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Mark Twain speaks again in St. Louis

"It is extortion, but they are in a position to demand it."

St. Louis's aldermen voted yesterday (December 18) by 17-10 to build a billion-dollar-plus stadium to keep the Rams in the city. But the football team's owner, Stan Kroenke, has never shown any interest in keeping the team there, and his approval is crucial. He wants to move the Rams to a stadium he hopes to build in Inglewood.

The vote assumes the National Football League will put $300 million in the pot. The NFL warned the city that its maximum is $200 million, and it may not even give that.

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Trenchant comments suggest the spirit of Mark Twain still exists in the city.

"It is extortion," said one alderman, noting that neither Kroenke nor the NFL needs the money, "but they are in a position to demand it. What we've tried to do is put together a bill that stinks a little less." (But he voted in favor of building a new stadium.)

Another alderman said it was like going to a strip club and having the stripper throw your money back at you.

A former St. Louis resident told me, "Never be built. A joke."

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St. Louis's aldermen voted yesterday (December 18) by 17-10 to build a billion-dollar-plus stadium to keep the Rams in the city. But the football team's owner, Stan Kroenke, has never shown any interest in keeping the team there, and his approval is crucial. He wants to move the Rams to a stadium he hopes to build in Inglewood.

The vote assumes the National Football League will put $300 million in the pot. The NFL warned the city that its maximum is $200 million, and it may not even give that.

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Trenchant comments suggest the spirit of Mark Twain still exists in the city.

"It is extortion," said one alderman, noting that neither Kroenke nor the NFL needs the money, "but they are in a position to demand it. What we've tried to do is put together a bill that stinks a little less." (But he voted in favor of building a new stadium.)

Another alderman said it was like going to a strip club and having the stripper throw your money back at you.

A former St. Louis resident told me, "Never be built. A joke."

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After attending meetings of boards of local agencies here in the SD area, I've come to marvel at how some members can make strong and vocal objections to proposals. And I'm marveling more at how, having had their say, they will then vote in the affirmative. If that alderman had the strength of his convictions, he'd have voted against it. Ahh, but I suspect that to a degree unknown here locally, keeping that team is truly the third rail of St Louis politics. No alderman who voted "no" in that meeting can consider his/her seat safe, even if he/she usually runs unopposed. So, the insanity we see here is repeated across "the fruited plain."

We have that old definition of insanity that I won't repeat here, and something very similar is in action when it comes to NFL teams and stadia. Can anyone see a city as behaving sanely when it tries to bribe a team to stay, when the team has told everyone most clearly that it wants to leave, and will leave at the first viable opportunity?

St Louis was once a manufacturing center, a railroad hub (due to its output of goods), and even had a world's fair a century ago. Today it isn't any great shakes, and I suppose if you live there, having the city taken down a few notches is galling. Add that to the dearth of amusements and entertainment, and I suppose getting all wrapped up in the local head-banging franchise does make some sense.

Dec. 19, 2015

Visduh: Good points, but the same mentality prevails in San Diego. The people who are real sports fanatics -- about 20% of the voters -- will vote en masse, and include some of the richest folks in town. Politicians know that their money comes to a large extent from these fanatics. That's how these scams get pulled off in almost every city.

Let me change the subject a bit. Remember the killing of the African-American young man in Ferguson, Missouri? It was very big news for awhile and is still in the news. Few know that one of the U.S. companies -- considered one of the best-managed corporations in America -- is based in Ferguson. It is Emerson Electric. I never heard a peep from that company. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 19, 2015

Apparently the shooting was justified after all, tragic though it was.

Dec. 19, 2015

Yet all Michael Brown had to was follow the officer's law order to stop. But Brown knew he had just committed a strong-arm robbery so he had nothing to lose by attacking the officer.

Dec. 19, 2015

Flapper: Was shooting to kill justified? Why can't police use taser guns more, or shoot to injure? Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 19, 2015

Don: Police officers are not taught to kill but taught to stop the threat. Police shoot at the mass. Only in the movies is their time to aim and shoot and hit someone in the arm. In a real situation the officer only has milliseconds to react to the threat. In all shooting situations everyone involved is moving so it is impossible to shoot at something less than the mass. Most police shooting take place within three feet and therefore the officer can only point and shoot no aim and shoot.

