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The sexual harassment suit against Mayor Bob Filner filed today (July 22) by Irene McCormack Jackson raises many questions. First, the suit outlines extremely offensive statements allegedly made to her by the mayor in January, February, February/early March, April, late April/early May, and June. But there is no mention that I could find indicating that she officially complained until July 18, when she filed charges with the state about harassment having taken place on or before June 20, 2013. She would have had sexual harassment training at the Union-Tribune, probably at the Port, and maybe even at the City. It seems to me she had to know that she could come forward and file an official complaint about sexual harassment without fear of being fired. The "severe mental anguish and emotional distress" she allegedly suffered might have been abated had she complained or resigned earlier. She apparently saw inappropriate behavior against other women. She was a senior official. Did she do anything to protect those women? Much is being made that she took a $50,000 pay cut to join the mayor's staff. But that cut was from $175,000 to $125,000. She was not starving and did not desperately need a job.

Filner's carefully worded response to her lawsuit suggests that his defense will be that he was teasing. His statement seems to have been written by a lawyer: "I do not believe these claims are valid," he says, when it would have been more like Bob Filner to say, "These claims are not valid." He also makes a questionable statement: "My dreams and plans for moving this City to new heights are continuing." But by appointing the arch-conservative Walt Ekard as chief operating officer, and giving him authority over such functions as approving contracts and making hiring decisions, and enthusiastically endorsing the fatuous convention center expansion, Filner has already moved the City backward -- into the hands of the downtown corporate welfare autocrats. By reaching out to Republicans and other downtown overlords, he has already forsaken the principles that got him elected -- doing something about rundown neighborhoods and a rotting infrastructure, and steering much less money downtown for taxpayer-subsidized projects that should be financed with private capital.

Left largely unsaid is the health of Bob Filner, as well as the health of others with similar alleged proclivities who are involved with media coverage of this incident.

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viewer July 22, 2013 @ 10:17 p.m.

The 2nd 'big-news' story, covered via Don Bauder: Since the changes came of Don's article length, vs. the pasttimes. At the same time other SDR changes.

There is now a 'classic Don Bauder.' As the same with 'San Diego Reader' editions.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 8:03 a.m.

viewer: It's"big news" for sure. And it appears to have legs. Best, Don Bauder

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aardvark July 22, 2013 @ 10:29 p.m.

Filner's statement today did him no favors. How convincing do you think you sound as you state, "I do not believe these claims are valid." Today's comments were poor, but still not nearly as damaging as his original DVD "apology".

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 8:19 a.m.

aardvark: I think his statement that he had a monster inside was actually pretty shrewd. He admitted he treated women badly. But then he said that this treatment does not rise to the threshold of harassment. Best, Don Bauder

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aardvark July 23, 2013 @ 12:38 p.m.

Don: At this point, it appears that he will not have to decide what harassment is; the courts will.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 3:11 p.m.

aardvark: The question is whether this ever gets to court. Several things could happen: 1. It's possible Filner has some kind of psychological problem, such as a tumor, in which case he will have to resign; 2. He may not be able to take the heat. He has more than half the Democrats, all the Republicans, all the money and all the mainstream media against him. Could anybody survive that? 3. He could be recalled. 4. Something could come out to discredit accusers -- (and I am assuming there will be more) and that could help his cause. Best, Don Bauder

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aardvark July 23, 2013 @ 4:34 p.m.

Don: 3) Very likely. 2) Not likely. 1) I hope that is not the case. That is something you don't wish on anyone. 4) The more accusers there are, the less likely that will ever happen. JMO.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 10:43 p.m.

aardvark: This latest one from 2005 is not that strong. But there will be more -- no question. Filner has a lot of enemies. Best, Don Bauder

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rdotinga July 22, 2013 @ 10:36 p.m.

Oh for Christ's sake, Don. Spit it out already. "Left largely unsaid is the health of Bob Filner, as well as the health of others with similar alleged proclivities who are involved with media coverage of this incident."

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 8:20 a.m.

Randy: You spit it out. You have a bullhorn. If you don't know what I am talking about, then you do not deserve to have that bullhorn. Best, Don Bauder

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Burwell July 22, 2013 @ 10:43 p.m.

McCormack Jackson probably left the Port District to add another pension to her retirement portfolio. She probably received a pension of at least $50,000 per year from the Port District, so changing jobs was not really a pay cut. By moving to the city and working for $125K, she'll probably get another $3,000 per month pension after putting in 8 years with the city. Leaving the Port was likely a sound financial deal. Another 8 years would probably put her at age 65 so she could collect social security benefits. She's probably also collecting a pension from the Copley Press defined benefit plan, and also has a Copley 401k stuffed with dough.

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SurfPuppy619 July 23, 2013 @ 1:05 a.m.

But that cut was from $175,000 to $125,000 Her "communications" job is AT MOST a $50K per year job...the notion you would pay ANONE $175K, or even $125K for this kind of job is a scam.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 9:31 a.m.

SurfPup: I agree that $175,000 for this job at the port sounds excessive. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 8:24 a.m.

Burwell: She worked for the U-T for 25 years, so she is either receiving or due to receive a generous defined benefit AND defined contribution retirement. She should get a retirement from the port, from which she was making $175,000 a year. My point is it is very unlikely that she is hurting financially. She knew she wouldn't get fired if she came forward. Why didn't she come forward earlier? Best, Don Bauder

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Sjtorres July 22, 2013 @ 11:21 p.m.

Don's Machiavellian justifications for defending Filner are outrageous and his character assassination of Irene MCormack are disgusting.

The ends don't justify the means Mr Bauder.

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SurfPuppy619 July 23, 2013 @ 1:08 a.m.

Don is taking heat, just like Filner. But Don is entitled to his opinion on the issue. I am very torn, as I think if the comments are true that Filner MUST go, but I do not put blind faith in the truthfulness of the women, I need more.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 11:21 a.m.

SurfPup: I think a major question is whether Filner, at his age, can continue to take this. He may have to resign for health reasons, particularly if his alleged recent behavior, if it has worsened in the last year or so, suggests that there may be some deterioration. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 8:26 a.m.

Sjtorres: Filner's enemies are trying to force him to resign. That smacks of a lynching -- getting the punishment before getting due process. Sorry. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill July 23, 2013 @ 2:16 p.m.

I still have tremendous respect for Don Bauder - I think he is the best financial/political writer in San Diego and has shown great integrity throughout his career. But my respect for him has dropped due to this series of articles, which almost sound like P.R. pieces for Filner's defense. I think in the interests of being overly fair to Filner, Don has made unwarranted implied attacks on the victims' credibility.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 3:15 p.m.

