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Cops in Crosshairs

Multiple gunshots were fired at police officers at around 2:35 a.m. on Monday, August 31. The shots were reportedly fired from the I-15, between the Market Street southbound on-ramp and north of Imperial Avenue.

Police officers were on the 3200 block of K Street taking a car-chase suspect into custody as they were shot at. There were no reports of injuries.

Over police radio, an officer at the scene noted that the shots “...sounded like a rifle.” He also added, “The rounds were high velocity.” Police dispatch immediately advised all officers to “use high caution.”

Two vehicles were seen fleeing southbound on the I-15 after the shooting. Witnesses from the area said that they heard as many as nine shots. Police radio traffic indicated that casings were found on the I-15, approximately 300 feet north of Imperial Avenue. All lanes of the I-15 were closed near Market St while officers investigated the area.

Preliminary reports over the radio identified one of the suspect vehicles as a pickup truck; however, its description was changed to an SUV believed to have been a Ford Explorer. A description of the second vehicle was not given.

The 18-year-old car-chase suspect in custody is believed to be connected with the shooting suspects. A Monday-morning press release from SDPD stated that three vehicles (one was a gray Ford Explorer) were seen just after 2 a.m. at south 28th Street and Everett Avenue. As an officer tried to stop the third vehicle for an expired registration, it fled. Prior to being arrested, the car-chase suspect abandoned his vehicle on the 3200 block of K Street, the site were officers took on rifle fire.

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Multiple gunshots were fired at police officers at around 2:35 a.m. on Monday, August 31. The shots were reportedly fired from the I-15, between the Market Street southbound on-ramp and north of Imperial Avenue.

Police officers were on the 3200 block of K Street taking a car-chase suspect into custody as they were shot at. There were no reports of injuries.

Over police radio, an officer at the scene noted that the shots “...sounded like a rifle.” He also added, “The rounds were high velocity.” Police dispatch immediately advised all officers to “use high caution.”

Two vehicles were seen fleeing southbound on the I-15 after the shooting. Witnesses from the area said that they heard as many as nine shots. Police radio traffic indicated that casings were found on the I-15, approximately 300 feet north of Imperial Avenue. All lanes of the I-15 were closed near Market St while officers investigated the area.

Preliminary reports over the radio identified one of the suspect vehicles as a pickup truck; however, its description was changed to an SUV believed to have been a Ford Explorer. A description of the second vehicle was not given.

The 18-year-old car-chase suspect in custody is believed to be connected with the shooting suspects. A Monday-morning press release from SDPD stated that three vehicles (one was a gray Ford Explorer) were seen just after 2 a.m. at south 28th Street and Everett Avenue. As an officer tried to stop the third vehicle for an expired registration, it fled. Prior to being arrested, the car-chase suspect abandoned his vehicle on the 3200 block of K Street, the site were officers took on rifle fire.

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Sept. 1, 2009

Pete...you're a complete tool, if you think cops should be shot. I mean, let me see if I get this straight. You admit to having loud parties, with drugs and underage drinking. And what? You're mad the cops showed up?

You talk about doing armed robbery. And what? You're mad the cops arrested you?

Officers put their lives on the line, everyday. And they're going to be the first people you call if a crime is being perpetrated against you.

Sept. 1, 2009

Well...I think we've found the SECOND THING you and SDaniels agree on. She hates cops, too.

And I think her reasons are about as silly as yours.

Sept. 1, 2009

re: #4: Hey Josh, I neither said nor wrote that I hated cops; I just asked you to stop spewing obsessively at me about it on email and in person. Ask your girlfriend for confirmation.

I'm sure in future you have enough to do without bringing me in as witness to your failing logic. Thanks.

Sept. 1, 2009

Why the love for cops,Josh? Do they come right away when you call them? NO! Do they stop by and drink a beer with you after work? NO! They do however think they are above the law and better than you. Cops have no place in my life. They're just one c***sucker of Uncle Sam. The less government in my life,the better. Why is that a bad thing? Too many sheeple out there actually think cops keep them safe. Talk about a false sense of security.

Sept. 1, 2009

Officers put their lives on the line, everyday. And they're going to be the first people you call if a crime is being perpetrated against you.

By JoshBoard

JB, the job of cop is relatively safe. They do not put "their lives on the line, everyday" anymore than the next guy does.

Did you know the construction trades have 20 TIMES MORE deaths per year than that of cop?

