We didn't use drugs in Ti and Do's classroom except as prescribed by a doctor at times or some over the counter but there was no such "illegal or recreational" use of drugs. Suicide was never encouraged. You might want to read my comment and my blog entry to learn the truth.

Sawyer: Suicide was certainly encouraged to those 39 who killed themselves to get on the space flight to a higher level of existence above human. And 39 would seem to be a fairly large percentage of membership. Best, Don Bauder

I understand that it seems that way but I take issue with the use of the word, "encouraged". For 28 of the 38 students it was known from day one when they joined that it was about giving one's all, including one's physical human life, which is why they were all required to leave all their human attachments behind. When Do held a meeting in September of 1994 that was the last meeting I attended he told of the method he was considering for their exit (which he brought up a week or so before that) that included drinking a drug mixture that would put our vehicles into a permanent sleep - thinking that was the gentlest way to do it. He required hearing from each of the students that included as little as 12 new members, asking if they had any "reservations" on proceeding, though it was in the future they were talking about. One new member immediately said they didn't' want to do that so the next day that person was given some help to leave the group. (I was given an airplane ticket to phoenix from California and $600, though that was after this meeting). Some days later Arrody also chose to leave because of having reservations. He had joined in 1975 or 1976 but had left the group around 1983 or so and had rejoined in 1994 when the option to join was made available and he somehow found one of our meetings around the U.S that year. Rio left about two weeks before they exited and wrote in his book that he never intended to go along with laying down his vehicles life but was staying til the last moment. Rio recounted his exchange with DO about his desire to leave and to the contrary of trying to talk him out of it - to "encourage him" to lay down his life with them, DO said when he spoke to Ti about it (Ti being outside her human vehicle then) he understood it was part of the plan and he (Rio) could even serve the Next Level outside the classroom. Thus he was encouraged to leave the group once he chose to and expressed it to DO. There is lots more I could say about this. I understand that DO said anyone who wanted to go with them would have to exit with them or at some undefined point in time after they exited, having the same mindset and after having "screamed" to the Next Level to know it is right for them to do - to have the courage. They also wrote about how suicide from a human perspective to escape diversity and difficult challenges in life was not the same as what they were doing. Stmody explained it well here: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/evolutionary-rights-for-victims/

That's not accurate either. In fact when the charges were dropped by the rental car company and he was faced with going to trial or getting out with time served and he chose pleading guilty to get out of jail right away, he had to pass a psychological exam as they knew of he and Ti's claims and he passed with flying colors though at that time in 1975 he admitted not a day going by that he didn't question his own sanity. This report continues the misinformation that he was in a mental institution which I can prove is now where he met Bonnie as Bonnie was a baby nurse and they don't have nurseries in a psychological institution. Some of the many lies told and retold.

Sawyer: But the bulk of the literature, at least that which I read, said the two of them met in a mental institution where he was a patient and she was a nurse. Best, Don Bauder

Don: I know that's what was circulated and is still reported but there is no truth to it. Here's some of why. Ti (in her vehicle named Bonnie Lu Truesdale Nettles) was a registered nurse and worked in a Houston Hospital at the time when they met. She worked in the nursery taking care of preemie babies. What kind of mental institution has a nursery.

Plus Do explained how, when and where he met Ti, to their students on several occasions in a group meeting with Ti present, that I witnessed. Then he wrote about it in the booklet self published called, "'88 Update - The UFO Two and Their Crew" and then in 1992 put the story in the Beyond Human - The Last Call video series. Each time he told the story with additions and subtractions but the same core story. He was visiting a sick friend in the hospital where Ti worked and was substituting for another nurse. He was not in the hospital as a patient. He never said why his sick friend was in the hospital. I did wonder if his friend was there because of a mental problem. Perhaps the hospital has a psychiatric ward. Do also always knew how "crazy" what He and Ti were saying sounded to many, even most and had to even get past the same kinds of doubts which they did early on in their awakening, though it was difficult for them. I can identify with that as well.

Here is 88update: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/88-update-the-ufo-two-and-their-crew/

Here is the Beyond Human session: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/beyond-human-the-last-call-session-1/

There are no members of the Heaven's Gate group as they all exited their bodies. Review my post regarding Mark and Sarah or better yet examine my blog entry at:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/article-in-san-diego-reader-quotes-mrc-saying-suicide-is-futile-when-do-and-crew-said-it-was-not-in-their-case/

Perhaps the 4 you are speaking of were Rkkody, Jstody, Oscody and Gbbody who I knew well in the group and when the first three were out of the group (at the time I left in 1994)

However, there are former members that still believe in Ti and Do and are doing their best to live by their behaviors and ways and are being of service by telling the truth that they witnessed.