ImJustABill: As I keep repeating, Filner is entitled to due process. If he is forced to resign under the pressure before he gets due process, a lot of people will have a permanent bad taste in their mouths because of this experience. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard July 23, 2013 @ 12:46 a.m.

I believe this is politics, some will gain if Filner can be destroyed. Much that the plaintiff claims as abuse just can't be. The proposal of marriage for instance. This must be a joke or plaintiff is conceding a much closer relationship than she claims. The underwear comment also can't be precisely what she claims. Why would anyone know or care unless someone is lifting up their skirt? She claims to have observed others being abused, but in a generic way, so no one can defend the Mayor by denying the charge. We're told there is no circumstantial evidence or corroborating witnesses at this time, we'll have to take plaintiffs word for it. We're told the damages are unspecified, except that the Mayor must resign. She asks for political remedy for an offense that is not political. Plainly this lawsuit intends to use the court as theater to disgrace the Mayor, seeking something the court can't grant, his removal from office.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 8:28 a.m.

Psycholizard: The strategy, it appears to me, is to force the mayor to resign before this gets to court. This has been obvious from the beginning. I say: let the matter proceed to court and see if the charges hold up. Best, Don Bauder

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patflannery July 23, 2013 @ 1:37 a.m.

Don:

You say: "Filner has already moved the City backward -- into the hands of the downtown corporate welfare autocrats."

I share your fear that he may have done so but if you read Bob’s statement carefully

http://www.sandiego.gov/mayor/pdf/2013/release130718.pdf

you will notice that he did not commit himself to the expansion project Sanders approved on his way out the door that included a PLA. He merely restated his support for "a" convention center expansion project. He did not say that he supported "their" expansion project.

I don't think he has rolled over for them. I think he has merely bought himself some time.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 8:30 a.m.

Pat: I certainly hope your are right. But when you combine that statement with giving broad power to Ekard, you have to wonder. Best, Don Bauder

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Bob_Hudson July 23, 2013 @ 3:51 a.m.

Wow! I guess that if a politician has a "progressive" agenda then his alleged sexual harassment victims are fair game.

It is not the Chamber of Commerce or Republican party members making these allegations of harassment and disrespect for women: so far it's his own fiancee and a woman who gave up a better-paying job to proudly go to work for this "progressive."

Here on this Reader page that woman is now portrayed as being some sort of pension whore who apparently is a political tool to get Filner. I guess the next Reader article will tell us how the Mayor's fiancee was a sleeper planted by the GOP four years ago with the intent of one day emerging to damage his reputation.

Don, you damage your reputation when you write those lame questions wondering why this woman didn't until now just hold in her hand in the air and proclaim, "Uh, pardon me, my boss, the well-known arrogant bully, is sexually harassing me."

Don, has your hatred of the downtown "establishment" so clouded your judgement that you are willing to blame the victims because they are, rightfully, afraid to come forward in this case and in so many other workplaces?

Don, your liberal economics may be hip for some, but when it comes to understanding women in the workplace, you are as much a dinosaur as is Filner and on this subject your are not a reporter, but merely an ill-informed commentator.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 8:37 a.m.

Bob: You are getting a mite overheated, but it seems most people are overheated in this dispute. Filner's enemies are trying to force him to resign. A few of us are saying, "That is against the tenets of our system. This should be heard in court." I have already said I believe Filner has given away the store to the downtown corporate welfarites, so it really doesn't seem to matter who is mayor. Still, Filner has a right to tell his side of the story in court. Best, Don Bauder

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JustWondering July 23, 2013 @ 5:52 a.m.

Seems Donna Frye et al were telling the truth, but not the whole truth. When the whole truth comes out, and it will in all its horrid details, we'll all read about it locally as well as nationally as San Diego suffers once more.

Sadly Don, your 1950s/Madmen bias has, and is coloring the tone while undermining the credibility of your reporting. From your July 15th diatribe "It's a lynching until proven otherwise" to today's implied speculation about Ms. Jackson's reluctance to come forward as part of a greater conspiracy, is not up to your respectable standards. Maybe it's time to take a step, or two back, and examine this?

Does Mr. Filner deserve his due process? ABSOLUTELY. However, Mr. Filner did not help himself with his earlier mea culpa. To me it sounded more like a child whose hand was caught in the cookie jar. His contrite yet hollow statement "I need help" were words from a sophisticated politician, who has been down this road, or ones very similar to it, before. The difference, this time he's being called out by Frye, "someone you [and others] greatly respect" as well as other previously high ranking members of Filner's own Administration.

Filner is an old dog who chooses not to learn new tricks. He is a leopard who cannot change his spots. I suspect Mayor Bob Filner will soon be another "former Mayor of San Diego", following an extended period of "due process" where we will all learn more than we all wanted or needed to know.

On the bight side for Bob, four of his eight predecessors also left office under a cloud of wrong doing, but this Mayor will have the distinction of being the first to have "danced" his way out of office.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 8:40 a.m.

JustWondering: I am happy to serve as a punching bag in this dispute. Call me a "1950s Madman" or whatever, I will take the side of due process over the side of invective. Best, Don Bauder

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JustWondering July 23, 2013 @ 9:20 a.m.

This is not about you, I actually respect most, nearly all of your reports. While I realize your contributions to this blog space are laced with opinion portions as well as facts (hence the "News-Ticker" blog title) do you really want to be Mayor Filner's apologist is this matter?

My 1950s / AMC Television's ManMen series comment was merely a contrast between the business climate of those times versus today's more progressive attitudes toward women in the workplace.

IF these allegations prove reliable, and there really are no non-political reasons to doubt them considering: 1. Frye et al coming forth 2. Resignations form high ranking officials within Filner's Administration including Ms. Frye. 3. Filner's mea culpa - Monster inside or not 4. A detailed Civil Complaint of alledged behavior. 5. One complainant, [so far] who by your own analysis is already financially secure and a person who adamantly supported Filner in the past.

It is one thing to be loyal, true to the cause with hopes of "real" change for San Diego, but to turn a blind eye on what seems to be substantial and ever mounting evidence appears to be partisaness beyond rational thought.

As I mentioned before Filner DESERVES due process, whether he really wants it or not. However while he "dances" and his hired minions spin the facts, San Diego suffers another scandal. For how long? Only the Mayor, elected by the good citizens knows for sure.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 11:30 a.m.

