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San Diego Coalition of Reason
re: #61: I can see if I can get the book online through the online archive. Thx.— November 20, 2009 10:23 p.m.
San Diego Coalition of Reason
re: #59: Puppy, this is a thread debating the existence of a god. Don't you think it appropriate the exchanges should be a tad less superficial than usual, hmmm? Never mind, have a Scooby snack and sit quietly while the people speak. re: #60: "more" private hidden code communications? [grimace] Please, Puppy, we've already had one nutjob lately ;)— November 20, 2009 10:21 p.m.
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Ah, it's a football thing. I geeetttt it. ;)— November 20, 2009 9:43 p.m.
San Diego Coalition of Reason
I made that spelling up, so do I get a "safety?" (Or do I want a "safety?") AG, it would help if there were dates attached to these quotations, so we could follow the progression of Einstein's thoughts and beliefs. It is a bit confusing; first he says a sense of "mystery" defines the parameters of his religious feeling, but then later denies both mystery and mysticism. He denies being a pantheist, but then you say he is a pantheist by 1929. Would also like to see the sentences preceding and following this one: #4. "...serious scientific workers are the only profoundly religious people." Thanks to AG and Fred for making this an interesting thread ;)— November 20, 2009 9:33 p.m.
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PS: Let's also not equate atheists with Ayn Rand a-holes. Thanks ;)— November 20, 2009 8:39 p.m.
San Diego Coalition of Reason
I'm underslept, or would try to contribute something more intelligible to the philosophical side of this convo. So far, I am mainly with Fred, excepting the social implications; it is best to live and let live--if folks want to believe in talking snakes and rib women, fine. When it becomes a problem for me? When religion is used to regulate a standardized one-size-fits-all morality, thus obfuscating needed boundaries between church and state. Brief and obvious example would be the moral majority's ability to keep gays from marrying. I'm tired of living with many of the moralized judgements pressed on us in subtle and not-so-subtle ways by our national religion, though many Christians moan that they feel forced to apologize for being themselves (apparently they are apologizing while trying to witness to me in ways I am presumably not going to recognize, and just eat up the 'message' like a good girl). ...and let's not forget that fumbler's interspecies dating rights have also been denied him (which makes him raawhther grumpy). ;)— November 20, 2009 8:38 p.m.
Men and Babies
fixed: learned by "example" (not by former maple trees) ;)— November 20, 2009 4:22 a.m.
Men and Babies
re: #19: "The sorry truth of women's lives are writ small and large across these threads!!!!" I may live in some kind of La la land, Cuddles, but I do NOT think that one has to live with some of the atrocious male types we've encountered here. I don't know many who are sexist, racist a-holes in my "real life" because I only gather to me people of both sexes that I like and chuck the rest, I guess. I've also had very good luck with my current relationship of ten years, with a man who is solid gold. Most of it is due to the way I think about men; I don't automatically stereotype them (boring!), or expect stereotyped behavior from them, and they tend to come through because again--I chuck the ones who don't. I'm not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but do try to approach people in a nonjudgemental, compassionate way, accepting them as flawed but fascinating individuals of whatever sex or gendered orientation, just like myself ;) re: #20: "My exposure to realistic family matters is simply because I do not spawn from a scholastic family (albeit intelligent beyond belief) that had the "perfect" family dichotomy that breeds secrets, and all that go with them. Your family may be the exception to the norm." I do not spawn from a scholastic family, either. I am the first to receive a Master's, much less almost finish a Phd. My extended family is as full of dysfunction and alcoholism as anyone else's, and I was raised by a single mother who dated the kind of manipulative, infantile, addict loser I learned by exmaple--and for survival-- to swear off in my late teens. If I described to you the way I grew up, you'd probably be shocked, and sorry. It's as bad or worse as anyone else's sad experience of childhood. Here, I was describing two fathers I know in my extended family, and wanted to give kudos to them for being great dads and people. Nothin' wrong with that :)— November 20, 2009 4:21 a.m.
The Emperor's New Prose
Well, it is a free site, after all. I guess I'll try again with this in the morning. If it doesn't work, I'll just take it down. ;(— November 20, 2009 2:13 a.m.
San Diego Coalition of Reason
re: #10: My eternal admiration. Check.— November 20, 2009 1:46 a.m.