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NY Times Knocks Company Copley Used to Fight Unemployment Claims

As far as I've been able to determine, every UI claim is reported by the EDD to the employer, and the employer is provided the opportunity to contest it. Say for example they tell you that your termination is a layoff, but when EDD sends the notice, they come back with some cause. That stops your claim dead in its tracks. If you don't contest the denial, you see no benefit payments. If you do contest it, then you see a "judge" and have a hearing. =========================== Every employee who files an UI claim has his or her employer contacted by EDD. If the employer does not contest the claim then I would assume it is an automatic default win for the employee. The EDD employee interviews the former employee/applicant and that EDD employee then makes the initial determination of benefits. Not a judge. These initial determinations are, in my experience, just crap shoots. The EDD employees are not properly trained and the ones I have dealt with in the past have the brainpower of untrained circus chimps. Either side can then appeal the EDD's initial ruling, and then an administrative hearing is scheduled. The fact is this, “for cause” denials of UE insurance are the rare exception. The employer has the burden of proof and it is a fairly high burden to meet, as discussed next. Being incompetent, stupid, dumb, not getting along with coworkers, being difficult to work with, excessive illness- not a single one is "for cause". As long as the employee is "ready, willing and able" to do the job, and show up for work and try- they are eligible for the UE benefits. An employer can fire you for any reason they want to (absent an employment contract), but they don’t get to deny you UI for any reason-it is limited to “for cause” which is usually a criminal act or dereliction of job duties-such as showing up late, not showing up at all. As for the administrative judges making the wrong choice-this does happen and I must say it is common in my experiences-even though the administrative judges are licensed CA. lawyers. It is not a very good system, especially if the EDD employee makes the WRONG determination up front. That forces the applicant to go 2 months (maybe more today) with NO money coming in before an administrative hearing can be held. The applicant must still file their weekly UI claim but the money is not paid until the administrative judge over rules the initial denial.
— April 4, 2010 10:33 p.m.

NY Times Knocks Company Copley Used to Fight Unemployment Claims

Many larger companies use firms such as Talx, but they are not the ones to blame= USUALLY. In my experience the biggest point of failure is the EDD office itself, and the mental morons they hire to make an initial finding of eligibility. The EDD people generally are very slow and fairly incompetent. If either side loses at that initial stage, an administrative hearing/trial is set up. That process used to take 60 days from time of request to decision. If the employee was found at fault (fired for CAUSE, such as theft, truancy etc.) then no money was paid for that 2-month period and the claim was denied. If the employee won at the admin hearing then all the back pay for that 2-month period was awarded and future payments were paid. It has also been my experience that a high % of the admin judges were/are also fairly incompetent. If you were to lose at the admin hearing you appeal to the Superior Court, which is a fairly complex proceeding and most people would not be in a position to make an appeal to the Superior Court because of attorney costs. In fact most people do not even request admin hearings b/c they are ignorant of their rights. I have heard that today that the time period for the initial admin hearing process can take up to 4 months (don’t know if that is true). If you have no money coming in then 4 months is enough to have you to living on the streets and homeless. I was involved with FIVE!!! EDD appeals within a 20-month period in the early 90’s, and ALL FIVE were reversed at the admin hearing-4 went my way, one went the employers way. But that shows you the quality, and how far off the mark, the EDD employees were. Five initial decisions, out of five, were over turned. That is a pretty sad record. Generally speaking appeals should not be overturning in more than 10% of cases-if the % is higher than 10% you have some pretty incompetents making the initial rulings. EDD, like all government jobs, is an environment filled with nepotism, cronyism and the hiring of unqualified employees based on factors other than merit.
— April 4, 2010 2:54 p.m.

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