JustWondering: It is remarkable to me how I can stand up for due process and be accused of being "Mayor Filner's apologist." I have written that his statements -- if accurately recorded -- are not only deplorable, but suggest there is a psychological imbalance of some kind. Filner admitted as much by saying there were monsters inside of him. Still, a bunch of people are attempting to force him to resign. He is entitled to defend himself. Until he is permitted to do so, those who are trying to force him to quit should take a lesson in judicial fairness. He should remain in office, and if the voters want to recall him, then the correct process will have been followed. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat July 24, 2013 @ 6:28 p.m.

Don, he was not calling you a "Madman." He was referring to the cable TV series called "Mad Men" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0804503/?ref_=sr_1). It's about the NYC 1960s advertising industry ["Mad" refers to Madison Avenue] and the very sexist atmosphere back then. I'm guessing you've never watched it.

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historymatters July 24, 2013 @ midnight

Please we keep hearing threats of the "horrid" details. You guys sound desperate. i am SURE if the details were that "horrid we would have been made WELL aware of them. They have NOTHING! hey have shown us NOTHING. they were backed into a corner and forced to pony up a victim and so they ponied up someone who is a seasoned pro at holding press conferences. This is NOT a woman that has a problem w/ communication.

This case is falling apart at the seams and we have to not be fooled by the smoke and mirrors and let it FALL APART on its own.

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FatCatSegat July 23, 2013 @ 8:26 a.m.

Damn, Damn, Damn! Took me a while to get on board with Mayor Filner. For a moment there it looked like San Diego had a mayor with our interests in mind. The arguments I had against his mayoral run which eventually sold me on him. And now this?! Gloria Alred for chrissakes. That overglorified, press hungry, ambulance chaser doesn't touch anything she can't win. Ever! No matter what we come up with Don, its over. Exactly what we were sure was not going to happen, has happened. A victim, a lawsuit, and who knows what the heck is next. Okay, so lets say there was no physical contact, he still allegedly couldn't keep his mouth shut with comment after comment. The victim says she saw him place his hands where they didn't belong countless times. Damn-it Bob! If any of this is true, maybe you should've walked when these allegations first came out, or when the fiancee jumped ship. I'm still in your corner Mayor Filner,...somewhat. I think they call this denial. I just don't want to believe it. Again, as I've stated before, I wonder what scum will now rise to the top.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 9 a.m.

FatCatSegat: There is no question that Filner is in trouble if McCormack Jackson's allegations are true, unless he can show that he was making the comments in jest. There is no question that many of the "due process" people are deserting ship. Filner now has half the Democrats, all the Republicans, essentially all the money and the mainstream media lined up against him. Can anybody survive that? But remember the role that the passage of time plays: Weiner and Spitzer are already trying to make comebacks. Vitter is still in office. Sanford got elected to Congress. Bill Clinton suffered long-lasting wounds but is now highly respected. Advertisers dropped Tiger Woods as a spokesman but now he is back and there are few mentions of his earlier transgressions. For Filner, the interesting question is whether he can let time heal wounds while he remains in office and the court case proceeds.

People seem to be commenting surprisingly seldom about one of the biggest ironies: Goldsmith's office will have to defend Filner. It will probably be like the Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case. In my opinion, the bungling by the prosecution was intentional, perhaps unconsciously so. It didn't want to win. Best, Don Bauder

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historymatters July 23, 2013 @ 11:49 p.m.

Due process people jumping ship? I dont think so Don...yeah the politicians have turned on him but thats because they are being paid off. We supporters are just as aggressive as ever. this story is falling apart and mcCormack reveals just how weak the story is. her narrative is so far from believable. She is no shrinking violet and knew EXACTLY how to deal w/ sexual harassment claims and did not bother filing a claim.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 6:39 a.m.

historymatters: The second allegation from 2005 is very weak. Filner has a wickledly satiric sense of humor. Some people don't catch that. Best, Don Bauder

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Yankeedoodle July 23, 2013 @ 11:38 p.m.

Is this true? I think perhaps she has lst a couple.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 6:42 a.m.

Irene McCormack Jackson is an intelligent, fair person. This is another reason why her allegations have to be studied in detail. Filner saying he wanted to marry her (while at the time he was engaged) may have been an example of his wicked sense of humor. Gauche, yes. Unwise, yes. Sexual harassment? Quite possibly not. Best, Don Bauder

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historymatters July 23, 2013 @ 11:51 p.m.

PUHLEASE! I have met Gloria, she will take ANY case that can get her on TV thats her only requirement. She has taken all kinds of ridic clients which is why she has become a laughing stock. So her stepping in just lends more to the idea that this is all a farce.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 6:44 a.m.

historymatters: She is said to be better at generating publicity than at practicing law. Best, Don Bauder

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JustWondering July 23, 2013 @ 9:31 a.m.

Two comments: Goldsmith in his press conference yesterday, (http://www.utsandiego.com/video/play/58624/) recused himself and his office from defending the litigation. Two of his high ranking deputies will, however, investigate for the City as a named defendant. If the Council decided to pay for Filner's defense, the City will hire outside counsel on the taxpayer's dime. In the meantime Filner has hired his own attorney at his own expense. Regarding the names of your list of offenders. Many, not all, resigned their positions. Filner should consider taking a page from their play books. Yes it's true, some have successfully rehabilitated themselves in the eyes of public, some regaining respectability and an office. But each situation is unique unto itself with nuisances of similarities.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 11:36 a.m.

JustWondering: I don't know the legalities of Goldsmith recusing himself, but I question how his office can recuse itself. However, maybe there is precedent for this. If I were Filner, I wouldn't trust Goldsmith's office to defend him. Best, Don Bauder

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historymatters July 23, 2013 @ 11:44 p.m.

if Filner steps down the citizens will be taken for billions so id say whatever the cost to defend Filner is WELL worth it and way cheaper than him resigning.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 6:45 a.m.

historymatters: The sticky-fingered corporate welfarites are licking their chops. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill July 23, 2013 @ 9:42 a.m.

So last week many of you were saying that none of the acusers have come forward. Now they have. My impression is that Don and a lot of the posters have decided to defend Filner until the bitter end. Just curious, for the record what in the world do you guys think would be required for Filner to leave? Videotaped evidence? Losing a sexual harassment lawsuit? Being convicted of sexual assault? Or would even that be enough? Would you have to personally be present as he gropes someone? Or is any of that enough? Filner has a D by his name not an R so it's all a big right-wing conspiracy no matter what?

