and not the companies. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 2, 2008 @ 3:23 p.m.

Response to post #40: Thank you for clearing this up, Michael. SDG&E/Sempra has displayed a pattern of lying in these powerlink hearings, apparently. Best, Don Bauder


Fred Williams Aug. 2, 2008 @ 7:28 p.m.

Re: #40. Thanks Michael, not only for clearing up the point at issue, but for your years of representing and protecting us all.


Don Bauder Aug. 2, 2008 @ 7:43 p.m.

Response to post #45: Agreed. Bravo. Best, Don Bauder


LeftistTraitor Aug. 3, 2008 @ 4:25 a.m.

Is that the same Shames that recently (relatively) sued the City over wastewater rates? The settlement from which seemed like a paltry sum indicative of a lawyer making money off the City in the name of the people?


Anon92107 Aug. 3, 2008 @ 4:39 a.m.

Response to post #44:

Indeed Don, it's way past due time to take fighting back to protect the people of San Diego from the bloodsuckers to a whole new level.

For far too long We The People have been in the watch and do nothing subservient mode while people like Felsinger, Sanders, Moores, McMillan, Davies and the rest of our bloodsucker aristocracy get away with satisfying their personal avarice even at the expense of sacrificing the quality of life of every family in San Diego.

The Reader has proven to be the only news source in San Diego that is ready, willing and able to make the right things happen for your readers and the people of San Diego, so let the battle to fight back and eradicate the bloodsuckers begin with special editions of The Reader.


Don Bauder Aug. 3, 2008 @ 6:47 a.m.

Response to post #48: Yes, there is a massive shift of wealth and income from poor and middle class San Diegans to the superrich with corporate welfare as the vehicle. The Reader is doing all it can to point this out. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 3, 2008 @ 10:34 a.m.

Response to post #50:

Don the problem we have is this, NOTHING HAS WORKED SO FAR, so we must try something new now.

Even San Diego’s Best Champions like Aguirre and Frye are negated by corrupt courts and continuous Goebbelesque editorials, opinions, political hate propaganda in the Union-Tribune.

The most hideous irony is that there is no one doing “Watchdog” investigations of the Union-Tribune itself. The fact is that the U-T owner, the U-T Bloodsucker Establishment and their puppet editorial board are more responsible for all the problems that San Diego has today than any other San Diego entity.

We must try something new now, so why not start with a special Bloodsucker Edition featuring reprints of your Best of the Best Investigative Reports on the Worst of the Worst San Diego Bloodsuckers?

The Reader must find a way to wake up the NORCs and get us outraged enough about all the corrupt bloodsucker attacks against our American Way of Life and American Democracy that we take overwhelming action at last, like recall Sanders, put Murphy in the same jail cell as Cunningham, expose "Brash Cash" Davies “big bucks cabal" judges who have overthrown the Rule of Law, etc.


paul Aug. 3, 2008 @ 11:11 p.m.

UCAN asked for $5 million. I am not sure what they actually got.

$5 million out of 40 is 12.5%. If I remember correctly, the lawyers for the city in it's various audit related lawsuits got a full 1/3. I believe that 12.5% for legal work is relatively cheap as far as class action lawsuits go.

The settlement didn't "just change how fees were collected". It returned the $40 million to the ratepayers (35 after legal fees, as you noted) AND it changed the way fees were collected in the future so they would be legal.


Don Bauder Aug. 3, 2008 @ 1:55 p.m.

Response to post #51: Both Matt Potter and I have done a lot on the Union-Tribune. There is more to be done, we realize. Best, Don Bauder


LeftistTraitor Aug. 3, 2008 @ 7:54 p.m.

I seem to recall the original claim was about 200 million...the settlement around 35 million, and Shames (or his organization) got about 5 million. But I guess the only way to know if it was a "windfall" would be to find out how much work they put into the lawsuit. Although I'm not sure how you know it WASN'T a "windfall" without the same information.

As for the City being broke...I believe the settlement just changed how fees were collected between rate I'm not sure how that applies.

BUT, this all is a bit off topic I guess. Thanks for the great article on the Sunrise Powerlink.


Anon92107 Aug. 4, 2008 @ 3:16 a.m.

Response to post #52:

I always appreciate what you and Matt have tried Don, but since Sanders was re-elected it taught us the most important lesson again that we what we are doing is not working and we must try new ways to keep from continuously being screwed as citizens and taxpayers by the corrupt cabal that rules San Diego.

As you frequently indicate, the citizens and taxpayers are continuously screwed and there really is no hope for your Gen Y readers the way things keep going.

Thus the overwhelming fact of life in San Diego remains that the U-T editorial policy keeps winning and the families of San Diego keep losing to the bloodsuckers.

The only other group that wins besides the bloodsuckers is the scumbag court community as noted in posts 53 & 54, San Diego courts are permanently corrupt because their policy is to award $Millions to lawyers who overthrow the Rule of Law along with the court.

If The Reader can’t come up with a special edition with the power of the Declaration of Independence your readers, taxpayers, and families in San Diego shall be forever screwed by an aristocratic cashocracy that is as corrupt and destructive today as it was in 1776.


Don Bauder Aug. 4, 2008 @ 6:31 a.m.

Response to post #53: I trust Shames will submit a post explaining how the settlement went down: what percentage the law firm got, what UCAN got (if anything), how the methods were changed. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 4, 2008 @ 6:33 a.m.

Response to post #54: I would think the law firm got significantly more than 12.5 percent. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 4, 2008 @ 6:36 a.m.

Response to post #55: We may shed light on corruption but almost all the money is lined up on its side. That explains election outcomes. Best, Don Bauder


LeftistTraitor Aug. 4, 2008 @ 11:34 p.m.

Oh well if you got a "bunch of documents" then obviously they did a lot of work....


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 7:25 a.m.

Response to post #85: San Diego should watch the Orange County experience closely. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 4, 2008 @ 11:50 a.m.

Response to posts #56 57 58:

Heck Don, let's face it, corruption has gotten so bad in San Diego that we need consumer protection from UCAN lawyers in addition to Sempra’s executive bloodsuckers, in addition to all the other bloodsuckers you write about.

Help! We’re drowning in a tsunami of bloodsucker lawyers, judges, businessmen and the U-T thrown in on top of that pile of you know what.

Please Send Help Soon! We can no longer tell the bloodsuckers from the champions, except for champions like Aguirre, Frye and Bauder (I think?).

Why is it the more bloodsuckers you expose, the more numerous they get and the more they keep winning and fleecing and destroying San Diego!?

Can it be that you are actually producing chapters almost everyday for a book:

“How To Fleece San Diegans To Death For Profit With Impunity For Dummies”

with chapters like:

--- How to get re-elected Mayor after causing out of control firestorm deaths and destruction while repeating the lessons of history by becoming San Diego's very own Nero v.21c

--- How to maximize corruption and overthrow the Rule of Law by overruling the City Attorney every time he tries to protect taxpayers and families in San Diego

That really ought to be a Best Seller primer for the bloodsucker culture.


Don Bauder Aug. 4, 2008 @ 12:10 p.m.

Response to post #59: That's pollution for you. The more you try to eradicate it, the more noxious it becomes. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 9:06 a.m.

Response to post #89: This website page is must reading. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 4, 2008 @ 12:45 p.m.

Response to post #60:

I hope you publish a book before the election Don, at least including your Best investigative reports on the Worst Bloodsuckers in San Diego.

If you could include a special chapter on judges who overrule Aguirre that would be useful in supporting Aguirre's campaign.

BTW, is banned in China?

Being banned in China should be a most positive accolade for demonstrating highest level of journalistic integrity.

It would be a higher honor than the Pulitzer that has been degraded by the U-T's bogus prize for reporting on the most corrupt congressman that U-T ever championed.

The real truth was that the U-T watched and did nothing, looking the other way for years until it became obvious he was out of control even more than the GOP could stand.

Re a previous comment by you Don: it should have been no surprise to anyone that he was stupid, the navy never promoted him to Captain because they knew it all along.


Don Bauder Aug. 4, 2008 @ 3 p.m.

Response to post #61: Some pretty dumb people get big promotions in the military. Still, it makes sense that if you aren't smart enough for the Navy, you are probably smart enough for Congress. Best, Don Bauder


LeftistTraitor Aug. 4, 2008 @ 4:18 p.m.

Thanks for that info paul...but I don't think that is entirely correct. No one got a lump sum payment (except perhaps Shames) so it isn't really accurate to say 40 million was returned to ratepayers (in this case ratepayers being single family residences). But any liability on the sewer system is probably spread across to all ratepayers. So as single family residential customers get a credit each month or so, the cost burden is being shifted to businesses (and probably multi family residences...and probably, a bit back to single family residences).

As far as the 12.5% being a modest sum...again I go back to wondering what they actually did besides file a lawsuit. The case could be made that they filed the lawsuit so they should get whatever % a lawyer usually gets...but don't you think a better measure of a "windfall" is $/hour worked?


Anon92107 Aug. 4, 2008 @ 5:36 p.m.

Response to post #63:

LT, yes, the facts are that single-family water and sewer customers were screwed by the San Diego City Council that forced us to subsidize bloodsucker business customers for a decade.

Shames' attorneys were "awarded" a totally larcenous $5 million of the totally unacceptable $40 million corrupt judicial settlement. The settlement was a mere fraction of the $120 million that Aguirre said in September 2005 should have been credited to residential ratepayers for overcharge corruption against residential customers.

There can be no justice when lawyers get $Millions for one case when the vast majority of San Diegans cannot even hope to earn enough to save $1Million in a lifetime of work. This corrupt settlement proved again that justice in San Diego favors the bloodsucker class and whoever has the best lawyers wins, thus San Diego ratepayers are screwed most frequently by the City or SDG&E because of UCAN failures and judicial attacks against Aguirre.

The Revolutionary War was fought to end this kind of corruption in America, but the corruption is accelerating out of control again due to corrupt courts throughout American today as former Supreme Justice O’Connor warned in her opinion which documented that cashocracy corruption and judicial overthrow of the Rule of Law throughout America is the greatest threat to American Democracy again today as it was in 1776.


Don Bauder Aug. 4, 2008 @ 7:48 p.m.

Response to post #63: The outside lawyer on the case did a lot of work, I can attest. I can remember getting a bunch of documents that he faxed and mailed to me. I don't think UCAN made money on the suit, although I'm sure it recovered its costs. If I am wrong, I would appreciate being corrected. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 4, 2008 @ 7:51 p.m.

Response to post #64: There is no question that several city councils, along with mayors and bureaucrats, screwed San Diegans for years by giving lower rates to business customers than residential customers. It took Donna Frye to smoke it out and force it out into the open. Then Mayor Dick Murphy told some fibs along the way to support his business friends. She finally won. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 5, 2008 @ 9:03 a.m.

Response to post # 68: Visigots and Vandals, V&V. That sums up the San Diego judiciary, in your judgment. V&V should go down with LOL and BTW. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 5, 2008 @ 9:01 a.m.

Response to post #67: I realize a "bunch of documents" is not enough. But I can attest that the lawyer, Eric Benink, did a lot of work on the case. I talked with him a number of times on it. Donna Frye gets credit for blowing the issue out of the water, despite the opposition of the establishment. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 5, 2008 @ 3:55 a.m.

Response to post #66:

:) LT, as the new old saying goes, with friends like Shames, Sanders, San Diego judges, Sempra and the U-T Bloodsucker Establishment, who needs enemies?

They rob us, threaten our lives, destroy our property, screw up our water, crash and burn our future, and overthrow our Democracy just like history keeps telling us that bloodsuckers have always done since people started living in communities.

The fact is that we stopped evolving millennia ago when the first homo sapiens bloodsuckerus started raping and pillaging cities, and they have never stopped.

