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Jay Allen  Sanford  NOTE: Tho this is a Reader staff blog, below is strictly my personal opinion, on a matter that has become increasingly relevant. The Reader site encourages members of the general public to submit "News from Stringers," in return for some nominal payments and with the very best posts getting published in the next printed edition.

 

Back in May, a stringer uploaded a report of a murder victim in OB, along with a photo of the deceased. Comments posted after the stringer's post blamed the Reader for "publishing" the photo.

 

I posted clarification stating that a stringer who uploads a photo is NOT a Reader reporter, and merely uploading a photo to a website does not constitute "publishing."

 

To my surprise, several readers expressed the opinion that "News from Stringers" IS the same as news from Reader staff reporters. I find this disturbing - the original Stringer post and comment thread is here (but be warned about the murder victim photo, if you're not of a mind to see something like that) - http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/may/03/who-killed-richard-swink/#c40662

 

I'm posting my thoughts on this, including quotes from posts by username "CuddleFish" and "refriedgringo" - because the thread dates back to May '09 and I want more people to hear about and think about the issue at hand - I'm putting it on a staff blog because our blogs ARE our forums for opinion, as opposed to the articles I write for the paper itself, which are held to an altogether different standard of journalistic balance ----

 

QUESTION: IS "News from Stringers" THE SAME AS NEWS PUBLISHED IN THE READER THAT IS WRITTEN BY STAFFERS AND FREELANCERS?

 

In my opinion - HELL NO!

 

The comment thread below the photo of a murder victim includes this from site username CuddleFish: "This picture should not have been published, it was not necessary, in poor taste, and surely offensive to friends and family."

 

I/JAS posted in reply: "My condolences to all involved - however, does this really count as "publishing" the photo? A "Stringer" is just some guy or girl who doesn't work for the Reader and has nothing to do with the newspaper - it's just somebody out there sitting at home and uploading to a website that allows them to. If some guy posts a comment to your MySpace page that includes a pic, does that mean the guy has now been "published"? Stringers are not reporters - uploading a pic to a site is not publishing."

 

Refriedgringo replied "Jay, you might want to re-think that statement. Stringers are reporters. While they are not "staff", they certainly are reporters, as they are paid for their contributions. Also note that publishing, by its very definition, includes the internet, paid or not. Most book and magazine publishers consider anything previously posted on the internet as having been previously published."

 

Then CuddleFish weighed in: "If I were the family, or even a member of the general public coming to this website, I'd think it was published. The terms stringers implies a part-time reporter, doesn't it? I mean, how would I know the technicalities involved? Not speaking of the blogs, but of articles published on the home page. That's what those are, news articles and stories. One would assume. And one would assume they couldn't get on the home page without being seen by someone on the staff. May be wrong assumptions, but how would a reader know that, and why would they distinguish, anyway? I'm asking."

 

CuddleFish followed up with "How would a family member, or a friend, know the difference, and why would it matter? The picture is there, they presume it's put there by someone attached to the Reader. Martagee amply demonstrates this simple principle. The title of the section doesn't say Someone Walking Along The Street Wrote This Report And Posted This Picture. It says Stories: Neighborhood News From Stringers. The word "news" implies, well, news. A news article or report."

 

My reply to all this?

 

RE the enormous difference between a reporter and a stringer -

 

CuddleFish says "If I were the family, or even a member of the general public coming to this website, I'd think it [a stringer report and photo] was published. The terms stringers implies a part-time reporter, doesn't it?"

 

CuddleFish also says "How would a family member, or a friend, know the difference [between staff-written articles and "news from stringers"], and why would it matter? The picture is there, they presume it's put there by someone attached to the Reader...The word "news" implies, well, news. A news article or report."

 

That's exactly the problem!

 

A REPORTER is held to a number of professional guidelines and obligations by our publisher and editors - every story a staff reporter submits requires us to substantiate, and then confirm, each and every detail, from how the proper names are spelled all the way down to the veracity and truth of the report itself.

 

Quotes from interviewees must be checked, usually by going over every word with the person being quoted, and offering a chance to correct or clarify. If multiple interviewees are involved who express differing opinions and/or accounts, opportunities must be given for reply and rebuttal.

 

A level of balance must be maintained, as well as a level of journalistic integrity that guarantees accuracy, while still managing to inform, engage, and - pending topic - perhaps to entertain as well.

 

A STRINGER? A guy or gal (or transgendered person?) who types whatever he/she wants on a keyboard, uploads it, and hopes the Reader will cut them a check.

 

Even if the check is NOT the motivation, it's very disturbing to think CuddleFish is correct, that someone coming to the Reader site will automatically assume News From Stringers is no different from staff-written reports.

 

Just because the word "News" appears in "News from stringers," that doesn't make the stringer a reporter, any more than enrolling in grade school makes you a college graduate.

 

I read most every post that goes onto the Reader site, since - in addition to reporting and cartooning for the Reader - I also do daily work on the website. Some of the stringer reports are indeed very informative, containing actual news and presented in a very professional manner.

 

Even better, stringers have been known to cover topics and events the Reader may have otherwise never been aware of, let alone covered in report(s). Those are the stringer posts that deserve and receive the paychecks, and I personally welcome and encourage more ---

 

However, in my opinion, such stringer entries account for maybe five percent of all stringer posts to appear on the Reader site. At most. THOSE are the ones you see appear the following week in the printed newspaper editions - THOSE are the "PUBLISHED" stringer reports.

 

The stuff that appears on the Reader site is NOT "published," not by the actual journalistic definition anyway. Just because some people have adopted the word "published" as akin to merely uploading, that does not make it true!

 

The very act of accepting "uploading" as the same as "publishing" demonstrates the lack of accuracy in language, interpretation, and intent that I decry.

 

I feel my position is actually proven by the dissenting comments - the thread started with someone assuming the Reader "published" a disturbing photo of a murder victim, when in actuality someone unconnected to the paper uploaded it, the same as they would a MySpace comment or a Facebook wall post.

 

For site visitors to automatically assume the stringer is a Reader reporter, and that the Reader is responsible for whatever they upload, is a PROBLEM.

 

Real reporters must wring their work thru a system of checks and balances that (ideally, anyway) assures a level of accuracy and consistency, with an editorial staff examining each and every detail of each and every article, to assure this high level is maintained.

 

A stringer? The only requirement is to avoid slander, libel, and/or incendiary rhetoric. The only time editing is done to stringer posts (or to comments, or to neighborhood blog posts for that matter) is when those most basic rules aren't followed.

 

I'm glad we have stringer reports on the Reader site. A small percentage read as if from actual reporters, and those are the ones getting paid and - in some cases - being offered actual assignments, or even a job on staff.

 

But for site visitors to assume stringers are Reader reporters, and/or that the Reader is behind and approves of whatever some yahoo feels like uploading, well, that's a huge problem. One I will continue to correct and educate people about at every given opportunity - it's a problem in my own back yard (the Reader workplace) that is endemic to the overall blog-ification of "news" all over the internet.

 

Just cuz someone with internet access says something, doesn't make it news. Doesn't even make it TRUE, especially when - like a stringer post - it lacks the rigid editorial process of checks and balances that REAL career reporters work thru every day.

 

Now then, I know "Rock Around the Town" is normally formatted very similar to actual Reader news columns like Blurt and Club Crawler - but in this instance I'd like to invite comment and opinion on what I admit is a fairly subjective matter.

 

Do YOU read "News from Stringers" and give those posts the same weight and veracity as you would a staff-written report that appears in the printed edition?

 

Would YOU assume the Reader is responsible for - and liable over - whatever is said or depicted in "News From Stringers"?

 

ARE stringers no different from reporters in this new world of electronic news delivery?

 

I've expressed my take on the matter - feel free to discuss ----

 

Jay Allen Sanford

Reader Reporter



 MEGADETH RADIO NOW BROADCASTING

Megadeth are set to be the latest act to go A.P.E. on the virtual airwaves. Listeners everywhere should prepare for the debut of the band's "predictably unpredictable" Artist Personal Experience radio station, Megadeth Radio.

Band founder and frontman Dave Mustaine has complete creative control in the programming of his 24-hour channel, which features interviews, news, personal commentary, and playlists of his favorite music. The multi-platinum, Grammy-nominated rockers follow hot on the heels of A.P.E. stations: Radio Weezer, Christina Aguilera Radio and Eagles Radio Hosted by Joe Walsh as Megadeth Radio, debuted on October 22 at 11:00 am EST.

Megadeth Radio is set to become the destination of choice for both the band's fans as well as anyone who appreciates hard-rocking radio, and will be distributed across Clear Channel Radio's iheartradio network, which includes hundreds of local radio websites; the popular iheartradio mobile app, which has been downloaded by 3.5 million people; widgets; and megadeth.com. Just like the other A.P.E. stations, fans can participate in Megadeth Radio by emailing their comments to megadeth@aperadio.com or calling 1-866-686-1010. - more on this story

Megadeth founder Dave Mustaine was born September 13, 1961, at Grossmont Hospital in San Diego. His parents split when he was young and his mom raised him as a Jehova's Witness. He left her La Mesa home as a teen.

In 1981, he quit his first band Panic to become Metallica’s original lead guitarist, before getting replaced by Kirk Hammett in 1983. Mustaine moved to Rolling HillsEstates in Fallbrook in late 2004, along with his wife Pamela, their kids, and their horses.

Mustaine filed a petition for divorce in San Diego Superior Court in 2006, seeking dissolution of his marriage to Pamela Anne Casselberry, whom he wed in April 1991 before the couple movied into their $1.2 million house in Fallbrook's Rolling Hills Estates.

The couple had a son in 1992 (Justis David), a daughter in 1998 (Electra Nicole), and another son in 2002 (Victor Gar). Victor Gar was named after Megadeth mascot Vic Rattlehead and former band drummer Gar Samuelsson, who died in 1998. Justis plays guitar and has appeared in several local theatrical productions, including one in which he played Elvis Presley.

Megadeth's DVD Blood in the Water: Live in San Diego, filmed in May 2008 at Cox Arena, premiered on HDNet television in early November '08.

The recording process for Megadeth's twelfth studio album began on January 7, 2009, at the band's own Vic's Garage studio in San Marcos. Released by Roadrunner Records and produced by Andy Sneap (Sabbat), it's the group's first with album guitarist Chris Broderick, who replaced Glen Drover at the end of 2007.

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LOCAL TAYLOR GUITARS TEAMS UP WITH TAYLOR SWIFT FOR SIGNATURE MODEL AXE

Taylor Guitars and Taylor Swift announce the arrival of the Taylor Swift Baby Taylor guitar (TSBT), a model that is sure to inspire players of all skill levels with its compact size, full-voiced tone and a top that features Swift's design touches.

 Based on the best-selling Baby Taylor guitar, the TSBT is ideal for both promising players and accomplished pickers. At three-quarters the size of a standard dreadnought, with a slim 1 11/16-inch neck and a comfortably compact shape, the guitar is just right for both the littlest player's hands and anyone who likes to pick up and play on the go. With the new model, Swift hopes to inspire others to express themselves through music. "I wanted to share my passion for playing guitar with my fans," she says. "For a beginner, finding the right guitar can be intimidating, but this guitar, it's the perfect size. Even if you've been playing for years, it's a great size to travel with."

The TSBT is crafted from a resilient sapele laminate body with a solid Sitka spruce top. Swift's design, which encircles the guitar's soundhole, features her well-known expression "Love, Love, Love" among delicate vines. The design also commemorates the songwriting spirit and success of her latest album, Fearless, whose title is inscribed above the bridge along with her signature.

 Swift, who shares a close relationship with Taylor Guitars and regularly uses a variety of Taylor guitars when both performing and recording, fondly remembers her own Baby Taylor as a go-to guitar during her early days of touring. "I used to sit in the back seat of the rental car while I was on my radio tour at 16, writing songs on my Baby Taylor guitar," she reflects. "I love the sound, and I love those memories."

It's not just Swift who is excited about this guitar. Taylor dealers everywhere are also eagerly anticipating its arrival, like Bryan Rankins from Fazio's Frets and Friends in St. Louis, Missouri. "It's not often that I get excited about another 'signature' guitar, but when I heard about the Taylor Swift Baby Taylor, my reaction was much different," Rankins says. "Here you have an incredibly gifted young woman who is inspiring young people through her words and music. When I first saw a picture of the guitar, I knew right away that it would help spawn a whole new breed of young musicians and give them something positive that will stay with them for the rest of their lives."

 In addition to Taylor's global network of dealers, the Taylor Swift Baby Taylor is available now for pre-orders at Amazon.com. "We're thrilled to work with Taylor Guitars to make the new Taylor Swift Baby Taylor available to our customers," said Noah Herschman, director of Home Electronics and Musical Instruments for Amazon.com. "Taylor Swift is one of the hottest stars in country and pop music, and her collaboration with Taylor Guitars has resulted in a product that we think our customers will love. Now they can pre-order it and ensure they'll get it in time for the holidays."

Introduced in 1996, the Baby Taylor was designed to be the ultimate musical travel companion and set the standard for how good a small guitar could sound. Delivering impressive volume and tone for its compact dimensions, the Baby Taylor quickly became the favorite "road guitar" for many professional musicians, including rock legends Bono (U2) and Joe Elliott (Def Leppard), pop artist Katy Perry, and country music hit
makers Clint Black and Tim McGraw.

The TSBT will be offered at a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $398 and comes ready to rock in a cushioned Taylor Guitars gig bag. The Taylor Swift Baby Taylor guitar is available for purchase at authorized Taylor Guitars dealers, Amazon.com and soon, at TaylorSwift.com.

To view more pictures of the Taylor Swift Baby Taylor, please visit http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/limiteds/signature/TaylorSwift

 

 


LOCAL PLAYER RAY SUEN NOT ALLOWED TO INDIE-BLOG WHILE ON TOUR WITH THE KILLERS?????

 Local multi-instrumentalist Ray Suen has spent the better part of two years on the road as a touring member of the Killers, even turning up with them on Saturday Night Live. For awhile, he was contributing blog reports from the road to www.sddialedin.com.

Now, site operator Rosey Bystrak has posted a report indicating the Killers put a stop to Suen's Dialed-In blogs.

"You might recall he was blogging for us for a while until that huge band he's been on tour with told him all his blogs had to go through their fan boards. Bummer because we loved those posts."

 Violinist, violist, keyboardist, guitarist, and harmony singer Suen has also been a member of Louis XIV and The Exfriends with Gregory Page. He's apparently also in the newer Louis spin-off group The Nervous Wreckords. He goes back on the road with the Killers the first week of November.

Rosey also posts a video of Suen performing "Watching the Planets" with the Flaming Lips on the Conan O'Brien show earlier this week (whacking a Bonhamesque gong!) - www.sddialedin.com  

Tonight (Thursday October 15) Suen will play with the Flaming Lips tat a (not-so)Secret MySpace Show in Hollywood --

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  • The Homeless Sexuals - ... Local blogger Rosey Bystrak at www.sddialedin.com says "Anytime the Homeless Sexuals play is pretty nuts, but the first time I saw them at the Zombie Lounge ...
  • Girls Just Wanna Have Fun - ... “I don’t really like to call people out,” blogs Rosey Bystrak at sddialedin.com, “but, to the drunk girl who thought she was so cute by getting onstage ...
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  • The Tiara Chronicles - ... 'I wanted an organized way to document the music I see," says Rosey Bystrak, who chronicles, lists, and discusses all things music and San Diego on her blog ...
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FAMOUS FORMER NEIGHBOR FRANK ZAPPA WAS FRIENDS WITH COMIC BOOK KING JACK KIRBY?!

Zappa Now there's a headline that catches your eye. Yes it turns out that late Frank Zappa, the restless musical genius who may have been the most committed inconoclast in the history of rock, was a pal to the late Jack Kirby, the cosmic dreamer who is arguably the most essential artist in the history of the American comic book....

(More Jack Kirby and Frank Zappa, a cosmic friendship )

ALSO SEE: Frank Zappa Comics And Stories, Famous Former Neighbors part 1, Neighbors part 2

Pacific Comics: The Inside Story of Jack Kirby's locally-published comic books

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 GUNS N' ROSES - A BABY LULLABYE ALBUM?!?!?

www.antimusic.com reports: Rockabye Baby! Lullaby Renditions Of Guns N' Roses – lands in stores November 10th via Baby Rock Records An excerpt from a press release reads: "Is a sweet child o' yours trying your patience at bedtime? Do you have an appetite for noise reduction? Don't you cry tonight. Fire up these gentle renditions of GNR's metal classics to rock your little devil to a peaceful sleep. Welcome to the nursery, baby. It's paradise city." You know you're curious

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ALSO SEE: Sex With Axl Rose , Rocket Queen , Rock 'N' Roll Comics: The Inside Story , and Worst Celebrity Interviews

---- And, what the heck, here’s a song spoof from Rock ‘N’ Roll Comics, “Welcome to McDonalds” ---------------


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stpp1 WEILAND TANGLES WITH YOUR MIND

antiMusic reports: Scott Weiland has released a new video off his latest solo album. The video is for the track "Tangle With Your Mind," where the Stone Temple Pilots frontman turned to film students to craft the video.