Just curious.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 11:42 a.m.

ImJustABill: One accuser has come forward and Filner now has the right to defend himself. If he can't stand the heat (or doesn't have the money), then he will have to get out of the kitchen voluntarily. After all, he has the Republicans, half of more of the Democrats, all the money and the major media against him, and he knows it. But his resignation would not satisfy those of us wanting due process. It would still be a railroading. It would not heal the City's wounds. It might even exacerbate them. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill July 23, 2013 @ 2:20 p.m.

Filner has the right to defend himself but unless he is truly innocent (about a 1,000,000/1 longshot at this point) defending himself is not the right thing to do.

He should start working on finding a replacement who shares similar passions for fighting against corporate greed but who can behave in an acceptable manner.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 3:21 p.m.

ImJustABill: If Filner resigns or is recalled, it would be great if he were replaced by somebody who shared his passion against corporate greed. But that, too, would appear to be a long shot, although not a million to one. Best, Don Bauder

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historymatters July 23, 2013 @ 11:46 p.m.

Don he has gotta hang tight. These people will NEVER allow this case to go to court because if they did it would reveal that it was a setup. They are going to have to explain WHY they have video of Filner kissing an employee and then supeona phone records which will prob show contact between the victims and the Repub PI that was following Filner w/ the video camera.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 6:48 a.m.

historymatters: Yes, I want to know more about that Republican PI who has been following Filner around, taking footage and getting it into the U-T. Who has been paying him? What is his background? Why isn't the U-T asking these questions? Best, Don Bauder

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historymatters July 23, 2013 @ 11:55 p.m.

No that they have come forward it looks even MORE suspicious! I mean seriously, I do not believe for a second he came on to Irene. Nor do I believe that she was too scared to file a claim. That girl is a seasoned professional. 34 years experience...25 yrs high level employee at the UT 9 yrs high level at Port. NTM alot of her decisions at the Port really call her integrity into question.

The fact that Irene is the poster child for this case makes this case seem very very weak. She is not believable as a victim.

And laura fink...give me a break!!! You do not get to call the sheriffs hotline 8 YEARS later!!! This has got to be a joke.

Plus an innocent ass slap does not an abuser make.

These women are making a mockery of REAL victims of abuse and its sad. the media needs to stop feeding this monster. it is ALL smoke and mirrors. there has been absolutely NO substance as of yet.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 6:55 a.m.

historymatters: Irene is indeed a seasoned professional but she did not have a high position at the U-T. I would hardly call her a "girl." I know of no port decision that called her integrity into question. Let's stay on the high ground here. What we are saying is that some of her allegations should be challenged, and Filner has a right -- an obligation, really -- to do that. The 2005 allegation is very weak. There will be more, because Filner has enemies.

The big question: was there an organized conspiracy to smear Filner? THAT needs to be investigated. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard July 23, 2013 @ 9:46 a.m.

Did any of you supporting this coup look at this woman? If you then believe the Mayor was consumed by passion and threw away his career because this woman refused to marry him, you are blind or a lesbian, or the Mayor is. Context is everything in language, and the Mayor can plausibly claim that he was joking, and never imagined that she had so little self awareness as to believe the Mayor wanted more than laughs. It's not just the age and weight, the woman is just unsexy. To win at trial plaintiff would need witnesses.

Gonzales' exit is also problematic, usually attorneys are added. Exits sometimes mean that the first attorney knows their client is lying. Allred was snappy, claiming ignorance when asked about the first attorney, and the other alleged victims. Attorneys can't ethically accuse former clients of lying, but silence sometimes sings.

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Diogenes July 23, 2013 @ 10:15 a.m.

Attorneys can refer a case for a percentage so long as the client agrees in writing to a division of fees after a full disclosure of all material facts.

Too much should not be read into the apparent referral at this point.

Sometimes the referring attorney lacks experience or has a conflict of interest, or both.

Allred was heavy-handed at the press conference. She and Filner share one trait - an abrasive demeanor. Many right wingers hate Allred for standing up for women's rights, just as they hate Filner for standing up for veterans and local community plans.

This encounter will be interesting.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 3:24 p.m.

Diogenes: To my knowledge, Gonzalez does not have experience in sexual harassment cases. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 11:45 a.m.

Psycholizard: I had not heard that Gonzalez is departing. That is interesting. I don't know that it is meaningful. I do know that Allred is a great manipulator of the press; she plays the media like a violin. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill July 23, 2013 @ 2:22 p.m.

How dare you attack a potential victims' appearance? Way out of line. FYI I've flagged your offensive post for removal.

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SurfPuppy619 July 24, 2013 @ 4:12 p.m.

If you then believe the Mayor was consumed by passion and threw away his career because this woman refused to marry him, you are blind or a lesbian,..."

Psycho, that was rather harsh, and mean spirited....... not that I can throw stones, as I do much of the same, but at least I am trying to change.

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Yankeedoodle July 27, 2013 @ 2:47 p.m.

Certainly that first paragraph in its entirety was uncalled for.

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Diogenes July 23, 2013 @ 10:03 a.m.

I agree with Mr. Bauder that women need to set boundaries early in any relationship.

Some women learn to accept benefits from using their charms. Then they can turn the tables for their advantage. In Games People Play, a psychiatrist laid this all out in the 50's.

Everyone benefits from the attacks on Filner; the trade unions get construction work, Gloria Allred gets publicity, developers can evade the general plan, the good ole boys are back in power downtown.

Drama is the twist of the screw where the victim becomes the avenging angel. It is a diabolical process in most cases.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 11:48 a.m.

Diogenes: I will have to go back and read Games People Play. Come to think of it, I don't remember if I read it then. Best, Don Bauder

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sdraoul July 23, 2013 @ 11:42 a.m.

Don B. misses the point. Due process is in the courts where this Filner imbroglio is now headed. But the core issue and context is political. Either Filner resigns or is recalled. Either is a political act. There is no due process in a political act or in politics.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 11:50 a.m.

sdraoul: My position is that Filner should not be hounded to resign over allegations that have not been proven. However, the voters have a right to recall him. I certainly agree with that. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard July 23, 2013 @ 11:49 a.m.

A case can be referred yes, but Allred denied knowledge of Gonzales' actions, and the missing plaintiffs he claimed to speak for. If Gonzales slinks away, we'll know something, if his missing clients come forward, we'll know something else. What we know now is why they have been so slow in identifying this alleged victim, she doesn't pass the laugh test as an object of lust, and far from being exploited and helpless, she is connected and power hungry, and seems to accept no redress other than the destruction of her enemy, and reversing the vote of thousands. She knows personally those that intend to grab power by this circus. She's one of them.

