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John Moores sinks Padres pay to number 29 of 30 teams
Pete, I've just been around a little longer than you so I've seen a few more games than you have. And I agree that while there are exceptions, football is usually best when served cold, just not -50 windchill cold. LOL I remember watching the ICE BOWL game on tv when I was a kid and the reality is that it wasn't really that great of a game because it was so cold. It was just the last drive and the last play people remember. And alot of people forget that the reason Lombardi called the running play was that he wanted the game over one way or another because it was too cold and he didn't want to risk missing a field goal and going into overtime. And Starr kept the ball instead of handing it off because he said his hands were so cold, he was afraid he would drop the ball if he tried to hand it off.— September 1, 2009 12:04 a.m.
John Moores sinks Padres pay to number 29 of 30 teams
Response to 157 Don, that game was the AFC Championship game. A week after the Miami game, the Chargers end up playing in about -50 windchill. And it wasn't on that list because it was a s***ty game that the Chargers were never in. Also,it paled in comarison to the late game that day which was the epic 49ers-Cowboys game.— August 31, 2009 11:44 p.m.
John Moores sinks Padres pay to number 29 of 30 teams
Actually, it's more like 40% (9 of 22) were not inclement weather with 2 teams playing inside; the other is Detroit. They played in the Pontiac Silverdome from 1975-2001— August 31, 2009 10:36 p.m.
John Moores sinks Padres pay to number 29 of 30 teams
Pete, I'm disapointed that you keep changing your arguement.Your last post was that only one game was played in warm weather and all the others were played in either extremly cold weather or really s***ty weather. Now what your saying is that all the really good games were played in cold weather. Make up your mind, dude. And only 3/4 of the games on your list were played in inclement weather; hell, 1 of them wasn't even played out doors(the vikings have played indoors since 1982). Like I said before, by virtue of the fact that 2/3 of the teams play in cold weather cities then of course the majority of the best games, especially if you want to go back 50 yrs, are going to be cold weather games. They have to be. And your link is Top 10 weather games in NFL history, not top 10 GAMES in NFL history. Not the same thing. I understand your passion for the Packers and all the great cold weather games. But that being said, not all of the greatest games have been cold weather and not all of the greatest players have been from cold weather teams.— August 31, 2009 10:27 p.m.
John Moores sinks Padres pay to number 29 of 30 teams
#144 Come on Pete, don't cop out so easily. Of course more games have been played in cold or s***ty weather. That's because the conference championships are played in late December or early January and it's inherently colder then.(The San Diego-Miami game wasn't the conference championship game by the way, it was the division game) But there has been more than 1 warm weather championship game; try 1/2 dozen in Miami, 3 in LA, 1 in Tampa,1 in Jacksonville, 1 in San Diego, 1 in Tempe. Then let's not forget about the dozen conference championships played in Oakland and San Francisco. It's not exactly balmy in late December/early January but 55-65 is a hell of alot better that 10-20 (below in some cases). Your Packers even beat the 49ers there in the '97 game.I would be willing to bet the weather was alot better than it would have been in GB. Unfortunately they got beat by the Broncos 31-24(in San Diego btw, after being a 10 pt favorite). And the 81-82 49ers-Cowboys game is considered a classic. If you look at the stats, you would see that about 1/3 of the Conference Championship games have been played in cities with temperate climates which coincidentally is about how many teams play in cities with temperate climates. Now if you wanted to include all of the championship games played since the NFL started, of course the number would be alot higher because there were no warm weather teams. But then that isn't really an honest comparison, is it???— August 31, 2009 2:37 p.m.
John Moores sinks Padres pay to number 29 of 30 teams
pete, The 3 winningest Superbowl teams are Pittsburg at 6-1, Dallas at 5-3 and San Francisco at 5-0. Only 1 cold weather team. Green Bay is 3-1,New York 3-1,Chicago 1-1,Washington 3-2, Denver 2-4, Buffalo 0-4 and New England is 3-3. More cold weather team get there more but you have to take into account the fact that only about 1/3 of the teams are in cities with moderate climates in the winter and several of the cold weather teams play indoors. Also, most cold weather teams practice indoors. I'm not sying the Chargers are on the level of these teams because with only 1 Super Bowl appearance, they clearly are not. Just sayin that the best Super Bowl teams are not all cold weather teams and , not counting the Steelers, they don't "usually" win, they win about half the time. BTW outdoor stadiums built in climates with an average January temperature of less than 50°F , by rule are not allowed to host the Super Bowl.— August 30, 2009 5:19 p.m.
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I think the Chargers are a little less than 1 game worse over the same time period. BTW, my 2 favorite qb's as a kid: Starr and Unitas. And my girlfriend, from 6th grade till junior year of high school, was born in Waukesha. You think I didn't hear all about the Packers from her dad and brother??? LOL— August 28, 2009 9:49 p.m.
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pete, I wasn't saying football wasn't serious business before the merger. I was using the merger as a common point of reference since the packers were formed 42 yrs, and 7 championships, before the Chargers started playing in San Diego. It is impossible to compare historical or empirical data or statistics without a common starting point. As I said, the merger is commomly used as a point of comparison.I also used 1970 as a reference point since from your picture you appear to be in somewhere in your thirties and so for the most part can speak from personal observation. I won't dispute the fact that over the history of the NFL the Packers are probably the best team, but as I said, in recent history, your lifetime, on the whole they have been relatively mediocre only averaging about 8 wins per season.— August 28, 2009 8:31 p.m.
John Moores sinks Padres pay to number 29 of 30 teams
novemberman, it's not actually going to be in LA. Roski's plan is for City of Industry and he CLAIMS that it it is going to be private financing. No offense gringo, but he has been making that claim for 2 years and still no financing has appeared. A billion for the stadium and probably 800 million for a team(remember, Roski is on record as saying he has to have ownership). I just don't see it.— August 28, 2009 12:42 p.m.
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pete, not to get into an argument with you about Packers/Chargers but.... Historically speaking, you are correct. 12 championships, but 9 were before the Super Bowl era. Three Super Bowls, the last in 1997. So, since the merger, GB has a Super Bowl win and SD doesn't. Point conceded. But in overall records, GB has averaged less than 1 win per season more than SD and they have won the conference twice while SD has only won it once. Better than SD in total. Not exactly domination though. Don't know about head to head records because I'm not anal enough to care. Just sayin that in YOUR lifetime, GB has been a little better, but not in a dominating fashion. BTW, the quote is actually "All publicity is good, except an obituary notice".— August 28, 2009 12:35 p.m.