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Mayor Jerry Sanders is trotting out City officials to scare San Diegans into voting for Prop. D. He is having eight so-called town hall meetings to talk about proposed slashes in the City's budget. But the meetings are clearly blood-curdling propaganda sessions for Prop. D. As revealed here last night, Sanders didn't show up at last night's (Oct. 19) session. But Pat Flannery, who writes www.blogofsandiego,com, attended the Oct. 18 session at University City High School. Says Flannery, "This is a declaration of war on any and every citizen who might complain about taxes or other measures to pay for city pensions...[Sanders's] people will sell off everything this city has got to pay for their personal pensions." In short, Sanders and his minions are warning San Diegans of the huge slashes in services that are coming to get them to vote for Prop. D, but their real intention is to protect their own pensions.

Police Chief Lansdowne said he would cut 160 sworn police positions, close 2 of 10 divisions, eliminate 36 civilian positions and close the DNA lab. Police Chief Mainar would add 5 more fire engines to the brownout so that 22% of the fire protection forces would be under the brownout. Five communities will be deprived of 100% of their fire protection -- a "blackout," chortled Mainar, who also talked of lifeguard cuts "that will leave San Diego beaches little better than the coast of Baja," says Flannery. Mainar declared, "Folks, it's eventually going to catch up to you; it's not a matter of IF somebody dies as a result of public safety. It's a matter of WHEN."

And on went the scare session as Sanders lackeys warned of cuts in recreation enters, visitor centers, gymnasiums, 24% of library services. There will be 10,000 fewer pothole repairs and 1,400 fewer street light repairs.

Chief Operating Officer Jay Goldstone revealed the purpose of the horripilating evening: "The City Council has placed on the ballot a temporary half-cent sales tax that could generate $102 million. If that passes it could help eliminate the need for some of these potential cuts."

Ha! The intelligent people know that the sales tax money will go to support excessive City employee pensions -- including the $90,000 one of Jerry Sanders. Says Flannery, "[Prop. D] may prompt a sufficient number of angry citizens to call for real town hall meetings, to discuss the real problem -- the sheer illegality, the sheer unfairness and the budgetary unsustainability of Sanders's pension and that of hundreds of other retired city millionaires."

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historymatters Oct. 20, 2010 @ 6:16 p.m.

its pretty inconsistent considering they want to forgive 280 million in loans to redevelopment agencies aka private developers that are enjoying quite a windfall right now....lets forgive those loans to the billionares and convince people if we cant squeeze half that amount from them we are going to let them die. Its contemptible. Seriously, hurry up whistle-blowers and step forward so we can put Sanders in prison where he belongs.

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historymatters Oct. 20, 2010 @ 6:17 p.m.

And thank you Don for being so on top of this.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2010 @ 7:06 p.m.

MAYOR A NO-SHOW AT THIRD TOWN HALL MEETING. Mayor Sanders didn't show up again tonight (Oct. 20) at the citizens forum at Barrio Logan Library. He didn't bother to come last night at the meeting at Clairemont High School. At these forums, the mayor and his minions are warning people of the horrors of spending cuts to come. The forums are a blatant attempt to propagandize for the Prop. D tax increase. Only a few people were there tonight, and those who came mainly asked questions about the confiscation of cars at police checkpoints. Best, Don Bauder

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JustWondering Oct. 20, 2010 @ 7:35 p.m.

Don It's Fire Chief Manier 3rd paragraph, second sentence not Police Chief. And it's blogofsandiego DOT com, not COMA com. Get a good nights rest and things may get better in the morning.

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Visduh Oct. 20, 2010 @ 7:51 p.m.

Having lived in and around this "Wizard of Id" city for a very long time, I cannot remember a season of craziness like this one. The voters in SD are being threatened with a civic meltdown if they do not cave in to the blackmail. It might just work. Here in Vista, we had the voters approve a sales tax boost of a half-percent a couple years ago. But that campaign was more subtle and refined. It had little alarmism in the message, but it was successful.

In the SD case, even if the voters do buy in to this "temporary" tax boost, will it really help? Of course not. And in about two years, they'll be back looking for another sales tax boost, or a parcel tax, or . . . The city is in a flat spin, and while it spirals to the ground, Sanders is still talking about building pyramids to his reign in the form of the football stadium, library, and city hall.