Dec. 20, 2015

AlexClarke: But how do they knew there is a threat? In Cleveland, was Tamir Rice, playing with a toy gun, a threat? The boy was shot within seconds of when the police arrived. Couldn't the policeman have said, "Drop that gun!"? Ditto some of the Chicago shootings. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 20, 2015

If someone is reaching into their pants or jacket when confronted by the police and they do not comply with orders they can not wait to see the gun, knife or whatever the movements are the threat. As for Tamir Rice that was stupid police work. Never roll up to someone that is reported to be armed. They should have stopped their car well short of Tamir and taken cover (behind their open doors), announced themselves, and given orders. They put themselves in a position that did not give them time to observe and react to the situation. It is all in the training and some departments, large and small, have poor policies, procedures and training. It starts at the top. In the Rice case the police, including the dispatcher, who did not inform the officers that the RP thought it was a toy gun, did everything wrong. What can you say about Chicago? It is what it is.

Dec. 20, 2015

AlexClarke: When an adolescent playing with a toy gun can be shot within seconds of when the police arrive, the nation is in real trouble. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 20, 2015

JustWondering: Nothing to lose but his life. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 19, 2015

Flapper: I expect to read that. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 21, 2015

All eight shots as the officer followed Michael Brown for over 58 feet as he bled and walked. Did he fear for his life after each shot? Execution.

Dec. 22, 2015

MichaelValentine: Agreed. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 22, 2015

I'd never noted that Emerson Electric was hq'd in Ferguson. It pays a good dividend these days, and is well-regarded.

Dec. 19, 2015

Visduh: Good dividend, good company, but it faded into the background during the tumult. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 19, 2015

Anyone who visits St Louis and San Diego will immediately see that there is a different constituency in these cities. Remarkable differences in culture, education, ethnicity between these two populations. It is reasonable to expect that the people in one of these cities will have different priorities than those of the other.

Politicians are generally obliged to reflect the will of the people. San Diegans seem to have other priorities than spectator sports. With any luck we will be strong enough to remove this distraction and get on with what needs to be done.

Dec. 19, 2015

swell: Because of its weather, San Diego is not a great spectator sports town. But still, the business community backs corporate welfare for team owners in the form of massive stadium subsidies, and the politicians bow down and lick the shoes of billionaire team owners. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 19, 2015

The business community backs private taxes like the hotel tax, no increase in the minimum wage and of course the politicians don't need an excuse like football to kiss a billionaire's ... shoes. Just saying that the business community doesn't always (or never) acts in the interest of the general community.

Dec. 21, 2015

MichaelValentine: Unfortunately, the business community now seldom acts in the public interest. Forty years ago, it often did. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 21, 2015

I repeat myself. There should be a separation of state and sport. Let the team owners pay for their own stadiums. Let the teams know that cities don't need them as much as they need the cities. Let them become gypsies and see how actual game attendance goes. Then, make them pay a royalty to be connected to a city.

Dec. 19, 2015

CaptainObvious: That would be heavenly, but it isn't going to happen. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 19, 2015

Have to agree with the Capt'n! With more than a BILLION DOLLARS of deferred infrastructure maintenance, not to mention another potential billion or so on a new sewage treatment facility, the City has no business spending taxpayer dollars on a palace for billionaire owners and multi-millionaire players.

Dec. 19, 2015

CaptainObvious: I have been preaching that message for two decades. Progress toward sanity is very slow. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 19, 2015

They are gypsies. Can't get behind a team that's players are from bumbF anywhere except home.

Dec. 19, 2015

shirleyberan: Yes, it is inexplicable why people get so rabid about a team made up of players who did not come from the area and may not live there now. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 19, 2015

It should be no surprise, even with the ownership of the paper as it is, that this morning's Light News gave most of the front page to Nick "Can of peas" to have a rant about all the things, "failures" by the city, that resulted in today's game likely being the final Charger game in SD. (I struggle with that, 'cause there's no new stadium in LA, ground hasn't even been broken for one, and even if the move is approved, it isn't clear where NFL teams will play until that's settled. There are assumptions that a team can play at the Coliseum, and if it involves two teams, the second could use the Rose Bowl. That's all conjecture at this stage.) So, why is the paper now on this blame-and-regret binge? I'd guess it's so that the die-hard fans who still subscribe will not dump the rag once the team is gone.