Blabbermouth is streaming the video but also has this info: "I had watched this movie called 'The Science of Sleep' about a year ago and I fell in love with the film," Weiland told Spinner.com. "I thought it was such a cool and interesting approach and I wanted to use that in a video sometime."

Weiland also had the idea that he wanted to reach out to film students and see if he could give someone a big break. So when relative newcomer Dennis Roberts came up with a treatment that was surprisingly close to what Weiland had already envisioned, he got the go-ahead. "I was really impressed," Weiland told Spinner.com. "I've worked with huge video directors and [Roberts] and his crew were just as professional as anyone I've ever worked with." - Learn more and check out the video here

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Album cover Punknews.org had this news for Blink fans: blink-182's 1999 full-length,  Enema of the State, will be released on vinyl for the first time by independent punk/hardcore label Mightier Than Sword Records.

The album will be the first in a 10 Year Anniversary series by the label, with each release involving a limited pressing of 500 on 180-gram vinyl. They will also feature a gold seal to commemorate the release. In addition to the 500 180-gram copies, Mightier Than Sword will also press 500 each on clear red, clear blue and clear colors.

The release date is December 1, but MTS will begin taking pre-orders on Monday, October 19. photos and more details

Album cover A few comments from www.punknews.org:

onegirlarmy : ...for a small, independent label that's basically a one man operation, this is a HUGE release to obtain the rights to. Congrats to RJ and MTS Records for this!

TheOneTrueBill :  Coming to a store near you for $27 a pop.

KidDangerCat :  I bet Mightier than the Sword sh-t their pants when they got this opportunity. They're going to make so much d-mn money.

Indecay :  Good luck finding 2000 Blink182 fans who know what an LP is.

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BLACK HEART PROCESSION RETURNS WITH NEW ALBUM, VIDEO, AND TOUR!

With the emergence of Mr. Tube & the Flying Objects, the rebirth of Three Mile Pilot, and almost three years of radio silence casting a...pall over Pall Jenkins’s soul-wrecked rock act The Black Heart Procession, hometown fans of the band can’t help but wonder, wherefore art thou saw songs and blinking bauble? Other than a couple of fest sets last year for the international indie hits (Adams Ave. and the Melvins-curated All Tomorrows Parties in Minehead, England), the BHP camp has been pretty quiet since 2006’s rock-steady return The Spell .

Well, The Black Heart Procession are gearing up to hit the road in support of their adventurous and macabre new album, Six, out this week on Temporary Residence Ltd. This is the band’s first world tour in three years. To celebrate the release of their record and imminent tour, The Black Heart Procession proudly unveil the second video from Six. Once again directed and starring the band, "Drugs" is a slow-motion narcotic montage perfectly befitting the laconic piano ballad.

View/embed/share The Black Heart Procession’s “Drugs” here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5rpdnt0v3s

View/embed/share The Black Heart Procession’s “Witching Stone” here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN8_B5SBMiM?>

You can listen to/download BHP's "Rats" here: http://temporaryresidence.com/descriptions/trr157.php.

The tour starts right here in San Diego - Oct 17 @ Casbah, San Diego, CA w/ The Mumlers.

The Black Heart Procession was launched in 1997 by Pall Jenkins (Ugly Casanova) and Tobias Nathanial, both from Three Mile Pilot. Other frequent members include violinist Matt Resovich (the Album Leaf), James LaValle (the Album Leaf and ex-Tristeza), and others.

Resovich is one of those musicians who keeps busy and often commits to many projects at a time. He’s performed with the Black Heart Procession, the Album Leaf, Mung, and Battling Maxo over the past decade, carving a niche with fans of eclectic and electronic music.

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Also see: Black Heart Procession by Dave Good

Sit down and pour yourself a big cup of melancholy, and while you're at it, set some extra places at the table tonight for panic, desolation, and a dark and hellish nightmare or two. That noise coming from the basement? ...

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 NAM CHI VU GOES BEATLE (AND SO DO THE ALPHABEATLES...)

“Imagine the Spice Girls singing Beatles songs,” says bass phenom Nam Chi Vu of The Penny Lanes, an all-female Fab Four tribute that also includes singer/guitarist Vanja James. “I based the name after the Beatles song, of course, but also after Kate Hudson’s character in Almost Famous. I have replicas of the Sergeant Pepper uniforms in short dress form, which the ladies will be wearing with mod go-go boots…We’ll play all the hit Beatles songs, but that includes covers the Beatles did, such as ‘Twist and Shout’ and ‘Please Mr. Postman.’” 

 

While their look is customized per gender, The Penny Lanes shoot for straight note-for-note renditions. “My goal is to get it as close to the real thing as possible. When doing a tribute, I feel like it’s important, because everyone knows these songs and will know if something is tampered with, or when someone messes up or forgets a lyric.”

Classical/jazz bassist Nam Chi Vu has been singing since she was 12, playing electric bass guitar since she was 13, acting since she was 14, and playing upright bass since she was 16. Her background consists of several genres from classical, jazz, rock, to pop. Her experience goes from sharing the stage in master classes with Victor Wooten to rocking out with Chicago-based band Veruca Salt.

Vu is a rare multi-threat talent. As a bassist, she’s among the city’s two or three best, equally comfortable playing classical, jazz, and rock.

If you prefer your Beatles naked, the Alphabeatles still perform for tips at Black’s Beach on the first Saturday of every month. The middle-aged married duo plays acoustic versions of around two dozen Beatles songs, unaccompanied by clothing and always performed in alphabetical order, a discipline they refuse to alter. I once saw a (naked) woman request that they do “Rocky Raccoon.”

“We can’t,” the (naked) husband said, “we’re only on the Gs,” and they launched into “Good Day, Sunshine.”

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EBEN BROOKS: THE RETURN OF HEROES AGAINST HUNGER

 Heroes Against Hunger is a once-a-month concert series at Claire de Lune Coffeehouse that benefits The San Diego Food Bank and they are looking for acts for December 6th. If you are an artist—musician, poet, comedian, painter, photographer, author, whatever!—and want to play or exhibit at one of these shows, contact Eben Brooks by clicking his name in this sentence and let him know.

The last Heroes Against Hunger show was Sunday, October 4 - Brooks emailed a report: "Sunday night's show was INCREDIBLE! We not only punched up the energy, but we filled Claire to capacity, and maybe a little beyond. I know for certain that, at one point, they didn't have enough seats to hold everyone! Claire isn't a small place, but the seating is spread out (it's a coffee house, after all), and we probably had 60 people in there for most of the evening."

"So here we are, a basically unknown band, and not only did we collect over 40 pounds of food and over $75 for the Food Bank, but we filled this venue to capacity. We're probably going to have to move the show before the new year."

eben11 Regarding the Eben Brooks Band, “Our music is very lyric driven,” says its titular leader. “If I had to choose a genre, I would call it progressive acoustic rock, but by progressive I mean politically and personally progressive. It’s possible for lyrics to reflect a wide range of complex social topics, even if writing anti-war songs nowadays is an open invitation for people to impugn your patriotism.”

“Our music is about growing, challenging oneself, becoming a better person, and making the world a better place,” says Brooks, formerly with the Celtic folk band the Wild Oats (1991 – 2002). “We’re trying to create music that makes people think. Obviously, we want to entertain people, and we want them to be able to enjoy a song or a show without feeling they’re being beaten over the head with a ‘message,’ but the messages are there. Our music is very lyric-driven.”

eben13 Brooks counts various sci-fi authors as among his influences. “I’m a very big fan of Roger Zelazny’s work, and I’ve read all the Amber Chronicles,” says Brooks, whose video for his song “Champs Élysées” was inspired by Zelazny’s Courts of Chaos. “We chose Lestat’s to shoot at because the writer and director wrote a script that fits perfectly with their setup and decor. Lestat’s has great stone gargoyles.”

He points out that fantasy fiction and rock have long been simpatico. “I’ve always been a big fan of Jethro Tull, who tends to weave fantasy and sci-fi elements into their songs. Hawkwind writes music heavily influenced by Michael Moorcock, and there’s always Led Zeppelin’s work based on Tolkien.”

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WHO GETS ALL THAT MONEY FROM THE BEATLES ROCK BAND AND DIGITAL ALBUM SALES????

$$$$: So Michael Jackson once bought most of the Beatles song publishing - does that mean his estate is now raking in the bucks from the newest round of Fab Four marketing, including the Rock Band game and digital album releases? (more at http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2009/oct/15/who-gets-all-the-money-from-beatles-rock-band-digi/ )

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 Dandy Warhols Star Releasing Graphic Novel about '70s German Band

One Model Nation, the first cinematic, action packed, graphic novel of its kind, was released by Image Comics on October 28, 2009, in book-stores nationwide.

Donovan Leitch, C. Allbritton Taylor of the Dandy Warhols and Street Angel illustrator Jim Rugg piece together the complete story of the political art-noise band One Model Nation, revealing just how they kick started the revolution that revitalized a country, the final dark days of the Baader-Meinhof Gang and the band's mysterious disappearance a few months later.
The story is set in Germany in 1977, when the country is still shattered from the devastation of war and the harsh realities of communism. The country's youth are fighting back against a repressed nation with their only figurehead for this violent, well dressed revolution, a band, later to be forever lost in time, One Model Nation.

With stunning graphics and Scorsese-esque electricity, One Model Nation captures the arts and politics of an era whose influence can not be measured.

"This is a life's work for me," says C. Allbritton Taylor. "From the Munich Olympics to the heyday of raves, hip hop to state-of-the-art handguns, this era has informed modern culture, fashion, politics, technology, you name it. But this dark time has been a relative German secret which only recently has begun to be revealed, mostly due to the birth of the internet. On a personal level I needed to see this time and place fleshed out into people and events that make sense yet maintain heroic proportions. Donovan spent years researching the multitude of bizarre and overwhelming events in which these people lived their lives and made their noble, everyman decisions. This story needed to be told."

"I have always been fascinated by post-war Germany, the counter-culture revolutionaries and their violent upheaval against the rise of capitalism in a Communist country. The fact that One Model Nation, four musicians who helped to create electronica, was unwittingly pulled into the battle being waged between these two forces makes their story all the more compelling. This is the equivalent to a Syd Barrett German epic," says Donovan Leitch.
 

Life of Agony Frontman Has His Own Comic Book Series

Life of Agony bassist/Spoiler NYC front man, Alan Robert, joins forces with IDW Publishing to release a new horror/conspiracy miniseries titled Wire Hangers. Created, written and illustrated by Robert, with covers by comic fan-favorite Nelson DeCastro (Marvel Masterpieces), Wire Hangers makes its worldwide debut in March 2010.

Robert is no stranger to comics. He studied cartooning under Walter Simonson (The Mighty Thor) at the School of Visual Arts in New York City, where he attended on scholarship and graduated with a Bachelor of Fine Arts. Best known for being the primary songwriter behind Life of Agony's critically acclaimed River Runs Red concept album, Robert is also an accomplished artist. His illustrations and designs have appeared on merchandise, ad campaigns and websites for multi-platinum rock acts such as 3 Doors Down, Puddle of Mudd and Shinedown.

In Wire Hangers, which will debut with a 32-page, ad-free first issue, a series of abductions are plaguing New York, leaving no one safe. When Anna Davis, a feisty young female reporter, goes undercover to try and snag the big exclusive, she stumbles upon clues that give us a glimpse into what could be the most disturbing government conspiracy of our time. Pill-popping detectives, corrupt secret agents and a mysterious, disfigured homeless man are all inter-connected in this horrific tale of revenge and redemption.

Robert states, "I've wanted to tell this story for as long as I can remember. I came up with the Wire Hangers concept a few years back, when Life of Agony was on the road supporting Ozzy Osbourne It has haunted me ever since! Whenever we were touring or in the recording studio, I would find myself sketching out characters on the back of lyric sheets and leaving myself voicemail messages with scene dialogue. By the time I presented the idea to IDW earlier this year, the story was completely fleshed out. Visually, it's dark and gritty with tons of textures and atmosphere. The artwork really sets a tone for the series and plays an equal part in telling the story.

"I really can't express how excited I am to finally see this idea come to life. I've been a huge comic book fan since I was just a kid and went to art college in the hopes of becoming a penciler one day. During my graduation year, LOA landed the record contract with Roadrunner to record River Runs Red and, once it came out, I found myself touring full-time and focusing on my music career. So, for me, all these years later - to finally create my own original comic series is a dream come true. Releasing it through IDW is the icing on the cake. They've put out some of my favorite books, like 30 Days of Night and Welcome to Hoxford. It's a real honor to have Wire Hangers appear alongside those titles."

"Wire Hangers is going to hold its own up against the IDW titles that Alan has long admired," said Chris Ryall, IDW's Publisher/Editor-in-Chief. "When he brought me the story, both his storytelling sense and artistic skills were fully formed and ready to roll on a comic series. In much the same way Alan went from playing bass for one band to fronting another, his talents will be front and center on his comic, too."

Wire Hangers will make its debut with a 4-issue miniseries in March 2010.

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MOWER GUITARIST QUITS, SKINLAB TOUR CANCELLED

The just-announced SkinLab/Mower tour is already minus a Mower. Here's what the band said on their MySpace page in early October:

"A decision made by a departing member yesterday has forced the band to relinquish our spot on the bill. We are beyond disappointed. Sometime between sound check and set time last night in Denver, CO, our guitarist Greg Russell decided to book a flight and leave the tour without alerting anyone in the band of his intentions."

"The fact that he decided that his issues were more important than the fans, friends, band, crew, agents, club owners, promoters, record labels, sponsors, press, Skinlab, and all the local support acts is something that we can't even begin to understand or condone. The four remaining members of Mower looked into every possible replacement option to continue on the tour, but none of those options would have been viable in time." - more on this story

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HELL BENT FOR SANTA - HALFORD'S CHRISTMAS ALBUM?!?

Hell Bent for Santa? You will be this year as Judas Priest frontman Rob Halford drops his version of a Christmas album on fans (more at www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2009/oct/04/hellbent-for-christmas---rob-halford-plans-christm/ )

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 PATHOLOGY SEEKS NEW COOKIE MONSTER

Cookie Monster-sound-a-like vocalist Matti Way has quit the death metal/grindcore band Pathology. The group states, "We are extremely disappointed and bummed over this. Matti has other stuff going on right now and we wish him the best. Because of this we are canceling a few upcoming shows." (more at  www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2009/oct/04/pathology-seeks-new-cookie-monster/  )

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WAVVES SAYS "IT'S WRETCHED PLAYING SHOWS IN SAN DIEGO"

Wavves frontguy Nathan Williams is quoted in the new Denver Decider saying "Generally speaking, it's wretched playing shows in San Diego. The people think they're too cool to move around, they don't come out if it's not a party, and there aren't enough places to play besiedes bars, which is a real bummer...but Wavves happened, and I think it sort of shed a light on San Diego."

Asked if he's planning to stick around SD, he says "I'm moving to LA next month. I've had plans to leave San Diego for longer than I can remember, so it's about time that I finally do it." ( more at  www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2009/oct/04/wavves-says-its-wretched-playing-san-diego-and-pla/  )

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2009 SAN DIEGO MUSIC AWARDS – IT’S A (FISH)WRAP

 

Jimmy Powers (half of the Clasy Pigeons duo) says of his Best Hip-Hop nomination “I don’t feel I should have been nominated for the award. I have only released a limited press EP [200 copies]…I think local artists like Blame One, who hit the top 40 on iTunes this year, should be the ones getting a nomination.” ( more www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2009/oct/04/2009-san-diego-music-awards---post-show-report-its/   )

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Jay Allen  Sanford WHAT I'M WATCHING:

 

LIFE ON MARS season 1 

I remember not being that impressed with the first Life on Mars episode - seemed like no more than a "reverse" Dirty Harry, ie instead of a rogue cop operating amidst PC bureaucracy, the show had a PC future cop in pre-PC 1973. The premise seemed to have possibilities, but that first ep was all stereotypes and occasional inexplicable sci-fi flashes explaining less than nothing about what the hell was going on ---- However, I stuck with it, and I'm absolutely astounded at how it paid off....