If some satyric writer had, three years ago, written this series of events and published it, he/she would have been laughed out of town. Now it is reality, and they've only just begun.

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historymatters Oct. 20, 2010 @ 7:59 p.m.

Check out this article in the Wall treet Journal on the Bell County scandal. They are saying that was propogated by mail in voter fraud.....that that is how the criminals were able to get themselves elected. They started a very aggressive campaign to get voters to mail-in their ballots.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703309704575413393066886472.html

Personally I have received at least 10 letter from registrar encouraging me to become a mail in voter. I was at a bar last Sunday night and to my surprise there were people there w/ clipboards practically strong arming customers to become permanent mail in voters. This is bizarre and should not be overlooked.

W/ billions at stake we are naive to think there is not a concerted effort to control the results through fraud.

Walk your ballot into the registrars office. Dont mail it in and definitely dont mail it in early. Thats what they want.

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historymatters Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:02 p.m.

and this is why I think the mayor is blowing off these townhalls. he probably got the thumbs up that everything was under control and prop D would pass so now he can just sit back and ignore the people.

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historymatters Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:06 p.m.

And if they need to make cuts Id like them to start w/ the police helicopter that circles North Park everyday for hours and hours. It flies so low that it makes my apartment shake. I have called several times. I have asked "are they even looking for someone". The woman was quite rude so I have stopped calling the cops alltogether. She said, "No they are just patrolling and they can do it whenever they want".

I looked into these patrolling choppers and they cost the city several million every year.

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Visduh Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:14 p.m.

What, you want to stop the fly-boys from their joyriding? Don't you understand that people will die when those birds don't fly? Yep, civic meltdown in progress. Just wait for the next installments.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:16 p.m.

Response to post #1: I agree: the public's screams should be more indignant and louder. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:18 p.m.

Response to post #2: That's what I'm paid to do. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:19 p.m.

Response to post #4: My errors. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:21 p.m.

Response to post #5: I agree. Things are getting insane -- particularly what some leaders apparently believe the City of San Diego, which is insolvent, can afford. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:24 p.m.

Response to post #6: Are you fearful of some shenanigans with mail-in ballots? Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:26 p.m.

Response to post #7: Or he got a big thumbs-down from SD citizens for the blatant scams he has been pulling -- the Sacramento caper, the town hall propaganda meetings, etc. Best, Don Bauder

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Burwell Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:27 p.m.

It's going to get real ugly very soon. When the sales tax increase fails, Pudge Sanders is going to have to start earning his salary. He's going to have to start firing people and use liposuction to suck the fat out of City Hall. He is going to have to approach the unions and ask them to take a real pay cut, perhaps 20% or more. If the unions balk, he'll have to fire hundreds. The lard asses in the Police Department are going to have to give up their cushy desk jobs and try to squeeze themselves back into a uniform so they can patrol the streets and earn their pay.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:27 p.m.

Response to post #8: Maybe they have read what you have been sending to the Reader and are planning retaliation. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:29 p.m.

Response to post #9: That's what Sanders's lackeys warn. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:48 p.m.

We have the election in less than two weeks, Carl DeMaio has a huge crew fighting Measure D, including phone banks.

I don't think for a second, in this economic meltdown, the thing has a snowballs chance in hell of passing. The public is onto the pension scam, and they won't be fooled by the safety whoppers, or Sanders.

I think Sanders credibility with the San Diego public is zero.

Just my feeling.

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patflannery Oct. 20, 2010 @ 8:56 p.m.

Don: So you also think that Seiler may be leaking the mail-ins to Krvaric and Sanders as a running poll? Is there any way we can find out? Is there not some on-going independent supervision of the mail-in count? Has Seiler sole custody of it? Was that why our Republican Supes hired her? We know that her ex-employer, Diebold is an extention of the GOP.

Like you I had assumed it was why Sanders had taken to the road with his Town Hall Halloween Show, but I had hoped it was because Seiler was tipping him that Prop D was losing badly.

Now you've got me worried that maybe he was a no-show because she is telling him that it is winning by a wide margin. But somehow I can't see that.