From Goths, Visigoths and Vandals to judges, politicians, CEOs and the U-T. All of our institutions have failed us and humanity, and there is no way anyone can fix them as long as our courts continue to overthrow the Rule of Law.


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 7:18 a.m.

Response to post #83: This is going to be a hot topic for some time, as it was the last time it came to the fore. Best, Don Bauder


Fred Williams Aug. 5, 2008 @ 11:34 a.m.

Sorry to insert a little historical accuracy, but The Vandals are from Orange County, not San Diego.


And who's this Gibbon fella who's monkeying around and declining and falling his way all over town. When I get declined, I just put my credit card back in my wallet and leave...I don't fall down.

Finally, Goths are not threatening. They are just misunderstood youngsters who over-do it on the mascara and empathy thing. Really, they're harmless.

I'm glad I could contribute my valuable knowledge to this serious and timely topic. Now I'm off to the ballpork for "Bread and Circus" Day. It's a cooperative promotion by the government and the sports team to cheer us all up and get us through these difficult times.

Oughta's the traditional way to deal with civic issues, ain't it?


paul Aug. 5, 2008 @ 12:08 p.m.


More on historical accuracy; the true Vandals are from Idaho.

I am pretty sure the Visigoths are a mid-major, probably in the Missouri Valley Conference, but you are at least partially correct, because nobody in the MVC really scares anybody. They do wear a lot of eye-black, though.


Don Bauder Aug. 5, 2008 @ 1:58 p.m.

Response to post #71: The Romans' notion that all you have to give the proletariat is bread and circuses was an argument used for pouring $300 million of public money into the ballpark. In San Diego, Moores got the bread and citizens are still paying for the circuses. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 5, 2008 @ 2 p.m.

Response to post #72: Visigoths should wear eye makeup -- definitely. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 5, 2008 @ 4:24 p.m.

Response to posts #70-74: Gad, I tried to bring a little historical perspective into the discussion, and I got what I deserved.

But at least the U-T rantitorial ran true to form this morning by savaging Aguirre again for daring to be the one lawyer in San Diego who serves the families and taxpayers of San Diego instead of the dark ages cashocracy.

So now we have deadly and destructive firestorms for the entertainment of "Nero" Sanders, hospitals that kill patients with problems they didn't go into the hospital with, American Bridges Falling Down is the new version of London Bridges Falling Down, we have a whole new breed of flippers for the suckers who are still born every minute that don't have mortgages yet, neither the republicans nor the democrats are helping We The People, while the President is in China kowtowing to his Chinese Communist masters because they own the mortgage to America, American Heroes and Patriots still die for Washington's never-ending failures in leadership, consumer advocate lawyers are like vampires guarding virgins while they protect the bloodsuckers (business ratepayers) instead of the virgins (residential ratepayers), the U-T "Watchdog" continues to look the other way while bloodsuckers fleece in front of its eyes, and no one accepts any responsibility or accountability for larceny of public funds because of an aristocratically corrupt judiciary that is creating a whole new dark age.

How much worse does it have to get before the NORCers wake up and fight back? By now this is most obviously a rhetorical question for sure, as Gilda used to say "Never Mind" and "It's Always Something."


paul Aug. 5, 2008 @ 4:35 p.m.

Aguirre will be savaged in another UT editorial very soon for his challenge of mayor Sander's lobbying for the Poseidon desal plant in Carlsbad. It seems that Sanders is also foot dragging the San Diego GWR (toilet to tap) pilot project in an effort to help Poseidon. Poseidon has strong ties with Tom Shephard and his people, and the full backing of Sanders.

Orange County has a GWR plant that at full capacity will pump out 250 million gallons of clean water a day for around $600 per acre foot. The Poseidon desal plant would generate 50 million gallons a day at a claimed price of about $900 per acre foot (but which in reality could be as high as $1500 per acre foot) while increasing damage through reusing the obsolete and no longer allowed intake pipes from the old power plant. Destruction of the coastline aside, the Poseidon plant would be nonviable if we had GWR. Any surprise that it is being suppressed by the mayor and his people?

The web of corruption in San Diego is amazing. It just goes on and on. You couldn't make this stuff up.


LeftistTraitor Aug. 5, 2008 @ 5:54 p.m.

Well I can't wait for the day that sewage from all of those famous San Diego biotechs gets recycled into drinking water. I've been meaning to boost my intake of chlorinated solvents, nanoparticles, waste pharmaceuticals, and artificial hormones.

As far as Donna Frye goes...I seem to recall prior to the sewer charge restructure, when ISP trotted all their employees before the council...that her reason for voting for change was something to the effect that financially they didn't have a choice. I don't remember hearing any heroics on her part. But it seems that was years and years ago...and I certainly apologize if I am remembering this incorrectly.

And I don't know who Erik Benink is, the City's website lists Shames as the attorney I think...but I must admit I don't know a lot about how that all works. But you did mention Shames (or UCAN or Benink now maybe) may make a post explaining what went down...anyone want to take bets it won't have anything justifying their %?


paul Aug. 5, 2008 @ 6:14 p.m.


They are already doing GWR in OC and claiming it is a great success. What are they doing about all of their biotech waste? Is it affecting the water they are putting back into their system?

Also, do you think there is no chemical discharge of any kind into the Colorado before it gets here? I am sure the mining in Colorado, Utah and Arizona has zero impact on the quality of Colorado river water, right? From what I have heard they only use the very friendliest of non-toxic chemicals to leach mine tailings. :(

This is not uncharted territory. There is no boogey man. PBS did a good News Hour special comparing San Diego and OC ( I particularly agree with this statement about the politically connected opponents of GWR in San Diego (Sanders, Tom Shephard, et al):

BRUCE REZNIK, San Diego Coastkeeper: "I think they foment the criticism and the fear that they claim to be responding to."


Don Bauder Aug. 5, 2008 @ 6:16 p.m.

Response to post #75: The U-T will never understand that one reason (a small reason) its circulation is plummeting is the waging of the interminable vendetta against Aguirre. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 5, 2008 @ 6:19 p.m.

Response to post #76: Since the U-T editorial page does whatever the establishment tells it to do, you are no doubt right. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 5, 2008 @ 6:21 p.m.

Response to post #77: Shames may have been listed as the attorney, but Benink was the outside attorney. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 5, 2008 @ 6:27 p.m.

Response to post #78: Shepard may be lobbying his own client (Sanders) on this one. Sanders may wind up with -- well, you know -- on his face. Best, Don Bauder


LeftistTraitor Aug. 5, 2008 @ 7:16 p.m.

Well Paul, by that logic I would think smoking cigarettes is safe provided I just started smoking in January and had not yet gotten sick. Ingesting toxic chemicals in low doses can take a long time to manifest problems. All of those pollutants I mentioned are in the wastewater, and treatment will not remove them all. And I'm not sure how OC is structured, but there is a huge concentration of biotechs around the City's recycling plant...I wonder how concentrated they are in OC (I really have no idea).

As far as pollutants in our water already from upstream discharges...well I guess if they are already there, then there is no harm adding more right? Also, as far as I know, no one is proposing pumping treated sewage all the way out of State to take advantage of natural purification before it gets back to San Diego so the upstream argument is fairly misleading. And mine tailings I can take...most of those chemicals (heavy metals?) are probably settled out if they make it to the water treatment plant. But I suppose they could have started using experimental chemicals that mimic hormones in mines as they do in San Diego labs...but I doubt it. That link by the way was an interesting. Here is my favorite excerpt:

"They suggest future research should focus on determining the toxicological significance of trace occurrence of various contaminants to establish sensible analytical detection limits and treatment goals."

As a regular tap water consumer...I'd rather wait for research on toxicological significance to be finished first before I'll believe it is "highly unlikely" to be dangerous.

Finally...San Diego will have enough trouble making current recycled water usable as salt levels in water continue to rise...indirect potable reuse is getting a bit ahead of the game.

Thanks for the link again though...good stuff.


paul Aug. 5, 2008 @ 9:58 p.m.


I think you are straying far from the point that the proposed alternative to GWR in San Diego is desalination of sea water. That is some mighty pure water they will be sucking in off the Agua Hedionda lagoon, so I can see why you would prefer it at 2-3 times the price over GWR water.

BTW, the water from the OC GWR is pumped into an aquifer where it spends years going through the additional "natural purification" you were complaining that it lacked. I assume that San Diego would likewise pump the water into lakes and aquifers where it would be diluted and also go through a prolonged natural purification process.

The fact that we are down stream from lots of sources of pollution on the Colorado and have drunk from the tap for generations, dispels your "January smoker" argument. San Diegans have been drinking crappy water for many decades and live to tell the tale. GWR will most likely be an improvement.

If salt levels get too high, we will just pipe it over to one of Tom Shephards desalination plants.


LeftistTraitor Aug. 5, 2008 @ 11:17 p.m.

Yes, I agree it is a bit off point of a comparison from desal. I never meant to compare the two...way over my head. But considering how much many people pay for bottled water (hundreds to thousands of dollars more expensive than tap) I doubt people in general will protest much. Of course thats a small % of overall water I said...over my head.

And, yes, OC pumps their wastewater underground. I believe this is mainly to prevent saltwater intrusion. But I've never heard anyone in San Diego making the same suggestion here, I imagine for geological reasons that are also probably way over my head. But in January, OC began a different indirect potable resuse (I thought that is what you were talking about since it is similar to the proposals I have heard in San Diego). And thus I believe it is too soon to say it is safe because no one has gotten sick yet.

Upstream sources of pollution are probably several times as far away as local lakes that would be receiving treated wastewater. And again San Diego has many Biotech R&D companies in close proximity to the recycling plant...all contributing solvents, new nanoparticle pollutants, experimental hormone chemicals...none of which will spend as much time going through natural purification that we see upstream on the Colorado. And I'll just repeat...just because you already consume pollutants in your drinking water doesn't mean it is ok to consume even more.


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 7:22 a.m.

Response to post #84: So true. Colorado River water is not pure. San Diegans have been drinking it for ages. The argument gets a little silly at times. That name "toilet to tap" is so effective politically -- effective invective, as it were. Best, Don Bauder


erq Aug. 6, 2008 @ 7:56 a.m.


Thanks for your ongoing commentaries and your continued advocacy of sanity - a much needed counterbalance!

About five years ago, I met a former NASA astronaut and brilliant physicist who indicated there was a whole range of revolutionary energy technology solutions, which both the general public and the majority of our world's would-be experts and pundits are totally unaware of. Because of his credentials and some of my own related background information, I decided to investigate.

Several years ago, I agreed to serve, on a voluntary basis, as "Southern California Coordinator" for a related non-profit initiative, to help educate the public about these topics.

As someone who spends winter months in Borrego Springs, I have been especially sickened by the Sempra proposal to run power lines thru the pristine desert back-country. More generally, I'm convinced that this whole scheme is totally unnecessary, and has been promoted under false pretences from day one.

Recently, I put together a page on one of my websites, offering an overview of this little-known "revolutionary energy technology" landscape. This information will be a real eye-opener for most who encounter it for the first time. The page address is;


Fred Williams Aug. 6, 2008 @ 9:37 a.m.

There's no more or less water on the world today than in the past. It's a closed system. H2O molecules are fungible, and it's likely one molecule that passed through George Washington is in my system right now.

So the question is its location and quality. Consider how much we have debased not only our fresh water but also the world's salt water, we had better get on with technologies for cleaning water whether we like it or not.

Yet we have come nowhere close to mitigating our usage of water. We're still grass farming in the deserts, sprinkling golf courses and growing water intensive crops like rice where we oughtn't.