MORE LIFE ON MARS - PLUS "WHAT I'M WATCHING" DVD AND MOVIE REVIEWS, 1970 THRU 2009 - Including S Darko, Futurama: Bender's Game, the Sentinel, Andy Warhol's Bad, Night Gallery: Brenda, Star Trek 2009, Stranger Than Fiction, Cloverfield, Black Ceasar, Forbidden Zone, Cover Me Babe, Final Destination, Wicked Wicked, Watchmen, Coraline, Land of the Lost TV show, more = http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2009/sep/02/what-im-watching-dvd-and-movie-reviews-1970s-thru-/

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DOG TALKER

“I haven’t done too much playing in concert as of late,” says singer/guitarist Dave Gilbert, “so I started the OB Happy Dog Walking Service.” He says the doggie duty requires walking from six to twelve miles each day, making the job more consistent than musician work, despite playing in three local bands at the moment...  (more  www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2009/oct/04/dog-walker---ob-musician-runs-successful-biz-doing/  ) 

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GUITAR WHIZ WAYNE RIKER TURNS HIS BACK ON PRIVATE TEACHING, TO HEAD UP WORKSHOPS INSTEAD

"The final curtain has come down for me as a private guitar teacher, after thirty seven years of lessons," says local guitarist Wayne Riker. "However, I'll be starting an exciting series of on going four hour workshops,every fifth to sixth Sunday,at Old Time Music in North Park"... ( more  www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2009/oct/04/guitarist-wayne-riker-gives-up-guitar-lessons-for-/   )      

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THE RETURN OF RIP MAGAZINE (or "Why I Got Fired By Larry Flynt")

RD7ComicLove1 Rock writer Lonn Friend, former MTV host and publisher of the terrific '90s music mag Rip, is launching an online archive of the magazine! Rip is where I first created the Rock Tales comic strip before it ended up at Spin Magazine. After around a year of the two-page Rock Tales strips, I turned one in mocking Courtney Love called "12 Steps to Stardom" - little did I know that Rip publisher Larry Flynt had just arranged for Love to play his wife in the movie The People VS Larry Flynt. ... ( more  www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2009/oct/04/the-return-of-rip-magazine-or-why-i-got-fired-by-l/  )

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 HANDS FREE - TROPHY WIFE WILL MARKET ANYTHING FOR A BUCK!

From producing Viewmaster reels to scratch-N-sniff flyers and custom Wheaties boxes, the self-marketing requirements of today’s music biz can result in some offbeat promo endeavors. “We sell what we call a ‘hands-free cell phone device’ on eBay,” says Trophy Wife singer/guitarist Joe MacAskill, “which are really just headbands to hold the phone against your ear, with our band logo hand-drawn onto it.” The “devices” sell for $5 to $8.... ( more  www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2009/oct/04/trophy-wife-says-well-market-anything-for-a-buck/   )

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HAPPY RON'S HAREM - LOVING SAN DIEGO'S MUSICAL LADIES

“Most of the women were involved with someone else, so I had to behave appropriately,” says Happy Ron Hill of the video shoot for his song “Pitter Patter,” which featured nine different San Diego women singers playing potential love interests. “Sometimes, I hate behaving appropriately.”

 

Dressed in a pimp-like purple suit and porkpie hat, Hill is seen in the video professing his love to all nine women, including Marcia Claire (as MC Bassalicious), Cathryn Beeks (Catastic Beats), Laura Kuebel (Laura Fab), Brooke Mackintosh (Brooklyn), Marie Haddad (The Marrying Type), Elizabeth Abbott (Tipsi Holiday), Alyssa Jacey (Alyssa Jacey Blue), Nancy McCartney Mestyanek (Sister Linkun), and  Jenene Lambert (Neener). “All the women were at the shoot at the same time,” says Hill, “though many were late.”

 

 (more  www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2009/oct/04/happy-rons-hormonal-harem---loving-san-diegos-musi/  )

 

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Exclusive preview and new interview with one of the creators/performers behind the new internet Trek series - click for more ---http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2009/oct/04/happy-rons-hormonal-harem---loving-san-diegos-musi/#

READER EXCLUSIVE - For the first time anywhere on the web, here's the promo trailer for Star Trek: The Continuing Mission, episode six: http://www.sandiegoreader.com/audioclips/66/

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The Twilight Zone made it's TV debut 50 years ago this week, on 10-2-59 - we asked local musicos to tell us their own favorite Zone episodes --- (more "What's Your Favorite Twilight Zone?" )

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THE ROCKETEER AND OTHER FAMOUS '80S COMICS BEGAN RIGHT HERE IN SAN DIEGO - Here's a detailed history of local Pacific Comics, who recruited comic superstars like Jack Kirby to create one of the first successful indie comic book lines. Pioneers in the fight for comic creators' rights and royalties, former employees and operators reveal how they did it, and what went so terribly wrong...

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2007/sep/08/pacific-comics-the-inside-story-jay-allen-sanford


 

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THE KOMPLETE KISS KOMIX KRONICLES - Comprehensive collection of stuff I’ve done about working with Kiss on a comic book series in San Diego, along with a bunch of never-before-seen artifacts from the Kiss Komix archives AND an article by Kiss comic author Spike Steffenhagen, offering his own very-different take, ala Rashomon, on the same events I describe in my essay...

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2007/sep/12/komplete-kiss-komix-kronicles


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ROCK 'N' ROLL COMICS: THE INSIDE STORY - In 1989, San Diego's Revolutionary Comics ("Unauthorized And Proud Of It") launched Rock 'N' Roll Comics, featuring unlicensed biographies of rock stars, most of which I wrote. Some performers, like Frank Zappa and Kiss, were supportive, while others like New Kids On The Block considered our comics akin to bootlegs and sued. In June 1992, publisher Todd Loren was found dead in his San Diego condo, brutally murdered...

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2007/sep/12/rock-n-roll-comics-the-inside-story


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NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK VS REVOLUTIONARY COMICS - The inside story of how a hugely successful boy band tried to sue local-based Rock 'N' Roll Comics over an unauthorized biography of the group, sparking a court case that established, for the very first time, first amendment rights for comic books. Illustrated by comic superstar Stuart Immonen (Superman, etc.)...

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2007/sep/13/new-kids-on-the-block-versus-revolutionary-comics


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OVER A MILLION CARNAL COMICS ARE IN PRINT - Here's how and why we made some of the top-selling erotic comics of all time, right here in San Diego, including what Gene Simmons has to do with it all, backstage tales of porn stars, and more confessions of a comic pornographer...

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2007/sep/08/carnal-comics-the-inside-story-jay-allen-sanfor


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COMICS AND CENSORSHIP - DON'T BE AFRAID, IT'S ONLY A COMIC BOOK - A local-centric history of comic book censorship, and the fight for the rights of comic creators...

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TWILIGHT ZONE AND STAR TREK WRITER GEORGE CLAYTON JOHNSON PRESENTS - The inside story of a local horror comic book series featuring Robert Bloch, author of Psycho, plus sci-fi king Larry Niven, Zap Comix co-founder Spain Rodriguez, Matthew Alice artist Rick Geary, Vampire Lestat painter Daerick Gross, yours truly JAS, and many more...

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2007/sep/05/deepest-dimension-terror-anthology-twilight-zone


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THE BIRTH OF IMAGE COMICS: INSIDE STORY OF A LOCAL PUBLISHING POWERHOUSE - Illustrated tale revealing how Spawn creator Todd McFarlane and local comic artist Jim Lee (the Punisher, etc.) conspired to create the ultimate creator-owned comic books...

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 Down the Slippery Slope - Arrested For the Crime of Viewing Manga

On March 30, 2004, when Dwight Whorley found the Japanese website of Fractal Underground Studio via Yahoo and clicked on a couple of the thumbnail images... ( http://comipress.com/special/miscellaneous/down-the-slippery-slope-the-crime-of-viewing-manga )



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"Before It Was The Gaslamp: Balboa's Last Stand" - Cover story 6-21-07: In the late 70s/early 80s, I worked at downtown San Diego's grindhouse all-night movie theaters, for the owner of the Pussycat Theatre chain, Vince Miranda - this detailed feature recalls those dayz, the death of the Balboa Theatre, etc.

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"Battle Of The Peeps" - feature article about a weird gig I had in the mid-'80s, running a strip club called Jolar, for the nation's second biggest pornographer, Harry Mohney (Deja Vu Showgirls founder).

More Battle of the Peeps - An Insider History of San Diego Porn Shops

"Field Of Screens" - Cover story 7-6-06: Complete theater-by-theater history of San Diego drive-ins thru the years, including a few which screened X-rated fare for awhile.

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"Pussycat Theaters - When 'Cathouses Ruled California" -- for the first time, the detailed inside story of the west coast Pussycat Theater chain of adult moviehouses, which peaked in the '70s but later died out. Told by those who actually ran the theaters!

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PistolPete Oct. 27, 2009 @ 12:45 p.m.

Stringer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stringer_(journalism)

Published: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Published

As much as I see a double-standard between stringers and actual reporters,they are needed in today's world. more than half of the video you see on news channels and local news is through stringers.

With that said,I sometimes wonder if people upload Stringers articles to feed their daily crack habit. I've NEVER taken the Stringers section of the Reader as news. Take the recently uploaded story about the pool on UCSD for example. That story might affect 1,000 people at most. 1,000 people out of how many millions living here? The storie about the Asian guy robbing places is another example of stories that I see and think to myself"yawn old news"or"...and this has to do with the price of tea in China because?"

I watch more world news than local news only because Sandy Eggo is too boring. NOTHING happens around here. That and nothing beats Sean Hannity making himself look like a tool night after night.

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 12:52 p.m.

Hey Jay, I posted another response in the other section.

I mean, it's an interesting discussion on some levels.

My point was, and remains, whatever the technicalities, whatever you ultimately think a stringer is or isn't, the Reader is or isn't, that doesn't change the fact that a picture was posted on the site attached to something that appears to be a news article, and which friends and family of the deceased might find offensive.

  1. If you're saying that the picture was posted to provoke discussion, I'd find that pretty disgusting. I'd say the discussion should have come first, and minus the picture.

  2. If you're saying the picture caused the discussion, then fair enough. Hard to believe no one could conceive this would happen beforehand, though, and have thought out a process for handling these kind of situations.

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 1 p.m.

I am copy/pasting what I wrote in the other section here:

Sorry, jayallen, but again, everything you have written indicates you are viewing this through your end of the lens. I know you understand what I'm saying, and I certainly understand what you're saying. News as entertainment; yes, the Stringer stories, and thus the Reader, is perhaps guilty of that. You argue that it isn't news and that somehow that should be clear. Is it? Do you think the average reader is going to parse through the distinctions you write about when they come to this site? Sure, there are those who will get it, but there will be those who don't, or don't care. Let me suggest that the family of the person whose dead body (excuse me, I mean no offense to the victim's family) is posted in a picture on the site would be in that category. To put it another way, I doubt if any of us here, Reader staff included, would appreciate seeing a picture like that of a loved one or a friend on the Reader home page.

I also wonder if, bsaed on your comments, the Reader isn't trying to have it both ways. Are you a serious news organization, as some of your articles seem to indicate? If only some of your work is serious, and some is in fun, and some is mixed together, then it would perhaps be in your best interest to take more care in the overlap. Just saying.

By CuddleFish 10:45 a.m., Oct 27, 2009

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PistolPete Oct. 27, 2009 @ 1:05 p.m.

So let me get this straight CuddleFish...You think news articles and/or pictures should be shown in pretty little packages as to not offend someone?

When showing a picture of a dead body in relation of a news article,NOBODY should be thinking to themselves"Gee. I wonder if that will offend someone." President Shrub did that with the 4,000+ military troops he murdered.

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 1:05 p.m.

Just going to add that I wouldn't like to see Stringers go away. I like the articles. As Jay says these are stories that we might not otherwise see or hear and written on a mostly firsthand basis from mostly regular folks.

The only issue I had with that article was the picture. I don't like to think that a family or friends would be caused more pain by seeing a picture like that of the person they lost. I think anyone would not like to see a picture like that of someone they knew posted on a publication's web site.

Not necessarily speaking of other issues here, but mainly of sensitivity to the people involved.

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Jay Allen Sanford Oct. 27, 2009 @ 2:07 p.m.

Reply to post 3:

Do you think the average reader is going to parse through the distinctions you write about when they come to this site?

No, I don't. And that's why I feel compelled to clarify when someone assumes a stringer post is the same as a reporter's news story. It's a problem. A big one.

I also wonder if, bsaed on your comments, the Reader isn't trying to have it both ways. Are you a serious news organization, as some of your articles seem to indicate? If only some of your work is serious, and some is in fun, and some is mixed together, then it would perhaps be in your best interest to take more care in the overlap. Just saying.

I agree - the difference SHOULD be made more clear in the website presentation. Perhaps a disclaimer atop each stringer report? I do not represent or speak for the Reader - I just work here. I bring up - and possibly belabor - this stringer-vs-reporter point by way of encouraging some kind of onsite clarification. I'm talking to website administration about this and similar topics - the site is always being tweaked and improved a bit as we figure these things out.

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 2:26 p.m.

CNN has a similar set-up, iReports, they encourage people to post pictures and videos of newsworthy events. Honestly, I think they are just asking for trouble. I don't know, maybe they have some kind of bulletproof disclaimer people sign that can't be overridden in a court of law.

But is that the point? I think, partly, this is what happens in this new competitive world of journalism. The Reader is trying to lure and keep readers on this site in order to lure and keep ad dollars and whatever else revenue stream it gets based on readership. It therefore offers money and contests to "writers" for contributions to the magazine.

To be fair to both CNN and the Reader they may also really be interested in engaging the public in a truly democratic and free-form form of journalism and reportage. It may work, and in any case, I don't see things changing back to the way they were.

But there's bound to be some unfortunate, perhaps even tragic, mistakes that happen when average people try to do something outside of their knowledge or experience, including gathering news. I don't know how you avoid that. I don't think you should try to merely legally avoid it.

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Jay Allen Sanford Oct. 27, 2009 @ 2:28 p.m.

Response to post 5:

I wouldn't like to see Stringers go away.

Nor would I. The whole experiment with Neighborhood Blogs and News From Stringers is very exciting and, for the most part, successful. We're coming across some terrific stuff, AND a few writers who've availed themselves of those sections show enough potential to ultimately be the Reader's future staffers. I'd just like to see a bit more clarification between the actual news and stuff posted randomly by the general public.

Which brings me back to post 1:

...more than half of the video you see on news channels and local news is through stringers.

If this is indeed true, then I'd point out that the news channel does NOT also present the videographer on camera giving a reporter-style account, unfiltered by the news organization itself. Only the images are used - the actual reporting is still done by reporters, and thus (ideally) filtered thru the rigid system of checks and balances outlined in my essay (well, except maybe for the Fox News Channel, heh heh....)

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Jay Allen Sanford Oct. 27, 2009 @ 2:49 p.m.

Response to post 2:

If you're saying the picture caused the discussion, then fair enough. Hard to believe no one could conceive this would happen beforehand, though, and have thought out a process for handling these kind of situations.

As stated in my essay, the only restrictions to Stringer AND blog posts are that they not defame, libel, or incite via incendiary statements (racial epithets and the like).

SHOULD there be more restrictions? Possibly.

Now that someone HAS complained about the murder victim's photo being uploaded with a Stringer post, should Reader website admin classify the photo as "incendiary" and remove it from the site, even tho it was uploaded back in May? Probably. That's their call.

To be fair to website administration, tho, I wouldn't have expected them to cut the photo upon its first appearance on the site. However inappropriate it was for that stringer to post that photo, it didn't automatically seem to violate website policy. Not until complaints were raised, which - it should be pointed out - didn't happen until five months after the photo was uploaded.

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:01 p.m.

Not incendiary, in my opinion. Certainly insensitive. I have replied to yet another post in that other section responding to this very point.

Secondly, it appears that the first person who initially complained didn't see it until now. I certainly didn't see it until this week. I supported his/her complaint as a valid one.

sigh

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David Dodd Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:03 p.m.

Jay,

Stringers do not "self-publish" photos in the magazine that "you work for", not even on-line. Frankly, I am surprised that you don't know this. The Reader editor that decided to "publish" the stringer story also decided to "publish" the photo (and again, I think that the photo is not offensive, and completely agree with the decision to publish it). When stringers submit stories, they are not automatically accepted. I submitted a story a while back where I was then asked for specific information that I declined to offer, and the story never went through.

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:07 p.m.