Anyone have a better idea?

Dec. 20, 2015

Visduh: There are many claims that today's game will be the last at Qualcomm. Like you, I have trouble believing that. First, the planned financing of the proposed Carson stadium is not credible. Supposedly, a number of owners back Carson, however.

Stan Kroenke, owner of the St. Louis Rams, wants to move them to Inglewood to play in a stadium he wants to build. But it appears there is friction between the Chargers and Kroenke. That may mean that if Kroenke decides he wants a second team to play in his stadium (and that is not a sure thing), it could be the Raiders. The Chargers, having alienated San Diego, will return with tail wagging between its legs.

Of course, we don't know. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 20, 2015

visduh, USC, which controls the Coliseum, has already said they would be willing to "accommodate", for a price, a single NFL team relocating to Los Angeles. Pasadena and the powers that control the Rose Bowl has already voted NOT to allow a team to play there. When the NFL solicited proposals from the Los Angeles area facilities, the Rose Bowl committee didn't even bother to respond. Everything I have read says that the Spanos clan has the most support from the other owners for relocation.

Dec. 20, 2015

USC controls the Coliseum? I suppose now that it is used by no other significant teams, you might say that. The city should have final say. But your comments regarding the Rose Bowl are telling. If the NFL allows team(s) to move to LA, only one will have a place to play until one of those two new stadia is built, and neither is underway. So, it might be five years before the LA NFL franchise has any sort of "decent" stadium in which to play. How does that go down with Kroenke, or the Spanos gang, or the Raiders?

All this boo-hoo-hooing about the Bolts playing their last game in SD is likely most premature, if it ever comes about. Nick-o, one of the most effective and most long running shills for the Chargers, may be making a fool of himself with that column today. Er, hasn't he made a fool of himself already, many times? Uh, yes. But in sportswriting, that's just how it is done.

There is some irony to all of this in that LA has been telling the NFL for a long time that when the league is ready to send a team to LA, the Coliseum is ready and waiting. Oh, it ain't fancy enough? Why you can go ahead and fancy it up as much as you want. On your nickel, of course. No takers, if that's how LA operates.

Dec. 20, 2015

visduh The "city" hasn't controlled the Coliseum in more than half a century, if the "city" ever actually did at all. In the 1940's, The Coliseum Commission was created under a Joint Powers Authority agreement between the State of California, the County of Los Angeles, and the City of Los Angeles. In 2012, the Coliseum Commission approved a lease with USC for 98 years which effectively surrendered public control of the Coliseum to USC. It went into affect in July 2013 and transferred day-to-day management and financial responsibilities for the Coliseum and Sports Arena to USC. Essentially, the lease gives USC all the benefits of owning the stadium without having it to buy it. Now there is a a provision that requires USC to cooperate with any request by the City or County of Los Angeles for use of the Coliseum on a temporary basis by an NFL team, for no longer than 4 years. But other than that, USC controls it. There are problems with using the coliseum for a "permanent " home for an NFL team. First, the Coliseum a National Historic Landmark, meaning any renovations would have to be complementary to the most identifiable parts of the building. Ask Chicago how that works. Also, Los Angeles voters will not vote to use public money to renovate the Coliseum. That means private money from any future NFL inhabitant. Who is going to fork over millions, the last I read was about $300 million 10 years ago, when they don't own the stadium.

Dec. 21, 2015

You've done your homework on that matter, for sure. I stand corrected. But hasn't the 20 year hiatus of NFL in Los Angeles largely been due to the city insisting that any franchise play at the Coliseum or else build its own venue? My take was that the local power structure really wanted to keep the Coliseum as its one-and-only stadium.

Maybe you can provide a thumbnail sketch of the history of the Coliseum. I recall that existed in some form prior to the 1932 Olympics, but was built out to something like its present "glory" for those games. Then it served as the home stadium for USC, UCLA, and while the team was in LA, the Rams. It was spiffed up, but not really renovated, for the 1984 Olympics. Yes, if it is now a historic structure, it cannot be massively altered, yet it is too large to be ignored.