The imbalanced pricing of water must be reworked to reflect today's urban realities, rather than an emerging agricultural exporting California of a hundred years ago. The incentives to agriculture have done their bit, and now it's time to renegotiate and rethink based on what we know from recent advancements in life science.

As Don says, this issue is not going away. In fact, it only becomes more important with time, quick fixes, and neglect.




Anon92107 Aug. 6, 2008 @ 11:33 a.m.

Response to post #79:

Back to Sempra/SDG&E if it's OK, there is still a lot to be uncovered about totally unacceptable cultural values of Sempra Chairman and CEO Don Felsinger to explain his failures to serve the interests of the ratepayers and San Diego families by his SDG&E subsidiary.

Felsinger is the typical San Diego bloodsucker executive you expose in every column Don, he accepts no responsibility and accountability for his failures to serve families and ratepayers of San Diego honestly, especially his failure to provide for reliable long-term electric service at lowest possible cost.

Risk to San Diego families and ratepayers has been out of control since the scenario that led to the 2000 San Diego Energy Crisis, which we are still suffering the consequences of today due to the failure in leadership cultural role model set by Felsinger and his predecessors like Steve Baum (a lawyer) who as usual are dedicated first and foremost to personal avarice regardless of consequences to the ratepayers and communities they serve. And they get away with it because of corrupt CPUC President Peevey, corrupt courts and totally incompetent and corrupt politicians in Sacramento.

None of these people gives a damn about the economic and social stability that requires long-term low cost energy to meet the needs of the people of San Diego, so the rates shall always be out of control to support their avarice until the courts start honoring their responsibility to the people of San Diego, and California again. This shall never happen the way the out of control consequences of corruption are overwhelming San Diego citizens today.

So our legislature, courts and CPUC allow Sempra/SDG&E to fleece the people with impunity regardless of how incompetent utility CEO/COBs are, because they are immune from public responsibility and accountability due to legalized monopoly fleecing.


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 1:17 p.m.

Response to post #91: Bravo. We have to talk conservation -- severe conservation. The same is true in energy. When discussing alternatives, conservation gets lost. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 1:19 p.m.

Response to post #92: Yes, greed blinds executives and others to the public interest. Best, Don Bauder


anony_mous Aug. 6, 2008 @ 2:10 p.m.

response to 94 Don, While I agree with you completely, let me play devils advocate for a moment. Isn't Sempra's sole reason for existense to produce revenue for it's share holders, which they did to the tune of about 11 billion last year. In those terms, Don Felsinger can hardly be considered an "incompetent utility CEO". That said, it's also not Don Felsinger's job to "serve the interests of the ratepayers and San Diego families". It's also not his job to "provide for reliable long-term electric service at lowest possible cost". His "job" is to make the share holders money. Speaking from your business backround Don, wouldn't you consider electricity a commodity, like say oil? One that is governed by supply and demand. If we didn't crave electricity like a hungry baby craves milk, wouldn't it be a whole different scenario? It doesn't matter how it's generated, solar, wind, coal fired generator, the utility will charge as much as it possibly can. And do you really think Sempra/SDG&E wants to see a county full of residential rooftops filled with PV panels? How much money do people think they will make in that scenario. Right now I have about 60% of my electricity coming from PV panel. By June of next year I should be generating at 100% , with more panels and enough battery storage to handle nitetime usage. Unfortunately though I can't actually disconnect from the grid because of those pesky cloud filled stormy days we have once in awhile. But because my "excess" electricity flows back out onto the grid, when I need it, it doesn't cost me anything. So how does SDG&E reward me? They take that excess electricity I generate and sell it themselves. And if I provide them with more than I need to take back during the course of the year, of coure they don't give me anything for it, they just keep it for free. Ah free enterprise at work. So the only money they will be getting from me is a monthly metering charge and whatever excess power I give them over the course of time. I can't see SDG&E supporting a county full of houses like mine. I just don't see that as a viable business model for them to survive on. I can only see that working on a truly public owned, not for profit utility company such as one I read about recently in Iceland. Definately NOT a scenario capable of survivng here. As for the "corrupt courts and totally incompetent and corrupt politicians in Sacramento" post 92 refers to, how do we fix that? I don't know since we are the ones that put them there. So maybe we should start shouldering some of the responsibility ourselves instead of just throwing it onto someone else.


anony_mous Aug. 6, 2008 @ 2:28 p.m.

response to 93 Don, when considering alternative sources of energy, such as solar or wind which I guess could be considered renewable and non depleting, isn't that in and of itself conservation? I mean if we are not depleting a natural resource such as coal, oil, nat gas etc, then we are practicing conservation. As far as water, I agree with Fred. It's location and quality. SoCal is a desert and we must mitigate our usage of water. Unfortunately some people just don't get it. If you've ever been to Phoenix, you know they could be the model of gluttony when it comes to water usage. Drive thru some of the wealtheir areas, such as Scottsdale, and it's so green you would swear you were in the Pacific Northwest. And a great deal of the water used on that greenery is coming from the Colorado, dercreasing avaiable water to So Cal.


MarkScha Aug. 6, 2008 @ 2:44 p.m.

Trestles, remember LADWP, much closer to home.


anony_mous Aug. 6, 2008 @ 3:19 p.m.

MarkScha Didn't forget them, more like ignored. Seriously though, I was using Phoenix as an example of another desert community that takes a large potion of it's water from a source that SoCal also relies upon. And one that, to the best of my knowledge, is making few if any strides to mitigate their water usage. As I'm sure you're aware, a significant amount of LADWP water comes from the Sierra Nevada and I believe there are fewer intrusions into that supply before it reaches L.A. and then to San Diego. And there is no question tha L.A. does a better job in promoting conservation and more efficient use of water than Phoenix does. Maybe better than San Diego also, I'm not sure. The point is, San Diego doesn't have enough water. It will always be dependant on outside resources for water. The more San Diego can mitigate it's water usage, the less it will be dependant on some of those outside resources, whether that be a water-usage conscious city like L.A. suppling us water they import from the Sierras or the Colorado river, hoping water-gluttonous cities like Phoenix take only their "fair share"


Fred Williams Aug. 6, 2008 @ 3:29 p.m.

Trestles, when you fly into Sky Harbor, just look out the window at the thousands of Tempe and Mesa tract homes, each with its own large outdoor water evaporator and malerial larvae sanctuary* surrounded by a darling mini-grass farm, the produce of which is carefully harvested, bagged, and thrown away each Saturday morning.

We're not much better here in San Diego, ruinously attempting to alter the landscape in a vain host an upper-class sport orignally meant only for grassy scotts highlands, not Pacific coastal desert.

We ought to go to Stage 2 water alert now rather than later. The longer we wait to start conserving, the worse it inevitably will get.


Fred Williams Aug. 6, 2008 @ 3:35 p.m.

  • large outdoor water evaporator and malerial larvae sanctuary = residential back yard swimming pool

Anon92107 Aug. 6, 2008 @ 3:36 p.m.

response to 95:

You must remember first of all that SDG&E is a regulated monopoly that must keep rates as low as possible and service quality as high as necessary to meet the needs of its ratepayers and support positive growth and quality of life for the communities they serve.

But SDG&E is owned and controlled by Sempra, whose executives like Felsinger has as his paramount motivation his overarching lust to satisfy his personal avarice with basically no sense of responsibility and accountability to the community that SDG&E serves.

Thus SDG&E and Sempra are two economic entities that are diametrically opposed as far as serving the best economic interests and quality of life for all San Diego families is concerned.

The bottom line is that Sempra under the likes of Don Felsinger is why San Diego is so severely threatened economically, in addition to the corrupt and destructive practices that Don Bauder exposes almost daily of our political, judicial and business bloodsuckers community that controls the future of San Diego with no sense of responsibility or accountability at all other than the satisfaction of their personal avarice. It’s an economic fact of life.

So as long as San Diegans continue in the NORC mode, and continue to fail to fight back for our own interests, then we shall be forever screwed by the bloodsuckers.


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 3:41 p.m.

Response to post #95: Regulated utilities are supposed to have an obligation to serve the public. That is why they are granted their monopolies. Profit is not their only goal. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 3:44 p.m.

Response to post #96: When I talk conservation, I am talking about lowering usage: driving less, not using the air conditioner, wearing warm clothes instead of turning on heaters, etc. Best, Don Bauider


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 3:47 p.m.

Response to post #97: Just think what would happen to Phoenix if a genuine energy crisis forced people to turn off their air conditioners for half of the day. The place would empty out. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 3:50 p.m.

Response to post #97 (previous one was 96): Yes, LAWPD is the 800 pound gorilla. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 3:53 p.m.

Response to post #98: And what happens when those water sources dry up? Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 3:55 p.m.

Response to post #99: The amount of water wasted by San Diego is a disgrace. The city should be cutting back on all kinds of things, including lawn watering. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 3:57 p.m.

Response to post #100: Good definition. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 6, 2008 @ 3:59 p.m.

Response to post #101: Yes, Sempra is supposed to keep rates low..... Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 7, 2008 @ 2:17 a.m.

Response to post #109: Thanks for confirming that Don, the CPUC seems to have forgotten that fact ever since Peevey took over as California’s Fleecer-In-Chief at about the same time that Sempra shyster Steve Baum took over as Sempra’s Chief Fleecing Officer.

Baum was Felsinger's role model and mentor, so nothing changed in the culture of fleecing at Sempra/SDG&E. Baum was a worst case scenario cause of the 2000 San Diego Energy Crisis and Felsinger has shown no signs of doing any better for the interests of the people of San Diego that SDG&E fleeces for Sempra.

Lee Iacocca’s new book “Where Have All The Leaders Gone?” exposes the destructive scenario of America’s culture of leadership failure that is destroying opportunities and the American Way of Life, and obviously includes Sempra “leaders” like Baum and Felsinger.

Since 2000 alone San Diego has had more than its fair share of SuperBloodsuckers like Felsinger, Baum, Sanders, Murphy, Moores, Dynes, McMillan, Manchester, Brom and far too many many more et als as economic, political and social leaders who have been destroying San Diego’s quality of life.


Don Bauder Aug. 7, 2008 @ 7:33 a.m.

Response to post #110: San Diego obviously needs new business leadership -- less greedy, more civic-conscious. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 7, 2008 @ 12:09 p.m.

Response to post #111: Don, please don't hold your breath on that one, it ain't never going to happen until NORCers wake up and fight back, and that cultural change appears to run contrary to human nature because most people never look ahead as savings stats prove, and it's not getting any easier.

So Felsinger's lust for personal avarice regardless of Firestorm class consequences to their San Diego ratepayers is a root cause of the ongoing decline and fall of San Diego.

Sempra refuses to build plants that provide long term low cost power because it won't maximize bloodsucker profits, which also means we'll never be able to have enough affordable desalination plants to prevent major water shortages as a permanent way of life.

Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown made an interesting observation reported in the L.A. Times this morning, it takes 40 years to really accomplish a permanent change for the better. But, as current events keep proving it takes only a few short years to really screw things up over and over again as proven by Sempra and all the other Firestorm Class SuperBloodsuckers that San Diego in overabundance.


Don Bauder Aug. 7, 2008 @ 3:19 p.m.

Response to post #112: In the current corporate environment, the shareholders are the only constituency that the board worries about. This attitude is prevalent in eras when greed is rampant. In some previous eras, boards have been concerned about other constituencies, such as the community and employees. Today's greed-driven era may be ending. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 8, 2008 @ 2:20 a.m.

Response to post #113:

The only "ending" for this utility greed-driven era that is acceptable is to make sure SuperBloodsuckers like Felsinger and Peevey are never allowed to run Sempra and the CPUC ever again. I don't think so because the Sacramento version of democracy is a total failure.

However, if the electorate should actually wake up and get outraged enough to replace the entire legislature, and congress, then maybe it would end, but the NORCers will never wake up in time to save themselves at the rate things are crashing and burning.

