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According to the Business Insider, 31% of San Diego's Thomas Jefferson School of Law 2012 grads did not have a job of any kind nine months after graduation -- highest of any U.S. law school. Also, Jefferson graduates have an average debt load of $168,800 -- highest of any law school. Fully 98% of grads had debt. Not far behind was San Diego's California Western School of Law with average indebtedness of $167,867 with 89% of grads laden with debt. In March, the American Bar Association Journal reported that around half of all law school grads had the kind of permanent, full-time legal jobs that people go to law school to get, according to Business Insider.

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Adam Andrus April 9, 2013 @ 10:59 p.m.

This is the kind of information pre-law students both need and should be aware of. Sure, highly ambitious individuals will shoot for the moon and strive to be the best they can be at any endeavor, but it's essential they know what they are getting themselves in to. I have deliberated many times about taking the plunge into law school and have researched my way out of that idea. It's doable...but sure is a mess to clean up post graduation.


Don Bauder April 10, 2013 @ 7:32 a.m.

AdamAnt11: There is definitely a surfeit of lawyers. Actually, the words "starving lawyer" go back more than half a century, so there have always been surpluses in some areas of the country and some areas of the law. Former Jefferson students have sued the institution. Best, Don Bauder


Visduh April 10, 2013 @ 7:36 a.m.

While these costly legal educations are an extreme example, there are many other sorts of educational programs that fail miserably to yield careers for their graduates. Plenty of those ultra-expensive nameless "small mid-western liberal arts colleges" send out their grads into a job market that cares not a whit about the wonderful educational "experience" they had. And all the while, the students are carrying six-figure debt loads that will require decades to pay off. Everyone should take a good hard look at any sort of higher education, especially where it will require them to engage in massive borrowing. If you want an education for its own sake, and not for occupational reasons, that's one thing. Most of those who go for higher education do it for the job or professional status it will produce, and when that is an empty promise, they are rightfully incensed. As far as these law schools are concerned, it is time for the weaker ones to close up altogether, and for even the best among them to cut back sharply on the number of students they admit every year. Only then, by bringing the supply into alignment with the demand, will this misery end.


Don Bauder April 10, 2013 @ 8:56 a.m.

Visduh: Good points. What about professors teaching print journalism? Are they running a scam? Lots of things to ponder here. Best, Don Bauder


Visduh April 10, 2013 @ 11:43 a.m.

I'd have to say that the professors are teaching an honorable discipline. As to whether the administrators should encourage young people to major in a discipline that currently has such bleak job prospects, that's another thing. The world will always need print journalists in some numbers. How many is the real question.


Don Bauder April 10, 2013 @ 12:03 p.m.

Visduh: Oh yes, the world will always need print journalists. The question is where the printed word will appear -- online, twitters, facebook? There will always be a written word. I'm not sure about metro daily newspapers: give them at least a generation, maybe more. But what happens to the J School profs? Best, Don Bauder


MURPHYJUNK April 10, 2013 @ 7:41 a.m.

Its just hard to muster any sympathy for lawyers ( or wannabe lawyers) these days.


Don Bauder April 10, 2013 @ 8:57 a.m.

Murphyjunk: In many respects, at least in San Diego, those lawyers who become judges are the most suspect of all. Best, Don Bauder


Visduh April 12, 2013 @ 7:44 p.m.

While we were beating up on Jefferson, that second comment about Cal Western didn't provoke any outrage. That school is supposed to be top-drawer and a first-rate sort of operation. Recently there was serious talk about it be coming UCSD's law school. Maybe it also needs some scrutiny as to its effectiveness.


Don Bauder April 12, 2013 @ 10:11 p.m.

Visduh: Good idea. Somebody should take a good look at Cal-Western. Certainly UCSD should if what you say is true. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder April 13, 2013 @ 4:04 p.m.

tomjohnston: Cal-Western is a tough grader. That's a positive. The employment rate for 2010 also looks very good. Best, Don Bauder


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