Real victims may come forward later, they also deserve due process.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 11:55 a.m.

Psycholizard: A jury will have to decide if she passes the laugh test. I know her slightly and have nothing against her, incidentally. The question is whether this ever gets to court. Filner could break down first. This is a test of his strength, and also his pocketbook. Best, Don Bauder

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Burwell July 23, 2013 @ 11:37 p.m.

A 70 year old man has little to fear except his own mortality. Filner is in a strong position. His state, city and congressional pensions cannot be taken away from him. If he's hit with large lawsuit judgments, he can file bankruptcy and still have his pensions intact. He should be able to withstand the pressure to resign by largely ignoring it. If anyone heckles him, he should smile and tell the heckler to f#@k himself. He should go to work each day, take a long lunch, and leave early. If they recall him, there's nothing he can do about it. He should sit back and let DeMaio and Fletcher fight each other like starving mongrels over scraps of meat.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 7:04 a.m.

Burwell: Another point: Filner doesn't have to lick anybody's boots at this point -- an unusual benefit for a politician. The extremely well-financed power brokers are lined up against him, manipulating the press. His own party is against him. Now is the time for him to come out with a bold initiative: I suggest a big program to work off the $1 billion infrastructure deficit. This is a time to fix the roads and streets, work on long term water supply, tell the corporate welfarists and union leaders that the convention center expansion is economic folly (he would have to make a big switch to do that), resume his fight against the hotel owners who want to live off taxpayers money, etc. etc. He would get some well-earned adulation, in my judgment. Best, Don Bauder

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Yankeedoodle July 24, 2013 @ 11:51 a.m.

Don: Interesting idea, to get something done during the melee. Why not?

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dwbat July 24, 2013 @ 6:42 p.m.

RE: " He should go to work each day, take a long lunch, and leave early." Uh, what? That's NOT what we pay a mayor to do. Maybe execs in the private section do this, but public servants are supposed to work full days for a day's pay. Yes, I know; members of Congress don't do it.

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dwbat July 24, 2013 @ 7:03 p.m.

RE: " He should go to work each day, take a long lunch, and leave early." Uh, what? That's NOT what we pay a mayor to do. Maybe execs in the private sector do this, but public servants are supposed to work full days for a day's pay. Yes, I know; members of Congress don't do it.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 3:28 p.m.

Psycholizard: We would not necessarily know more if Gonzalez departs. He might have recruited Allred and decided to work in areas he knows something about. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard July 23, 2013 @ 1:37 p.m.

This is trial by media circus, the jury will be the voters. They are asking for a remedy that no judge can grant. I'm waiting for more plaintiffs, ones with legitimate damages, and real evidence. If this is all they've got, after all the build up, my bet is on Filner, both to win in court and with the public.

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ImJustABill July 23, 2013 @ 2:24 p.m.

So you want a jury trial circus instead?

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 7:06 a.m.

ImJustABill: As we have just witnessed in Florida, the media rake in a bundle of money from a jury trial circus. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 3:30 p.m.

Psycholizard: With most Democrats, all Republicans, all money and all mainstream media against him, I wouldn't put a cent on Filner to survive. And that's a shame, because he has a right to defend himself. But he may never have the chance. Best, Don Bauder

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Sjtorres July 23, 2013 @ 2:48 p.m.

Filner can have his due process and day in court after he resigns.

He cannot govern effectively. City Hall is a mess. Filner has no gravitas and no ones respect. He needs to step down for the good of the city. Them he can have all the due process he wants, on his own time.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 3:32 p.m.

Sjtorres: And on his own dime, presumably. Ponder this: I think City Hall has been a mess since the first day of the Golding administration. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 3:47 p.m.

MORE WEINER ALLEGATIONS, BUT HE WON'T QUIT NEW YORK MAYORAL RACE: The New York Times is reporting this afternoon that there is a new scandal about Anthony D. Weiner's raunchy online messages, but he refuses to leave the mayoral race in New York City. Weiner quit the House of Representatives following revelations that he had engaged in reckless online conduct. Now, he admitted today in a hastily arranged news conference, that the behavior had continued even after his resignation. But at least now, he has no intention of leaving the NY mayoral race. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard July 23, 2013 @ 4:28 p.m.

There is a lawful way to remove the Mayor, yet the drumbeat is for immediate resignation. Why should he resign? As with the apology his resignation would be taken as admission of whatever anyone wants to accuse him later. I can't unequivocally support Filner because someone may still come forward with a real example of sexual harassment, and there might be new evidence that supports this dubious claim. But nothing so far suggests that Filner misused his position to force someone to have sex, the usual meaning of sexual harassment. Remember a woman judge refused to hear the Paula Jones lawsuit, ruling that the accusation that Clinton exposed himself in a hotel room did not fit sexual harassment even if true. These Filner allegations don't come near that. Those that say Filner has no support now are wrong, many are outraged at the treatment he's getting, even as we wait for facts.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 4:51 p.m.

Psycholizard: On the other hand, the revelations about Weiner are certainly for real -- revelations, not allegations. Ditto Spitzer. It is interesting that Southerners, with their supposed rigid morality, are forgiving with Sanford and Vetter, but liberal locales such as New York are unforgiving (up to now) with Weiner and Spitzer. Best, Don Bauder

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Yankeedoodle July 24, 2013 @ 11:56 a.m.

That pattern could just be accidental, because there are not enough data for these cases to be statistically significant. Amusing thought, though.

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Don Bauder July 23, 2013 @ 10:40 p.m.

JustWondering: It was predictable that more would come forward. Best, Don Bauder

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monaghan July 24, 2013 @ 1:17 a.m.

Why won't Don Bauder fold the way we want Bob Filner to resign and is McCormack-Jackson really pretty enough to be sexually harassed and couldn't they have found a second complainant whose last name, Fink, wasn't an embarrassment and did she have to admit to being founder of a group that supported Nathan Fletcher for Mayor? This is getting less and less civil to sustain in the middle of Week Two. Whatever happened to "civil" anyway? Why won't this guy Filner resign the way many mayoral predecessors did and save the city's "good name?" If he did quit, we might even set him up for life in the Meridian, just out of gratitude.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 7:12 a.m.

monaghan: Fink's allegation is extremely weak. The incident was an example of Filner's acerbic sense of humor. I am not aware that Fink is a member of a group that supported Nathan Fletcher for mayor. If so, this should be a part of an investigation of whether this has been, all along a planned conspiracy to force Filner to resign before he has a chance to defend himself Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard July 24, 2013 @ 2:35 a.m.

