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This Crisis Is New? The City Confessed Six Years Ago
Hey Parrothead what, in your mind is fair wage, not benefits, just the annual wage for cops in San Diego? ========== Well JustClueeless, for you it would be minimum wage. Sworn LE made up to, but not more than, other semi skilled jobs until the last 15-20 years. LE is similar to all trades, and that is what they should be paid. The job is LESS dangerous, requires LESS training going in (ZERO) and requires less education than most trades. The ONLY thing that should require a premium in LE are the graveyard shifts and holiday shifts-everything else is no different than regular work (such as swing shifts and weekend work). Like I said, your whoppers probably go over good at cop conventions, but they won't cut it with the public anymore.— August 3, 2010 5:36 p.m.
This Crisis Is New? The City Confessed Six Years Ago
Do you really believe because of the scenarios you describe, you should get to retire earlier, at 90% of your working pay? By SanDiegoParrothead ---- Yes By JustWondering ========================= Oh brother .......you can't make this stuff up.....(SurfPuppy619 slams head into wall 1,000 times to stop the pain and suffering)— August 3, 2010 3:58 p.m.
This Crisis Is New? The City Confessed Six Years Ago
In California sworn personnel must be 21 not 18 as you imply. By JustWondering ============ Wrong again amigo. Another whopper. You ony have to be 21 to be sworn in- you can (and many of the connected few are) be hired at age 20.5 and attend academy training, which can last up to 6 months depending on the agency and their training, and receive FULL comp during the training. So if you're a 20.5 year old living in Richmond, CA and get hired at that age you will be earning more comp than a general practioner doctor who as one of the best and brightest students has 11 years of college under their belt at a cost of $300K-$500K. In what fantasy world does this happen besides CA???. Stop the whoppers and stop the drama about how you get in fights every night with MMA superstars, or save kids in your arms or have someone with AIDS spit on you, or get hauled into a deposition. Although there is NO doubt SOME of these things happen to most cops at some point in their career, it is not common. I have a good friend who works at Chino State Prison, has for years, and I asked how often a guard gets "gassed" (an inmates urine and feces mixed together and then tossed in the guards face), and he told me straight up almost never-once or twice in a CAREER. So do some of these things happen, certainly, but it is not as often as drama queens like you claim. I would bet that less than 5% of a departments sworn personnel have ever had to sit through a deposition (which you get paid for I might add), much less actually been named in a lawsuit. You need to take those whoopers to an SEIU beach party where the rose colored glasses they hand out might make them seem more believable.— August 3, 2010 3:55 p.m.
This Crisis Is New? The City Confessed Six Years Ago
Don you really want 60 year safety employees? I'm trying to imagine a 60 year old lifeguard on the beach? What about 58 year old cop? By JustWondering ================ Hey Just "Mr. I'm Too Old To Work Like The Rest Of America" Clueless, if YOU are to old to work a beat then I will find you a job at the local K-6 school as a crossing guard-can your weak butt handle that???? Lamest excuse I have ever heard-yet these clowns trot it out there like it is legit every chance they can. And I LOVE all the NEW taxes you want to impose on the working class poor who are better educated but only making 1/3 the comp you clowns are at the SO and FD. Plenty of work in this City you can do besides work a beat.— August 3, 2010 3:35 p.m.
This Crisis Is New? The City Confessed Six Years Ago
That's nonsense. You've swallowed the media hype. Unions do not have fiduciary duties unless you mean a service, such as health benefits, to their members if money is held in trust. ======================= JustClueless, the board of directors of the retirement fund, not the unions per se, but their reps, do have a fiduciary duty to their members to make sure the fund is run in a responsible manner-that would include NOT allowing the muni to UNDERFUND the pension fund in exchange for better benefits when that under funding puts the solvency of the fund in jeopardy. By placing the fund in jeopardy the directors violated their fiduciary duty, the highest duty allowed owed law. Do you seriously think the pension fund would be upside down today if the pension directors refused to play ball with McGrory and Golding on the under funding of it in exchange for bumps in pensions????? No, the fund would be fine if the directors did their fiduciary duty to do what is best for the fund-the members would not have the increased illegal retroactive raises they enjoyed (but didn’t pay for), but the fund would be solvent.— August 3, 2010 8:34 a.m.
This Crisis Is New? The City Confessed Six Years Ago
New Police Officers earn six percent less in wages, PLUS all retirement pickups have been eliminated. =========== Oh MY!!!! GED educated cops getting comped $150K-$200K per year are going to actually have to CONTRIBUTE some of their OWN money to their OWN retirement. I pray and hope the world does not end with this grave miscarriage of justice :)— August 3, 2010 8:28 a.m.
This Crisis Is New? The City Confessed Six Years Ago
New Police Officers cannot access the so-called 3@50 retirement system. They've been returned to the 1995 levels of 3%@55. Well not exactly the 1995 levels. You see in 1995 the rate was up to 2.99%@55 BUT with no cap. In other words, if you chose to work longer, past 55 you could earn more than 100% of your salary. ================== Which is still LESS than they would "earn" if they were in the 3%@50 scam, b/c 3%@50 has annual COLA's. After 3% of annual bumps on 3%@50 they would be at 105% at age 55, while doing absolutely nothing those 5 years except leech taxpayer cash. At least we have them "earning" (your words not mine) their illegally gifted retroactive pensions up until the age of 55, which is still 12 years earlier then Social Security. Not to mention they will have to actually contribute SOMETHING during those five (5) years. As for DROP, it was, is now, and always will be a scam to double dip under the pretext of "keeping" senior employees-when all they have to do to "keep" senior employees is raise the retirement age from the artificially ridiculously low age of 50 to age 62 or more. Of course then the DROP scam would not work. JustClueless with more public employee spin from the peanut gallery, trying to paint the picture of how hard it is for our poor abused, gov employees. Hold on a second while I toss my cookies.— August 3, 2010 8:25 a.m.
This Crisis Is New? The City Confessed Six Years Ago
You can edit your comments on the Reader website until such time as someone reads your comment. After your comment has been read it can no longer be edited. By Burwell ============== Makes no sense, should be able to edit whenever you want to....— August 2, 2010 11:09 p.m.
This Crisis Is New? The City Confessed Six Years Ago
I don't know if the sales tax issue is a go for the November election. I just received this from Carl DeMaio; It's Baaaack! Help us kill the Sales tax increase once and for all! The San Diego City Council will be meeting this coming Wednesday morning in another attempt to push through a sales tax hike. This time the City Council attached empty reforms with no teeth to the tax hike to use as window dressing in an attempt to fool the public. We need you now more than ever to voice your opposition to a sales tax increase that will hurt San Diego working families and small businesses. We need you to demand REFORM before REVENUE. The Meeting will take place at City Hall, 202 C. St. 92101 at 8:30AM this Wednesday August 4th. So, who will attend with me? I might show up for this one.— August 2, 2010 4:26 p.m.
This Crisis Is New? The City Confessed Six Years Ago
Someone better tell that to Del Mar so they can shut down their para-mutual betting, the various indian tribes so ... ========= Indian tribes are not part of CA., they are their own Sovereign nation.— August 2, 2010 12:51 p.m.