So everyone just keep singing together "Always look on the bright side of life" while Felsinger, Peevey and the legislature continue to crucify the ratepayers with corrupt court granted imperial impunity.


Don Bauder Aug. 8, 2008 @ 6:35 a.m.

Response to post #114: Most of the public is apathetic and won't get aroused until the economy really starts sinking. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 8, 2008 @ 12:03 p.m.

Response to post #115: "Most of the public is apathetic and won't get aroused until the economy really starts sinking."

You'll be sure and warn us well ahead of time won't you Don, because right now I'm still trying to figure out where Mad Money Cramer got his latest things have bottomed theory.

Thanks for admitting "Most of the public is apathetic" which is just another way of saying NORC.


Don Bauder Aug. 8, 2008 @ 12:34 p.m.

Response to post #117: I wouldn't watch Cramer, unless you want to do the reverse of what he recommends. He has a dismal record. He is annoying to watch, too. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 8, 2008 @ 2:40 p.m.

Response to post #117: Thanks for the confirmation Don, I resisted buying at the "bottom" and waited for your assessment.

Now please don't forget to warn us well ahead of time before "the economy really starts sinking" because I keep thinking that the hideous sellout of America by American capitalists exporting production jobs as fast as they can plus population increases that are exacerbating the failure of our economy, thinking that we might be very near some kind of tipping point that threatens to topple over 95% of American taxpayers into indentured servitude as the New American Way Of Life v.21C without any significant industrial economy anymore.

Now back to Sempra Chief Fleecing Officer Felsinger who is selling out San Diego's future as badly as any of the Bloodsucker culture.


Don Bauder Aug. 8, 2008 @ 5:53 p.m.

Response to post #118: It looks like there will be a good move in the stock market here, but I feel it is a bear market rally. The economy has lots of bad news ahead of it. The recession will likely last into 2010. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 9, 2008 @ 2:15 a.m.

Response to post #120:

How can we ever get out of a recession without any significant industrial economy anymore nationally, and with bloodsuckers like Felsinger locally?

We screwed ourselves and we are going to stay screwed as long as we export production and jobs to China so they can become the new world power that America used to be?

Don't bother looking forward to improvements in 2010, the Land of Opportunity has moved to Asia, and we let our own congress sell out America.


LeftistTraitor Aug. 9, 2008 @ 2:16 a.m.

Well it is post #120 and I haven't seen the Shames post you trusted in on #56. Not that it changes the point of the excellent article, but I can't help thinking there is a reason the post never materialized.

Then again, it looks like things have moved on to the Chargers.


Don Bauder Aug. 9, 2008 @ 7:30 a.m.

Response to post #120: Thirty years ago, 26 percent of the economy was manufacturing. It's down to 13 percent. Similarly, 30 years, ago, 10 percent of the economy was financial. Now it's 20 percent. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 9, 2008 @ 7:32 a.m.

Response to post #121: It's true that Shames has not provided the information we asked for. But he is very busy. Best, Don Bauder


Fred Williams Aug. 9, 2008 @ 8:53 a.m.

Back to Spinrise...

One of the reasons Enr..oops, I mean Sempra claims to need their environmentally stupi...oops, I mean sensitive powerline is to provide clean energy to San Diego's residential, government, and business users.

Yet, if our manufacturing base has declined so dramatically, where do we use so much power? In industries such as biotech I can understand and even support the fact that they utilize a lot of power and water, but who else is gobbling up the supply?

I suspect a large proportion of the growth has been due to the increases in automation in our households and offices, rather than the installation of any productive plant equipment.

Wouldn't it be much friendlier to our world if we concentrated our efforts (and our government subsidies) to reducing our power usage rather than augmenting it?

For example, there could and should be a public campaign, led by public officials, to dress warmly in the winter instead of heating buildings. After all, this is San Diego.

Similarly, from May 1st to October 1st, suits and ties ought to be forbidden as office attire for government employees. Turn down the air conditioning, or better turn it off completely and open some windows.

I don't see Enro...ooops, (why do I keep confusing the two?) I mean Sempra doing much to encourage conservation. Instead they have invested in power plan capacity south of the border.

This short video uses Google Earth to show you where these plants are:

Please let Enro...oops, (dang it!), I mean Sempra know your opinions on this plan.


Don Bauder Aug. 9, 2008 @ 11:02 a.m.

Response to post #124: Yes, the answer is to use technology to encourage conservation. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 9, 2008 @ 12:32 p.m.

Response to post #123: I hope he is trying to get the residential ratepayers the entire $120 Million he was supposed to get for us because he still owes residential sewer ratepayers $80 Million that he gave to the business ratepayers instead (I guess consumer advocate means for business consumers only), then he had the audacity to fleece residential ratepayers $5 Million out of the $40 Million for court approved larceny.

I'm actually waiting for your own exposure of Felsinger the Chief Fleecing Officer of Sempra who fleeces residential ratepayers even more than Shames, probably because Shames is doing the same thing to us with power that he did with sewer. The only winners are Felsinger, Shames and the court approved bloodsuckers.

So Felsinger et al. are destroying the quality of life and the economy of San Diego. If you exposed him already, it's time for an update.


Don Bauder Aug. 10, 2008 @ 7:50 a.m.

Response to post #126: You cannot call Shames a winner in this. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 10, 2008 @ 11:11 a.m.

Response to post #127:

I don’t know how much money you have Don but a $5 MILLION FLEECING FEE is a "WINNER" to the rest of us mere citizens who are excluded from that rarified bloodsucker lifestyle of the obscenely rich and infamous who are “awarded” $5MILLION by corrupt San Diego judges who, along with the CPUC and the State Legislature, fleece the residential ratepayers on a regular basis, out of a totally corrupt undersettlement of $40 Million!!!

Don, I apologize if I must upset you with the truth about Shames championing business ratepayers at the expense of never-ending out of control rate increases for residential ratepayers who are constantly forced to subsidize business ratepayers.

THE FACT IS THAT AGUIRRE EXPOSED SHAMES: “The settlement is a fraction of the $120 million that Aguirre said in September 2005 should be credited to residential ratepayers for annual overcharges he pegged at $20 million between 1998 and 2004.”

I trust Aguirre infinitely more than Shames, especially since Shames fights for business bloodsuckers and Aguirre fights for the residential ratepayers who are constantly fleeced even by “consumer advocates” and bloodsucker courts ad infinitum ad nauseam.


Don Bauder Aug. 11, 2008 @ 6:39 a.m.

Response to post #132: Frye and Aguirre are doing an excellent job. So is Shames. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 10, 2008 @ 4:10 p.m.

Response to post #128: I respect both Aguirre and Shames but do not believe a settlement for the full amount was practical at the time of the settlement. Best, Don Bajuder


Anon92107 Aug. 10, 2008 @ 5:48 p.m.

Response to post #129:

Pardon me Don, but "do not believe a settlement for the full amount was practical at the time of the settlement" makes me extremely skeptical that you do not really know that Shames did not sell out the residential ratepayers as Aguirre suggested in his statement that the City still owes us about $80 Million more than the mere $40 Million fraudulent settlement that subsidized business ratepayers and sold out residential ratepayers.

Don, there have been far too much larceny committed against of residential ratepayers by the City and Felsinger/Baum’s Sempra/SDG&E for far too long.

This never-ending Court/CPUC/City/Legislature/UCAN approved larceny against residential ratepayers on top of out of control gasoline prices has most certainly far exceeded a “Tipping Point” for ordinary people who think $5Million is a hell of a lot of money to pay to lawyers for screwing residential ratepayers out of $80 Million, in addition to all the other shafts the bloodsuckers are impaling us on constantly.

It’s about time you exposed Baum, Felsinger, Peevey, Sanders, Shames and the Courts for their never-ending larceny against residential ratepayers for sewer, water, electric, gas etc. and become an Aguirre Class Champion for residential ratepayers.


Don Bauder Aug. 10, 2008 @ 9:19 p.m.

Response to post #130: There is no doubt that the residential ratepayers were cheated for years. There are other ways to pay them back than through a court settlement. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 11, 2008 @ 4:22 a.m.

Response to post #131:

"There are other ways to pay them back" - B.S. Don, you are in denial on this one trying to protect the most shameful Shames.

San Diego residential ratepayers are only "paid back" one way, we are screwed by Sanders, Felsinger and the courts.

The absolute bottom line fact is that our "consumer advocates" favor their business bloodsucker patrons at the expense of never-ending overcharges to residential ratepayers because corrupt judges, CPUC and the legislature commit larceny for their business bloodsucker patrons who put them in office.

San Diego ratepayers have only Aguirre and Frye fighting back for us while the courts commit larceny, one more proof that the Rule of Law is dead in San Diego.


Anon92107 Aug. 11, 2008 @ 12:13 p.m.

Response to post #133:

And I guess that answers Lee Iacocca's other question:

"Where Have All The Leaders Gone?"



Don Bauder Aug. 11, 2008 @ 2:42 p.m.

Response to post #133: You have favorably mentioned Frye and Aguirre. They haven't left. It's just that the corporate welfare crowd has all the money. Best, Don Bauder


LeftistTraitor Aug. 11, 2008 @ 4:59 p.m.

Another possibility could be that when all was said and done, Shames could not substantiate the full amount originally proposed and then had to settle for less. We'll probably never know.


Don Bauder Aug. 11, 2008 @ 8:08 p.m.

Response to post #136: I will try to find the answer to these questions. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 12, 2008 @ 2:40 a.m.

Response to post #137:

In the meantime, Felsinger, Sanders and the U-T Bloodsucker Establishment continue to screw San Diego residential ratepayers with corrupt court granted impunity and no one is able to stop them from destroying the San Diego economy of the 20th century that was the legacy of the Greatest Generation.


Anon92107 Aug. 13, 2008 @ 6:33 a.m.

Response to posts #123 &127: “It's true that Shames has not provided the information we asked for. But he is very busy.” and “You cannot call Shames a winner in this.”

FYI Don, U-T Business Headline this morning: “SDG&E raising its rates Sept. 1”


No wonder Shames is “very busy,” he is obviously “very busy” spending his corrupt court awarded $5MILLION larceny for fleecing residential customers out of $80 Million he awarded to his business ratepayer sponsors, after Aguirre exposed him for failing to win a $120 Million settlement against Shame’s business sponsors.

So Shames is San Diego’s newest multimillionaire while we get screwed out of 7 PERCENT more.

And U-T’s rabid watchdog keeps biting the NORCers in their asses by destroying the San Diego economy along with Shames, Sanders and the rest of the U-T Bloodsucker Establishment.

Doesn’t anyone give a damn about anything anymore, because right now Shames is the biggest “winner” in San Diego at the expense of the residential ratepayers "very busy" spending larceny awarded by our corrupt courts.


Anon92107 Aug. 14, 2008 @ 1:04 p.m.

Regarding posts #143 & 144:

The first priority is to do something about Felsinger and Peevey because they are the root causes of all our utility problems today.


Anon92107 Aug. 13, 2008 @ 1:02 p.m.

Actually a hideous problem far worse than Shames has been caused by Felsinger and Co. as also noted in the U-T this morning “Families sue SDG&E over 204 accident that killed 4 Marines.” Dinosaur transmission lines all over the place to maximize short-term profits were again the cause of this hellacious loss of Heroes and Patriots, in addition to deaths in Firestorms.

As usual, bloodsucker lawyers blame the deaths on the victims. And again, I wonder what it takes to make people outraged enough to fight back even for their own safety?

Meanwhile Felsinger still refuses to build non-fossil fuel power plants in San Diego to eliminate the need for transmission lines all over the place and provide for the long term power needs of San Diego.