Did you know that more family law attorneys are murdered on the job in this state every year than the state police (CHP)?

Did you know that working the graveyard shift at a convienience store is the most dangerous job in America and the pay is minimum wage?

Did you know you can be hired as a cop with just a GED, and the starting pay with benefits is over $100K per year, and tops out at over$200K with benefits BEFORE any OT is added in?

JB, cop job is not that hard and not that tough and they are compensated better than general practicioner doctors are, doctors who spend 12 years in college, grad school residency and owe several hundred thousands of dollars in student loans.

Please don't try to make the cops out as unsung, under appreciated, underpaid "hero's". They are on easy street.

Sept. 1, 2009

I don't call the police. I take care of my self. I HATE cops. Well,90% of them at least. I've met some REALLY cool cops. I've also met more ahole cops. My favorite saying when it comes to our LEOs....Save a doughnut,kill a cop. We don't need cops anymore. They've outlived their usefulness. They're called peace officers but all they want to do is start trouble. This county LOVES cops. Yet they f* up most of the time. I say live and let die.

I'm also not pi$$ed at the cops for arresting me or wanting to arrest me when I break the law. They have a job and I can respect that. But if they get shot and killed,I'm going to drink a beer. The day Dan Bessant was murdered,I drank a 6-pack. The only thing that was cowardly was the fact that he didn't see his bullet. Other than that,who gives a s***? A cop died. Big deal. People die everyday. It's human nature. Que sera sera....

Sept. 1, 2009

Surf...interesting stats about construction workers and the like. But you're so full of crap if you tell me cops make over $100k per year, and top out at over 200K, and make as much as doctors who "spend 12 years in college," etc. That's BS.

I do agree, that the cliche "cops put their lives on the line" is way over used. But it's not far from the truth.

I mean, look at the paper everyday. Just yesterday, in fact, a car was pulled over. Another car got away, but decided to drive back and unload their guns at the cops standing by.

Every car they pull over, they have to wonder if this person will have a gun. And not because they're paranoid, but practical.

Pete...it's not such a love affair with the police. I've run into many I hated. One that even lied in court during a traffic dispute, telling the judge that I told him "I'd see his ass in court," which was a conversation that never happened.

I just think they're regular people, that have a crap job. Because everyone that's pulled over goes off on them.

My girlfriend just got a ticket, for parking at a white curb to run into 7-11 for one minute, to pick up something for a migraine she was having. In that one minute, a parking ticket. With her head throbing, she didn't go off on the woman. She knew she was wrong. She just smiled and apologized for parking there.

I'm not saying that cars being pulled over have to do this, but they certainly don't need to go off on the cop, with the cliches of "I was going the flow of traffic. Why did you pull me over?" or any other things that they've heard a million times.

And with noise complaints, it's the same old tired excuses they hear.

Sept. 2, 2009

Surf...interesting stats about construction workers and the like. But you're so full of crap if you tell me cops make over $100k per year, and top out at over 200K, and make as much as doctors who "spend 12 years in college," etc. That's BS.

That is NOT BS, that is 100% FACT.

What you seem to forget is that cops and FF's make as much in benefits as they do in salary. Thise scam pensions they have, known as 3%@50, cost more to fund than a cops entire take home pay (and this is why every muni in this state is BK today).

Cops generally start out at about $55K-$80K in salary-STARTING. That measn they STARTING FULL compnesation is $100K to $160K.

Next the cop gets what is known as "step" increases, of between 5%-15% of salary every 6-12 months until they reach the top "step", which is in 3-5 years depending on the agency.

Top pay for a cop in CA is anywhere from between $80K-$120K per year in salary, then you double that for full compensation.

You do know that CA cops average 9 weeks of PAID vacation per year don't you? That alone is about $25K in benefits. Let's not leave out the 14 PAID holidays and 12 PAID sick leave days.......

So if you think you know more about what they make-bring it on. I'll smoke you here JB.

OH, for the record, a general practicioner CA doctor makes an average of $149K in salary, with $20K in benefits. So yes, the GED CA cop is now making more than the CA doctor-who has 12 years of advanced education and half a million in student loan debt. Doctors are generally the cream of the crop academically, while the cop job is the bottom of the GED barrel.

Sept. 2, 2009

LMAO! Yeah rickeysays,I'm such a danger to society. The last ticket I recieved was two years ago. It was for public urination and open container. I'm a real felon! ROTFLMMFAO!