"I think that the photo is not offensive, and completely agree with the decision to publish it"

So glad to have someone's permission and approval whose dead child it isn't in the picture. See response in other thread.

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Jay Allen Sanford Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:10 p.m.

I’ve gone back to the original Stringer report from May (http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/may/03/who-killed-richard-swink/#c40683) and asked for further comments to be posted here rather than there (partly in consideration of interested parties who may not want to scroll past the photo of a murder victim, as well as to present the debate on a more current webpage).

Below comment from username SDaniels appeared on the original page before I could make the request - I’ll repeat its entirety since it merits response:

SDaniels: This is a most interesting discussion, and I look forward to hearing jayallen's reply to #21. I was also wondering about the distinction between staff blogs and news. What are the criteria for staff blogs, if any? They are clearly not held to similar standards as a published news or cover story, but are they held to any standards, or are they considered to be on par with whatever--as you put it, jayallen--just some yahoo is posting as a stringer or personal blog? I appreciate your taking the time to parse out these differences :)

JAS replies: For ME, there is very little distinction between the news reports I’ve done weekly for the Reader over the past 14 years and the “staff blog” I’ve written on the site for around two years now. THIS blog entry essay is a very rare deviation – I tend to blog exactly the same as I report.

OTHER staff blogs may or may not do this – Daily Crasher contains whatever Josh Board feels like writing about, whether fact or opinion. His blog posts are no less “staff,” and certainly no less valid, than my own. He just has a different approach – he only posts text, no photos or live links. I, on the other hand, post photos, links, animations, whatever I feel best accompanies the topic at hand.

NONE of the staff blogs are edited by Reader administration. Well, not that I know of anyway. I just happen to choose to maintain a journalist’s approach and format with most of my blog posts. I’m really not much for “chatting” (hence how rare it is for me to post comments anywhere on the Reader site, other than instances where something really impresses me or – as in this instance – vexes me).

So in summation to the query “What are the criteria for staff blogs, if any?,” it’s the same as for neighborhood bloggers, and the same as for stringer posts. Don’t slander, libel, or inflame with incendiary rhetoric. That’s it.

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Jay Allen Sanford Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:11 p.m.

I’d go a step further and posit that website visitors should thus attach no more weight, veracity, or assumption as to journalistic integrity to a staff blog as they would to a neighborhood blog, or a stringer post.

The fact that Rock Around the Town usually reads more like Blurt than a blog is merely due to my own preference – I consider it an honor to have a somewhat privileged and well-read forum on the Reader mainpage, and I personally choose to present it as I would my usual reporting for the print edition.

It’s just one more way I combat the aforementioned blog-ification of journalism that has caused mass confusion as to the difference between real and verified reporting, compared to “some yahoo” with a computer who just wants to be heard ---- all those yahoos screaming all over the internet tend to drown out the rare general-public website posts with actual merit ---

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antigeekess Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:16 p.m.

I think that a lot of people would assume that "News from Stringers" comes from field reporters in remote locations, who do not physically work at the Reader offices. Even if they're freelancers who get paid per story, one might assume they have some kind of agreement and/or guidelines from the Reader, and belong to a known pool of reporters, rather than being complete unknowns who upload stuff that's then called "news."

Cuddle queried: "I also wonder if, bsaed on your comments, the Reader isn't trying to have it both ways."

I wonder too, Cuddle.

And I agree with you, jayallen. It's a problem.

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David Dodd Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:17 p.m.

"So glad to have someone's permission and approval whose dead child it isn't in the picture. See response in other thread."

Yeah, that's pretty much what I said. Thanks for putting those words in my mouth. You are pretty much the most entirely judgmental person I've come across in quite some time. I reckon that no one is entitled to an opinion except for yourself?

Because, hell, we're all wrong if we don't agree with you, right?

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SDaniels Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:18 p.m.

"it’s the same as for neighborhood bloggers, and the same as for stringer posts. Don’t slander, libel, or inflame with incendiary rhetoric. That’s it.

By jayallen"

Jay, there were some posts removed from a neighborhood blogger's thread that were really innocuous, and yet I've seen material that would fall into your three categories stated above, remain up forever. What is your source and working definition for "slander, libel, and incendiary rhetoric?" Are blogs held to the same standard for these three as other kinds of writing published on the site?

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:18 p.m.

How is it, then, that no one at the Reader sees that Mr. Board continually inflames with incendiary rhetoric? Come, Mr. Sanford, we all know Mr. Board is the Don Imus of the Reader and that you all give him wide latitude to be the idiot he is in order to attract those sorts of readers/followers. I am considering a variety of responses to Mr. Board's threads at the moment, none of which include responding on his threads or complaining to the Editor; in my opinion that would be a waste of my time. But please don't try to convince me the editors here don't know what he's up to, it would insulting your intelligence.

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antigeekess Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:21 p.m.

Re #18:

Knew that name was going to find its way into this discussion, eventually.

Glad I wasn't the one who said it.

:)

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David Dodd Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:25 p.m.

AG: Very few, if any of the Reader writers on staff write from the office. Stringers are normally more controlled (for example, for a newspaper a stringer is usually interviewed first - I know I have been) than in here, but the Reader is a quirky publication, and I think it works for the publication. It's very San Diego, if you ask me.

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:26 p.m.

I'm not afraid to say his name, AG. I choose to ignore him. But I won't allow Mr. Sanford to say that they don't know what's going on here, that beggars belief and must be challenged.

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:28 p.m.

Because, hell, we're all wrong if we don't agree with you, right?

By refriedgringo 3:17 p.m., Oct 27, 2009

Actually, I think this applies to yourself, refriedgringo. I don't expect people to agree with me. May I at least have the right to express my opinion even if it differs from yours?

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:33 p.m.

I’d go a step further and posit that website visitors should thus attach no more weight, veracity, or assumption as to journalistic integrity to a staff blog as they would to a neighborhood blog, or a stringer post.

By jayallen 3:11 p.m., Oct 27, 2009

We keep going to the same point, jayallen, and you keep sidestepping it. "Website visitors" have little ability and less appetite to distinguish what is a "story," what is "news," what is a "staff blog," etc. The Reader appears to have left those boundaries pretty loosey-goosey. You want to posit based on what, exactly?

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Jay Allen Sanford Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:36 p.m.

Response to post 17:

"Jay, there were some posts removed from a neighborhood blogger's thread that were really innocuous, and yet I've seen material that would fall into your three categories stated above, remain up forever. What is your source and working definition for "slander, libel, and incendiary rhetoric?" Are blogs held to the same standard for these three as other kinds of writing published on the site?"

These are queries that only website administrators can answer. As far as I know, there is no handbook with guidelines and clarification and to what qualifies for editing/removal and what does not. I doubt such a definitive guide COULD be created.

I suspect it's like that old judge's definition of "pornography," back when Nixon was trying to impose a federal ban - "I know it when I see it."

Also, if someone COMPLAINS about a post, whether about the text content or an accompanying photo, that complaint may well present enough evidence as to "incendiary" nature so that website admin will then edit or remove the "offending" post."

If a post (stringer or blog) doesn't immediately appear to website admin as violating site rules, and if nobody complains (with a coherent case for WHY something violates site rules), sure it's gonna stay posted ---

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antigeekess Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:37 p.m.

"I'm not afraid to say his name, AG."

Yeah, ya know Cuddle, it's not so much that I'm "afraid" to say it. But mentioning him is kind of like invoking a demon. Sure, I may know what to do with it when it gets here, but who the hell wants it?

I think he's a good example of the Reader trying to "have it both ways," as you said. Provoke, incite, stir up "controversy," and rack up the website hits from outraged individuals far and wide who wander over to the Reader site for a gander at this insanity.

A living incarnation of the old maxim, "Any publicity is good publicity."

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David Dodd Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:38 p.m.

"Actually, I think this applies to yourself, refriedgringo. I don't expect people to agree with me. May I at least have the right to express my opinion even if it differs from yours?"

Ah, but the difference is, I do not put words in your mouth when I disagree with you, CuddleFish. I do not accuse you of insulting my intelligence, nor do I offer you "a second chance" at perhaps changing your opinion because it isn't in line with my own. The big difference between you and me, is that I respect your opinion, and you do not respect mine.

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antigeekess Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:40 p.m.

refried wrote:

"Stringers are normally more controlled (for example, for a newspaper a stringer is usually interviewed first - I know I have been)..."

See, that's exactly what I would assume.

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:44 p.m.

Are you hearing this, Reader admin? Is this what you want for your site?:

"I'm not afraid to say his name, AG."

Yeah, ya know Cuddle, it's not so much that I'm "afraid" to say it. But mentioning him is kind of like invoking a demon. Sure, I may know what to do with it when it gets here, but who the hell wants it?

I think he's a good example of the Reader trying to "have it both ways," as you said. Provoke, incite, stir up "controversy," and rack up the website hits from outraged individuals far and wide who wander over to the Reader site for a gander at this insanity.

A living incarnation of the old maxim, "Any publicity is good publicity."

By antigeekess 3:37 p.m., Oct 27, 2009

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David Dodd Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:46 p.m.

AG: My second novel starts with a fictionalization of my first interview as a stringer, about twenty-five years ago. He asked me where I was studying journalism (the editor), and I admitted that I was an engineer. He blinked, ready to dismiss me. I told him I could write. He tested me, gave me a box score to some old, forgotten football game and told me to give him twelve inches on column. I did.

He hired me on the spot ;)

But the Reader is a different style of script. I kind of like reading stuff from a perspective I would never get from a more controlled enviroment.

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:49 p.m.

Ah, but the difference is, I do not put words in your mouth when I disagree with you, CuddleFish. I do not accuse you of insulting my intelligence, nor do I offer you "a second chance" at perhaps changing your opinion because it isn't in line with my own. The big difference between you and me, is that I respect your opinion, and you do not respect mine.

By refriedgringo 3:38 p.m., Oct 27, 2009

Please provide an example of where I have put words in your mouth, refriedgringo. And you are actually putting words in mine by stating that I offered you a second chance to change your opinion because it was not in line with mine. The fact that you chose to interpret it that way proves exactly my point. You do not respect my opinion. You expect me to agree with yours.

I will agree with anyone's opinion if I find it has merit, not merely because they insist that they are right.

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Jay Allen Sanford Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:53 p.m.

Response to post 23:

"We keep going to the same point, jayallen, and you keep sidestepping it. "Website visitors" have little ability and less appetite to distinguish what is a "story," what is "news," what is a "staff blog," etc. The Reader appears to have left those boundaries pretty loosey-goosey. You want to posit based on what, exactly?"

JAS replies: It's BECAUSE of those "loosey-goosey" boundaries that I'm clarifying here, and inviting debate. Site visitors have no way of ascertaining for themselves what I'm saying:

1) News From Stringers is NOT the same as the news reported by Reader staffers (and freelancers).

2) Neither are Reader Blogs - whether a staff blog or a neighborhood blog - to be considered news, or to be reporting. There is NO DIFFERENCE between a Neighborhood blog post and a Staff blog post, other than how the blogger chooses to present it. The rules are the same -- and those rules are FAR DIFFERENT from the rules behind the ACTUAL NEWS reported everywhere else on the Reader site.

So in summation - on the Reader site, blogs and Stringer Reports SHOULD be taken as merely some individual's say-so, and they can say anything they want as long as it doesn't slander/defame/libel/incite. I'd like to see some kind of clarification on the Reader site informing site visitors of this.

Meanwhile, everything ELSE on the Reader site (other than ads and neighborhood photos) IS the product of the San Diego Reader, not the general public, and thus all that material goes thru a house wringer far more complex and involved. This non-blog non-stringer content CAN be counted on as news. However debatable the merit of that news may seem to readers -- merit aside, 99 percent of it is at least pre-verified as accurate and newsworthy, by a number of well-qualified editorial staffers, long before anyone outside the Reader sees/reads it.

Even someone seeing their very first story ever to appear in the print edition will find themselves jumping thru many, many more hoops to see that happen than "some yahoo" at home merely uploading a stringer report about a swimming pool or a blog post about what they ate for breakfast, and expecting a check in return ---

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:56 p.m.

By the way, I take it back that Josh Board is the Don Imus of the Reader. Don Imus is at least occasionally informative and amusing. ;)

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antigeekess Oct. 27, 2009 @ 3:58 p.m.

"By the way, I take it back that Josh Board is the Don Imus of the Reader. Don Imus is at least occasionally informative and amusing. ;)"

LOL. I had the same thought!

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David Dodd Oct. 27, 2009 @ 4:05 p.m.

Cuddlefish, you did, and you know you did, and the fact that you pretend that you don't know you did is somewhat insulting. I think it had to do with Rush Limbaugh and his failed ownership of the Rams. You go look it up, you provide the "example".

Your opinion is your own. I either politely disagree with it, or refrain from comment. You, on the other hand, enjoy exploring my daughter's death, or the death of others inside of your disagreements with my opinions. I am beginning to think that you enjoy internet fights, that maybe you do this sort of thing on purpose because it pleases you. Maybe you start things like this on purpose.

I don't care if you agree with me. It is not my purpose on this planet to get people to agree with me, I'm not running for public office. In case you didn't notice, I don't drag your family members into any disagreement, nor do I even ask any personal questions. I respect boundaries. You do not. You are so entirely judgemental, and then retreat into some shell, like you have immunity and yet can attack at will.

Passive-aggressive, much?

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PistolPete Oct. 27, 2009 @ 4:07 p.m.

"We keep going to the same point, jayallen, and you keep sidestepping it. "Website visitors" have little ability and less appetite to distinguish what is a "story," what is "news," what is a "staff blog," etc. The Reader appears to have left those boundaries pretty loosey-goosey. You want to posit based on what, exactly?"

This ain't rocket science here,CuddleFish. The first time I ever visited this site,I knew what was what and I'm not even college-ejimikated. Imagine that!

Quite frankly,if you don't know the difference betweeb news and what passes as news ala a Stringers story,you need mental help. And I don't mean YOU personally,CuddleFish. I mean EVERYONE.

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Jay Allen Sanford Oct. 27, 2009 @ 4:08 p.m.

Response to post 32:

Cuddlefish, you don't clarify whether you're referring to Josh's Crasher column and his other stories in the printed edition, or whether you're referring to his blog on this site. In either event, I beg to differ - his spoken-voice stream-of-consciousness writing style is PERFECT for a column about crashing parties. You may recall the Crasher column was originally by a different writer - since Josh took it over, Crasher is far more entertaining.

As for his blogs, sure, I'd like to see him learn how to provide an occasional link to stuff he refers to, or perhaps running his spelling and facts thru quick Google searches before posting.

But this goes to the above discussion - a blog is not reporting.

And blog standards/requirements are far more lax - I happen to think Josh's blog is always worth a looksee, and the Reader agrees or else his Daily Crasher wouldn't share the same showcase spotlight on the Reader mainpage each day as the blogs by myself, the amazing Don Bauder (a Reader MVP if ever there was one), etc.

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David Dodd Oct. 27, 2009 @ 4:24 p.m.

Josh is good for the Reader, even if some people tend to be rubbed the wrong way. Some of that is undoubtedly by design. It's easy to find controversy, but a tad more difficult to exploit it. A lot of what Josh does takes mad-big-giant-nads to execute. Like him or hate him, he drives the readership, on both sides.

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Jay Allen Sanford Oct. 27, 2009 @ 5:32 p.m.

Response to post 35:

"Quite frankly,if you don't know the difference betweeb news and what passes as news ala a Stringers story,you need mental help. And I don't mean YOU personally,CuddleFish. I mean EVERYONE.

JAS: So I guess it goes without saying that some columns in the print edition are likewise not handled with the same journalistic guidelines and restrictions as news reporting. I would hope that anyone reading opinion/editorial/autobiographical columns ala Diary of a Diva, Crasher, etc, does not mistake that writing as news reporting. Whether they read such columns on the website or in the print edition -

It's mainly just online News From Stringers which provide the points of my contention - despite the header, those posts are not necessarily news, nor are the stringers necessarily reporters. Tho some, the best of them anyway, can likely BECOME reporters, if such is their desire ---

And now I must turn off the 'puter and go make some comic books (SHAMELESS PLUG - working on the Pink Floyd Experience graphic novel tonight), but I'll check back later to see if this (excellent) debate merits additional comment -- even if I've already probably posted more comments to this single page than I have to the entire website, in the two years since the Reader launched it) ---

Thanks to all who've so far participated in the debate ---

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 5:45 p.m.

Shucks, he left! Well, I will post this anyway:

"As for [Josh's] blogs, sure, I'd like to see him learn how to provide an occasional link to stuff he refers to, or perhaps running his spelling and facts thru quick Google searches before posting.

But this goes to the above discussion - a blog is not reporting.