But the only fact of life today is that out of control rate increases for short-term profits continue to be rubber stamp approved by a corrupt CPUC without end, while Michael Shames follows in Lerach’s footsteps enabled by the continuation of the Greer Court culture of corruption.


a2zresource Aug. 13, 2008 @ 1:36 p.m.

Relating to #140:

See California Military and Veterans Code on the Sabotage Prevention Act, especially with its definitions of "war", "public utility", and "defense preparedness activity".

It would be interesting to hear how the local power utility can explain away its knowledge of its own power lines, the deaths of four marines who were quite capable of avoiding power lines if only they had been made visible, and the utility's liability under the above Act, where penalties are quite substantial specifically when a failure to act to protect a defense preparedness activity such as high tension power lines from damage or destruction results in multiple deaths.

As for Mr. Shames, I consider him to be human, and all humans have strengths and weaknesses. As far as I can tell, UCAN has done fairly well to prevent the pass-through of Encanto Gas Holder environmental compliance costs to all San Diego service area consumers before and after the US v. SDG&E criminal guilty verdicts last year... If I am wrong about that, take it to the CPUC and get reimbursed yourself!


Don Bauder Aug. 14, 2008 @ 5:11 p.m.

Response to post #144: The current D.A. look into SDG&E? You must be kidding. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 14, 2008 @ 2:52 a.m.

Relating to #141:

Thanks for your insights a2zresource. The loss of 4 Marines is an outrage that Messrs. Felsinger and his predecessor Baum must be held accountable for. Utility executives have been allowed to escape responsibility and accountability for far too long and the tragic loss of 4 Marines due to power lines is a totally unacceptable and preventable consequence. There have also been far too many fires from overhead power lines that are allowed to run all over the place with inadequate protection that put far too many people continuously in harm’s way even more with the climate changes we are experiencing today. Allowing scumbag lawyers in a court of law blame deaths of innocent people on those people who died because of power line related fires is an outrage to society that must be stopped because that is an attack against our system of justice that is totally unacceptable.

It is way past due time for Sempra to build nuclear power plants in San Diego to provide power for our long term future instead of allowing transmission lines to run all over the place to fossil fuel burning plants which have become unacceptable and avoidable. Utility executive greed for easy, short term profits have cost far too many lives and placed our economic and environmental future in unacceptably grave jeopardy.

San Diego is one of the largest, if not the largest naval station in the world. We have nuclear powered carriers and submarines homeported, visiting, coming and going continuously in San Diego. Our U.S. Navy has an excellent history, going back to the USS Nautilus in 1954, of nuclear power reliability and safety that civilians must now take advantage of to guarantee our own power supply for our long-term future needs.

Building nuclear power plants along our coast also gives San Diego the opportunity to build desalination plants to guarantee a clean source of increasingly desperately needed clean water supplies for San Diego's long-term future.

Otherwise the Bloodsucker Establishment will export all of our economic opportunities and any chance for a quality of life future in San Diego to China.


Don Bauder Aug. 14, 2008 @ 6:53 a.m.

Response to posts # 138-142: I agree that Shames and UCAN are doing the best they can against a corporate-stacked CPUC. I agree that power lines play a major role in fires. This is a subject that should be explored in depth. Best, Don Bauder


Russ Lewis Aug. 15, 2008 @ 4:48 a.m.

Did you forget to mention "bloodsuckers," Anon?


a2zresource Aug. 14, 2008 @ 12:37 p.m.

Regarding post #143:

Yes: on the law's face, the Sabotage Prevention Act is now just as applicable to the recent wire-caused wildfires as it is to a helicopter accident due to unobservable power lines & towers.

One hopes that the District Attorney's office has been exploring in depth, in the interests of justice.


Don Bauder Aug. 22, 2008 @ 6:55 a.m.

Response to post #218: The classic example is John McCain's not knowing how many houses he has, and then saying that $5 million a year is a middle class income. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 14, 2008 @ 5:14 p.m.

Response to post #145: Sempra shareholders won't do anything to Felsinger because the stock has been doing well. Peevey is gone in December, but he may be replaced by somebody as bad. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 16, 2008 @ 8:13 a.m.

Response to post #168: Thanks for information. This strategy makes sense. I have always wondered why show business didn't recycle the old melodies of Gershwin, Berlin, et al, or use classical melodies more often in popular music. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 15, 2008 @ 2:59 a.m.

Response to post #147:

Don't you ever have any good news Don!? Isn't capitalism wonderful:)

We never hold corporate and government executives responsible and accountable for their failures in leadership until it is too late, and that is the Achilles’ Heel of Capitalist Democracy, even when failures due to avarice cause deaths of a USMC helicopter crew and innocent civilians burn to death in San Diego firestorms NORC.

How about starting with that as a theme for the Reader to focus on, at least as a response to Lee Iacocca’s “Where Have All The Leaders Gone?”

You can start a new Don Bauder column on “Lessons In Leadership” that your readers can use to judge criminally negligent leaders before the consequences lead to deaths of more innocent people.

Or maybe you could at least condemn the likes of Felsinger, Peevey and Baum to some sort of Wagnerian form of Hell for caring more about their own avarice than public safety, again.


Don Bauder Aug. 15, 2008 @ 6:25 a.m.

Response to post #148: To me, "Wagnerian" connotes heaven, not hell. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 15, 2008 @ 6:27 a.m.

Response to post #149: Leave it to the observant Russl to note that omission. Best, Don Bauder


JimG Aug. 15, 2008 @ 7:59 a.m.

Don, this blog has a problem. Observant observers have learned to ignore anything posted by anon92107. We don't even read it. This can't be a good thing, if a full and free exchange of SANE ideas is the Reader's goal.


Don Bauder Aug. 15, 2008 @ 8:57 a.m.

Response to post #152: Anon92107 does have interesting things to say. but he keeps saying the same thing, and using the same invective, over and over again. Best, Don Bauder


anony_mous Aug. 15, 2008 @ 11:27 p.m.

Resonse to 164: Don, If I recall correctly, Elvis actually "performed" the song in his movie, while in Ocean's Eleven it was part of the sound track and heard in the backround during scenes in the movie. Actually these days it's not uncommon for songs to be used in more than one movie. I read once that in many cases it was cheaper to pay royalties to use a song if it fit the particular scene than to hire someone to write, perform and actually do the recording of a new song just for a small scene in a movie. A couple of examples are Forrest Gump and The Big Chill. With all of the great classic songs used in those to movies, it surely would have been an impossible task to write new songs that would have the same impact.


a2zresource Aug. 15, 2008 @ 10:05 a.m.

Regarding #147:

Perhaps this had something to do with the closing argument comment by the government on "corporate arrogance" just before the US v. SDG&E guilty verdicts were returned by the jury last year... including the one for "fraud/false statements in general to government inspectors".

... and it only took another year for the CPUC to reach more or less the same conclusion about the unsupported comments by SDG&E in favor of their proposed Sunrise Powerlink.

As long as Sempra Energy shareholders are shielded from the financial consequences of the profound errors in judgment and the lack of a minimal set of public ethics (i.e. "obey the law") of its holding SDG&E, there will be no accountability of any part of that corporation-with-no-soul, and the "corporate arrogance" cited by the prevailing side at the US v. SDG&E federal environmental crimes trial will continue.

Maybe that's why a certain public utility spokesperson used a publisher's ink to mention the billion-dollar insurance policy it has in this city's daily paper not too long ago... I wonder if the shareholders missed that little announcement. From the way the share price is holding up, maybe they just don't care until a real vault-busting, non-pass-through-to-customers civil or criminal penalty makes the news.

Of course, under California law, when stockholders enjoy the benefits of lawless actions by a corporate holding, then they are by law assuming the risk when the corporation is ordered to pay penalties and the shares subsequently drop in value. It's kind of difficult to see how shareholders can recover value from something like that, when the coporation they own is doing things that were not forbidden and thus allowed by the same dividend-receiving institutional and individual shareholders over the last decade or more (see California Maxims of Jurisprudence in the Civil Code for that line of accountability, one which any judge can reliably fall back on under "stare decisis" when needed).

I am holding in my hot little hand a letter from late April 2001 on DA's stationery, telling me that when the County Air Pollution Control District (APCD) finishes its investigation of SDG&E at the Encanto Gas Holder site, there will be a "referral for prosecution". Sure enough, looking at the 2006 US v. SDG&E indictment announcement, one sees that APCD was an investigating agency in that matter that eventually led to SDG&E guilty verdicts last year... so at times I am especially impressed by the DA's office (even if the wheels at the Hall of Justice turn ever so slowly...) Thank you, DDA KID and AUSA MP.


Anon92107 Aug. 15, 2008 @ 11:18 a.m.

Response to post #153: Thanks Don, I was just trying to follow in the footsteps of my two role models, Don Bauder and Lee Iacocca.

But the NORCers just want silence so they can continue to look the other way and ignore the bloodsucker caused disasters you keep reporting in progress.

They wish to ignore the paramount fact that far too many corporate execs like Felsinger put avarice before America regardless of consequences to families and ratepayers of San Diego.

So thanks to the NORCers we have out of control inflation as reported in the news this morning and lost opportunities exported to other countries for the sake of short term profit and immediate gratification of avarice.

Sorry if I upset the NORCers, but that's what I aim to do.


Anon92107 Aug. 15, 2008 @ 11:41 a.m.

Regarding #154:

Thanks for the explanation a2zresource, it's good to have detailed facts of what really happened once in a while, especially if the system actually works.

"wheels at the Hall of Justice turn ever so slowly" seems to mean most often that justice is not going to be served, it's just that those who got fleeced or worse ran out of money to pay for justice while too many executives who commit crimes go free because of their infinite corporate resources that allow them to overthrow our system of justice.

The fact that 4 Marines had to lose their lives for their country within MCBCP, in addition to firestorm deaths because corporate executives don't have to accept responsibility and accountabilty for tragic consequences of their failures in leadership should make a vast majority of people outraged, but that never seems to be the case, especially when the "wheels at the Hall of Justice turn ever so slowly" that everyone keeps forgetting those who died unnecessarily due to corporate avarice.


anony_mous Aug. 15, 2008 @ 11:57 a.m.

152 is correct about Anon92107. Thru all of his/her posts I have never seen a sane logical solution to any of the issues being discussed. In all of the whining, complaining moaning and groaning about all that is wrong, how corrupt the politicians are, etc, ect, ect I have have yet to hear from Anon92107 what he/she is doing to help his/herself. Only complaining that no one really cares and asking who's going to come in and change things. That's all well and good, and easy to ignore. But now Anon92107 has crossed the line. Attacking the venerable Don Bauder is not to be tolerated. Just because you don't want to come out of retirement, lead the new revolution to restore the powers of the US Constution and vanquish all of the Goths, Visigoths Vandals, judges, politicians, CEOs, the U-T and all of the other corrupt bloodsuckers. Only you can correct all that is wrong with the world, Don.

There are so many things that we as individuals can do to improve our lives, but apparently Anon92107 would rather have someone else do it for him/her. What was it that Elvis said, "A little less conversation, a little more action". Works for me.


Don Bauder Aug. 15, 2008 @ 12:33 p.m.

Response to post #147: Sempra investors should check how much in insurance premiums the company pays every year. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 15, 2008 @ 12:39 p.m.

Response to post #155: Yes, avarice comes first. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 15, 2008 @ 12:44 p.m.

Response to post #156: For what they get paid, the top CEOs should be forced to take responsibility for corporate mistakes. But over and over again, wage experts such as Graef Crystal can find no correlation between the huge salaries and performance. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 15, 2008 @ 1:25 p.m.