Sept. 2, 2009

I don't think surf makes himself look like an ass...but wrong on this topic. You bring up a great point, rickey. If cops are making what doctors make...well, nobody would be going to medical school. They'd all be joining the police academy.

It reminds me of how my stepdad always claimed that if it wasn't for unions, all his fellow employees at the post office would be making minimum wage. I had to explain to him that that wouldn't be the case, because nobody would work there for minimum wage. He didn't get that easy concept.

Sept. 2, 2009

Surf as usual you make yourself look like an a$$clown with your anticop rhetoric. If they've got it so good (which they don't) why don't you become one. Oh, I know. Because you wouldn't last a week. Cops are the "thin blue line" between guys like Pete and the rest of us. Thank God for them. As much as I don't want to deal with them personally, I know enough history to know what life was like before the rule of law. If the worst thing we have to deal with is the occasional a**hole cop, we've got it GOOD.

Sept. 2, 2009

Society in general doesn't want to be a cop because of the tired and completely false stereotype that cops have the most dangerous job there is.

Sept. 2, 2009

Surf as usual you make yourself look like an a$$clown with your anticop rhetoric. If they've got it so good (which they don't) why don't you become one.

By rickeysays

Well, because I don't drink, smoke, use drugs, I have a college degree, and last, I have common sense.

So all of those attributes pretty much disqualify me from being a GED cop little ricky.

Put that in your GED bong and smoke it!

Only a GED cop would make the moron comments you do ricky! Don't blame me because you could not pass the SAT and get into a community college, and instead had to settle for a GED level job.

Sept. 2, 2009

I don't think surf makes himself look like an ass...but wrong on this topic. You bring up a great point, rickey. If cops are making what doctors make...well, nobody would be going to medical school. They'd all be joining the police academy.

By JoshBoard

Sorry Josh, no one gets hired for GED cop or GED firewhiner unless you're connected.

ALL high paying gov jobs, like FF jobs, and to a lesser extent the PD jobs, are all "gifted" out to;

1- Family (Hi Jim Duffy),

2- Friends,

3- Military workfare and

4- Civil rights lawsuit consent decrees for engaging in 1 & 2 above.

Statistically FF and cop jobs are relatively safe occupations. Construction jobs are far more dangerous. A florist delivery driver is TWICE as likely to die on the job than a FF or cop. Same for someone working retail sales -check it out if you don't believe me.

Sept. 2, 2009

Where might one check this out, Pup? (And please, please don't say Wikipedia. Only idiots and the chronically lazy cite that as any kind of authority.)

Sept. 2, 2009

No, sorry, Pete, I'm not. I've never heard of any of those.

Sept. 2, 2009

You said you didn't want any wiki links. I provided non wiki links proving Surfpuppy correct.

Sept. 2, 2009

Thank you. They were indeed non-Wikipedia links. And I checked every one of them. Now call me an idiot, Pete, but I saw nothing on any of them about the relative danger to life and limb in the various occupations Pup listed. You'll recall that his original claim was "Statistically FF and cop jobs are relatively safe occupations. Construction jobs are far more dangerous. A florist delivery driver is TWICE as likely to die on the job than a FF or cop. Same for someone working retail sales -check it out if you don't believe me." I asked him where I might check this out, and you helpfully provided me links to websites comparing pay scales -- non-Wiki sites, it must be said. I'm not saying Pup is wrong; I'm just asking him for the documentation he says is readily available. (I'd love to see the statistic that verifies that a cashier ringing up sales at Sears is "TWICE as likely to die on the job than a FF or cop.")

Sept. 2, 2009

I'm sure you could, Pete, since you're just copying a bunch of links without following them. Most of these said nothing either way, thesharkguys flatly contradicted you, and funster was just a bunch of photos. Forget it, Pete. This is Surfpuppy's battle, not yours; you've got no dog in this fight, so to speak. Pup, let's have it: the "fact" itself and a link to it, supporting your original assertion. That would be plenty. I could go on Google and find a bunch of links myself, but I'm at work and don't have time to plough through a pile of links. Thanks for trying though, Pete.

Sept. 3, 2009

And surfpup...seriously...you can't possibly believe being a florist is more dangerous than a cop. You can't be that naive.