My youtube channel is: 3spm where I've just completed a video series on Chapter 11 of the Book of Revelation that bring evidence galore to Ti and Do being the return of the Father and "Jesus" (in a new body as he said he would have) upon return, who performed the task of the Two Witnesses. My book is available all over the net and I give it away free on my blog. It's quite large and includes some of my 19 years of experience with Ti and Do but is mostly showing how They fulfilled all Jesus prophecy which includes those still to come until Their "garden" experiment is recycled and restarted with a new civilization as has occurred before, even many times on Earth.

Sawyer: Anybody who is interested can read Sawyer's purported information that he claims is online. Best, Don Bauder

Yes there is a great deal I have posted and made video's about. Here is the appendix to my book that includes free links to the Heaven's Gate book and to my youtube channel: 3SPM and Wordpress Blog where my book can be found. It's name is: "Ti and Do The Father and "Jesus" Heaven's Gate UFO Two Witnesses". Search my blog for that title, (perhaps without the quote marks):

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/25/book-appendix-links/

I'll furnish the black Nike's.

Ponzi: Can you afford to supply black Nike's to 36 percent of the population? Best, Don Bauder

"A thinning of that heard" ... just what are you suggesting?

JustWondering: I think he is talking about the 36 percent of the population that is Trump's loyal base. Best, Don Bauder

swell: Time should thin the herd you allude to. Best, Don Bauder

Don: There's no doubt, time IS the predator that takes us all. Sadly, some, more slowly than they deserve.

Time has also thinned the herd of hair follicles on the top of my head, more quickly than I deserved.

Time is a wicked and unpredictable master.

JustWondering: On the subject of time being our master, read Dylan Thomas's poem "Fern Hill." Best, Don Bauder

Is time also wicked when we get a lot of time or if our time is difficult or if our time is easy?

I'd gamble to say it's harder to follow what I write. It's a huge picture and the truth about all Ti and Do taught and did over 25 years is about as challenging to all our sacred cows as we can imagine.

thanks for the link. Here is a blog entry with my in depth comments re: what Mark (and Sarah?) said in the same interview that was posted in a number of places: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/10/30/upvoted-com-interview-with-heavensgate-com-webmasters-and-sawyers-claims-of-misinformation/

AlexClarke: Heaven's Gate was a cult, and one of the craziest ones I have ever read about. Sorry about that, Sawyer. Best, Don Bauder

what about the long list of dangerous human organizations that do evil throughout the world and promote fantasy ideas and propoganda and involved millions of live destroyed for various agendas.

i.e. Catholicism, presby, protestantism, methodist, etc., Hinduism, Buddhism, Sciencism, Nationalism, atheism, ethnicism, genderism, sexualism, humanism.

But hardly anyone can see their precious Jesus for who he was a cult leader no different from Ti and Do though are what Do called the "cult of truth" and the cult of cults.

For any avid researcher they will find that Ti and Do's cult was very, very different in major ways from most all the others.

It's not often my equipment fails to pick up an edge this sharp for such a long time, but I got you now!

Just take a look at the pure, unbridled edginess on display here, folks. What a perfect specimen of an edgelord in its natural habitat. Don't address him directly unless you can handle a poorly researched ad hominem attack on your intelligence and beliefs!

shirleyberan: Agreed. Best, Don Bauder

No not all lives are worth saving. Hitler, Manson, terrorists, gangbangers and the like come to mind. There are some people so evil that they should be exterminated.

AlexClarke: Yes, but exterminating the repugnant ones, unless done in war, can still get you thrown in the hoosegow for life. Best, Don Bauder

and then who will exterminate the exterminators when they turn into the same evil doers as we see happening all over the planet with endless war on terror but no problem with state terrorism.

People might want to really study history to learn the real reasons for WWI, WWII, etc. The victors always justify themselves yet their dirty laundry list is very long but it's not publicized to the main stream often gullible public so it's made into a "conspiracy" - exactly what many are except

yeah and especially the drug of wealth and treasure and sexual stimulus. Try going without any sexual stimulus for a while and see what kind of pressure one is under to have their fix. Some need that fix even a number of times a day. Only difference is it doesn't cost money (generally) to have one's fix.

Ponzi: If that's what it takes to be a web developer, no thanks. I am too old and too much of a Luddite anyway. Best, Don Bauder

I Repubs loot 2 Billion out of Medicare, then it could be an additional 40M+ losing Medicare....

SportsFan0000: It's the potential looting of Medicaid, and shifting the proceeds to the superrich, that is so socially repugnant. Best, Don Bauder