The Fink accusation is too old, and the Filner crew responded by the textbook. She reports no retaliation or repeated incidents. This is not sexual harassment.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 7:13 a.m.

Psycholizard: Agreed. But is it part of a smear conspiracy? Who got her to come forward? Best, Don Bauder

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JustWondering July 24, 2013 @ 4:17 a.m.

You're right it just too old. On the other hand it's technically a battery, an unwanted touching, but more than likely beyond the statute of limitations. Never mind that the "victim" was not interested in a criminal prosecution whatsoever. But then again, it's a great piece of documented history [2005] witnessed by a few, with, what was described as a weak apology by then Congressman Filner.

No, the revelation in this newest piece of fannygate, or is it pantygate, is the new information of past involmentr of Mr. Buckles, Mr. Filner's former Congressional Chief-of-Staff and his new Mayoral one. I'm just wondering how long he remains Mr. Filner's C-O-S and why he would take a job knowing Filner's history and the current firestorm? A deposition of Mr. Buckles, under oath, should/could be quite revealing. One thing is for sure, if Hollywod wrote this story, no one would believe it.

Sadly, for the people of San Diego, the documented 2005 incident & apology, combined with Frye revelations with Filner's admission "he has a monster inside"/apology and this newest lawsuit with even more details does tend to show a trend in our Mayor's behavior patterns.

With that said I agree with Don, he is entitled to due process. We all need to understand the depths of this man's behaviors and the angsts of these women who are now stepping forward. But I have a question; What happens when the employer (the people of San Diego) become aware of an employee's unacceptable behavior creating a hostile work environment but allows it to continue? Maybe someone with employment law experience can chime in on this and how the nuisances of his position as strong Mayor affect the people's ability to protect themselves from further liability.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 7:18 a.m.

JustWondering: You make some good points and ask some pointed questions. I believe there should be two intense investigations: 1. Into Filner's alleged sexual harassments; 2. Into whether there was a planned conspiracy to smear Filner, and whether some in the media were actively involved in planning and carrying out the conspiracy. However, I know San Diego. With all the money and power on one side, there will be only one investigation: 1. Into Filner. Best, Don Bauder

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JustWondering July 24, 2013 @ 8:48 a.m.

Care to specifically name "some in the media" who participating in this conspiracy? Are "they" principals or mere underlings being duped by another controlling faction?

Or is it more likely, and more probable, the simplest explanation is usually the right one, otherwise known as the law of parsimony. While I and others have, at this time, no way of proving all things are equal, Mr. Filner has a documented history of this kind of boorish behavior like it or not.

The question is can he survive it this time? And, can Treasury, a self insured one funded by San Diego taxpayers, pay? Now that we're aware of Mayor predilection for certain "dance" moves, fanny pats and panty lines, we're accountable both morally and financially.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 1:40 p.m.

JustWondering: It's one thing to have a monster inside, and have a history of mistreating women in the workplace. It's quite another to have a history of......Oh never mind, at least for now. Best, don Bauder

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Psycholizard July 24, 2013 @ 10:44 a.m.

An unwanted touch at a cocktail party eight years ago apologised for and never repeated does not mean the Mayor should resign and make the accuser's current client, Todd Gloria, acting Mayor. Those that treat the truth as a weapon, to be picked up or dropped when it furthers their interest, are not at heart truthful. That said, I believe most of her story, but her actions speak just as loud. She stayed quiet before and worked to elect a man she now claims unfit for office. She said what she was paid to say. Someone else is paying her now.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 1:41 p.m.

Psycholizard: The second and third women's allegations are a joke. I'll have more. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 1:42 p.m.

aardvark: No, this does not make three. The last two make the score 2 to 1 for Filner. Best, Don Bauder

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aardvark July 24, 2013 @ 4:28 p.m.

Don: There may not be three lawsuits, but three women have now come forward, and even if you claim the score is 2-1, that one means so much more than the other two. I also doubt they will be the only three, and I also doubt there will be only one lawsuit against Filner and the city.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 9:22 p.m.

aardvark: I agree that the lawsuit is critical for both sides, if it goes forward. Filner may be hounded out of office first. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill July 24, 2013 @ 5:34 p.m.

3-0 for anyone who lives in 2013 and not in a Mad Men episode.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 9:25 p.m.

ImJustABill: You keep referring to Mad Men (Madmen?) and unfortunately I have never seen it, although I have heard about it, and once devoted a column about San Diego advertising in those days. Full disclosure: I was in advertising in 1960, but in Chicago, not New York City. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill July 25, 2013 @ 10:49 a.m.

Actually I've never seen it either but my friends tell my about it. Apparently in the show a normal day on Madison Avenue in the 1960's involved lots of drinking, smoking, and worse treatment of women than what would be acceptable today.

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Psycholizard July 24, 2013 @ 1:57 p.m.

Gloria Allred seems to act on retainer, who's paying?

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SurfPuppy619 July 24, 2013 @ 4:07 p.m.

Allred is doing the repping for free b/c of the TV face time, or on a contingency fee................

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 9:26 p.m.

Psycholizard: Good question. That's one of many reasons that discovery must go forward, if such a question can be raised in discovery. Best, Don Bauder

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Anon92107 July 24, 2013 @ 2:14 p.m.

Don, the paramount fact is that Donna Fry and Susan Davis have infinite integrity compared to Filner who has no integrity. To question their judgement is to sell out females to male predators.

Filner is a role model male whose amygdala is no more controlled by his prefrontal cortex than that of a chimpanzee. For a woman to be alone in a room with Filner is like tossing them into a chimpanzee cage.

Filner sold out the integrity of half the demo committee that refused to fight back for women against predators like Filner, and the committee split achieved Manchester's most deranged dream.

This horror story at least proves that male democratic politicians are no better than male republican politicians, and that is the worst problem that American Democracy has today.

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dwbat July 24, 2013 @ 6:56 p.m.

Well stated. And that's the problem with this fiasco. It should have nothing to do with politics. Sexual harassment is the same, whether from a Democrat or Republican. It's UNacceptable, and must not be tolerated. And I still say that Clinton's sexual hijinks with that female intern was terrible behavior, and HE should have resigned as he disgraced the office of President. [And I did vote for him.] Filner has done the same, by disgracing the office of the mayor.

