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National Football League owners today (May 20) voted unanimously to opt out of the collective bargaining agreement with players. The players union says that a lockout is possible in 2011. "All this means is that we will have football now until 2010 and not until 2012," said the head of the players union. The outside attorney for the players union said that following the owners' move, the players will ask for a greater share of revenues. They now get 60 percent of revenues. There is definitely a chance of a lockout erasing the 2011 season. With this hanging over football, would any city shell out money to get a team to relocate there? The move may hurt the Chargers' chances of finding a new home outside of San Diego.

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JohnnyVegas May 20, 2008 @ 10 p.m.

I think football at most Division I schools make money, certainly at major schools (Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma and so forth), and if they make enough money they can support other sports programs.

I think HS and college sports has a lot to offer-but I think pro sports has turned into the biggest corprate welfare scam in America.

Fumbler, why don't you try getting off that chair shaped fanny of yours that is 4 sizes too big and start an exercise program, might work out some of your aggressions.

I feel sorry for your wife (or long time companion).... if you have one. You are one grouchy whiner.


Don Bauder May 20, 2008 @ 10:26 p.m.

Response to post #3: At SDSU, academic departments are working with ancient equipment and trying to teach with too few faculty members so that the university can subsidize football. It is an ugly reflection on society. Best, Don Bauder


JohnnyVegas May 20, 2008 @ 3:22 p.m.

Good, I hope there is no football in 2011.

Billionaire owners and millionaire players acting like little cry babies in a 1st grade recess dispute.

I hope they cancel the 2011 season. I hope they all lose a ton of money. I hope the fans wake up and smell the coffee, and then take their time returning to the games.

Football, all sports, has been reduced to the all mighty dollar-nothing more.

I stopped watching pro football more than 2 decades ago-after Al "Carpet Bagger" Davis moved from Oakland to Los Angeles.

Never looked back and don't miss it one bit.


Don Bauder May 20, 2008 @ 3:34 p.m.

Response to post #1: Al Davis was one of the original extortionists. Now everybody does it -- NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, etc. Best, Don Bauder


Burwell May 20, 2008 @ 7:20 p.m.

Football and baseball is for morons. I hope I live to see the day when the Chargers and the Padres leave San Diego and there are no pro teams left in San Diego. Sports should also be banned at state supported colleges and universities. The amount of money SDSU wastes on sports is staggering.


Don Bauder May 20, 2008 @ 10:27 p.m.

Response to post #4: It sounds like fumber is a jockstrap. We're learning a little bit more about him every day. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder May 20, 2008 @ 10:31 p.m.

Response to post $5: I have not seen the numbers on what percentage of big schools makes money on football. That would be interesting. Football costs a lot of money; the rosters are huge compared with other sports. Best, Don Bauder


MarkScha May 21, 2008 @ 9:31 a.m.

Response to post #1: No football for one year may not have much of an economic effect. Pro hockey lost one whole year to a lockout and seems as financially strong as ever.


Don Bauder May 21, 2008 @ 11:32 a.m.

Response to post #9: No football at all would not have much economic effect. This is the great myth perpetuated by MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL. Pro sports facilities draw in almost no money from the outside. Money is simply recirculated inside a community. The fellow who goes to a Padres games and has three beers and some hot dogs doesn't spend money someplace else. The Super Bowl is a fraud; the NFL claims it boosts an economy by $135 million. Economists say the boost is probably one-tenth of that, and possibly not at all. Best, Don Bauder


Don Bauder May 22, 2008 @ 8:27 a.m.

Response to post #11: As I recall, the pro football and baseball industries suffered the year following their strike year, but then recovered. Best, Don Bauder


MarkScha May 21, 2008 @ 8:34 p.m.

Response to post #10: Maybe I should have said "business effect," that is, the owners and players only. I apologize for being vague.


Fred Williams May 23, 2008 @ 9:06 a.m.

It's not only SDSU that loses bundles year after year on football.

The San Diego Community College District also wastes money on football and baseball.

Years ago, I had a friend who attended Mesa College as a football star, transfered to Utah State, and was so good that he spent three years as a professional in the NFL.

He was one of the very, very, very rare few who actually saw his dream come true. His career was average, ending with injuries like most professional football players.

A few years later, he was scrounging for any kind of work. His biggest problem was that he couldn't read or write. I helped him fill out some job applications, but he was qualified for nothing, and barely able to walk without excruciating pain. His NFL salary was long-gone, along with the fancy car and new clothes.

He still loved football, but he hated the NFL, the players union, and the owners of the teams with a passion.

Last I heard from him, I loaned him enough money for a bus ticket to his father's place in Texas.

This is what happens to the lucky ones. Just think of all the "student athletes" who waste their one opportunity for an education because they spend their time in the sports apartheid system, insulated from the real world, passed by compliant professors even when they are obviously unable to do even basic academic work.

They end up having attended college, but having learned nothing of value to the real world. They only know football, and cannot even perform basic tasks. How many former players are now homeless?

Games are great...for children. When it becomes the sole focus of alleged adults, society is in trouble.

Even if a few (very few) schools make a bit of money on sports, they should stop. It's morally wrong to cheat young people of their education in this way.

For the cash-strapped community colleges to waste money on semi-pro sports is a scandal that should be stopped.


Don Bauder May 23, 2008 @ 12:23 p.m.

Response to post #14: You are touching on some very profound topics. The worship of professional and amateur athletes is a sad reflection on our society, but we are not alone. Have you seen TV clips of fans in South America, France, U.K. go ga-ga over soccer? Do you remember running back for the Chargers who said he had attended UCal-Berkeley and never once gone to class? The NFL's abandonment of players injured during their careers is disgraceful. These owners are billionaires for the most part, and many are tied to organized crime and/or the gambling profession. Yet they are so greedy that they won't take care of retired players who are crippled for life. Best, Don Bauder


Fred Williams May 23, 2008 @ 12:43 p.m.

In many European countries they simply legalized sports betting and use the profits to subsidize the teams.

This allows the fans to support their teams without breaking the law, and reduces the need for public money.

Also, in most of Europe, youth sports are separate from educational institutions. The clubs pay for teaching the youngsters how to play at a professsional level, instead of diverting money away from academics.

This means that you don't get the sports-segregation so typical on our high school campuses. Instead, the students focus on learning.

I'm not sure how it works in Asia, but suspect they also keep schooling and sports separate.


Don Bauder May 23, 2008 @ 9:39 p.m.

Response to post #15: Pro sports and gambling are so closely intertwined that I have always believed that eventually, you will go to a football game and place a bet right there, just as at the racetrack. Have you noticed all the space that newspapers give to printing the point spread on games, particularly football? The two industries are like peas in a pod. Team owners have a leg up on the public because they know whether the quarterback has a gimpy knee, the star linebacker has the flu, etc. Owners have the "house" edge like a gambling casino has. Best, Don Bauder


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