Maybe they're more likely to draw blood (as the thorns on roses can get them once in a while). But for someone with common sense, you can just think for a few seconds, and realize that statement is wrong.

And, a few more seconds of thinking...might tell someone that IF the statistics you claim are somewhat accurate, that merely means this. That more people may have died or been robbed, while working as a florist. But that might be because there are so few of them, related to the amount of cops. Because, I read a statistic about five years ago, that said something along the lines of: 85% of all cops, go thru their entire career, never having to fire their gun.

So, I do understand that some people think (from movies, TV shows, or the high profile news stories), that the dangers get blown out of perportion.

But still...that doesn't mean it's a "safe" job.

Sept. 3, 2009

I HATE cops and would like to see 'em all dead so I DO in fact have a dog in this"fight". The Sharkguys link was thrown in there as comic relief. ALL of those links did in fact fully support SP's claim. I read through each one of them myself and the info IS there. If you'd like russl,I'll gladly C&P the results and post them here.

Sept. 3, 2009

The following would be sufficient, Pete, if you would take the time: the place where it says that "someone working retail sales...is TWICE as likely to die on the job than a FF or cop." And a link, please. Thanks.

"ALL of those links did in fact fully support SP's claim." Uh, including the Funster link, I suppose?

Sept. 3, 2009

Did you see a picture of a cop in the Funster link? Didn't think so. Whoever created that link,obviously knows that being a cop isn't a dangerous job or he would've included a picture.

As for SP's claim that the florist is twice as likely to die than a cop or firefighter,I couldn't find anything and I looked at about 20 links so I'm going to go out on a limb and call bulls*** on that one as well.

Sept. 3, 2009

"Whoever created that link,obviously knows that being a cop isn't a dangerous job or he would've included a picture." Still, Pete, I'd say a photo blog ranks somewhere below Wikipedia as a reliable authority.

I realize it's 1:30 in the afternoon and we're all just getting up, but I'd still like a response from somebody to my question in #25. Pup, if you just want to say, "OK, I was exaggerating; I don't really have the stats to back up that claim," fine, but don't just pull a Ken Leighton and say nothing.

Sept. 3, 2009

Point taken,russl but I think SP made his point as well. Cops have it soooooooooo rough(sniff).

Sept. 3, 2009

well i hope you dont ever get in a situation where you are screaming for an officer. that will UNSELFISHLY COME TO YOUR AID. i can understand not liking a particular person but to bunch em all together ?

Sept. 3, 2009

Pete, just listen to how ludicrous that claim is. Do you, honestly think, a florist has more to fear on the job than a cop? Now, think about that. Cops get shot at. They go on high speed chases. They approach houses about loud music or domestic disputes (and crowds sometimes turn on them).

I'm not saying cops have it soooooooo rough. I'll even be the first to admit, if I were to do a ride-along with a cop, I'd probably be surprised how much time is spent sitting in the car, doing the report on the last speeding ticket given, or just waiting for the next call. But that hardly means it's some job that's less dangerous than the ones spouted off by surfpup.

And, I could even see more injuries/deaths in the construction field...but again, I think that's not taking things into account. Things like the times that THOSE injuries occured because some construction worker wasn't wearing his proper harnass or hard-hat, or was horsing around with someone, etc.

Sept. 3, 2009

Like I said before whyigotahaveid,I don't call the cops. I grew up in Chicago. I'm pretty sure I can handle the wannabe gangbangers out here.

Josh? I agree that it's a ludicrous statement. I did however try my best to prove him correct. I couldn't.

Sept. 3, 2009

As I said, Pete, I'm waiting for Surfpup to weigh in on this. It's one thing to say that the danger of a cop's job is much less than is widely perceived; it's probably even true. But it's quite another for Pup to claim that "someone working retail sales...is TWICE as likely to die on the job than a FF or cop."

I think I see the root of the problem in this whole discussion though. Pup said "someone working retail sales"; that covers a lot of ground. That's a huge generalization. That covers the girl ringing up perfume at Macy's to the guy selling La-Z-Boys at Jerome's to the guy renting pornos at F Street. If Pup had specifically said "people working graveyard at the 7-Eleven," I probably wouldn't carp; again, it just might even be true.

Sept. 3, 2009

And while I might, too, agree if it were to be a specific "convenient store cashier is more dangerous than cop," even that, is probably less likely to be true, just on this one thing alone. A guy comes in and robs you at 7-11, you hand over the money and chances are, you get out of it alive and well. If a cop goes to a scene, he can't just do what the perp says. He's there to stop it, make an arrest, or chase someone that might want to do ANYTHING to avoid going back to the clink.