Dec. 21, 2015

visduh There are many easy to find sources on the history that you can utilize should you desire more information. As I remember, the basics are this. It was built in the 1920's in much the same form as it is now, including the peristyle. Originally seating about 75K, the structure was expanded up to increase the seating to just over 100k and the Olympic torch was added. The track was installed for the 1984 Olympics. The Chargers started life in the Coliseum and the Dodgers played their home games there for several years until Dodger Stadium was finished. I would say that the NFL's absence for is due in large part to the fact that no one wants to pay for the necessary renovations to the Coliseum to accommodate an NFL team or pay for their own stadium. About 10 years ago, the NFL was working on bringing a team to the Coliseum or to a new stadium built on property the NFL bought on Orange County in close proximity to Anaheim Stadium, if not both sites. No money, no stadium, no team.

Dec. 21, 2015

I"m sure that sources are easy to find. I was being lazy. While I seldom wax nostalgic about sports, I saw what was the best football game of my life in the Coliseum when UCLA and USC had their annual shootout in 1965. With five minutes to go, the Bruins were down 16-6, and yet they won it 20-16. Two years later I saw what is still called "the game of the century" between those two teams. (They were ranked #1 and #2 in the nation.) To win the Pac-8 title, UCLA had only to tie USC. USC prevailed by one point, 21-20, due to a missed PAT kick.

Dec. 21, 2015

Visduh: I have always marveled how so many great high school athletes go to Nebraska, Michigan, et al and freeze to death when they can be fixed up with aspiring Hollywood starlets on the beach and go to either UCLA or USC, Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 22, 2015

There is the problem of smog, traffic, and the general malaise of life in LA. I'm not sure mere jocks get to date starlets much. Both of the universities mentioned claim that they actually demand academic performance from their varsity athletes, and if that's true, the poor guys have to crack books, attend class, take notes, and then pass exams. (I can't testify to the veracity of any of that, however,)

Dec. 22, 2015

Visduh: I think most big football mills claim their players have to keep up with academics. I don't know that anybody believes that. Fixing up high school prospects with young lovelies is a successful strategy that is seldom discussed.

In fact, the only such incident over which a stink was raised occurred at the University of Colorado -- at least that I can remember. No beach there, no starlets -- but lots of parties.

Universities publish their athlete graduation rate. I remember last year's Final Four in basketball. In the championship game, Wisconsin played Duke. UW had earlier beaten Kentucky. Duke and Kentucky recruit the best high school players in the nation, and expect them to stay in school one year, then go pro. Wisconsin boasted that its players were expected to go to school. Yes -- but the basketball team's graduation rate was 46 percent. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 23, 2015

danfogel: I believe the Raiders played there while they were in L.A. Maybe I am wrong on that. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 22, 2015

Yes, of course the did. But really, does anyone care about the Raiders?

Dec. 22, 2015

danfogel: What about the decay of the neighborhood? I understand that is a major problem. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 22, 2015

Visduh: At this juncture, I can't see how an informed group of owners can vote on this matter in January. I realize "informed group of owners" does not describe the 32 NFL owners, however. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 22, 2015

danfogel: That's my understanding on L.A. Where to play is a good question. Yes, what you read suggests Spanos has the most backing for relocation. But I, for one, do not believe it will be Carson. That financing package doesn't make sense.

I am beginning to believe that the decision will not be made in January. And maybe not in 2016. Perhaps the Chargers have not played their last game at the Q. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 21, 2015

Pro football is one Giant headache. Ask Junior Seau's family.

Dec. 20, 2015

Flapper: It is a headache, but it has the public by the short hairs. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 20, 2015

"Fan" is short for fanatic--another word for sucker.

Dec. 22, 2015

Flapper: True. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 22, 2015

"Concussion" the movie starring Will Smith as the research doctor who would not be silenced, comes out Xmas day 2015, pissing off some NFL big ones.

Dec. 20, 2015

shirleyberan: I wonder if it has been softened as a result of NFL pressure. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 21, 2015

They don't need the money is a statement that screams ignorance about greed. The billionaire members of the billionaire club called the NFL don't amass that much money without greed in spades.

Dec. 21, 2015

MichaelValentine: The 32 NFL owners may be the 32 greediest people in the U.S. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 21, 2015

don bauder, NFL owners are indeed greedy sons of bitches. But they are not even close to being the greediest people in the country.

