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The North Park Community Plan Update Advisory Committee (CPUAC) held a meeting at Garfield Elementary School auditorium on May 19.

The meeting became quite animated when staff tried to explain the City's concept of “park equivalencies” making up for the 150+ acres that North Park "should have" but cannot be provided. A number of tiny plots of land were identified as potential sites for additional "open space,” but together they were a drop in the bucket when compared to the deficit required by current code.

Because Balboa Park is near North Park, several options of using some of NP's $2,000,000 of "park" money (received from permit fees over the years) to enhance Balboa Park were mentioned, but many saw this as a City money grab instead.

A mapping exercise was held to ID current and future "opportunities" for locations to provide park and/or open space in North Park. Some of the ideas proposed were: conversion of alleys into “linear art-walking trails,” getting access to local schoolyards after school hours, and providing community garden plots.

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Founder May 22, 2010 @ 10:12 a.m.

In North Park's case the solution is to start acquiring land ASAP to build future parking structures, ideally designed so that their top floor can also be used as URBAN parks!

This concept would provide solutions to 3 BIG NP Problems:

  1. More Business parking, IN THE BUSINESS DISTRICT.

  2. Less Parking Blight due to Business parking on local streets.

  3. A reduction in the 150+ acre deficit of NP's Park/Open Space!


JudiO May 27, 2010 @ 8:10 p.m.

North Park's Parking Structure is inexpensive to use and it is safe, yet it continues to be poorly utilized. Nope, I don't want to pave paradise to put up a parking lot (or structure). I want parks and gardens that are viewable by pedestrians and used by residents.


George May 28, 2010 @ 10:50 a.m.

In the 1960's, the City Planners decided to "unbalance" North Park by dumping all the density north of University Avenue, to Adams Avenue (predominantly east of Texas). When the City "Planners" made this unwise, unfair and most ignorant decision, they bifurcated North Park in ways besides its urban form and appearance.

Parts of the dense apartment blocks have been repeated targets for certain social service programs. Prostitution on El Cajon Boulevard. could be almost eliminated if only the political will existed. Because this iconic commercial core is neighbored by apartments, the prostitution is not prioritized.

While the apartment neighborhoods generate the majority of tax base in North Park, they receive far less capital improvements or amenities. Due to the predominance of renters, deep apathy exists. This is where residents rely upon their government to provide the leadership to mitigate some the decades of neglect.

Creation of small, low maintenance pocket parks that will serve to relieve the concrete jungle could transform the the physical and social context of the vast apartment blocks. Kenmore Terrace pocket park just east of 805, north of Adams Avenue is the archetype of this concept.

The money exists to accomplish this and the real estate market is perfectly suited to acquire foreclosed properties. The only thing missing is the leadership.

It's the socially responsible thing to do.


Founder May 29, 2010 @ 12:53 p.m.

With more Restaurants and Restaurant/Bars seeking to get liquor licenses in North Park, our parking and Policing problems are only going to get worse! You don't fund and or build a parking Garage in a year, even if we started yesterday it would be probably Summer 2012 before another structure comes on line. What are all the folks that live in the Residential Improvement District (NP-RID) which live within walking distance to all these existing and proposed late night venues supposed to do until then, beside wear ear plugs & pickup after them?

Private enforcement is a great idea if we can get all the NPMS business owners that support these "morphing" Restaurants/Club's to pay for them; I really doubt they will, since most of them will not even validate their own patrons and or employees much less use the garage themselves... To be fair some of them are "Neighborhood Friendly" and practice the Golden Rule of treating others like they would like to be treated but too many of them are just out for the Gold...

Planning is all about preparing for the future and unless we PLAN NOW for NP's FUTURE PARKING NEEDS, there will be no new parking structures only far more late night "NorthParkers" Blighting our Residential neighborhoods and that is unacceptable...


Founder May 29, 2010 @ 1 p.m.

Here is one Good example of Redevelopment money well spent!

It's in NP, where we built a 377 space parking structure near 30th & University Ave. built only because we used NP-PAC money to build it! Even though it is very cheap to park there, the reason that it not always full (it is now only about 70% utilized) is because of all the "free" on street parking in our nearby Neighborhoods.

The powers to be in NP have repeatedly "passed" when those of us that live in the Residential Improvement District (RID) or the area within walking distance to the BID (in NP it's called NP MainStreet) have asked them to provide a Neighborhood Parking District to remove the Business Parking Blight from our Residential streets!

This issue directly confronts the concept that Business Owners, their employees and their Patrons should all have "free" access to "our" neighborhood streets instead of providing their "own" parking. Many Business's in NP even now refuse to validate for their patrons and even question why the Residents don't think that is the just the way it "is"...

This problem has really come to light now that first one, now more large late night bar/clubs are staying open to 2 AM at which time large numbers of these "NorthParkers" continue to Party as they make their way back to their cars... Neighbors getting woken up at 2:30 and or having to clean up after these Partying NorthParker's is unacceptable and is the result of poor planning i.e. the lack of Business provided customer parking, that is NOT located in the Residential neighborhoods nearby!

Most BID's are focused on improving their "own" district but refuse to accept the responsibility of providing their own Patron parking. This denial of the "Golden Rule" has resulted in increasing friction at local Community Meeting between the Business Owners/BID (+NIMBY supporters) and all the directly affected residents.

In North Park's case the solution is to start acquiring additional land ASAP for future parking structures, ideally designed so that the top floor can used as URBAN parks! This would provide not only much needed parking but also help reduce the 150+ acres of Park/Open Space North Park desperately needs!


youcantfindme June 9, 2010 @ 4:02 p.m.

Are parking structures really the answer? I just moved hear from Seattle- they solve this problem by metering all street parking then providing residential parking permits for different zones. The permits can be purchased for around $50 a year with proof of residency in a particular zone and allow folks who live in the neighborhood to park without time limitations and not have to pay the meter.

Without a permit, you pay the meter or utilize exisiting pay lots, bypassing the residential streets to park and staying near the main drag.

With all the development that's happened in NP over the past 6-7 years, I am still shocked there are no meters.

May even encourage folks to use public transpo, walk, or bike instead of driving their vehicles. Maybe I'm crazy.

Also, if parking is a problem, perhaps businesses that are closed at night but have parking lots should start renting their spaces out for overnight parking (I'm thinking the SDDB structure and the Bank of America lot).

As for parks, you can never have too many. I wish I knew this meeting was going on... I can name a couple of empty/vacant lots off the top of my head they could be used for community gardens or small open spaces. We have so many larger parks focused on sports, it would be great to have several smaller open-spaces designed more for relaxing, enjoying the outdoors, or gathering small groups.



Founder June 18, 2010 @ 4:34 p.m.

youcantfindme I hope you will come to the next open mic and or all the other meetings about planning "our" future! Please contact Marlon and get on the contact list:

Marlon I. Pangilinan Senior Planner City Planning & Community Investment email: [email protected]


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