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historymatters July 24, 2013 @ 8:10 p.m.

Susan Davis has integrity? thats news to me and Donna has been great but she is clearly not herself lately. This is not the Donna Frye we know. makes me wonder if she is on Prozac or something that is changing her demeanor,

Donna is being played here. Shes gotta wake up. They have to hurry the resignation b4 Donna wakes up and realizes its all a big farce.

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historymatters July 24, 2013 @ 8:13 p.m.

yes Donna Frye has shown integrity but that does not mean she can not be wrong or be manipulated. Simply because someone has integrity is not reason we should be denied the due process we deserve here to allow us to decide for ourselves. This case is very weak. There is only 1 real allegation and even that allegation is merely things that were allegedly "said". That is certainly not a good reason to give up Balboa Park to developers.

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dwbat July 24, 2013 @ 8:49 p.m.

I wasn't aware Balboa Park was being turned over to developers. Where did you read this? From graffiti on Cabrillo Bridge?

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 9:29 p.m.

Anon92107: If you look at the record, it seems the most publicized sex scandals mainly involved Democrats: Bill Clinton, Spitzer, Weiner, Filner and other Democrats. Sanford and Vitter Republicans. Then there was that guy in Idaho whose name escapes me. He was a Republican. Best, Don Bauder

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Yankeedoodle July 27, 2013 @ 2:57 p.m.

And Sen. Packwood from Oregon (R). But that was more of an aggression scandal than sex scandal. There are some similarities to Filner's alleged transgressions, only more extreme, but many more differences, including his diary.

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ImJustABill July 24, 2013 @ 4:55 p.m.

Due process..

I think we have some disagreement here about what process is due (to make a bad pun) to Mr. Filner.

I agree strongly with Sjtorres' post above. "Filner can have his due process and day in court after he resigns." Due process, is a critically important right for the accused IN A COURT OF LAW. However, attempts to apply the concept of full legal due process, with advocates for the accused, rights to face your accusers, questioning the evidence, etc. can lead to absurd results when applied to employment situations. Examples are placing teachers who are known molestors on paid leave in "teacher jails" http://www.themediareport.com/2013/04/17/teacher-jails/.

Ultimately Mr. Filner is an employee of the city of San Diego. In my opinion, he has clearly engaged in conduct which is grossly inappropriate for a city employee. Since there does not seem to be a direct procedure for his removal - other than a recall - applying pressure on him is the only solution.

We shouldn't have to wait months or even years for a court process to play out to pressure Filner to leave.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 9:32 p.m.

ImJustABill: I am disappointed with what APPEARS to be Filner's behavior, but he has a right to have his lawyers depose the accusers if they file suit. One has. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard July 24, 2013 @ 4:55 p.m.

I don't want to say this, but she forces us, Donna Frye lived through the seventies with the rest of us, and is a complete hypocrite about sex and drinking when she attacks Filner. If she forgets, many here remember, and supported her wholeheartedly as a recovered alcoholic and....respectable married woman. Her performance at these press conferences sent eyebrows through the roof here at the Beach. I

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 9:42 p.m.

Psycholizard: I respect Donna enormously but I believe she is wrong to try to force the mayor to resign without due process. She has told me that she is a recovering alcoholic. Her first husband was abusive. That may have colored her judgment in this matter. Best, Don Bauder

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rdotinga July 24, 2013 @ 10:49 p.m.

Jeez. If you treat people you "enormously respect" this way -- she got screwed up by being a victim! OMG! -- I hate to imagine how you deal with the people you DON'T respect.

I seriously am starting to believe that you are a plant sent to discredit Filner opponents, some of whom have valid concerns about what's going on. Did you undergo brainwashing in your many years at the U-T?

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ImJustABill July 24, 2013 @ 5:08 p.m.

So for those who do not think Filner should resign, under what condition(s) do you think he should leave? Is a felony conviction or harassment lawsuit verdict required?

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 9:46 p.m.

ImJustABill: More facts have to come out before I can make that assessment. I still think that sexual harassment is a lesser offense than the enabling of theft of taxpayer money. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill July 25, 2013 @ 10:54 a.m.

Yes I agree there are worse things than what Filner is alleged to have done. I disagree about whether the allegations have been proven. 3 witnesses is enough for me. I understand you believe the severity and circumstance of the accusations lead you to have some doubt. No doubt for me.

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janda_sd July 24, 2013 @ 6:09 p.m.

Thank you Don Bauder for questioning this suit and for supporting due process! I was starting to feel like the whole city had gone mad with cries for resignation with what appears to be very weak allegations that keep getting weaker and more suspicious as they come in.

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historymatters July 24, 2013 @ 8:14 p.m.

Agreed Janda. Don please do not cave or be guilted or manipulated by these allegations. This case is very very weak and they show their cards everyday. This obviously a conspiracy to outs Filner. they are putting way too much energy and money into this. If this was organic they would be patient and support his right and our right to due process. there is too much at stake.

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dwbat July 24, 2013 @ 8:56 p.m.

So prominent Democrats are conspiring to oust the mayor that they supported? That makes NO sense at all, and is NOT obvious to those who are objective about this mess.

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rdotinga July 24, 2013 @ 9:07 p.m.

Yes. They're all in on the conspiracy. Along with the media, even including the lefties at CityBeat, except for the Reader (which is immune).

Also in on it: The accusers, their lawyers, the entire city power structure, and anyone who's ever worked for the U-T for any significant period of time. (That includes, of course, Mr. Bauder, who's clearly a plant among the Filner supporters.)

Plus Lee Harvey Oswald and the Illuminati and the Cigarette Smoking Man. And, of course, Don Draper.

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ImJustABill July 24, 2013 @ 9:38 p.m.

I think Elvis Presley is behind the whole thing.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 9:47 p.m.

janda_sd: I do think that public hysteria has replaced dispassionate assessment in this matter. The same was true in the Salem Witch Trials. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard July 24, 2013 @ 6:28 p.m.

We must not let Todd Gloria get his hands on the checkbook even for a day. If that is the result, Filner should never resign. If it can be arranged that an election can be held turning over power to a newly elected Mayor then he should consider resigning. Personally, it's not about Filner, it's about the City, and a free and fair transparent process. People want to reverse my vote by what is so far, a shocking smear without real legal merit. If you think these plaintiffs harmed, and lets assume everything they say is true, their alleged pain does not compare to what they are doing to the Mayor, completely destroying him. A pat on the rear, and an unwanted proposal are considered reason to overturn an election and give control of the city to shocking hypocrites.