And blog standards/requirements are far more lax - I happen to think Josh's blog is always worth a looksee, and the Reader agrees or else his Daily Crasher wouldn't share the same showcase spotlight on the Reader mainpage each day as the blogs by myself, the amazing Don Bauder (a Reader MVP if ever there was one), etc.

By jayallen 4:08 p.m., Oct 27, 2009"

This has nothing to do with spell-checking. Nor does it have to do with reporting, per se. Mr. Board is an employee of the Reader. As we have been discussing, the casual visitor will not necessarily distinguish Mr. Board's articles, such as they are, from his blog. This lends his blog a certain appearance of being authorized and approved by the Reader. However, that is not the point I was making earlier, and that I understood you to make: "So in summation to the query “What are the criteria for staff blogs, if any?,” it’s the same as for neighborhood bloggers, and the same as for stringer posts. Don’t slander, libel, or inflame with incendiary rhetoric. That’s it.

By jayallen 3:10 p.m., Oct 27, 2009"

As to your earlier point about Mr. Board's threads always being worth a little looksee, hey? How cute!

Was today’s thread worth a little look-see?:

How about this one, just a little look-see?:

Or this one, one more little look-see?:

And those are just three that I picked out from October, that are racially offensive. I will just post this one for an example of comments that are just as offensive, in this thread there’s an incest joke:

Now, I wouldn’t like to come to the conclusion that men have no problem with this sort of thing, by the way, it is mostly white men that run the Reader, isn’t it? What do you people mean, exactly, by inflammatory rhetoric?

Or maybe you want to tell me, like two of your white male posters did, that I’m just a delicate flower?

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David Dodd Oct. 27, 2009 @ 5:56 p.m.

"Now, I wouldn’t like to come to the conclusion that men have no problem with this sort of thing, by the way, it is mostly white men that run the Reader, isn’t it?"

Pot, meet kettle.

When you first arrived at this site posting and contributing, you complained harshly about the Reader censoring content. And now, you want content censored. Ironic, much? What you wouldn't want to come to the conlusion of is that the Reader employs many women who have a lot of control of the content of the magazine and the website. They also control what you are able to write in the website. You need to do some research before throwing out baseless charges of gender bias.

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antigeekess Oct. 27, 2009 @ 7:58 p.m.

"Or maybe you want to tell me, like two of your white male posters did, that I’m just a delicate flower?"

I'm not a damn bit delicate, and I find most of what that guy writes to be offensive and unintelligent. My reading requirements are simple. When I take the trouble to read something, I expect to be entertained, educated, or inspired.
There are plenty of blogs on this site that meet one or more of those requirements. His isn't one of them.

Practically everything he writes is "incidiary." Deliberately so. His daily blogs essentially consist of picking out some person or group of people, making a negative judgment about them, and saying some nasty, judgmental things. This is always supported by unsubstantiated "facts" that usually begin with the phrase "I heard." Said facts are usually, if not always, wrong. It's a pitiful excuse for "journalism" that's nothing more than muckraking in the tradition of Limbaugh and can hold only that demographic.

This is notwithstanding the revolving door of new folks that he constantly asks to contribute to his blog, both in person and via email, and then verbally abuses them once they do so. Luckily for him, he gets around a lot, and meets a lot of new people. Therefore, his readers are replaceable -- which is a good thing, because you'll notice that most of them don't stick around for long.

I'm not the only reader and former contributor to his blogs that knows that he collects information about people and then uses it to provoke them when he writes these incindiary blogs. He "baits" people. He'll name groups that he knows you're a part of, and announce that they're all "idiots," etc. It's obvious and thinly veiled to those of us who have been through this cycle with him.

Basically, the dude tries to run his blog like it's the Howard Stern radio show. (Which is not altogether unexpected, since he's a former radio guy.) Pop off with something obnoxious, and then let your callers/readers do all the work for you with their phone calls/comments. Fill the airspace, fill the bandwidth. Same thing.

Great scam.

It's disingenuous of the Reader to disavow responsibility for what he writes just because it's in his "personal" blog in another spot on the website.

Q: Now, let me get this straight. This guy is a PAID STAFFER.

A: That's right.

Q: But he's not held to the standards of a paid staffer?

A: Not when he's over there.

Q: Over where?

A: There. Over there in that other spot.

Q: On your website? The same website?

A: Correct.

Q: Huh?

A: Yeah.

Right.

It's a problem.

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PistolPete Oct. 27, 2009 @ 8:03 p.m.

Not to mention CuddleFish,it's still a free country and Josh didn't exactly any offensive words. He just told it like it is.

As for the Reader,I think the owner is crazier than bats*** for wanting to always put an amendment banning teenage abortions on the ballot but I don't hold that against him. Obviously.

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David Dodd Oct. 27, 2009 @ 8:16 p.m.

I don't think that the owner is crazy for wanting to ban teenage abortion at all. While I am, in the political sense, pro-choice, I am very much anti-abortion. No one should want to abort a child. I am pro-choice because I do not believe that the government has the right to be involved.

But, if push came to shove, I'd protest right next to the guy. So long as the government's involvement wasn't the issue.

And as for Josh Board, as long as the government isn't involved...

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 8:17 p.m.

As far as what AG's saying re the vengeful attacks against readers who have disagreed with Board in the past, if you look at his threads this past week, you will see how he attacked AG a number of times directly and indirectly, including on one thread regarding an issue I don't have firsthand knowledge of but apparently having to do with her correcting him on the definition of the word "dowry." Now, as I said, I wasn't there when the issue came up, I do know who I'd lay my money on when it comes to who would know better the meaning of a word as between Board and AG, but that isn't the point. This READER EMPLOYEE harassed AG, and by his example, seemed to incite others to harass and ridicule AG, on that thread. That isn't the only time, the first time, or even the last time he's unfairly attacked AG, directly and indirectly. He has also harassed and attacked other readers on his thread.

I will further say this: The first time I read something objectionable by Board on the thread where he makes the incest joke, I directly said so to him. I was privately warned that I should not make enemies with Josh Board because he would harass me as he had harassed others, via messages through the Reader, on his threads, and elsewhere. That in itself would not have deterred me from posting on his threads; what kept me from responding to his offensive comments was that I could see that it wouldn't matter what I said because he clearly wouldn't reconsider his position and wouldn't apologize for his offensive comments.

The only reason I brought it up here was because as I said, either the Reader truly doesn't find Board's comments offensive (see my earlier remarks), or pretends not to see them. It is impossible to believe the second possibility, therefore one has to believe the first.

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PistolPete Oct. 27, 2009 @ 8:51 p.m.

Refried-I'm pro-choice for the exact same reason you are but also because it's not my business. I'm a man. I have zero say in matters of childbirth. My kid or the next-door-neighbor's. The owner is crazier than bats*** because EVERY election he tries to get the law changed and EVERY election he gets shot down. Does Mr. Holman know the definition of insanity? With that said,I still respect the guy. WOW! There's a thought for Reader regulars-respecting someone else even if their views differ. HUH! Imagine that....

http://lastblogonearth.com/2009/10/15/reader-editor-jim-holman-launches-fourth-parental-notification-ballot-measure/

CuddleFish,if you were to bet who knew the real definition of the word dowry,you'd lose good money by putting it on AG. From what I understand,she claims that the word dowry means:a husband gives his wife's family a gift;usually money or property. She'd be dead wrong. No matter how she has spun it to Josh,Josh is in fact correct. Dowry means the exact opposite. It's a gift in the form of money and/or land from a woman's family to her husband so that he will treat her right. A dowry is in essence a type of marital bribe.

"I was privately warned that I should not make enemies with Josh Board because he would harass me as he had harassed others, via messages through the Reader, on his threads, and elsewhere." Without knowing exactly who,my money is on either SD or AG herself. When I first came to these forums,there was an obvious animosity between the three. It's not a case for Scooby-Doo who told to lay off Josh for fear of a similar retaliation.

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antigeekess Oct. 27, 2009 @ 9:08 p.m.

Pete: "From what I understand,she claims that the word dowry means:a husband gives his wife's family a gift;usually money or property. She'd be dead wrong. No matter how she has spun it to Josh,Josh is in fact correct."

No, he's not. Because he got it backwards. Shocking, I know. How unusual for him to get a fact wrong. I said that it's something that goes with the bride, to the groom.

"Dowry means the exact opposite. It's a gift in the form of money and/or land from a woman's family to her husband so that he will treat her right. A dowry is in essence a type of marital bribe."

Right on, Peter. And that's what I said it was.

What he did was go somewhere on the net to a Middle Eastern source and find the opposite definition, because they basically buy women over there with livestock. But the conversation wasn't about the friggin' Middle East.

He's apparently still harping on it, so you'd think he'd finally get his facts straight by NOW. But I guess since I almost never read his blog anymore, he thinks he can turn it around & claim I was the doofus.

You're good at searching. Use the search function, and look it up.

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David Dodd Oct. 27, 2009 @ 9:10 p.m.

"...what kept me from responding to his offensive comments was that I could see that it wouldn't matter what I said because he clearly wouldn't reconsider his position and wouldn't apologize for his offensive comments."

Because, everyone should totally apologize to you because you're offended? What?

Please. This is exactly the same treatment you gave to me. You're offended, therefor, we're wrong. Holy crap.

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PistolPete Oct. 27, 2009 @ 9:11 p.m.

Ok then. I apologize. I was told that you were the one that got it wrong.

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antigeekess Oct. 27, 2009 @ 9:24 p.m.

Re #44:

You needn't worry about me, Cuddle, because I'm definitely not concerned about it. I brushed it off a while ago.

:)

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CuddleFish Oct. 27, 2009 @ 9:30 p.m.

Excuse me, AG, I am illustrating this point to jayallen and whoever else of the Reader admin may read this thread. It is not your personal experience, bad as it has been, that is the point here, it is that the Reader allows Josh Board to run amok under the pretense that either his threads and his conduct isn't offensive, when clearly it is, or that they don't know that his thread and his conduct isn't offensive, which is entirely possible. They may really believe that; as I said, I don't know who runs this place, but if they're anything like the people responding here, it's entirely possible.

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antigeekess Oct. 27, 2009 @ 9:31 p.m.

Re #49:

Published in the Journal of Neuroscience. They don't publish crap.

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PistolPete Oct. 27, 2009 @ 9:34 p.m.

That's junk science at it's best. What they're trying to tell me is that I see the world depending on my mood? ROTLMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My moods change. The world doesn't. I see the world in the EXACT same way whether I'm pissed or plugfed estatic. It's bulls,AG.

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PistolPete Oct. 27, 2009 @ 9:38 p.m.

And CuddleFish? NOTHING is going to change on this website regarding Josh. He's boring and quite dull but he's also very thought provoking and astute in his observations. You like to pull the political card alot. You must know by pulling it,there are going to be offensive things said and seen. If you're not willing to take the guilt,don't pull the trigger.

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Josh Board Oct. 28, 2009 @ 12:19 a.m.

Yes, I agree complete with PistolPete. Wait! He said I was boring and dull (isn't that redundant? let's ask Geek, the human dicitonary). I agree with everything BUT that comment by Pete.

Okay, where to start. First, Geek and Cuddle both use a joke that's 50 years old, in saying that they can't compare me to Don Imus, because he's occasionally funny and informative. Wow, if you two both think that, you're both mental midgets. I understand, you need to say that for the joke to work. But neither of you likes Imus.

Cuddle, you are wrong when you say I'd never re-consider my position. I've done it in a few blogs. One being about cops that shot a local musician they said reached for a toy gun in the backseat. The thread got long and heated, but I was reading the info the people were posting, and then conceeded that they were correct, and my original stance on the blog was wrong.

Cuddle, you say you were warned about how if you cross me, I harass you. Well, haven't you been proven wrong in that? How have I bugged you since the whole incest thread that you found so offensive? I send you one personal message via this website, politely asking why you didn't respond to the points I made. You sent me back a snide comment saying you said all you had to say on the subject. Which was, really, very little. You just attacked me for being insenstive. Which I really wasn't. This woman Macknezie said she had a 10 year relationship with her dad, that was consensual. So, for me calling her crazy...well, unless she was a minor (she was 19 when it started), to me, that qualifies as crazy.

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PistolPete Oct. 28, 2009 @ 12:45 a.m.

Sorry Josh. You ARE boring and dull but that's ok. We're ALL boring and dull in our own way. The ones who shine through the opaqueness of boring are the ones like us who see through the bulls of life and call out the prudes,prisses and namby pambys in life. I've always held the view that if I wore a t-shirt that said plainly"F YOU!" and you got offended by it,that was ok. The way I look at it,nothing can be done about it and there's really nothing to get your panties in a bunch over. Why? First off,you're the one offended,not me. If I was offended by 7 letters on a shirt,I wouldn't be wearing it in the first place. That brings me back to you. What can you do about it? It's a free country. Absolutely nothing can be done. Nada. Zip. Zero. Zilch. That leaves me to continue on my way with a smile and you sitting there fuming over something that you have no control over. Who looks like the bigger idiot? Me or you?

That's why I love reading your blogs,Josh. You're like me. You get people to open thier little squinty eyes. Let the world in. It's a big world but not everything is offensive unless you allow it. It's the same with racial epithets. YOU and YOU alone give power to words.

Just to get ya'll riled up and frothing at the mouth like a rabid pitbull,here's a list of some racial epithets via Wikipedia.they really need to start paying us for these links

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Josh Board Oct. 28, 2009 @ 12:55 a.m.

Pete and Geek, I did get the dowry story wrong on one of the re-telling versions and did say it backwards. But the point still stands. Geek, who for a long time, started coming on my blogs and attacking me (because she didn't like my take on a story in the news), and this was one time she said I had the definition wrong. I looked it up, and some popular online dictionary, and one of the definitions worked for the way I used it. And she never admitted "Okay, you were right. For once." She would've been able to admit it and get a zinger in, all at once.

Cuddle, not sure why you are so offended by the incest blog. I was more offended by you saying that it's common in society. So...I said it was 1% or less of the population, but admitted I pulled that figure out of my butt (I know Geek, it's no different than what I usually do). You never responded.

And yes, Geek is also right, that I ask people to go onto the Reader website and my blogs. Just as I got a brake job from a place that advertised in the Reader. It makes good business sense. Geek and I were friends way before she came to these threads. Since we had email exchanges, but never really had a lot to say (as I didn't care about her cat, her post office job, or the guys that she either hated or that didn't like her), I suggested she come to the boards and we could talk about the topics of the day. I think she got offended by my take on things like skydivers. And yes, if you do an activity and I say "You're an idiot if you skydive" I can see how that's insulting. I just get tired of people dying, or having to be rescued by the cops, for doing dumb things. And I realize now, that the dumb people that do these dumb things, get offended. I will try to work on that.

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Josh Board Oct. 28, 2009 @ 1:08 a.m.

Pete, you kill me. You say I'm boring...yet, you've used that same example about offending people sooo many times. And I've told you, regarding that...how can a parent not be bothered by someone reading a shirt with those words, as their young kid is nearby?

But back to Cuddle and Geek...since I'm such a mean man that attacks any woman in my path! (I'm sure Geek will post a thread that shows something Freud said on why I do such things)

Oh yeah, both of you (assuming Cuddlefish is the same person that used to go by Fish) have said numerous times in threads, you found something I said funny. Weird that you don't remember that.

Also weird that...(warning: offensive line to follow) women don't seem to know how to debate without getting crazy. Refried and Pete have had debates with me that got heated. They're still great guys that can hang and talk in other threads. Yet you two women, and a few other, get mad at something I say, and then attack. When I attack back (if you can call what I do "attacking") you complain.

Yet, it's one of you women (I won't say which one) that immediately had to warn me about Storyteller, when I posted something positive on one of her threads. I was warned that she'll stalk me, harass me, etc etc. Yet, I never had a problem with her (under any of the various names she used).

We are all adults here (I think). Why does anyone need to warn anyone of anything? If you don't like something, don't read it. I get paid either way. It'll be your loss (especially if you find Stern and Imus entertaining...yikes).

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Josh Board Oct. 28, 2009 @ 1:10 a.m.

Jay, sorry for hijacking the thread. But hey...my name appeared. This is the last from me (for now)

Cuddle, also...if you go back to how I'm so insulting...our big "fight" seems to have started in that incest thread. The only thing I wrote offensive, was the title (one dad at a time). You were the first one to attack me in it, calling me an idiot and other things. Even with that, I responded by answering your questions, without any name calling. Don't believe me? Go back and read the responses to that blog.

