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Compared with Orange and L.A., San Diego Underspends on Firefighting
you guys are good blame shifiting....i am not an expert nor do i account to be... all i ask is that this group of critical thinkers "be percise, accountable, and factual with proof and documentation to support your comments... my statements have not changed or have i offered misleading statement or suggestions.. i have just asked this groups of thinkers not to spoon feed propoganda or try to solve problems you are not qualified to except in the land of make believe....— September 3, 2010 2:33 p.m.
Compared with Orange and L.A., San Diego Underspends on Firefighting
puppy... just because you wrote it, does not make it true... where are your facts....not just an isolated incident ...documentation of pay raises ..... again a lot of hot air in a bag....be percise, accountable, and factual with proof and documentation to support your comments...otherwise you appear to be a big blow hard with an axe to grind with no substance....2nd challenge thrown you way!!!— September 3, 2010 12:25 p.m.
Compared with Orange and L.A., San Diego Underspends on Firefighting
some local agencies already have efforts like this in place, more community involvment is needed... when the 911 system was placed into service call loads have increased exponentialy and police and fire units are sent across the city handling major emergency to non-emergency incidents...high call loads create increased onscene times, less time for training, and maintence of equipment ...ask any firefighter police officer to share stories of 911 abuse they have wittnessed.... commuinty involement and awarness will payoff tenfold during natural disasters and emergencies that stretch the limits of the public servants....most emergency services are currently working with less personel and required to do more....thank you for the insight and progressive thinking....the community and public service agencies need more of individulas like yourself... more should follow your lead and create real solutions not just complaining...— September 3, 2010 10:12 a.m.
Compared with Orange and L.A., San Diego Underspends on Firefighting
Last i checked there was no leverage applied when these contracts were negotiated and signed ( police and fire can not strike or walk out )....pensions in charter city's were approved by voters.... it's time to lay blame where it belongs... waste and mismanagement from all federal, state and local agencies, free handouts, not the contracts of firefighters and police officers police and fire have taken pay cuts and increased their share of employee contributions across the state in the recent budget crisisis, so again please check your facts before you spoon feed propaganda to the many who have rellied on your misinformation and obscured 1/2 truths...fair pay and benefits for a stressfull and dangerous days work.....if you can do it, quit complaining and suit up!!!! or were you washed out or do not have the wherewithal to do a dangerous / challengings and demanding job... here's a challenge to Don Bauder and surf puppy be accurate and responsible when posting salaries and benefits, place a copy of a m.o.u. in your blog for which agency you are speaking of...no more misleading statements... be factual acurate and authentic from that you will gain respect of all readers...it"s time to stop the hype be responsible.... ...a fair wage for the duties and responsibilities that are required, nothing more...— September 3, 2010 8:38 a.m.
Compared with Orange and L.A., San Diego Underspends on Firefighting
Last i checked there was no leverage applied when these contracts were negotiated and signed ( police and fire can not strike or walk out )....pensions in charter city's were approved by voters.... it's time to lay blame where it belongs... waste and mismanagement from all state federal, state and local agencies, free handouts, not the contracts of firefighters and police officers police and fire have taken pay cuts and increased their share of employee contributions across the state in the recent budget crisisis, so again please check your facts before you spoon feed propaganda to the many who have rellied on your misinformation and obscured 1/2 truths...fair pay and benefits for a stressfull and dangerous days work.....if you can do it, quit complaining and suit up!!!! or were you washed out or do not have the wherewithal to do a dangerous / challengings and demanding job... here's a challenge to Don Bauder and surf puppy be accurate and responsible when posting salaries and benefits, place a copy of a m.o.u. in your blog for which agency you are speaking of...no more misleading statements... be factual acurate and authentic from that you will gain respect of all readers...it"s time to stop the hype be responsible.... ...a fair wage for the duties and responsibilities that are required, nothing more...— September 3, 2010 8:20 a.m.
Compared with Orange and L.A., San Diego Underspends on Firefighting
to duel with the puppy on a fourm like this is difficult....the puppy is hell bent of 1/2 truths and lack of information...entry level to fully paid firefighters and police officers salaries are not near 100k...not even close on a state avg...( case in point sdfd and sdpd ) ...as you move up the ladder pay increases. loke in any profession ....last i have seen, when the cops and fireman are running in the rest are running out....on the easy days you can find minimum wage employees to show up...well on the other days, you have never received such a bargain....i throw a out to challenge to you puppy... suit up.....find a volunteer fd or community work with the police...get out of the stands and man-up...it's easy taking shots from the bleacher....so crawl back into your safe, cozy and comfy world and just say thank you to all the public servants that let it all hang out to protect you and your family 24/7....just a thank you would be in order..... if you think its such a great deal....they offer a test every year, or did you wash out some time ago....?— September 2, 2010 10:02 p.m.
Compared with Orange and L.A., San Diego Underspends on Firefighting
semi skilled labor....who do you think runs every major incident accross the united states, fire, floods, police incidents, etc...its from ICS (INCIDENT COMMAND SYSTEM) which was developed by a semi-skilled, manual labor, GED educated firefighter... that system is used accross the united states.... i do not know to many entry level cops or firefighters earning 200K... last i checked entry positions are around 40k 75k depending on the area...please do not be a fear or hate monger...be acurate in your postings...or produce a job postiong for 200k in pay and benefits...dont be a hater.....— September 2, 2010 2:50 p.m.
Compared with Orange and L.A., San Diego Underspends on Firefighting
now why during these tough economic times are members of the community attacking police and fire pay and pension....during robust economic times never a word is said about pay or benefits....everyone wants the best, firefighter and police as it is a difficult, demanding, and stressfull occupation...no take into account the high rate of temporary disability (from bumps and bruises that they work through to burns, cancer, mrsa, broken bones, torn ligaments etc....and wear and tear on the body that most of the jobs or occupations do not encounter...and then the ultimate giving your life for the community.... so go ahead and pay minimum wage and cut pensions and benefits.....and remeber the next time your standing in line at the fast food joint or at the carnival and disapointed with your level of service, that is the same level of service you will receive from the person you want to pay minimum wage to save and protect you, your faimly or valuables.....wake up people you have no idea what you receive from these highly skill and trained individulas...you are getting the bargain of your lives...think of that when your house is on fire, or you need the police.....— September 2, 2010 12:07 p.m.
Compared with Orange and L.A., San Diego Underspends on Firefighting
see below...— September 2, 2010 12:01 p.m.