Response to post #157: Bloggers like Fred Williams and Russl always tease me about my complete ignorance of popular culture. I want it known that I know who Elvis was. I always tell our sons (ages 38 and 41) that I was in high school when rock and roll arrived (early 1950s), and in college when Elvis came on the scene (1957, I believe). But I have never heard of that bit of pithy wisdom by Elvis. Is it possible his promoters or songwriters wrote it, not Elvis? Best, Don Bauder


anony_mous Aug. 15, 2008 @ 3:19 p.m.

Don, It's the opening two lines of the Elvis song A Little Less Conversation. It's from the 1968 Elvis movie "Live a Little, Love a Little". It was written by Mac Davis and Billy Strange, was on the album Almost In Love and was released as a single. It was also a features song in the movie Ocean's Eleven and is heard in the intro of the tv show Las Vegas.


anony_mous Aug. 15, 2008 @ 3:25 p.m.

Don, I certainly hope your sons know Elvis. I'm not much older than they are (51) and my daughter, who will be 22 shortly, has long been an Elvis fan. Although she readily admits she likes the "cool looking" Elvis of the 60's and not the "fat old drug guy" that Elvis was towards the end.


Don Bauder Aug. 16, 2008 @ 8:07 a.m.

Response to post #166: One can fight the Sempra mob but take time off for leisure, such as reminiscing about Elvis. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 16, 2008 @ 2:22 p.m.

Response to post #172: Those are trenchant statements indeed. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 15, 2008 @ 5:09 p.m.

Response to post #162: From what you say, it appears that this song appeared in two movies. Is that common? (I see about two movies a year, so I wouldn't know.) It happens very seldom in opera: in Don Giovanni, Mozart briefly picks up music from his Marriage of Figaro, but it is not sung. Wagner's Die Meistersinger has a bit of a flashback to Tristan und Isolde music. Handel, on the other hand, picks up material from prior operas regularly. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 15, 2008 @ 5:11 p.m.

Response to post #163: Although they both like rock music (our youngest used to write for the Reader's Blurt section), I don't think they are big Elvis fans. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 15, 2008 @ 8:53 p.m.

P.S. Response to post #153:

EUREKA! It appears I finally got some people to be outraged at last, and even though it was directed at me it’s a beginning. So I’ll keep trying to build on that, even though it takes invective to get a point over as you yourself do sometimes when you really get wound up fighting back against the roots of San Diego evil like Moores and Davies.

Again, sorry if you were discommoded in any way by anything I said that you disagreed with, but we are both forced to use invective to incur outrage to wake up the NORCers who find it far more comfortable to look the other way, away from the crashing and burning of San Diego than fight back against corruption themselves.

However I guess it's far more fun to reminisce about Elvis than fight back against Sempra because the track record of failure to protect the ratepayers and taxpayers of San Diego is too miserable to reminisce about.


anony_mous Aug. 15, 2008 @ 11:27 p.m.

Response to post #166:

Yes it is fun to reminisce with Don about Elvis. There are serious issue that people in all walks of life have to deal with, on a daily basis, but stumbling your way through life with a "woe is me no body cares what's happening" mindset will not make things any better in and of it's self and I highly doubt that taking a few moments out of the day for some fun correspondence with a respected journalist is going to worsen the problem. So how about sharing with us, in all your wisdom, exactly how you think we should all fight back against Sempra and their track record of failure to protect the ratepayers and taxpayers of San Diego. What specifically would you have us all do?? What is your plan?? I keep reading your rhetoric about how evil they are but I have yet to read what you say what you think we should do about them And more directly what actions have you yourself taken in this issue, other than simply complaining that no one is doing anything and no one cares? By the way, I seriously doubt that anyone hear is outraged by you. In fact, I would say few even take you seriously.


Don Bauder Aug. 16, 2008 @ 8:09 a.m.

Response to post #167: I guess we can all cut back on the pejoratives and offer more specifics. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 16, 2008 @ 11:08 a.m.

QUESTION: Where the hell is our outrage? (Lee Iacocca, “Where Have All the Leaders Gone”)

ANSWER: Catastrophes engineered by our own species are simply out of the range of human capacity for planning and action. It doesn't matter that that evolutionary process may be leading an entire species to the precipice. Human beings have a hard time reasoning why they should care what might come about years hence. (Edward O. Wilson, Harvard evolutionary biologist)

ULTIMATE TRUTH: Time is all you have. And you may find one day that you have less than you thought. Make time for what matters --- Family (Randy Pausch, “The Last Lecture”)


Anon92107 Aug. 17, 2008 @ 3:40 a.m.

Response to post #174: Indeed Don, it's especially too bad that Professor Wilson's research on human behavior keeps coming up with the same grim conclusions for democracy and mankind.

I gave the "Solutions to San Diego's Sempra and Power/Water Supply Problems" back in my post #142, but the fact that San Diego voters keep electing the likes of Golding, Murphy and Sanders proves again what Wilson concludes "Catastrophes engineered by our own species are simply out of the range of human capacity for planning and action" is all too true once again in San Diego.

And we are allowing ourselves to be lead over the "precipice" once again due to the self destructive DNA in homo sapiens that never evolved far enough to overcome the neanderthal failure mode.


Don Bauder Aug. 17, 2008 @ 6:03 p.m.

Response to post #183: Those Geico ads are very clever. Best, Don Bauder


a2zresource Aug. 16, 2008 @ 12:38 p.m.

Regarding #169:

Yes, even in trying to do the good thing and fight the right fight, leisure is a good thing.

Leisure gives you the chance to step back and see things unfolding.

As a journalist, you must have seen things evolve over time in this town, article by daily article, that were too darn funny in their own tragic way, from the relative safety of the observer's journalistic distance.

And such a list of things the eyes must have seen...

The limited experience at City College's student paper under A. Makarushka gave me an appreciation for one who is under public scrutiny, digs herself or himself into a proverbial foxhole, then starts lobbing the kind of self-promoting handgrenades that are guaranteed to attract even more scrutinizing press attention under some increasingly hot lighting.

I'll bore you with only one scenario: Two of us student journalists removed from a student government meeting decades ago by college police because both of us had the audacity to take notes of this otherwise-Brown Act-compliant meeting... and one of us actually coughed. (The officers released us when we were out of the door and walked away laughing...) What none of us realized was that in the back corner, a very inconspicuous third journalism student was taking notes of it all, intrigued by our previous articles and editorials on that self-imploding California legislative body on campus.

I also had a nice summer journalism seminar that was partly held at the Washington Post while the mayor was on trial for a little too much crack and fun with a lady other than his wife...

Sometimes things just happen in front of you, and it's worth writing it down and saving a document/photo or two...


Don Bauder Aug. 16, 2008 @ 2:26 p.m.

Response to post #173: "A little too much crack and fun with a lady other than his wife" is not my idea of leisure time well spent, but to each his own. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 17, 2008 @ 10:57 a.m.

Response to post #176: It sounds like U.S. leadership is human; San Diego leadership is all too human. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 17, 2008 @ 11:40 a.m.

Response to post #177:

There you go again Don, setting me up into the invective mode. And to also keep from being accused of saying the same thing over and over again I’ll respond to your comment by restating a new version of Donna Frye’s City Hall characterization published in her National Geographic interview "Let me tell you, dirty water, dirty politics, it all comes from the same source" by stating more succinctly the fact that America’s Finest City is now known as America’s Political Cesspool.

But then I noticed that you avoid excessive invective by distancing yourself by about a thousand miles from our City Hall Dungheap, with our Bubba the Hutt mayor sitting on top of the pile, so you wouldn’t risk being downwind.

By the way, how much lower are your utility rates in Colorado, just in case your new state has a better way of doing things that we might learn from, if we can ever evolve beyond our Neanderthal mentality that is?

And do your politicians and judges know and practice the definitions of honor, integrity, morals and ethics so they could come to San Diego and give seminars to our politicians and judges?


anony_mous Aug. 17, 2008 @ 12:46 p.m.

Response to post #178: "I gave the "Solutions to San Diego's Sempra and Power/Water Supply Problems" back in my post #142": "It is way past due time for Sempra to build nuclear power plants in San Diego ", "Building nuclear power plants along our coast". And in exactly which beautiful coastal communitiesin San Diego do you propose that Sempra build these plants? I live 15 miles from one and can't think of enough available land between San Onofre and the border to build any more. Do you really expect Sempra to shell out 4+ billion, per plant, over 8-10 years, with no return on investment for that 8-10 years. That's not to mention any environmental issues with builing along the coast. I don't see that happening anytime soon. Nuclear power may be a solution, but many, many people, and not just the "Bloodsucker Establishment" are not sure it's the correct one. And can we afford to wair at least 8-10 years for this particular "solution" to become useful? And by the way,in reference to not building nuclear power plants in San Diego, exactly what does "Otherwise the Bloodsucker Establishment will export all of our economic opportunities and any chance for a quality of life future in San Diego to China" mean. That maeks absolutely no sense at all.


Don Bauder Aug. 17, 2008 @ 2:48 p.m.

Response to post #178: We have well and septic. Electricity is cheaper. Phone is probably about the same, but we have Qwest, which is a problem. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 17, 2008 @ 2:50 p.m.

Response to post #179: France has done very well with nuclear power. There are a lot of people who want to see it come back strong in the U.S., but we still have the problem of disposing of nuclear waste. We have never solved that. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 17, 2008 @ 3:57 p.m.

Response to post #180:

Don, the main difference between Neanderthals and Homo sapiens is that Neanderthals didn’t have the ability to think and plan ahead. San Diego has been electing Neanderthals and the classic consequences are the 2003 Murphy Firestorms and the 2007 Sanders Firestorms where San Diego is the only county in Southern California that failed to plan ahead, twice, they failed to coordinate firefighting, failed to organize all the firefighting districts in San Diego. So the rest of Southern California, the Southern California Multi-Agency Coordination Group even failed to invite San Diego representatives to coordinating meetings because there was no single coordinating agency to represent San Diego to participate in organizing emergency mutual aid, dispatching firefighters, engines, aircraft and other resources.

You don’t get anymore Neanderthal than San Diego politicians and the San Diego electorate that elects the likes of Murphy and Sanders who use firestorms for photo-ops but have proven to have no leadership, thinking and planning abilities at all, hence the criminally negligent failures to protect lives and property in 2003, and again in 2007.

And the NORC culture still prevails about the loss of life and property, as long as it was someone else's life and property that is.


Anon92107 Aug. 17, 2008 @ 4:05 p.m.

Response to post #181:

Thanks for the comment Don.

Also, as I mentioned in post #142, San Diego is one of the largest, if not the largest naval station in the world. We have nuclear powered carriers and submarines homeported, visiting, coming and going continuously in San Diego. Our U.S. Navy has an excellent history, going back to the USS Nautilus in 1954, of nuclear power reliability and safety that civilians must now take advantage of to guarantee our own power supply for our long-term future needs.

Building nuclear power plants along our coast also gives San Diego the opportunity to build desalination plants to guarantee a clean source of increasingly desperately needed clean water supplies for San Diego's long-term future.

But we still have far too many politicians and electorate devolving back to Neanderthals, which is why San Diego have so many, increasingly out of control problems today, no one is thinking or planning and things get more out of control just like with the Neanderthals who became extinct except for those who are making a comeback in GEICO ads.


Don Bauder Aug. 17, 2008 @ 6:01 p.m.

Response to post #182: Yes, San Diego didn't learn anything from the 2003 fire. That was obvious in the 2007 fire. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 18, 2008 @ 2:25 a.m.

Response to post #185:

So here we are, continuing to devolve and argue ad nauseam without thinking and planning ahead while politicians continue to burn more people and property and Sempra executives keep maximizing their profits by selling out the future of San Diego, as we go over the precipice of history as Homo erectus/neanderthalensis v.21c.