Also, to say I find a group of people and "pick on them" is also absurd. Yes, I do that if it's cops giving tickets for a charge that doesn't exist. Or a group of burglars that did something stupid. Or whatever topic strikes my fancy that day. I have to assume, a cop that DOES NOT do those stupid things, wouldn't be offended.

As always, if you call me out on a fact that I'm wrong about, or show me a perspective I hadn't thought about...I'll be the first to admit it. I seem to recall doing it recently in the movie threads, when I said something about a film, and someone gave me a take that was the complete opposite of what I was saying. I had to re-think, and realized they were right, and said so.

That's all for now. Unlike Jay (thanks for the backhanded compliment, bro...hehehe)...I respond to all the stuff I write. Other writes have said they don't, because they aren't paid more to do it. But I feel I owe it to people. If they think I'm wrong, or want to discuss a topic...hell, I type 120 minutes. Why not take a few minutes to rattle of some missive (I know Geek, I put the "miss" in missive).

Good night to all.

Even Pete, who is probably wearing PJs that have Curious George flipping the bird to the guy in yellow.

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rickeysays Oct. 28, 2009 @ 1:11 a.m.

Antigeek and Cuddlefish, the problem with you both(as Refried has touched on) is that you think you have a right to never be offended. That if someone says something you find offensive, they need to be silenced. Aside from the scary censorship implications of this, it says a lot about YOUR openmindedness.

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Josh Board Oct. 28, 2009 @ 1:21 a.m.

Okay, one last thing. For kicks, I went to look at the threads Cuddlefish posted, in saying "is this worth a looksee?"

One was about Black Barbie dolls. Another was about me saying you should know English if you are driving on our roads. But the cops were stupid for ticketing those drivers.

How are either of those stances offensive? They aren't. I'm talking about a story that is IN THE NEWS. Nothing I said in those is "offensive."

If you can't speak English, you probably can't read street signs, and that seems dangerous. Am I wrong, cuddle? If I am, I'll admit it. Promise.

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PistolPete Oct. 28, 2009 @ 1:25 a.m.

"...how can a parent not be bothered by someone reading a shirt with those words, as their young kid is nearby?"

Not my problem. If my shirt offends you,you may want to re-think squirting what can become another human being from your loins.

I wasn't put on this planet to think to myself"I wonder how he/she would feel about this T-shirt today....."

http://www.bewild.com/ihaenfrt.html I own a slightly different version of this shirt.

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PistolPete Oct. 28, 2009 @ 1:31 a.m.

Actually Josh,I have a plaid footless sleeper that I never get to wear because this the land of boring weather. I may wear it tonight because it's supposed to get down to a nice,crisp,fall-like 45 degrees tonight.

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rickeysays Oct. 28, 2009 @ 2:47 a.m.

Pete, your problem is you get off on being offensive. That just makes you an a$$. Take a stand on principle. You can support free speech without shouting "fire" in the crowded theatre. Or exposing kids to ideas they're not ready for. You like to post links, so here's one for you. You support free speech by speaking out against people like this: http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article819041.ece

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PistolPete Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:41 a.m.

You say tomato and I say tomahto. Same thing. I wouldn't exactly say I get off on offending people. I haven't wore that shirt in months. But I'm not afraid to face the public while wearing it. If you have kids,cool. I have no problem with kids. Remember this though,rickeysays,just because you decided to have kids DOES NOT mean I have to watch what I wear,say or do while around them. Your job,as a parent,is to educate and inform. I'm not anti-family. I am however anti-I have to live life according to your values because you and your mate f***ed like jack rabbits one fine evening and nine months later had a kid.

You want to contribute to poverty,homelessness and an overwhelming sense of dread. Knock yourself out. It's a free country. Just don't expect me to change my opinions because you decided to do the nasty without a condom.

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Josh Board Oct. 28, 2009 @ 4:22 p.m.

So using that logic Pete, do you feel people could do anything in public they wanted? Maybe public nudity, or ???

After all, you want to say you should be free to live your life as you want, and not worry about what kids might see.

Should there not be age restrictions on R rated films? Should teenagers be allowed bo buy alcohol?

Or, should you NOT be allowed to drink a can of beer while walking down the street.

It really doesn't make sense, because you'd have anarchy. When the simple fact is...it's not hard to refrain from cursing at the Padres game, since children are present. Or from wearing a shirt with an offensive phrase, etc.

Now, the debate you guys had about the dead body being pictured in a news story...that is a more interesting debate, as I can see both sides. With this, I can't.

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 4:26 p.m.

Oooh did a Reader employee just say "news story" with relation to a picture of a dead body?

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 4:26 p.m.

Oh but of course, this is just a Reader Staff blog.

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antigeekess Oct. 28, 2009 @ 7:17 p.m.

"Also weird that...(warning: offensive line to follow) women don't seem to know how to debate without getting crazy."

Aw, dem cwazy beeyotches!!! You don't know how to debate. Period. What you call "debate" is, without exception, a bunch of silly Jerry Springeresque argumentation, based on knee-jerk reactions and no real data whatsoever. Daniels, on the other hand, actually can DEBATE. Point-by-point and ON point. I've seen her kick your a$$ numerous times as she debated, and you merely reacted by flailing about, not addressing anything she brought up. Unfortunately, Board, you're a lot like this guy:

(That'd be the one in the BLACK.) What is she supposed to do with someone who's incompetent to defend himself successfully, and too bloody stupid to recognize when he's been beaten?

As a frustrated Arthur puts it, "You're a looney...All right, we'll call it a draw." Maybe you could bite her legs off?

"Yet you two women, and a few other, get mad at something I say, and then attack. When I attack back (if you can call what I do "attacking") you complain."

This is just you putting your finger in your mouth and pulling your skirt up over your head like a little girl. You attack "back," my a$$. You attack FIRST. The FIRST one is always that daily nastygram you call a blog, and the SECOND one comes when you start calling your contributors "idiots," "mental midgets," etc., etc.

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antigeekess Oct. 28, 2009 @ 6:58 p.m.

Board showed up and pecked about:

"...Geek, the human dicitonary)," misspelling dictionary.

I'm sorry you're intimidated by my vocabulary, which isn't that impressive. Daniels must intimidate you about 1000 times more.

"...you're both mental midgets." (Referring to CF & I.)

And the name-calling begins, if "human dictionary" didn't already count. What's great about the use of this particular unoriginal phrase -- "mental midgets" -- is that in this case, it's both offensive in a couple of different ways AND ironic, considering the source.

"Geek, who for a long time, started coming on my blogs and attacking me (because she didn't like my take on a story in the news)"

WTF? Post it. What story?

"And yes, Geek is also right, that I ask people to go onto the Reader website and my blogs.....Geek and I were friends way before she came to these threads. Since we had email exchanges, but never really had a lot to say (as I didn't care about her cat, her post office job, or the guys that she either hated or that didn't like her)"

Again, WTF? Post 'em. I've got 'em all. Do you want ME to start posting emails publicly? Mostly I got emails from YOU asking where I was & why I wasn't commenting, whenever I'd get sick of your s***ty blog and your stupid comments toward me & couldn't stand it any more.

The whole "women and cats" thing? Really? Come up with some of those. The only time I talk cats is with people who have cats and like cats. And how stupid is this coming from a guy who just recently lost his "Man Card" for toting around a poodle he tries to pass off as a Maltese, taking it to all kinds of inappropriate places like restaurants, annoying people with it, and blogging about it incessantly?

My job? YOU asked ME questions about it, since you worked for the same organization for about 5 minutes a zillion years ago, and think you know something about it.

Aaand, "the guys that she either hated or that didn't like her." That's just blatant horses***. Name some names.

"I suggested she come to the boards and we could talk about the topics of the day."

Nagged. Pestered.

"I think she got offended by my take on things like skydivers. And yes, if you do an activity and I say "You're an idiot if you skydive" I can see how that's insulting."

Yeah, I know you can. You wrote it on purpose, specifically to bait ME, and you and I both know it. You may be able to BS everybody else in cyberspace about that, but since you've done disparaging blogs about several different groups which you know I'm a member of -- and done it repeatedly -- it's not like I don't know what you're up to. Currently, it's AGAIN the supposedly inferior intelligence of adoptees, because you know I am one.

"...And I realize now, that the dumb people that do these dumb things, get offended. I will try to work on that."

Nice. You work on it, buddy. Get a good shrink to help.

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David Dodd Oct. 28, 2009 @ 7:29 p.m.

"How is it, then, that no one at the Reader sees that Mr. Board continually inflames with incendiary rhetoric?"

By CuddleFish 3:18 p.m., Oct 27, 2009

AG, I don't want to take sides here (that isn't my intention, anyway), but you have to admit, Mr. Board never entered the fray until this comment was published. I agree with demanding fairness, and I agree with the freedom to express dissenting opinions, but I do think that Josh came in here to defend himself.

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 7:32 p.m.

LOL I was waiting for that one!

Excuse me for pointing out the obvious when an opportunity arose to point out the obvious.

Clearly, AntiGeekess had a few things to say about the subject as well. Why, was I supposed to clear it with someone before I posted?

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antigeekess Oct. 28, 2009 @ 7:33 p.m.

Board also squealed in protest:

"Also, to say I find a group of people and "pick on them" is also absurd."

If you're going to put something in quotes, could you at least get it right JUST THIS ONCE? Here's what I said above:

"Practically everything he writes is "incidiary." Deliberately so. His daily blogs essentially consist of picking out some person or group of people, making a negative judgment about them, and saying some nasty, judgmental things. This is always supported by unsubstantiated "facts" that usually begin with the phrase "I heard." Said facts are usually, if not always, wrong. It's a pitiful excuse for "journalism" that's nothing more than muckraking in the tradition of Limbaugh and can hold only that demographic."

I'll leave it to somebody else to do the search and show the examples. The list includes black people (particularly students), adoptees, and the elderly, just for starters.

I'm outta here.

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 7:40 p.m.

I'll leave it to somebody else to do the search and show the examples. The list includes black people (particularly students), adoptees, and the elderly, just for starters.

I'm outta here.

By antigeekess 7:33 p.m., Oct 28, 2009

Oooh, I was hoping someone would ask! I've got a few ready here, but will look for more! :)

Death, thread posted on 20 October 2009

And can someone explain to me how a person goes out there at 1:00 a.m. and is still there during rush hour traffic in the morning, screwing up commuters. We need to bring that guy over from China. Remember the guy that pushed the person off the bridge because he was holding up traffic?

Seriously, we need to work on our police dealing with jumper scenarios. It worked so well in Lethal Weapon. Mel Gibson jumps up, handcuffs the guy, and they fall safely together. Can we get Gibson doing these in real life? I mean, he can ask them first if their Jewish. And if they aren't, he can bring them down safely. If they are, he can push them. His call, really.

Two references to pushing a suicidal person. Is pushing a suicidal person funny?

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 7:42 p.m.

Thread posted on 19 October 2009

I just heard on CNN that a 20-year-old Virginia Tech student disappeared after attending a concert. Be on the look-out for a cute blonde in a Pantera T-shirt and black mini skirt, with knee high boots.

The photo of singer Thom Yorke, looks like a person on stage with Downs Syndrome.

Is a missing student funny? Is making fun of someone’s looks by saying it looks like they have Downs Syndrome funny?

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 7:43 p.m.

Thread posted 18 October 2009

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/daily-crasher/2009/oct/18/crazy-costumes--target-targeted-illegal-aliens-o/

I don’t think there would’ve been anything so offensive about it, although, one of the aliens came with a big Cheech Marin style mustache.

After complaints, Target pulled the costumes. Apparently they were upsetting to illegal aliens. And of course, that’s the last thing we’d want to do in this country – offend people that aren’t legally here.

Is stereotyping Hispanics’ appearance funny? The second paragraph is absolutely ridiculous. My understanding is two different groups complained about the costumes. I have no idea what their legal status is. Does Mr. Board? Is calling people “illegal aliens” funny?

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 7:44 p.m.

Thread posted 15 October 2009

It involved a boy who supposedly climbed into a helium filled, silver balloon. It became untethered, and the boy was soaring at 25 miles per hour…towards the Denver airport.

I was watching it live, laughing. It was better than one of those police chases all the stations cut to live.

Is it funny to think about a child’s life being endangered?

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 7:45 p.m.

Thread posted 10 October 2009

I tried thinking of a joke I could have in this blog. I thought about the Barbie beach house, and how the black Barbie had a harder time getting a home loan. I thought about the Barbie Corvette, and how she put spinners on it and a real car stereo.

Is stereotyping black people funny?

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antigeekess Oct. 28, 2009 @ 7:45 p.m.

refried opined: "...but I do think that Josh came in here to defend himself."

Obviously. Your point?

I think you need to look at his blogs from summer 2008 until early this year, and get an eyeful of his unprovoked comments toward me before you pass any judgment. Keep in mind while you do that that I was taking my time to do him the FAVOR of reading his crappy blog and commenting on it. If I didn't, I'd get a whiney email.

I can't really think of how it's possible to be more of a dick than to harrass someone into interacting with you online because you're so goshdarn "intelligent," and "so my editor will think I have more readers" and then repeatedly calling them an "idiot" in public, telling them they "can't use logic properly," etc. (all the while spouting the most idiotic tripe imaginable).

Is it possible to be more of a dick than that? Is it?

I think not.

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 7:53 p.m.

Thread posted 27 October 2009

And on a lot of the talk shows yesterday, I was hearing about this cop in Dallas that gave a woman a ticket for not speaking English.

On CNN, they said one officer gave 39 drivers tickets for this in a three year period.

I would have no problem with cops doing that, except for one small thing. There’s apparently no law against this.

There should be.

I can understand how frustrating it might be to pull someone over and ask “Do you know how fast you were going?” Only to hear a response of “No habla English.” Or mere silence.

Is demanding that it be illegal not to speak English funny? Is mocking the way white people stereotypically think Mexicans speak funny?

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 8:07 p.m.

Thread posted 8 October 2009

I wake up to see Paul Shaffer on The View. The first question they ask is about Letterman, and he mentions his dad being a lawyer and how he legally can’t comment on the situation. So, this group of dingbat women ask again. I suppose they think he’ll answer on the second attempt.

Then I open my email, and see a story someone has sent me about that 72-year-old woman that was tasered by the cops. At the time, I did a blog saying I was happy she got zapped. She was resisting arrest and refusing to provide the officer with information and ID. And she dared him to tase her.

Okay, maybe someone daring you to tase them doesn’t warrant it. Maybe if she double or triple-dared him. But the reason I didn’t fault the officer is because he probably didn’t have many other alternatives. Had he tackled and cuffed her, that would’ve been a PR nightmare as well.

So, what happens in this situation? This old bat gets a $40,000 settlement.

Is calling the women on The View, including pioneer journalist Barbara Walters, dingbat women, funny?

Is calling a woman who was unjustly tasered by a police officer an old bat funny?

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 8:11 p.m.

Thread posted 7 October 2009

She let the girl ride in a cardboard box on top of their van.

Now, I immediately thought about how as a kid, I would think nothing could be more fun. I remember seeing people towing trailers with jet skis behind them, and wondering what it would be like to sit on those as the vehicle was driving 65 down the I-5. But in a box? Isn't there a cartoon character that imagines that?

Well, the 37-year-old, mom-of-the-year, didn't do it for fun. She said the box was too big to fit in the van, and the daughter was inside to hold it down.

And how was the box secured on the van? With clothes hangers, of course.

The only thing that would've made the story better would've been had they not cleared a bridge.

Is it funny to say that it would have been better if a child had died?

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 8:19 p.m.

Thread posted 25 September 2009

I just find it hard to believe that a dad can rape his 19-year-old daughter, and the daughter decides....well, that wasn't so bad. I guess I can continue seeing the old man. I mean, he did write California Dreamin'.

Are incest jokes funny?

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 8:23 p.m.

I could go on providing examples, believe me. Mr. Board has a warped and twisted mind.

The Reader apparently thinks their readers want to read this sort of thing, and they may be correct. If that's the type of publication they want to be, then there's nothing more to say on the matter.

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Russ Lewis Oct. 28, 2009 @ 8:28 p.m.

(#69) Thus sayeth Antigeekess: "Yeah, I know you can. You wrote it on purpose, specifically to bait ME, and you and I both know it. You may be able to BS everybody else in cyberspace about that, but since you've done disparaging blogs about several different groups which you know I'm a member of -- and done it repeatedly -- it's not like I don't know what you're up to. Currently, it's AGAIN the supposedly inferior intelligence of adoptees, because you know I am one."

Am I the only person who thinks this sounds out-and-out paranoid?

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 8:33 p.m.

"Also weird that...(warning: offensive line to follow) women don't seem to know how to debate without getting crazy."