Maybe he is getting ready to resign if D goes down in flames. Wouldn't that be nice. Maybe his wife can see the writing on the wall and will pull him out of the game if it gets too rough. Wives do that you know.

PS. Thanks for the link and quote.

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historymatters Oct. 20, 2010 @ 10:02 p.m.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4540

There is no real supervision. I looked into it. Seiler IS the supervision. Thats the problem. This guy in the link above has done an excellent job following San Diegos election scam.

The real question is how they got away w/ hiring these 2 to run things. In Ohio it was citizens that went dumpster diving and discovered Vu and his crew were dumping 1000s of ballots.

Thats the beauty of mailing it in early.

Also there was a note in the log books a few years ago from seiler telling people at the registrars office not to worry about ballot boxes being dropped off w/ no seals....as if there is ANYTHING else that prevents people from throwing ballots away.

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historymatters Oct. 20, 2010 @ 10:07 p.m.

Here are a few good quotes from publications on our election system....

Citybeat: 'And that's it' By Kelly Davis Former Diebold Sales Rep Becomes Registrar of Voters in San Diego County dismisses critics of elections-office hires A year ago, an audit by an independent elections review board described Vu's handling of Cuyahoga County 's May 2006 primary as an "across-the-board failure." Sacramento Bee Citizen Blog Spot http://citizensboe. blogspot. com/2007/05/back-to-vu-san-diego-cas-whole. html "Seiler's hiring was the second decision by the county in the last month or so to raise questions from election watchdogs." Wired Magazine "Joining Seiler in the San Diego elections office is another election official beleaguered by controversy -- Michael Vu. Until recently, Vu was the elections director in Cuyahoga County in Ohio . He resigned in the wake of a number of critical reports depicting problems with how his office conducted elections and how machines made by Diebold performed. His resignation also followed the conviction of two election workers in his office who were found guilty of rigging a recount in the 2004 presidential election. Vu was recently made assistant registrar of voters in San Diego ." Wired Magazine http://blog. wired. com/27bstroke6/2007/05/former_diebold_. html

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historymatters Oct. 20, 2010 @ 10:15 p.m.

and here is the quote from the north County Times in 2007....

AUGUST 2007

http://www. nctimes. com/articles/2007/08/12/perspective/21_25_528_10_07. txt

"The e-voting experiment will not end quietly. ... The county is trying to maintain its iron grip on elections by ensuring secret vote-counting continues in the guise of optical scanners. After all, three members of the same Board of Supervisors that brought us the e-voting fiasco are facing re-election. Honest elections create uncertainty in those depending on them for power. To protect Diebold's interest in getting paid and the county's control over elections, look for the board to cut a deal with Diebold whereby the county abandons the touch-screens and buys Diebold's optical scanners at the same price as the more expensive touch-screens." (I believe this is exactly what happened)

I wrote a letter to secretary of state Bowen listing many many more reasons why we really needed some action regarding our election system. I received a letter back from Ms Bowen stating that the registrar was really in charge and there was little she could do.

Seiler did sue the state because she didnt think she should have to do a recount if the vote was 1% or closer and she luckily lost that case however the suit is indicative of a registrar w/ a "bad attitude". Watchdogs warn this is a big red flag.

They also warn that mail-ins are the least secure of all and that centralized tabulation is also a very bad sign. Seiler switched us to centralized tab and launched an aggressive campaign to get people to mail it in.

We really need to know exactly what happens to a ballot that is mailed in.

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a2zresource Oct. 20, 2010 @ 10:19 p.m.

RE comments on two consecutive mayoral no-shows at hiz honor's community meetings:

I still think our strong mayor is entrenched in the tower of power after the Court permitted Channel 10's records request in KESSLER V. CITY OF SAN DIEGO yesterday and allowed that media outlet access to hiz honor's recent deposition.

Has he been seen in public since then?

Logically, how is he supposed to react to being in a line-up with only one potential suspect?

It's not exactly something he's got prior experience at, having always been on the other side of the searchlight before...

In a mayoral context, things are in total damage control, and in his eyes, repeats of Monday night are something to be avoided at all costs. Perhaps there are ego issues on watching grand prior plans turn into some sort of fetid fecal matter.