At least you get to enjoy the evolving lifestyle of apres-ski living in Colorado while those of us you left behind in San Diego continuing to suck up what is left of your Colorado river and build transmission lines all around you to get your fossil fuel burning power. It's Ride of the Valkyries listening time.


Don Bauder Aug. 18, 2008 @ 6:38 a.m.

Response to post #186: Either way, Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway, Geico's parent, has scored once again. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 18, 2008 @ 6:42 a.m.

Response to post #187: You're suggesting that Valhalla is crumbling -- another way of saying that the World's Finest City isn't so fine. Best, Don Bauder


paul Aug. 18, 2008 @ 9:28 a.m.

Response to #184:

Wrong, Don. The city leaders learned exactly the lesson you would expect them to learn from the 2003 fires; Their CYA media relations blitz was much improved in 2007. They didn't have to spend any money on fire prevention, fire-fighting or emergency plans, yet they still received better publicity than Murphy in 2003. That is considered a win-win to them....:(


Anon92107 Aug. 18, 2008 @ 11:06 a.m.

Response to post #189 &190:

Another way to look at it is that San Diego politicians have proven that increased brain size makes no difference when the brain that "evolves?" is dysfunctional.

All Homo sapiens history proves is that brain size is no improvement since chaos has been the most frequent consequence when intellectual and political leadership fails repeatedly to think, plan and act to head off threats in time to prevent various economic, social and political tipping points from toppling.

So today, one more time, the increasing disparity of fortune and equality between the rich and the poor is producing one more worst-case scenario.

And NORCers are enabling these failures even though we are supposedly better educated than ever before and having had better opportunities than ever before up until the recent declines that is, so San Diego politicians and Sempra executives’ avarice accelerate the decline of San Diego as NORCers watch and do nothing to fight back in time to even save themselves.

We are giving gives evolution a bad reputation.


Don Bauder Aug. 18, 2008 @ 12:46 p.m.

Response to post #190: You are right. That publicity machine did a great job in 2007 -- even getting the mayor on national TV. The PR folks had learned something from 2003. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 18, 2008 @ 12:51 p.m.

Response to post #191: San Diego has one of the most famous zoos in the world. Is that where the local politicians belong? Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 19, 2008 @ 6:56 a.m.

Response to post #194: It's true that placing San Diego pols in the zoo would be an insult to the denizens such as the hairy-nosed wombats. However, how else will we get the pols behind bars? The judges will never put them there. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 21, 2008 @ 6:34 a.m.

Response to post #206: The nuclear waste disposal question is definitely the hangup. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 19, 2008 @ 2:07 a.m.

Response to post #192:

My answer is an overwhelming Hell No. I love our zoo, and I wouldn't want the world's best collection of animals to have to live with the failures of humanity.

Back to Spinrise and Sempra, this is one of the most important blogs you have ever had because Sempra has a major impact on the economic success or failure of San Diego. And the 2000 San Diego Energy Crisis proved that Sempra executives do not give a damn about San Diego when it comes to their choices between satisfying their personal lusts for power and greed or the good of the community.

This is why I keep going into the subjects of evolutionary biology, the nature/character of man, and most importantly the lessons of history.

Thus I have focused on Don Felsinger and his megalomaniac personality, because as CEO/COB he is the #1 executive at Sempra who defines and is the role model for their culture, and when he fails to support San Diego families then San Diego goes into the failure mode. To put it as succinctly as I can, Felsinger has failed the tests of personal integrity and morals, and like most corporate CEO/COBs who thrive on avarice Felsinger believes that the rules of society that apply to normal people do not apply to him. To protect his lusts he has a phalanx of lawyers, an archaic CPUC culture and court judges to exempt him from public oversight so he can get away with actions that most frequently have consequences detrimental to the economic future of San Diego ratepayers. Come to think of it, Mayor Sanders is very similar to Felsinger, which makes the future of San Diego for all families extremely problematic when we have two megalomaniacs like them taking actions that have the potential to destroy our community. For example, failures in leadership at Sempra cause energy and economic crises and our mayors have caused firestorms to get out of control with totally unacceptable consequences in both cases.

The bottom line is that we live in an age where individual avarice can destroy the community, but historically this is not a new fact of life at all. San Diego thrived most wonderfully during the post WWII era when we enjoyed the legacy provided us by the Greatest Generation. But sometime between the Viet Nam War and the Space Shuttle Challenger Disaster the San Diego establishment and their puppeticians led San Diego into an age of decay.

So the question you asked really should be, are we going to continue to let the likes of Baum, Felsinger, Murphy and Sanders continue to destroy San Diego or make their kind an extinct species in San Diego that will be displayed as future exhibits in the San Diego Natural History Museum and/or the Museum of Man?


JF Aug. 19, 2008 @ 1:57 p.m.

Paul, I guess you missed the point where city leaders have spent millions on new equipment and training for the fire department since 2003. For starters, there's that shiny new helicopter sitting there, with a sister ship due to go into service any day now.

I guess you also missed that the wind speeds were about twice as high during the 2007 fires than they were during the 2003 fires.

Is there more to do? Absolutely -- a lot more. But nothing's going to happen unless someone opens up some purse strings. Perhaps you should ask the county supervisors why there is no county fire department.


Don Bauder Aug. 19, 2008 @ 6:15 p.m.

Response to post #196: A former fire chief made a lot of recommendations after 2003. They weren't followed, and he quit. Mayor Sanders declared before the 2007 fire that the City was in good shape and prepared for a fire. Then he took bows before the TV cameras as the place was burning down. Best, Don Bauder


paul Aug. 19, 2008 @ 10:06 p.m.

JF said: "Paul, I guess you missed the point where city leaders have spent millions on new equipment and training for the fire department since 2003. For starters, there's that shiny new helicopter sitting there, with a sister ship due to go into service any day now."

Would that be the helicopter that Sunroad donated to the city, out of the goodness of their heart, with no expectation of repayment of any kind?????

We are still short of fire stations, firemen, equipment and the inspection and brush clearing is still virtually non-existent. We also still do not have the emergency plan that was supposed to be in place over a year ago (before the 2007 fires), for which Aguirre took so much grief for pointing out.

As Don said, Bowman's recommendations weren't followed. Nothing changed from, 2003 to 2007. The Pols thought that after two bad fires (2002 and 2003), we would be spared for awhile. Now after the 2007, they apparently think that way to an even higher degree. What has changed since 2007? How are we more prepared now?


Don Bauder Aug. 20, 2008 @ 6:56 a.m.

Response to post #198: Things haven't changed. The rhetoric from City Hall is smooth and reassuring. The action is nil. Typical. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 20, 2008 @ 12:20 p.m.

Response to post #195: “--- how else will we get the pols behind bars? The judges will never put them there” ANSWER: As you know better than I Don, the truth is that if the judges put the pols behind bars they would have to put themselves behind bars for the same reasons.

This Spinrise scenario never ends, the latest chapter was updated in the U-T this morning which reported on Sempra’s never-ending lies to the CPUC, one of Felsinger’s cultural values as Chief Fleecing Officer.

Kind of reminds us of the days when Peevey was SCE CEO and he lied to the CPUC about corrupt accounting practices that eliminated SCE from taking over SDG&E. The culture never changes, especially since Peevey was then given control of the CPUC from that brain-dead Gov. Davis. But the thought comes up, could this CPUC “investigation” actually be some kind of payback by Peevey to Sempra executives who are still hanging around from the Tom Page days that he still holds a grudge against?


Anon92107 Aug. 20, 2008 @ 1:07 p.m.

Response to post #199: "Things haven't changed."

Actually Don, things haven't changed since about 3000 BC when people started living in very large groups, in structured societies with hierarchies.

Today in San Diego, hierarchies with the likes of Sanders and Felsinger as “leaders” have put us in the self-destruct mode with one major consequence of their failures in leadership and social responsibility being firestorms with deaths and destruction, along with energy crises, public safety and many other social breakdown problems.

San Diego has far too many “leaders” like Sanders and Felsinger who are ready, willing and able to sell out the future of San Diego to satisfy short term lusts for power and wealth at the expense of the citizens.

Again, what most enables this over the precipice scenario is the fact that our judges have sold out democracy to money and politics and sold out the Rule of Law, but this is a failure mode problem with all courts throughout America today per former Justice Sandra O’Connor.

Accelerating all these causes of decay is the fact that our intellectual leadership has failed to meet the challenges of change, due to failures in character, morals and economics, causing failures in government, education, societies and religions.

However, at the bottom of our real world hierarchy (in a true democracy We The People should have been at the top) is the NORC culture that refuses to fight back even though we were the best educated people with the been opportunities in history.


Don Bauder Aug. 20, 2008 @ 1:41 p.m.

Response to post #200: I am pretty sure that Peevey was never CEO of SCE. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 20, 2008 @ 1:44 p.m.

Response to post #201: If this goes all the way back to primitive societies, we're in real trouble. The corruption is in our genes. Best, Don Bauder


anony_mous Aug. 20, 2008 @ 6:30 p.m.

Response to #202: Don

Believe it or not anon is partially correct. Peavey joined SCE as a senior executive in 1984 and was president of Edison International and SCE from August of 1990 thru March of 1993. He was, however, never CEO of either. I'm not sure about the power stucture within Edison, but normally the President of a company has far less powers than the CEO. The biggest difference normally is the President's power is generally limited to matters that arise within the ordinary course of business and are in the "best interests of the company", and the CEO has general supervision over the company, and has the power to sign all corporate documents, share certificates, and other instruments. Certainly there could be utility industry specific differences but in general, unless the same person is both CEO and President, their duties and responsiblities are different.


Don Bauder Aug. 20, 2008 @ 7:05 p.m.

Response to post #2004: I believe you are right that Peevey might have had a president title at some point. But he was never CEO. Best, Don Bauder


anony_mous Aug. 21, 2008 @ 12:09 a.m.

Response to post # 142/183: While you say "It is way past due time for Sempra to build nuclear power plants in San Diego to provide power for our long term future" you seem to be ignorant of the fact that they can't. Since 1975, California state law has barred new construction of nuclear power plants until the federal government agrees on disposal issues involving radioactive spent fuel, California Public Resources Code Section 25524. The moratorium can only be lifted when there is a demonstrated method for the "permanent and terminal disposition" of high-level nuclear waste by the Federal Government. Under the law, the state will not even consider granting permits for the construction of new nuclear plants. With that being the case,what is the incentive for Sempra/SDG&E or anyone else for that matter to put money (4 billion +) time or energy into developing a proposal for a new nuclear plant in California. A Fresno-based group, Nuclear Energy Group LLC, it is considering a ballot initiative to overturn the law, but they seem to have little chance for success. In 2007, a bill was introduced in California's state legislature calling for the moratorium to be lifted. However, the bill didn't come close to receiving the necessary support to make it into law. I have lived within a few miles of San Onofre for over 20 years and have no qualms about more nuclear plants, provided there is a plan in place to SAFELY dispose of the waste, because I DO care about what happens 20 years down the road. Unfortunately, even though the state is split about 50-50 on using nuclear energy, most people surveyed don't want the plants near them. So since you have said Sempra/SDGE should be "Building nuclear power plants along our coast", I'll ask you directly again: In exactly which of the beautiful coastal communities in San Diego do you propose that Sempra build these plants, should the moratoreum ever be lifted. And should they not be built, what exactly are all of these "economic opportunities and chances for a quality of life future in San Diego " that the "Bloodsucker Establishment will export to China"?


Anon92107 Aug. 21, 2008 @ 2:31 a.m.

Response to post #203: “If this goes all the way back to primitive societies, we're in real trouble. The corruption is in our genes.”