Sept. 3, 2009

Oh yeah, and Pete...as much as the bravado online might sound cool, c'mon. You get jumped and robbed by a bunch of guys, and you're laying there in the street beat to a pulp. They just casually walk away, down El Cajon Blvd (no reason why I put you on El Cajon Blvd, it was just for this fake scenario). You can pull out your cell phone and call the cops. They'd clearly be able to get here in time to arrest these losers. But wait! You decide to slip your cell phone back in its leather carrying case...FOR YOU...ARE THE MAN....THAT HANDLES THINGS ON HIS OWN! No need for the police.

You stagger up to your feet. Brush off the dirt and pebbles stuck to your jeans and shirt. The taste of blood in your mouth. The guys are walking away, laughing, and ruffling thru your wallet.

FOR YOU...ARE THE MAN...THAT HANDLES THINGS ON HIS OWN!

You decide to jog over to the unruley group of holligans. They hear you approaching and turn around, a few with sticks and knives in their hands. You say, "Excuse me. Yes, well...sorry to stop and bother you on such a warm and balmy night. I don't appreicate what you did to me back there. I was merely minding my own business, and talking to that lovely lady in the leopard skin jacket and high heels, and...well...you can keep the money in my wallet. But please, give me back the drivers license and the rest of the stuff in it. I mean, it's such a hassle going to the DMV and cancelling credit cards and all that."

The holligans: F*** off!

Pete: Uh, well...Hmmm. I'd like to call the police. But wait...I AM THE MAN...THAT HANDLES THINGS...MYSELF.

(Pete swings wildly. The first right cross takes the biggest guy down. A short guy plunged the knife into Petes side, and he lets out a yell, before kicking the bloody knife out of the guys hand and taking that him down. The three other guys quickly jump on top of him, and beat him worse than a few minutes earlier).

Pete now walks home, with his head down (and bloody). He'd love nothing more than to call the police...but...that's just not his thing. For Pete is...THE MAN THAT....HANDLES THINGS....ON HIS OWN!!!! POLICE BE DAMNED!!

Sept. 3, 2009

Funny. Too bad it wouldn't go down as described by you. It's quite difficult to get robbed when you own one of these.... http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?Item=24-15

Sept. 3, 2009

"I grew up in Chicago. I'm pretty sure I can handle the wannabe gangbangers out here."

'Nother problem with that, Pete: You're a skilled street fighter? Good for you. We didn't all grow up in the streets of Chicago though. And even if we did, where does that leave old folks? Or most women? Or the disabled? (My Chicago-bred brother-in-law, for example, who's crippled with MS nowadays.) We can't all have a Pete for our own personal bodyguard.

Sept. 3, 2009

No,but you can own a gun. Americans are weak when it comes to firearms. I won't say that owning a gun protects you but it WILL even the score. I HATE guns. That's why I respect mine. It's locked up,out of sight. I feel safe walking around CMR. I don't walk around south Sandy Eggo because I know I'd have to carry it and that won't happen. My firearm IS a deadly weapon and it is regarded as such. I show it to no one. I do not play with it. I do not brag about it. I bought it for one thing and one thing only-I REFUSE to be a victim ever again.

Sept. 3, 2009

Well, good for you. You sound like you've got more sense than a lot of gun owners.

Sept. 3, 2009

Wow, I leave for a day and there are amilion posts!

Russl, there are less than 150 deaths (less than 75 from violence)m on the job for cops nationwide in any given year-that number is 2K-4K for construction work, I don't have time to waste digging up links to prove it up for a forum like this-but trust me on it.

Here, this is a video I am posting up justy for JB (sort of long though)!

http://blogs.myspace.com/boilingfrogs101

Sept. 3, 2009

Construction? I do believe you. That's not the point though. (See post #25.) Welcome back.

Sept. 3, 2009

Sort of long? O_o I'll watch it later.

Sept. 3, 2009

WOW! SurfPuppy? I have a newfound respect for you for posting that link. I f***in' literally got nauseous when they profiled the guy who was burnt while escaping his car only to be murdered in cold blood. And the ex-cops who were harrased or arrested just for asking for a complaint form. WOW! Just....WOW!

Sept. 3, 2009

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