RE settlement in KESSLER matter:

If Channel 10 has a copy of the deposition, then no amount of non-disclosure between named parties can stop everyone else from finding out what was said (and if video is included, how it was said under oath). After all, if Channel 10 can get it, then every media outlet that can pay for legal representation should be able to get it as well.

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 20, 2010 @ 11:20 p.m.

The excessive pay, benefits, and pensions of public employees – especially public employee union members – is bankrupting cities, counties, and states. Public employee union members are greatly overpaid because they often kick back as much as a thousand dollars in campaign contributions for every million dollars of excess pay, benefits, and pension increases they receive from dopey politicians giving away taxpayers’ money (OPM). The management side of public employees are given even higher compensation, to avoid “salary compaction” (salary compression).

This is especially true of sworn firefighters and police officers, whom receive $150,000 to $250,000 per year in virtually every muni in this state/

Lets see KFC Sanders spin those numbers into a scare tactic.

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 20, 2010 @ 11:30 p.m.

Now you've got me worried that maybe he was a no-show because she is telling him that it is winning by a wide margin. But somehow I can't see that.

I cannot for one second presume D is winning, even by just 1 point.

I am positive it is losing, and losing badly.

DeMaio ordered literally thousands of No on D signs, they were gone in 2 days, he had to order a bunch more.

He has the phone banks lined up and staffed (I'm doing this), with the first round of calls by the phone bank this past Monday, and more next week.

Opening mail in ballots before the election is election fraud, a felony, I doubt anyone would be that stupid, but I guess it is possible (this is the KFC Sanders admin)-then again Dumbass would be the one to bring charges and we know her record on bringing political felonies, her and KFC are in bed together.

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 6:08 a.m.

Response to post #19: Trouble is, when you say his credibility is zero, it may simply mean that most San Diegans have no opinion on these shenanigans. If so, that is a pity. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 6:13 a.m.

Response to post #20: Thanks to you, Pat, for your excellent post. I hope that Sanders is not showing up (he has missed two of the first three) because he realizes that San Diegans are wise to his scams -- the Sacramento caper, Li Mandri/Mannino, etc. -- and have figured out that Prop. D is merely an attempt to prop up pensions, and delay facing the inevitable bankruptcy filing so that Sanders can get out of office first. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 6:20 a.m.

Response to post #21: It is clear that San Diegans should be worried about the sanctity of the ballot box -- especially on Prop. D. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 6:23 a.m.

Response to post #22: These are very disturbing stories, particularly since Sanders so desperately needs Prop. D to give him time to finish his term and get out of office before the inevitable bankruptcy. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 6:25 a.m.

Response to post #23: Another disquieting article. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 6:28 a.m.

Response to post #24: Yes, if Channel 10 can get it, other media can, too. Will they? Doubtful. The mainstream media in San Diego are lapdogs. JW August at Channel 10, by contrast, is a bulldog. He will dig into this story. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 6:31 a.m.

Response to post #25: You are correct, and there is another factor: it is only phony accounting tricks permitting some municipalities and states to claim that they are solvent. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 6:33 a.m.

Response to post #26: From what I hear, you are correct. However, the subject at hand is whether the vote will be rigged. It is interesting to contemplate that. Best, Don Bauder

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Ponzi Oct. 21, 2010 @ 7:50 a.m.

Where do I sign the Recall Sanders petition?

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Ponzi Oct. 21, 2010 @ 7:55 a.m.

I would not be too confident about the measure failing. The San Diego Union Tribune runs spin control on Prop D almost every day. Many people, particularly the elderly, fall for fear fueled propaganda.

If Sanders could get the serfs to swallow the “strong mayor” Kool-aid, he has even better odds of scaring people into a tax increase.

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Visduh Oct. 21, 2010 @ 7:59 a.m.

We all hope that SurfPuppy is right and that this proposition is going to fail massively at the ballot box. It is very hard to steal an election when a landslide is going against you, as in impossible. But in a close contest, theft of an election becomes easier, perhaps a rather simple exercise if one side has ready access to the ballots.