He was voted in, and if someone doesn't like that, vote him out.

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 9:49 p.m.

Psycholizard: The best course may be a recall vote -- once the hysteria abates and facts are in front of the public. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat July 25, 2013 @ 2:19 a.m.

Luckily most of the people coming to SD for vacations and conventions will not stay away, after the national media's coverage of our mayor! But having to wait for the recall process will stink up the place. San Diego's reputation is on the line. Resignation is the proper course of action.

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dwbat July 25, 2013 @ 3:36 p.m.

Don, I have seen NO examples of "hysteria" going on in our city. Let's not exaggerate about those asking for Filner's resignation. I don't think hordes of citizens are swarming City Hall with pitchforks and torches, like a scene out of "Frankenstein."

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rdotinga July 24, 2013 @ 8:33 p.m.

From today's U-T story:

"But what became scary was I was being restrained. I could not dictate my life at that point. He was dictating it. And it was awful.”

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jul/24/filner-sexual-harassment-third-woman/

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 9:51 p.m.

Randy: Sounds like you believe everything you read in the U-T. I suggest you should give that some thought. Best, Don Bauder

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rdotinga July 24, 2013 @ 10:03 p.m.

Clearly you are unaware of what the U-T thinks of me and what I think of it. It's all public. I do, however, believe Craig Gustafson's work is trustworthy and the product of a reliable, good reporter.

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dwbat July 24, 2013 @ 8:58 p.m.

How long with the mayor's third chief of staff in two weeks time last on the job? Get your bets in now!

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Don Bauder July 24, 2013 @ 9:52 p.m.

dwbat: The second one leaving is cause for concern. A third departure would be a very definite red flag. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard July 25, 2013 @ 3:20 a.m.

I'm hearing from my band mate who worked with her at the Port Authority years ago, that Ms. McCormack Jackson is a Democrat, in tune with Filner's philosophy, and basicly reliable. He believes her, and points out that any employee would likely be justly fired for the reported behavior. But with the choice being between Filner and the shocking opportunists Todd Gloria or Nathan Fletcher, he finds it hard to recommend resignation. Remember that resignation means firing Filner's staff, who are innocent victims in the scandal.

The sliver of hope in these facts is that Ms.Jackson likely isn't doing this to help Todd Gloria, and therefore might accept a result that teaches a lesson about the bad behavior, but leaves real Democrats in charge of City Hall. Perhaps Filner might work from home while receiving treatment. A settlement that doesn't steal my vote, but restricts Filner's behavior and punishes him is possible, we should hope that the attorneys involved are now working on this, because we don't know who would win a recall or court battle, but we know the city would be a clown show.

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Don Bauder July 25, 2013 @ 9:34 p.m.

Psycholizard: That is certainly an interesting observation. Fink's coming forward has to be investigated, given her political relationships with Gloria and perhaps Fletcher. The four that came out today did not work for Filner, but will give succor and comfort to others who come out, perhaps those who did work for him. This is already snowballing, as was almost inevitable. Just think of all these charges against Filner, and then realize that a couple of posters on this blog think he is worse than Weiner, an obvious pervert. Again, this is an environment of egregious hysteria. Best, Don Bauder

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rdotinga July 25, 2013 @ 10:33 p.m.

I've seen no reporting that says Weiner is anything but a man who sent intimate photos to women who wanted to see them.

I've seen no reporting that suggests he did anything legally wrong or morally offensive to anyone other than his wife and child.

I don't know if the allegations against the mayor are true. But if they are, they show a pattern of abuse of power, of humiliation, of discrimination based on gender, and of generally horrific behavior.

These are serious allegations. You cannot see that, and that's remains shocking and deeply disturbing.

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dwbat July 26, 2013 @ 6:53 p.m.

We don't "think" he is worse than Weiner. He IS worse than Weiner. Don, you still don't comprehend the huge difference. Weiner's behavior was "sexting" with women on a consensual basis. Filner (apparently for many years) has "come on" to numerous women in a crude and offensive sexual manner, when they had NO interest in him at all. And for that, he must be punished. P.S. There is NO hysteria, so please stop saying that over and over. You are ruining your fine journalistic reputation by doing so.

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Lucy D. Barker July 25, 2013 @ 12:11 p.m.

Don, a more important and basic question: Damages in these suits is usually based on lost income from the job the person was run out of. But if she lost no income, what would the damages be? By moving her to an equal spot, the city effectively reduced the wage damages to nothing. I'm not a lawyer - this is worth checking on.

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SurfPuppy619 July 25, 2013 @ 2:30 p.m.

emotional distress can total millions.................

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Don Bauder July 25, 2013 @ 9:38 p.m.

SurfPup: But can the emotional distress be proven? This is where Filner's lawyers will have to dig in in the discovery process. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder July 25, 2013 @ 9:36 p.m.

Lucy D. Barker: I don't see the monetary damages of any of the seven who have come forward, but I am not a lawyer. However, there could be a huge amount of monetary GAIN -- billions of dollars worth -- if he resigns and is replaced by a corporate welfarist, as seems almost inevitable. Best, Don Bauder

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Burwell July 27, 2013 @ 2:56 p.m.

One of the accusers appears to have a criminal record.

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Burwell July 27, 2013 @ 9:02 p.m.

You can go to the San Diego County Superior Court website and search the civil and criminal cases and draw your own conclusions.

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Burwell July 27, 2013 @ 3:11 p.m.

I think some women may have actually been flattered by Filner's attention and enjoyed being hit on by a powerful and connected man, but were put in an awkward situation because the interactions were witnessed by others. So these women are attacking Filner in public to prevent gossip. Filner does not need professional help. Every man with acess to money or power tries to have sex with as many women as possible. Evel Knievel had 4,000 women during his 20 year career. Howard Hughes had sex with every top tier actress in Hollywood. Howard would watch movies and if he saw an actress he liked, he'd send a car for her. I am sure there have been hundreds of women who willingly indulged Filner. There's no law that prevents Filner from asking women for sex, and his sex life is none of the public's concern,

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SurfPuppy619 July 27, 2013 @ 10:30 p.m.

Evel Knievel had 4,000 women during his 20 year career.

20 years x 365 days/year= 7,300 days, divided by 4000 females = a different female sex partner ever 1.8 days.

Me thinks Evel's boasting belongs next to Wilt Chamberlin's claim of 10,000 female sex partners !!!!!

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