That summarizes it about as succinctly as you can Don. Add to that the dominant character traits of avarice and lust for power leading to inevitable failures in leadership along with never-ending failures by the peoples themselves to deal with protecting our own future, setting ourselves up for decline and fall every time.

So as things stand in San Diego today, the cultural failures at City Hall, Sempra, by the Establishment, our Politicians and Judges at all levels of government along with the overwhelming majority being NORCers who prefer to watch, argue and do nothing, we are doing it to us again.

We are truly the most self-destructive species on earth and haven’t evolved since the first structured group of people with a hierarchy because we keep defaulting to the mob mode.

There simply is no long-term positive solution without intellectual and political leadership that makes the right things happen for everyone in society, and history proves this to be the ultimate impossible dream over and over again.


Don Bauder Aug. 21, 2008 @ 6:39 a.m.

Response to post #207: The poet Robinson Jeffers offered this advice: "Be in nothing so moderate as in love of Man." Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 22, 2008 @ 3:12 a.m.

Response to post #215:

Agreed, far too many things are threatening, and devastating our welfare and future.

It's the age-old story of the Establishment vs. the People where the vast majority of people watch helplessly while others argue endlessly and defeat each other’s efforts to accomplish anything that will make the right things happen in time.

As of today the Bloodsuckers you write about control the playing field, the game and our future while the courts keep giving them the ball and all the money they can steal.

And our local, state and federal governments keep making the wrong things happen while the people are shoved over the precipice into a whole new economy that offers far fewer opportunities and far less wealth for the vast majority of people.


Anon92107 Aug. 21, 2008 @ 11:58 a.m.

Response to posts #208 & 209:

Don, we have had nuclear powered U.S. Navy carriers and subs in San Diego for many decades with no major problems. The reality is that we are at a tipping point where our economic future is in unacceptable jeopardy for reliable power and clean water and the time to act is past due. It’s time to stop this endless arguing with people who deny reality or kiss our economy and clean water supply goodbye forever because the culture of corruption in San Diego has used up all the surplus we may have had in this era of rapidly diminishing resources and globalization. Lamar Alexander has a plan that must be taken seriously

The bottom line to all this today, that is much more important than Spinrise and City Hall, is that history and current events prove the future is hopeless without positive action leadership like that of our Founding Fathers. We just don’t have the right leadership culture in America today to protect what the Founding Fathers created anymore.

All I can say that is truly positive today is Thank God for the American Military and our public safety personnel who still maintain highest cultural values of Honor and Integrity, at increasing risk to their lives, and they have protected us from ourselves and all those who threaten our way of life continuously since the Revolutionary War. Their dedication and sacrifices are what enabled every good thing that has happened in American history, and in spite of the failures of the vast majority of our political, economic and social leaders.

It cannot be overly emphasized that the dominant NORC culture today continues to surrender without a fight, negating the concept “Of The People, By The People and For The People.”


Don Bauder Aug. 21, 2008 @ 12:12 p.m.

Response to post #210: Our economic future is in jeopardy for many reasons having little to do with energy. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 21, 2008 @ 12:34 p.m.

Response to post #211: Are you saying that reliable energy supply is not an extremely important requirement for the economic future of San Diego?


anony_mous Aug. 21, 2008 @ 1:19 p.m.

Response to post #210: A NEW MANHATTAN PROJECT FOR CLEAN ENERGY INDEPENDENCE...give me a break. this guy didn't even vote in favor of the Renewable Energy and Job Creation Act of 2008 or the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. He jumps on the band wagon and starts preaching about clean energy independance, just like every other politician by the way, but he votes against a bill extends and expands tax credits for improving energy efficiency and producing renewable energy and renews and increases credits for business investment, individuals, and households with children and one that represents a major step toward redirecting U.S. energy usage in a cleaner, more sustainable direction saving American consumers money at the fuel pump and on their heating bills, reduce air and water pollution, and mitigate the threat of global warming. Does the word hypocrite come to mind? He voted against Amendment #3 to the Military Construction and Veterans Affairs and Related Agencies Appropriations Act that expands the higher education benefits available to service members under the GI Bill and extends unemployment insurance. Not suprising from someone who never served in the military. Is it at all suprising that he voted in favor of the Estate Tax Repeal Amendment? I think not. Lamar Alexander also supported sending troops to Iraq, and has opposed efforts in the Senate to end the Iraq War or reduce the number of troops. He voted against an amendment to a bill that would have required that soldiers be given minimum periods of rest before being redeployed to Iraq. He has stated he believes that Bush will be viewed as a Truman-esque figure. I could go on and on ad nauseum but I would run out of room. Suffice it to say guy is just another bush lackey, whose career in politics has been marked by changing positions to fit the current tide. He has spent his entire career playing the role of the common man political outsider when in reality he has been politically connected the whole time. He has used his politics to line his pockets by fleecing the public and aligning himself with those he can benefit the most from personally. In otherwords, he is one of your corrupt, cashocracy paid, political bloodsuckers who cares more about the pursuit of his own avarice that serving his constiuency.


anony_mous Aug. 21, 2008 @ 1:32 p.m.

Response to post #212: I think any normal person understands that a reliable energy supply an extremely important requirement for the economic future of ANY community. For some reason you seem to be making Sempra/SDG&E as the root evil for allof San Diego's problems and it just ain't so.


Don Bauder Aug. 21, 2008 @ 3:58 p.m.

Response to post #212: No, I am not saying that energy is not extremely important. I am saying that other things threaten our welfare, too: the promiscuous gambling by banks that will lead to some disastrous failures; excessive governmental and consumer debt. Etc. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 21, 2008 @ 4:04 p.m.

Response to post #213: Point well taken: Lamar Alexander is a hack. He belongs in the Senate. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 21, 2008 @ 4:06 p.m.

Response to post #214: Yes, a reliable energy supply is critical to any community. Maybe Sempra doesn't deserve all the blame, but it merits a lot of it. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 25, 2008 @ 10:21 p.m.

Response to post #223: Nobody on this website believes you are going to hell, fumber. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2008 @ 6:24 a.m.

Response to post #228: Establishment-centric courts and corporation-centric regulators clearly present a problem for San Diegans. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 25, 2008 @ 10:16 p.m.

Response to post #220: As you an see, however, there has been plenty of controversy over desalination. It looks like the plant will be built. But is the controversy over? Will the plant be successful? Best, Don Baude


Anon92107 Aug. 25, 2008 @ 2:22 p.m.

Response to post #216:

I submit a better reference because the subjects of:

  1. Eliminating fossil fuel burning power plants as soon as possible, and

  2. Building power plants combined with desalination plants that will guarantee clean water supply for San Diego and California as soon as possible

are much too important to let go of because we continue to accelerate toward too many Tipping Points because existing solutions being implemented are not nearly adequate and timely enough to get the job done in time to prevent unacceptable environmental, health, safety, economic and social breakdowns from getting too far out of control.

Hopefully the “National Geographic” is not considered an incendiary political source, so I recommend reading:

“Powering the Future” National Geographic August 2005 Cover Story, pages 2-31: (I strongly urge you to read the actual cover story in a personal or library copy of August 2005 National Geographic because there is far more information, especially graphics to compare the choices.)

Needless to say, the ongoing Spinrise, rate increase and many other never-ending controversies keep proving the paramount cultural failure of Sempra executives that care more for their own personal wealth than the people they serve. And the courts and CPUC continue to enable Sempra executives to do their bloodsucking best to perpetuate personal avarice while threatening the economy of San Diego.


Don Bauder Aug. 25, 2008 @ 10:17 p.m.

Response to post #221: Fumber, please say what you believe. Don't keep beating around the bush. Best, Don Bauder


Duhbya Aug. 25, 2008 @ 5:25 p.m.

Fumber......dude/dudette?......please get a (not too firm, now) grip on REALity. NO one is ruining your (let alone "our") life because of postings made here. Unless that's how you like it, of course. Stick with your day gig for awile longer?


Don Bauder Aug. 25, 2008 @ 10:19 p.m.

Response to post #222: It never occurred to me that fumber might be female. Interesting thought. Best, Don Bauder


Anon92107 Aug. 26, 2008 @ 3:48 a.m.

Response to post #224: "As you an see, however, there has been plenty of controversy --- But is the controversy over? ---"

Never-ending, do nothing but argue "controversy" is a root cause problem we must overcome in our society today if we are going to prevent further destruction of the San Diego economy by predatory Sempra executives, and we don’t have time on our side at all anymore.

Sempra executives, like politicians, are never held accountable for their threats and actions against ratepayers and families in San Diego, and that is the second greatest problem because Sempra executive bloodsuckers are always protected by the establishment courts and CPUC while the families of San Diego suffer the consequences of their failures at increasingly unacceptable, out of control levels.

So we’re screwed and as unacceptable consequences have continued to prove since the 2000 San Diego Energy Crisis, there is no way to stop Sempra executives like Felsinger from continuing to destroy the future of San Diego.


Fred Williams Aug. 26, 2008 @ 7:18 a.m.

It's long past time we all came to our senses here in San Diego.

We need leadership, direction, and sound thinking.

Where can we find a man (or woman) who will provide us the kind of wisdom we crave?

There is only one logical choice...


Yes, we must act now to save San Diego. That's why we need our very own beloved fumber to be the next mayor of our city.

Only he (she?) tells it like it is.

Remember, in November, vote for fumber, you vomit-breathed retards.


Fred Williams President and CEO Fumber Fan Club, Inc (A Proud Subsidary of Sempra)


JF Aug. 26, 2008 @ 10:29 a.m.

Response to #219, Actually, Don, I believe $5 million was McCain's answer to, "What is your definition of rich", not his definition of middle class. I still don't like the guy, but we should at least poke fun at him accurately.


Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2008 @ 11:23 a.m.

Response to post #230: You're a genius, Fred. But hasn't somebody already put fumber up for president? Would mayor of San Diego be a comedown? Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2008 @ 11:30 a.m.

Response to post #231: I have seen it several different ways. I thought the minister asked what income level would qualify one as rich. Obama definitely came back and cited an income level. Then McCain said $5 million without specifying whether he meant income or net worth (if he knows the difference). In any case, $5 million in income would put one at perhaps one-tenth of one percent of the U.S. population. I believe that $5 million in net worth would put one in the upper 3 or 4 percent, perhaps 2. (Those numbers vary.) Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2008 @ 4:29 p.m.

Response to post #234: You mean, fumber, that you were born in a foreign country and are hence ineligible for the presidency? I don't consider that a horrible choice. You had no say in the matter. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2008 @ 9:02 p.m.

Response to post #236: Then expatiate. You did have a say in the matter? Best, Don Bauder


Fred Williams Aug. 27, 2008 @ 6:16 a.m.

Don, I have unfortunate news.

As the Chairman of the Mayoral Search Committee, it was my unfortunate duty to look into Fumber's background.

He's right. He can never run for public office...

See, we conducted a DNA test and it was conclusive. In addition to having one extra chromasome, it turns out his DNA more closely matches that of the Bonobo (Pan paniscus) than the divinely created Man (Homo sapiens).

The city charter is clear. While monkeying around with the public's business is perfectly acceptable, and it's fine to elect clowns, charlatans, fools, and even lawyers...we cannot elect our candidate because he's...well, he's too closely related to an ape.

As a Christian Nation Under God (TM), you see, only those of us who were created from a bit of mud, or Adam's rib, are eligible for public office. Since it appears that Fumber evolved up from a primate ancestor, he's not qualified.

My sincere apologies,

Fred Williams Chairman Mayoral Search Committee


Don Bauder Aug. 27, 2008 @ 7:08 a.m.

Response to post #238: I have a friend who says there should be no controversy over evolution. It is possible to hold both views. He says that people he likes (including himself) were put on earth by a divine being. People he doesn't like evolved from the apes. Best, Don Bauder


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