I don't like mail-in balloting for a three reasons. First is that the cost of "verifying the ballots" is high. Second is that the verification is done in a secure location, i.e. behind a closed and locked door. Third is that it takes weeks to fully "verify" those ballots, and election results are often unclear for weeks after. This pattern locally of encouraging the physically able to sign up as permanent mail-in voters makes no sense, unless it is to open up the process to tampering and fraud.

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PricklyPear Oct. 21, 2010 @ 8:41 a.m.

So where do I get my RECALL SANDERS bumper sticker?

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Founder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 9:08 a.m.

Of our City Council only Carl DeMaio is at least Promoting a solution to our fiscal problems (I do not live in his District) and most of the rest are just trying to save their Political careers buy staying out of the Fiscal limelight, instead of doing what Carl is and asking TOUGH questions and NOT supporting Prop D for Dumb!!

We have all heard the "$PIN" that "Prop D is not going to solve this problem on its own. But it is the first step on the revenue side equation" but in reality it is just promoting for Prop D (for Dumb) which will only signal a bunch of new Taxes/User Fees which will LOWER the Quality of Life for everyone in San Diego that is not RICH and NOT SOLVE OUR FISCAL PROBLEMS...

Our City Council should be letting US know what SD needs to do to get back on firm fiscal footing WITHOUT CUTTING LIBRARY HOURS AND STAFF!

BTW: If our FF & PD had "guts" their members would collectively take the $72 Million Dollar "hit" and offer to "do it" for the good of THEIR City, instead of waiting for the City to "do it" for them... They sure have enjoyed the title of "Heros" now it's time for them (and their Big Unions) and EVEN our City Council to offer to take a reduction in Pay & Pension and not continue to hold the City of SD hostage any longer, so they can protect their Pensions!

Vote NO on Prop D and Put Our Leaders To Work

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 21, 2010 @ 9:08 a.m.

So where do I get my RECALL SANDERS bumper

He does indeed need to be recalled, the Spanos/Chargers backroom stadium deal was the last straw for many.................

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Ponzi Oct. 21, 2010 @ 9:38 a.m.

At Visduh,

I am a poll worker on election day. I never imagined myself sitting next to ladies helping hand out voter ballots, but I volunteered years ago and have taken every election Tuesday off to work the polls. It’s long hours for little money, but I do it for the enjoyment of being a part of the process.

I can sympathize with your concerns about mail-in ballots, but I don’t feel we are on a slippery slope to fraud. That would be accomplished much easier if they used computer voting. I have experienced the multiple steps and the checks and balances of the election process. I feel it would be extremely difficult to “rig” our elections. There are too many people involved, too many witnesses to get away with it. Someone would be bound to blow the whistle sooner or later. Remember, anyone who wants to recount the ballots or verify them can. Your ballot receipt can be used to call and see if your ballot was received and counted.

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Ponzi Oct. 21, 2010 @ 9:51 a.m.

Interestingly, a couple of years ago someone registered the Internet domain name “recall jerry sanders . Com” http://www.recalljerrysanders.com

They paid extra to hide the name of the owner by using a proxy registering service in Arizona. Was it a smart move on Jerry Sanders advisors or someone else? Only GoDaddy knows for sure.

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: RECALLJERRYSANDERS.COM Created on: 10-Jun-08 Expires on: 10-Jun-11 Last Updated on: 13-May-10

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paul Oct. 21, 2010 @ 10:01 a.m.

Don, A Correction: Pat reported that 2 crime lab DNA positions would be eliminated, not that the crime lab would close.

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Visduh Oct. 21, 2010 @ 10:22 a.m.

OK Ponzi, maybe there are more safeguards than are obvious. But I still fail to see why the registrar is encouraging more mail ballots when they are costly to handle. Do enough of them, and there is no verdict on election night, or the day after, or even the week after. It is a simple matter to head for one's polling place--most are within walking distance in most parts of this county--and vote there. Why mail it in? They claim that they cannot start processing, "verifying", or counting the mail ballots until the polls close. Something just doesn't smell right here.

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Ponzi Oct. 21, 2010 @ 10:33 a.m.

Visduh, the mail in ballots are pre-tallied. Those are the numbers you see first at 8:00 pm on election night when the polls close. 30% of the local voters are now voting by mail.