Dec. 22, 2015

danfogel: OK. Name some of the greedier ones. I could think of several on Wall Street, but I want your list. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 22, 2015

A few in no particular order:

Larry Ellison

Jack Welch

Larry Page

Tim Cook

Sheldon Adleson

David Tepper

Jeff Bezos

Donnie Trump

The Koch boys

Dec. 22, 2015

danfogel: That is a good list. Sheldon Adelson is such a sweet, community-minded naif that he bought a newspaper to express his thanks to the community. You are right in putting Larry Ellison at the top of the list. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 22, 2015

I would nominate the dude who raised the price of an AIDS medication from about $13/pill to $750/pill - Martin Shkreli

Dec. 22, 2015

Nah. He's greedy for sure, but not nearly as greedy as the other guys, not even close. But I would put him in the list of top douche bags.

Dec. 22, 2015

db for sure!!

Dec. 23, 2015

ImJustABill: Yes, he is a DB. Hold on! DB are my initials. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 24, 2015

danfogel: Do you think he will ever go to the slammer? Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 23, 2015

danfogel: But he is so young. He hasn't had time to join the list of the greediest. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 23, 2015

ImJustABill: Shkreli laments that he is being mistreated by prosecutors and the media. He is a repulsive little popinjay, isn't he? Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 23, 2015

In the masonry trade, he would be termed a mortarforker.

Dec. 23, 2015

Flapper: How does one fork mortar? Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 23, 2015

MichaelValentine: I have never heard of a billionaire or multi-millionaire who thought he or she had enough money. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 22, 2015

With all the talk from "Can of peas" and others, such as the mouthpieces on KOGO, about how the current stadium is "dilapidated" and other terms of disparagement, there's been an implicit assumption that whatever happens with the Chargers, that venue has to go, as in be demolished. So, what are they waiting for? I make a "modest proposal" that the city begin the demolition of the stadium this spring. After all, "everyone" knows it's a dump and unworthy of repair/renovation/refurbishment. What is the city waiting for? As soon as the site is cleared, they can move toward selling it, and putting the proceeds into the city treasury, and maybe even use the funds for working off that infrastructure maintenance backlog. The Chargers do claim that the place is unfit for them.

Oh, but it is highly likely that the Chargers will be back next season, and the season after that, and . . . So, maybe the ancient structure isn't so bad after all, and has many decades of use left in it. Tell me that this stadium replacement melodrama is drawing to a close, please! Could it go on indefinitely? Yes it could, and I shudder to think of it.

Dec. 22, 2015

Visduh: SDSU can continue playing at Qualcomm. After all, universities get 75 or 85 years or many more out of a stadium. (Mississippi and Mississippi State have stadiums more than 100 years old.) See my column on that a couple of weeks ago. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 22, 2015

My "modest proposal" was Swiftian, completely tongue-in-cheek, and pointing out how these complaints about the current stadium are not to be taken seriously. No, it can serve for many years to come, and can be brought up to any sort of reasonable standard with the expenditure of a "few million."

If I were into wagering, which I am not, I'd wager that the Chargers will be playing there next year and for many years to come. Three teams are vying for LA, but only one has the juice to build a stadium. Kroenke has the bucks to build his own facility, and he wants his team to play in it. All the others are wannabees, talking about Carson, and a host of other pie-in-the-sky schemes. So, if the NFL gives a nod to a team, which one will it be? Kroenke's team of course.

As Dan Fogel has so well pointed out above, there is one and only one place for an NFL team to play in LA on a temporary basis, and that is the Coliseum. That will handle one team, not two. There's your answer: the Chargers don't get the nod, don't move, and continue to threaten to leave, beg for a fancy new facility, and keep SD city politics in a constant state of uproar for years to come. I so hope I'm wrong.

Dec. 22, 2015

Visduh: You and I agree that the Chargers may well be back in San Diego next season, and possibly a couple of seasons beyond that, and face an expensive job in rebuilding community relations. I don't think Carson will fly financially, but Kroenke's Inglewood can. However, that doesn't mean that three-fourths of owners will vote with Kroenke.