Demeaning women seems to be a popular sport around here. Or maybe that's just me being paranoid.

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David Dodd Oct. 28, 2009 @ 8:40 p.m.

"I can't really think of how it's possible to be more of a dick than to harrass someone into interacting with you online because you're so goshdarn "intelligent," and "so my editor will think I have more readers" and then repeatedly calling them an "idiot" in public, telling them they "can't use logic properly," etc. (all the while spouting the most idiotic tripe imaginable).

Is it possible to be more of a dick than that? Is it?"

Certainly. Those types eventually become nationally syndicated. Judging by how much he's managed to piss off the two of you, not to mention SD previously, he's well on his way. He may never reach Limbaugh status, but you wouldn't know that listening to the two of you!

Let's discuss what's going on here, without prejudice. (Reader admin, kindly look the other way for a moment.) Listen, it's okay to get pissed of at Josh Board. It's equally okay to get pissed off at Jay Allen Sanford, Barbarella, Naomi Wise, and so on. In fact, let's dissect the food critic. Bad ribs. Harsh treatment for ribs that are sub-par.

That one column probably got more attention than anything all year.

Barbarella wrote a piece that criticized militant vegetarians. Holy cow, did that do the trick! Josh does it in almost every column, and in all of his blog entries. Why? To be a dick?

No. $$$. Cah-ching. If it were anyone else except you, AG, and you, CuddleFish, I wouldn't bother pointing it out. But the both of you are smart and astute, and it surprises me that you're so pulled in to this. Josh is doing exactly and precisely what he is paid to do.

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Russ Lewis Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:02 p.m.

The Reader apparently thinks their readers want to read this sort of thing, and they may be correct.

By CuddleFish 8:23 p.m., Oct 28, 2009

===============================================

Well, Fish, you apparently can't get enough of it. You prove Gringo's point.

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:02 p.m.

87: Kindly stop telling me what I feel. I've had quite enough of that, thank you.

If you choose not to be offended by racism, sexism, insults against the elderly, the disabled, respected journalists, if you choose to think it is funny to wish children come to harm, that is certainly your prerogative. Go for it.

I bring this matter to the Reader's attention as contrary to their stated policy, that is extremely offensive. Further, there are two people here who claim to have been harassed by Mr. Board. As I said in my earlier post, if that's the way the Reader rolls, right on. No more to be said on the matter.

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rickeysays Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:07 p.m.

Josh if you ever want to put together a "greatest hits" I think Fish just did the work for you.

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antigeekess Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:14 p.m.

re refried: Duh. Tell me something I don't know. It's not as if I don't get his MOTIVATION, but he's no less a dick for it.

I was perfectly happy just ignoring the putz, despite the fact that I'm aware he continues to talk smack about me and try to bait me into participating in his crappy blog. Sure, I take a little swipe at him now and again, because he deserves it and it amuses me to do so. But, I think you grossly overestimate my level of pissed-offness, refried. Let me tell you a little story.

Once upon a time, there was a rather ugly little girl named Teresa. (Not kind, but true.) Teresa was a tremendous advocate of free speech. She decided to amuse herself by calling yours truly by a completely inaccurate racial epithet every chance she got. We were 8 or 9.

I put up with it. And put up with it. And put up with it some more. Then one day, I decided I was done putting up with it. When I next encountered this little Nellie Olson wannabe on the sidewalk, I very calmly asked her if she wouldn't like to step over onto the grass. She declined. I said, "Okay," and popped her one right in the snoot. Actually, I knocked her right on her a$$.

This is what happens. :)

Sometimes, a bully absolutely 'requires' a good pop in the snoot. There's not really a lot of emotion involved.

Kinda like an old story about a Samurai that Joseph Campbell used to tell. He set off on his little journey to avenge the death of his master by offing the offer. Just as he's about to take said perp out, the perp spits in his face. Our samurai sheaths his sword, and walks away.

Why? Because at that moment, he was angry. He lacked the proper detachment. If he had killed said a-hole out of anger, it would have been a personal act, and he would have dishonored the memory of his master by failing to complete his mission.

Scared yet? :)

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David Dodd Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:18 p.m.

89: I wouldn't presume to know how you feel, I'm telling you how you come off. You think that your opinion is all that matters, and the Reader should change things to suit your mood. It sounds like this:

"Reader, don't you see how horrible Josh Board is? Can I post a thousand messages to you about it and then will you fire him? Because, you know, I am so damned important and no one else is."

The Reader is a business, it isn't your personal playground. The fact that you don't at all understand how it works frightens me, it isn't all that much more complicated than making a sandwich.

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CuddleFish Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:27 p.m.

You never get tired of calling me stupid, refriedgringo.

I hope it's worth it to you. :)

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Russ Lewis Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:29 p.m.

I bring this matter to the Reader's attention as contrary to their stated policy, that is extremely offensive. Further, there are two people here who claim to have been harassed by Mr. Board. As I said in my earlier post, if that's the way the Reader rolls, right on. No more to be said on the matter.

By CuddleFish 9:02 p.m., Oct 28, 2009

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Fish, I don't know if you claim to be one of those two people, but if so, did you ever present your evidence (personal e-mail?) to the Reader management? Has anyone? If not, don't be surprised if nothing happens. I seriously doubt that the editor has the time to read every word on every page of this website.

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David Dodd Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:35 p.m.

AG, a bully does it for fun. Josh gets paid. It's like all of the people who cry and moan about people like Limbaugh and Beck and so on, I really don't understand why, if they are so moved by the idiotic ramblings, they would invest in caring. CF says Josh sent private messages. Well, why read them if they offend? Hell, Mindy sends me messages, and I either ignore them or just print them out in here, for the LULZ.

Point is - and I've written this months ago - Josh's job is to piss half of the people off and to make the other half laugh. Apparently, he's pretty successful.

I remember the crasher column before Josh, and I think it was Sanford that pointed this out, it really was pretty stale. I'm not going to agree with everything that Josh says, but I will admit that at least it's more entertaining than the previous writer of that column. And hell, go nuts over some of Board's opinions! I just wanted to reiterate that it's part of the schtick, and I know you realize this, but holy cow. There are pirates off of the coast of Somalia and people are worried about Josh Board? ;)

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PistolPete Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:40 p.m.

Mental note-Don't click on any links before posting your thoughts

Josh-I'm not even going to debate you on the points you made. They're so utterly ridiculous,it's funny. All I'm going to say on kids in America today is this:F the spoiled pieces of s. I'm an adult without children. Therefore,whatever I do in life to offend them or their obnoxious,self-centered parents is too f***in' bad. They'll survive.

AG-" And how stupid is this coming from a guy who just recently lost his "Man Card" for toting around a poodle he tries to pass off as a Maltese, taking it to all kinds of inappropriate places like restaurants, annoying people with it, and blogging about it incessantly?" I literally LOL'd at this. You are dead on right about this. As much as I like Josh,if we met at bar to have a beer and he brought his cat,I'd be tempted to punt it down the block like Kate Naeding at a Chargeless game. Of all the dogs killed this year by police bullets in The Whale's Vagina,how come none of them were half-dogs? There I go answering my own question again-it's because cops are pussies and get scurred at the sight of a big,bad pitbull.

CuddleFish-As someone who doesn't find suicide the least bit funny,even I thought to myself"Where's that guy in China when you need him?"

"Is a missing student funny? Is making fun of someone’s looks by saying it looks like they have Downs Syndrome funny?" Yes and yes.

"Is stereotyping Hispanics’ appearance funny? The second paragraph is absolutely ridiculous. My understanding is two different groups complained about the costumes. I have no idea what their legal status is. Does Mr. Board? Is calling people “illegal aliens” funny?" He did not stereotype Hispanics. The whole point of the costume and the reason it was so popular is because AMERICANS ARE SICK AND TIRED OF ILLEGAL ALIENS CROSSING THE BORDER AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OUR COUNTRY,PROTESTING IT WHEN THEY CAN'T GET THEIR OWN WAY AND PROTESTING WHEN YOU CALL THEM WHAT THEY ARE-ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How hard is that to understand oh wise teacher's aide and super parent of the year?

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PistolPete Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:41 p.m.

"Is it funny to think about a child’s life being endangered?" Spare us the fake concern CuddleFish. I too watched it and laughed. If the kid was ok,cool. If the kid died in the puruit of breaking news,oh f***in' well. People,including children,die everyday. It's a part of life. Get over it AND yourself.

"Is stereotyping black people funny?" When they act like ghetto trash,it IS funny.

"Is demanding that it be illegal not to speak English funny? Is mocking the way white people stereotypically think Mexicans speak funny?" No and yes.

"Is calling the women on The View, including pioneer journalist Barbara Walters, dingbat women, funny?

Is calling a woman who was unjustly tasered by a police officer an old bat funny?" The View sucks goat c*** and that old bat didn't deserve a dime.

"Is it funny to say that it would have been better if a child had died?" HELL YEAH!!! It's time to clean the genepool!

"Are incest jokes funny?" Not only is everything in life funny,you have to ask yourself if the alleged acts of incest even happened in the first place. You're a drama queen,CuddleFish. I believe it was you that said that you just LOVED the Anna Nicole Smith dramedy. When she died,I was riding a bus through Hillcrest. Somebody was talking and crying about it on the phone. I laughed my ass off.

Russl-No you're not.

"Demeaning women seems to be a popular sport around here. Or maybe that's just me being paranoid." Too bad there's no glass ceiling here in cyberspace.

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David Dodd Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:42 p.m.

You know, Cuddlefish, you were the one that decided I wasn't worthy of your admiration because I might just have some cough opinions that you might not share. If opposing opinions shape the counter-landscape of your world, then your world is truly barren.

As for stupid, Forrest Gump said it best. You, on the other hand, continue to put words in my mouth.

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antigeekess Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:46 p.m.

re refried reprise:

Yeah, I don't think motivation is a mitigating factor here. I don't watch/listen to Limbaugh, don't know who that other guy is, and don't read Board any more. Couldn't give a crap what his opinions are. It's disgusting that the Reader allows him to continue with his offensive, ignorant diatribes, but whatever.

Regarding the dumbass pirates off the coast of Somalia, did you hear they accidentally tried to capture a French navy vessel a few months back?

http://features.csmonitor.com/globalnews/2009/05/03/somali-pirates-nabbed-trying-to-attack-french-navy-by-accident/

Gotta love it.

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David Dodd Oct. 28, 2009 @ 9:55 p.m.

AG:

Yeah, I read that. I wonder at what point they got close enough to the French vessel, where they said, "Oops"! I also read recently (today, perhaps), that some Somali pirates have captured a yacht with an elderly couple on board. Ransom request forthcomming, apparently.

Part of me finds this sort of thing entertaining, and another part of me would love to see the U.S. Navy blow all of these bastards right out of the water.

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antigeekess Oct. 28, 2009 @ 10:03 p.m.

Yo-Ho-Ho. Here it is:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/27/pirates-seize-turnbridge-wells-couple

"...another part of me would love to see the U.S. Navy blow all of these bastards right out of the water."

I don't care whose navy does it.

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Adam92102 Oct. 28, 2009 @ 10:16 p.m.

Alright, Pete. Now you pissed me off. Kate Naeding? I'm not a Chargers fan but Kaeding went to U. of Iowa and, well, those are my 8-year stomping grounds (just an hour or two west, though). His pro career may not be as sound as his college one but he's still the man. Dammit.

By the way, you didn't really piss me off. And I'm saying this because sarcasm never comes through in these things (though I am truly a fan of all Hawkeyes in the NFL).

As for the rest of this convo, well, you all sound like my family. Kinda makes me feel like I'm back home in Maryland- everyone tries to make their point but no one else cares to think about any point other than their own. At first it was frustrating, then it got tiring, now it's kinda humorous. I think all of you are not listening or thinking, only reacting. And all the while, Josh is still the one coming out on top because it only makes people visit his blogs even more. This entire thread just plays into his hands. I'm not saying people are wrong or right in this whole thing but as a "newbie" and outsider looking in, it's kind of ridiculous and funny in a stupid way that this has gone this far.

Throwing stones only makes one tired. Choose your battles wisely or else you only expend energy that could be used elsewhere for more positive things. There are always going to be dicks in the world, whether that world is the Reader or not.

Ok, I'm done. Back to my rosy world of drunk idiots and cat blogs. If you all want to continue bickering, by all means don't let me stop you. Even if ridiculous, I have to admit I'm masochistically (if that's a word... and if not, it should be) enjoying reading this.

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antigeekess Oct. 28, 2009 @ 10:22 p.m.

"Josh is still the one coming out on top because it only makes people visit his blogs even more."

This one doesn't. But, like I said, he's lucky that people are easily replaceable, for his purposes.

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PistolPete Oct. 28, 2009 @ 10:30 p.m.

LMAO Adam. I knew you were being sarcastic. I was going to say"If you're only pissed about the Kate Naeding joke,then you got off lucky". :-D

As for the retards that got kidnapped in waters obviously full of pirates,refried's right-Forrest Gump said it best.

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Josh Board Oct. 29, 2009 @ 1:10 a.m.

Geek: Wow, you nailed me good. I can't spell "dictionary". Heck, that's why I've never owned one. I don't know how to spell it, and can never find them in the book stores. I'm usually looking in the wrong letter.

Also got me on the dog. I'm trying to pass it off as a Maltese. But everyone that sees it claims it's a St. Bernard. But golly, I'm gonna keep trying. It just sounds so much cooler having a Maltese.

You say I try to bait you. But long ago, you said you stopped reading my blogs. So baiting you would be pointless, no? You wouldn't see it. And really, don't flatter yourself. I talk about whatever topic, news story, song, movie...floats my boat at that moment.

Speaking of emails about cats and dogs, well...let's talk about the time I helped you move. You spent 2 hours looking for your cat, as you left the door open. And I loaded the truck with boxes. And you wonder why I make fun of women and their cats? (cue Amy Poehler voice: Really?)

And yes, SDaniels has 10 times, heck 20 times, the vocabulary I have. She rarely wins debates with me, though. Especially when she comes into them with logic like "most cops go around abusing people." My definition of "most" means "over 51%". And if she believes that, doesn't matter how intelligent she may be when it comes to books, words, math, or whatever. She's just an...oh wait...don't want to offend. I'll switch that to: She's just naive.

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David Dodd Oct. 29, 2009 @ 1:28 a.m.

"..let's talk about the time I helped you move..."

Oh, my. Didn't expect that one.

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Josh Board Oct. 29, 2009 @ 1:39 a.m.

To continue (again with apologies to Jay Sanford, who has only ticked off the drummer of The Shambles once, a bassist in the Beat Farmers, and Arthur Lee of Love, even more times than I had!)

Cuddle, regarding Hispanics appearance being funny. Nowhere did I say that. It was a story about costumes, and I said the one with the huge mustache looked like Cheech Marin. It did! You ask if calling people "illegal aliens" is funny. Well, I don't think I've ever even used that phrase before. But, the costumes at Target were called "Illegal Aliens". Therefore, it would've been hard not to use the term. Just as if I blog about Jason Campbell being a horrible QB for the Redskins...well, it might offend some Indians (or family members of Jason). But that's what the team is called at the moment.

--Regarding Black Barbie. Yes, that was a bad stereotype I made, regarding the Corvette having spinners. But this stems from an evening I spent with black comedian David Alan Grier, one of the funniest men on the planet. He was telling me and others, about buying a Cadillac Escalade, and how blacks all bug him for not having "cool rims" on it. He then went on and on about how blacks all have spinners on their tires and how they think it's cool. I probably should've cited that source at the time, to deflect that negativity to him!

--Regarding it being illegal to speak English. Well my dear, you got that completely wrong. Are you that dense that you can't even get the point of my blogs? No wonder you're offended daily. I said it should be ILLEGAL TO DRIVE IF YOU CANNOT SPEAK ENGLISH. And I gave reasons why (not reading street signs, or understanding what emergency vehicles...cops, ambulances, firetrucks, might be shouting thru a loud speaker).

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Josh Board Oct. 29, 2009 @ 1:46 a.m.

You thought I was done! Ha! Not by a long shot (I always wanted to say that...from the time I heard Clint Eastwood say it in some cheesy 70s flick). But really, I almost am.

continuing with Cuddle:

Regarding the women on The View. As offensive as it may be, I stand by that statement. Those women are complete dingbats. I used to think Whoopi was a brilliant comedian. With a brilliant mind. I've seen enough of her now to know that's not the case. Even Baba Wawa. She's absolutely, without a doubt, a moron. She gets mad when people interrupt her. Hey...you got 4 other women on the show! Have your own show like Joy if you don't like interruptions!

--Regarding old lady tased. I stand by that, too. I just don't like an officer doing it because he is "dared to." But she was being rude, yelling, and not providing info an officer needs during a traffic stop. What would you suggest we do to people that do this (regardless of age). Keep asking them politely, while they curse, spit, scream and yell? Do we tackle them and cuff them? Do we billy club them? Or, do we warn them that they'll be tased. And if they continue, tase them. Oh...almost forgot. Then give them money so they don't sue. Yes, I'll make fun of that situation until the day I die.

--Regarding the box on top of the van. You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. That would be horrible if the kid in the box, hit an overhead bridge like I said. I apologize for that. Had it happened, I would've been horrified by the prospect of it. But in light of it not happening, I thought it was an easy joke. I realize now, it wasn't. To say that, sounds like I wished harm to that child, which I didn't. I'm just trying to type a blog on a news story, and the possibilities of what could've happened were so horrible...although, with balloon boy...if the child had been in it, well, it's a crazy father/family, that would've been the ones creating the device and not monitoring a young child, enabling him to get inside the balloon. Heck, they even named the kid Falcon. So, had he fallen out of the balloon like a falcon flying thru the air, I would've been absolutely mortified. But, since they merely wasted my afternoon watching a bogus thing they rigged up for a reality show, I feel I at least owe it to myself, to make fun of them in any way I see fit.

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PistolPete Oct. 29, 2009 @ 1:57 a.m.

F***in' awesome Josh. Feels great to rant and rave,doesn't it?

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Russ Lewis Oct. 29, 2009 @ 2:16 a.m.

(#110) Josh, you're indisputably right to pick up your dogs, or your dog's dogs, but cats are a whole 'nother animal. They clean up their own mess, so I don't think it's an issue. Say what you want about cats, but they do clean up their own crap.

As for bringing Cotton or Benji or Bowser or whoever to the restaurant, I couldn't say for sure about patios, but dogs are most definitely prohibited from restaurant dining areas -- indoor areas for sure, and probably outdoors as well. The exception is for service dogs, although even they have rules they have to comply with -- e.g., their heads can't come above the height of the table.

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Josh Board Oct. 29, 2009 @ 1:33 a.m.

Adam, Russl, Refried: Contrary to popular belief, I hate even being mentioned in the same sentence as Limbaugh or those guys. I hate people like Howard Stern that really does try to tick people off, just so he gets ratings. I think that's disgusting.

I'm just stating my opinions. And, I'm all for debating them. In Pete fashion, I'll respond to each of Cuddlefishes points (does she sound like someone anyone would want to "cuddle" with?)

--Regarding incest. You still haven't answered the question, probably because you know you're wrong. You said it's common. How common? I say 1% or less (among consenting adults). And yes, there is something funny, when it involves to adults that "supposedly" did this NOT AGAINST their own wills.

--Regarding suicidal people. Not, it isn't funny. I feel they either do it for attention, or have mental problems. Nothing funny about either of those things. But much as we laughed when Mel Gibson pushed one off with him in Lethal Weapon, I'm just trying to bring levity to a situation that turned out fine. Nobody died, but many thousands were held up for 9 hours. I was also making fun of police procedures, which don't seem to talk them down in a timely fashion.

--Regarding student missing. No, nothing funny. I was just wondering how that happens. And why it happens at a Metallica concert, and not at Yo Yo Ma. It reminded me of a previous blog about the kind of music you listen to showing your intelligence.

--Regarding Downs Syndrome. Nope. I don't make fun of disabilities. In fact, because of a guy I met at a party (I wrote about him for Crasher, to appear in a few weeks), I'm now going to volunteer as a basketball coach for the Special Olympics. My point with that picture was, Radiohead was listed as a "smart" group. Yet the singer looked, well...weird.

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Josh Board Oct. 29, 2009 @ 3:12 a.m.

I'm going to bed. But Pete, the only rant and rave I want, is my Stray Cats CD (Rant n Rave with the Stray Cats). I don't like doing it. And, it would be cathardic, I guess. If I thought I got thru to people that get so easily offended.

russl...most restaurants surprisingly, don't have a problem, with dogs on their outdoor patio. We often eat at Wine Steals in Point Loma, with dog in tow. Pat & Oscars we're always at, eating outside. And a few other places that aren't coming to mind, as it's 3 a.m. We always ask first, and they say it's cool.

Our dog never barks, so other customers never mind.

Regarding cats, yes..they bury their business. Great. But really, does Lillian, with her rose bushes, have to go out and deal with buried cat poo in her garden? Because neighbors decide to get a pet that they let roam the streets at night? And probably having mad, kitten sex right outside her window. Which not only keeps her awake, but reminds her of a day in '57, with her late husband, in the back of a Chevy at the drive-in....

Oh. At this point, I'll do my new thing. I'll end with my apology. NO OFFENSE TO: those with cats, those that sit at restaurants near me and Cotton, no offense to Lillian, or any old people, or owners with Chevy's (of any year).

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Russ Lewis Oct. 29, 2009 @ 4:03 a.m.

(#113) "Does Lillian, with her rose bushes, have to go out and deal with buried cat poo in her garden?" It's buried, so I don't think it's an issue.

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Josh Board Oct. 29, 2009 @ 1:57 a.m.

Geek: great story about punching someone in the nose. Although, I think resorting to violence is never a good thing. You obviously, disagree.

I'm glad when we met for lunch when you were in town (my treat, as always)...that I didn't punch out the waiter at 'Canes who told me on the phone it was okay to have a dog on their patio, but when I got there with my St. Bernard, or Maltese, whatever breed it is the shelter gave me...he said I couldn't have it there. Instead, I scolded him loudly, moved my car into the shade and rolled down the windows. And made sure we ate quickly, so I could retrieve him and walk him.

Oh, when he pooped, I recall you asking me why I was picking it up, since it was underneath a bush off the boardwalk and nobody would notice. Sorry. I don't roll that way. Maybe I'm a d. NO, scratch that, I'm a big d. But I don't leave my messes for others to clean up. I'm sure your cats do that to the neighbors yards up north where your ate. Most cat owners are like that.

Peace.

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Russ Lewis Oct. 29, 2009 @ 4:33 a.m.

Plus, if I may add, my parents have cultivated roses for decades and had cats too, and they've complained about rust, aphids, and mildew, but they've never complained about kitty crap.

The defense rests.

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CuddleFish Oct. 29, 2009 @ 10:04 a.m.

Want to take a step back, and thank the Reader for providing a forum where so many viewpoints can be aired and shared. We have two new bloggers, ronaldpoe and cre0, excellent and amazing writers, they are sharing their experiences as individuals who were and are homeless, living in the streets of San Diego.

In that context, against their authentic and genuinely unique and interesting voices, the words of one idiot and fraud whom no one on this thread appears to respect or support much, mean exactly what they should mean: Nothing but money for the Reader.

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PistolPete Oct. 29, 2009 @ 11:25 a.m.

$$$ makes the world go 'round,Cuddles. Quit living a sheltered existence and you'll find this out.

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CuddleFish Oct. 29, 2009 @ 12:28 p.m.

Mr. Board, I realize you may find it amusing to call Antigeekess Geek, and I am sure she finds your childishness amusing; we all do. You may or may not be attempting to ridicule the fact that she is clearly more intelligent than you could ever hope to be, but that is not the point in any case. Her avatar is not Geek, it is Antigeekess. The opposite meaning of your new choice of name and therefore incorrect. If you are too lazy to write out Antigeekess, you can surely type two initials: AG. Just trying to help you not appear as ignorant as your writing indicates you actually are.

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CuddleFish Oct. 29, 2009 @ 12:54 p.m.

Thread posted 29 October 2009:

Even former football players are getting into the act. Bob Griese, the former Dolphin QB, was working a race. Not sure why, but he was.

People were looking for a driver. I believe someone from Spain. He has a Latino sounding last name, and Griese thought it would be funny to say "He's probably out eating a taco."

Not funny. Just as it wasn't funny when that idiot golfer (I forget who), made comments about what Tiger Woods would pick for dinner the following year.

I'd also like to point out that, if there's ever a person in the NFL that sounds like he'd be eating tacos, it would be Mark Sanchez. And it was a hot dog he was eating on the sidelines.

Griese saying someone was out eating a taco isn't funny, and that golfer who made racist comments about what Tiger Woods would pick for dinner is an idiot. So what does that make Mr. Board saying someone with a name like Mark Sanchez sounds like he'd be eating a taco? An unfunny racist idiot employed by the Reader?

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PistolPete Oct. 29, 2009 @ 1:58 p.m.

RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have a RACIST!!!!!!!!!!! QUICK! Get me some rope so I can hang the poor bastard! LMAO!

Keep on ignorin' me,CuddleFish. Two can play this game and I can play it better! :-D

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Russ Lewis Oct. 29, 2009 @ 2:52 p.m.

Mr. Board, I realize you may find it amusing to call Antigeekess Geek, and I am sure she finds your childishness amusing; we all do. You may or may not be attempting to ridicule the fact that she is clearly more intelligent than you could ever hope to be, but that is not the point in any case. Her avatar is not Geek, it is Antigeekess. The opposite meaning of your new choice of name and therefore incorrect. If you are too lazy to write out Antigeekess, you can surely type two initials: AG. Just trying to help you not appear as ignorant as your writing indicates you actually are.

By CuddleFish 12:28 p.m., Oct 29, 2009

Oh, for f***'s sake, Fish. Talk about making a fuss over nothing. He shortens her name to something more usable and you make an issue of it.

And by the way, her "avatar" is not "Antigeekess," her screen name/handle/nom de screen is "Antigeekess." And the entry at the top of this page is an entry or post; the thread is the string of comments that follows. Or maybe I'm the only person on the web who uses those terms that way.

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CuddleFish Oct. 29, 2009 @ 3:01 p.m.

Wow, russl, why are you making a fuss over nothing? :)

Yes, I know the difference, it is just that most people on this forum refers to the screenname/handle/non de screen as an "avatar," just as most people here refer to entries/posts/threads as "blogs," and when in Rome I sometimes go with the flow. :)

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Russ Lewis Oct. 29, 2009 @ 7:33 p.m.

Thanks, Pete. Glad we got that straightened out.

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PistolPete Oct. 29, 2009 @ 8:29 p.m.

Hey! No problemo! That's what I'm here for. :-D

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antigeekess Oct. 29, 2009 @ 9:29 p.m.

Like a bad penny, Board turned up yet again. Some excerpts:

"You say I try to bait you. But long ago, you said you stopped reading my blogs. So baiting you would be pointless, no? You wouldn't see it. And really, don't flatter yourself. I talk about whatever topic, news story, song, movie...floats my boat at that moment."

You've mentioned my handle (usually as "anti") several times after my departure, both in the blog and in the comments. Usually, someone else has to point it out to me. Sometimes, I catch it on the latest comments page. Anybody who's interested can search that, and find out that you mention me when I'm not even participating. And as for flattering myself, you know perfectly well that you've deliberately and REPEATEDLY mentioned categories of people to which I personally belong.

"Speaking of emails about cats and dogs, well...let's talk about the time I helped you move. You spent 2 hours looking for your cat, as you left the door open. And I loaded the truck with boxes. And you wonder why I make fun of women and their cats? (cue Amy Poehler voice: Really?)"

The cat disappeared early on, as multiple people were around, carrying away furniture and the like. It was pretty disorganized, and she slipped out. Right on Mission Blvd, where a cat that had gotten out a couple weeks previously had gotten run over within 15 minutes. I was pretty upset, and feared that if I saw her again, it would be dead in the street.

I spent maybe 20 minutes running around looking for her, my only "child." You were a COMPLETE DICK ABOUT IT, and totally insensitive. No empathy whatsoever, which is par for the course. (See my diagnosis of your obvious personality disorder.) Yes, we 'were' friends and you helped me move. You also somehow managed to be a jerk while doing it.

It went a long way with me that you did help me with that, however. That's why I put up with your crap for so long. I also understood that you'd never had a pet, and still think that's PART of what's wrong with you. (Also explains why you're so overboard now about your very first one, and don't have any boundaries where it's concerned.)

"And yes, SDaniels has 10 times, heck 20 times, the vocabulary I have. She rarely wins debates with me, though."

She wins every time. You're just too big an idiot to recognize it.

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antigeekess Oct. 29, 2009 @ 9:54 p.m.

Board continued to blather:

"I'm glad when we met for lunch when you were in town (my treat, as always)..."

Okaayyyy...Obviously you don't remember that when I had that gig reviewing bars restaurants, you & I chowed down multiple times on my dime (reimbursed by my company), but whatever...

"...that I didn't punch out the waiter at 'Canes who told me on the phone it was okay to have a dog on their patio..."

Uhhhh, Excuse Me? You not only think and write like a cranky old man, you're apparently senile as well. You were supposedly unable to raise Canes on the phone. According to YOU, you let their phone ring off the hook, and they didn't answer. YOU complained about this to the waiter. That was your excuse for bringing the pooch -- because you said you didn't know if it would be okay or not. (And since it was a freakin' RESTAURANT, of course it wasn't.)

"...Instead, I scolded him loudly, moved my car into the shade and rolled down the windows. And made sure we ate quickly, so I could retrieve him and walk him."

Um, who or what did you scold? There was no reason to scold the dog, as it was the dog owner who was the dummy. You certainly didn't "scold" the waiter, who was most cordial and apologetic about having to ask you to remove the dog. You 'did' complain to him about the fact (if it really 'was' a fact) that nobody answered the phone (if you really did call them at all. I'm thinking now that maybe you didn't). Come to think of it, I don't think your car was in the shade, either. 'I' was concerned about the dog in the car, and made comments to that effect. As for making sure we ate quickly, I don't really recall you attempting anything like that, either. In fact, I'm pretty sure I remember you saying just the opposite, and telling me to take my time. I was more concerned about the dog than you were!

Jesus. Do you EVER tell the truth about ANYTHING?

To continue wasting several minutes of life with this excruciating, inconsequential minutiae:

"Oh, when he pooped, I recall you asking me why I was picking it up, since it was underneath a bush off the boardwalk and nobody would notice. Sorry. I don't roll that way. Maybe I'm a d. NO, scratch that, I'm a big d. But I don't leave my messes for others to clean up."

WTF? I remember asking if you had a bag to pick it up with, and being glad that you did. I also remember you talking about sometimes having only one bag, and the dog pooping twice.

"I'm sure your cats do that to the neighbors yards up north where your ate. Most cat owners are like that."

My cat is, of course, an exclusively indoor cat. But then, you knew that already. How appropriate that this exchange has ended with a conversation about that which you are so completely full of...

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antigeekess Oct. 29, 2009 @ 9:54 p.m.

which I notice is also being pointed out by SEVERAL people at once, right over HERE:

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/oct/14/crasher-friends-are-jewels/#c41351

Wow. Your little problems with getting your facts straight, telling the truth, and harassing people are just popping up all over this site, aren't they?

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CuddleFish Oct. 29, 2009 @ 10:10 p.m.

Josh Board not get his facts straight??? Not tell the truth??? Harass people???

I'm shocked!!! Shocked, I say!!!

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antigeekess Oct. 29, 2009 @ 10:17 p.m.

LOL. You love that drama kitty, don't you, Cuddle?

It IS the best one on YouTube.

:)

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CuddleFish Oct. 29, 2009 @ 10:19 p.m.

I don't know how I lived without that cat, AG! :)

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PistolPete Oct. 29, 2009 @ 10:23 p.m.

If you two think Josh is bad,I'd like to introduce you to one of the coolest guys on the interwebs today. Say hello to sXephil... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eLuJ2... *CuddleFish might want to try to sue this guy for the horrifying things he says in the future

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antigeekess Oct. 29, 2009 @ 10:42 p.m.

I'm familiar with Phil, Pete. From what I've seen, I thought he was kinda boring. So was that collaborative effort called "The Station."

Shane Dawson's part of that project, though, and I love HIM.

:)

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PistolPete Oct. 29, 2009 @ 11:48 p.m.

Yeah. He can be pretty boring but I like how he says what most intelligent people are thinking. CuddleFish would think he's racist but I just see him as telling it like it is without really putting his personal opinion into it.

Shane Dawson is pretty cool as well. I would subscribe to him as well but I have too many subs to keep up with as it is.

I'm not sure what to make of The Station. It's either jackpot or HUGE fail. Lisa Nova's pretty funny and Shay Tard is well...a Shay Tard...lol.

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Jay Allen Sanford Jan. 31, 2011 @ 9:26 p.m.

Wow, it's hard to imagine how tough that must've been - I can see how remembering the image would still be troubling all these years later. My sympathies go out to you and your loved ones --

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