Bottom line: it's quite possible there will be no moves by any team in 2016. And don't be surprised if there is talk about other destinations -- San Antonio, London, possibly even Vegas.

If no team occupies L.A. in the next two years, the Chargers will get a break, because they won't lose fans from Orange and L.A. counties, said to be one-fourth of their fan base now.

Despite being the nation's 17th largest market, San Diego is still not a good NFL market. The NFL is now aiming mainly for the affluent. San Diego has neither enough billionaires/multi-millionaires nor large companies to buy personal seat licenses or occupy luxury boxes. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 23, 2015

I think the Stub Hub center (soccer) is an outside possibility for the Chargers to play in next year. Big problem is that it only seats 27,000 which is way less than the NFL wants.

Dec. 23, 2015

ImJustABill: That's the first time I have heard Stub Hub mentioned. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 23, 2015

I did a little more looking - apparently Stubhub Center was contacted by the NFL but didn't seem particularly interested in being a temporary host.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-la-coliseum-20150804-story.html

Dec. 23, 2015

ImJustABill: I am surprised the NFL would be interested in a facility holding only 27,000, even for a couple of years. How about the stadiums now used by the baseball Angels and Dodgers? The NFL frowns on stadiums used for two sports (Oakland, for example), but this is presumably an emergency. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 23, 2015

In any reasonable hierarchy of needs, where does football fall?

Dec. 22, 2015

Flapper: Somewhere near dead last. And emphasize that word "dead," as in CTE. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 22, 2015

I question the word "need". Football is not a need. A want, not a need. I want to have an NFL team in San Diego, I don't need it. Personally, I can't justify asking other people to be forced to spend their hard-earned tax dollars on a want.

I find it hypocritical that many Republicans, whose party claims to be in favor of limited government spending, actually are in favor of subsidies for wants like new stadia.

Dec. 23, 2015

ImJustABill: As I have said many time, business executives, who call themselves conservative, do NOT oppose welfare for corporations and rich individuals. They only oppose welfare for people who need welfare. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 23, 2015

Why don't fans play instead of just watch?

Dec. 23, 2015

Flapper: My guess is that right now fans sit in the stands and play video games on their smart phones during the game. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 23, 2015

Somehow that seems even more obscene. No, wait--nothing could possibly be more obscene that a bunch of chest-beating shortdicks getting off by watching surrogates.

Dec. 23, 2015

Flapper: You are complaining about obscenity? Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 23, 2015

No--you are, aren't you?

Dec. 24, 2015

Flapper: You have figured it out. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 25, 2015

I agree on both counts.

Dec. 25, 2015

Flapper: Let's keep ourselves out of trouble. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 27, 2015

Obscenity is not helpful to us Don Bauder. It is another stupid game to charge $ for. Sweet Family Holiday BauderLuv. Lucky You🎅

Dec. 24, 2015

shirleyberan: Lucky me? My next birthday will be my 80th. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 24, 2015

You know damn well that's freakin' lucky❤️

Dec. 24, 2015

shirleyberan: At least, I have made it further than cardiologists said I would. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 24, 2015

Donnie Bauder - Don't trust doctors. Take the fish oil, they're bigger than the krill. Not sure what's best so I take them both when I can. D, E, quality food based multi, CoQ10. Look up longevity boosts ( of course (whey) protein). Your wife knows how to feed you hopefully but trust yourself on nutrition and get it in you. Got nuts from Costco, walnuts very nutritious, I can break it down but I'm having wine, pecans, sliced almonds, I'm going to bake, macadamias, pistachios. You have 20 years on me. Let's intentionally go to 100 SunshineBoy.

Dec. 24, 2015

shirleyberan: I think I would rather have $100 million now than wait until my 100th birthday. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 25, 2015

Truth is you're supposed to be lubricated, olive oil, safflower oil... It is what it is...

Dec. 24, 2015

shirleyberan: Motor oil, too? Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 25, 2015

Nuts and seeds oil. Need a nap. You are my friend and thank-you.

Dec. 24, 2015

Avocado and coconuts oil everyday. Don't play the lottery it's probably fixed.

Dec. 25, 2015

shirleyberan: It is obvious that the lottery is fixed in some states. My guess is that is just the tip of the iceberg. Best, Don Bauder

Dec. 25, 2015
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