I'd be curious what your source is that supports the process costs more?

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a2zresource Oct. 21, 2010 @ 10:47 a.m.

RE "Yes, if Channel 10 can get it [copy of Sanders first KESSLER deposition], other media can, too. Will they? Doubtful. The mainstream media in San Diego are lapdogs."

The funny things about political lapdogs is that when they decide to jump off and leave, they sometimes leave something very private very exposed to the public.

At a certain point, the scandal in all of this lends itself to every local media outlet covering this or facing the prospect of being scooped by you on a regular basis. With your mention of at least one local media outlet going under recently, lagging in the juiciest fact-stranger-than-fiction story in town is not good for business for any news outlet, especially if owners' plans include a later sale to another media industry investor group in the long run.

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Founder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 12:41 p.m.

Our Mayor and most of our other Leaders are saying out of one side of their mouth that we are in big debt and need Prop D while at the same time they are saying out of the others side of their mouth we should be promoting for the new Guacamole Bowl which will cost between $500,000 and $1,000,000,000 dollars of the City's Redevelopment Money WHICH THEY CONTROL!

Prop D for Dumb will not solve our problems, SD needs to declare Bankruptcy A$AP, in order to get back on firm fiscal footing before our Leaders blow a BILLION Dollars on yet another $TADIUM, while they ask us to pay a bunch of higher taxes and new fees to protect their future Pensions!

What's wrong with that picture?

I'm calling on our City Council to "model the way" by offering to take a reduction in Pay & Pension and not continue to hold the City of SD hostage any longer!

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Founder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 12:43 p.m.

Reply #42 How about something similar?

www.recallmayorsanders.com

+ Plenty of others are available!

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a2zresource Oct. 21, 2010 @ 12:57 p.m.

Think about it. All of the media HAS to get on board... the San Diego news market is so competitive that they even made a movie about it:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0357413/


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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 21, 2010 @ 2:25 p.m.

We're 12 days out from the election, I hope it comes fast b/c I am sick of these political commercials, and I am sick of the spin I see on all the propisitions.

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a2zresource Oct. 21, 2010 @ 2:56 p.m.

Instead of real commercials, have fun watching this spoof of a Ron Burgundy sequel trailer:


Like I said, the news market here can be COMPETITIVE!

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Visduh Oct. 21, 2010 @ 4:25 p.m.

Response to #45:

I tried to apply logic to the situation. If you have mail-in balloting and polling places for the same election, the county has to pay to have the polls: staff, transportation costs, and rental for the sites. At the polls it is a simple matter for neighbors to keep an eye on neighbors, and if some bogus person shows up and says "I am Jane Doe of 1234 Walk Avenue" the attempted fraud might be noted by a neighbor and the ballot challenged. Simple and cheap. When the ballot arrives by mail, they claim to have to look at the voter registration forms and compare signatures. That takes time and the people at the registrar's office are those typically overpaid, slow moving employees. That is, comparatively speaking, more costly. Or so it would seem to me.

A better all round approach to me is the idea of getting one's ballot early and getting it ready a day or two before the day of the election. Then, take it to the polling place and drop it off, verifying identity then and there.

I have ANOTHER reason for disliking mail-in voting. People are making decisions about how to vote, not at the end of the campaign season, but near its start. We have that period of time for voters to hear the arguments from both sides of issues, and it also provides a time for investigative reporters to dig up "dirt" on candidates and ballot measure support, along with bloggers and others to be heard. Make your decision and cast your ballot, say, three weeks out, and you're voting too soon.

The advantages of mail-in voting are just not apparent, except for the physically challenged or those out of the area temporarily. So, why is it being pushed so hard in SD County?

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Ponzi Oct. 21, 2010 @ 5:12 p.m.

Visduh, they only pay $50 (a day) for the polling locations. They double up on precincts, putting two or three under one ($50) roof. They use less poll workers in smaller elections. There are rules about the minumum number of people that can man en election, with 4 being the minimum.

The voter pays postage if they mail in their ballot. Some may not realize it, but postage is one of businesses largest operating expenses. The ROV doesn’t pay postage.

Mail ballot voting costs 1/3 to ½ of the expense for polls and staff.

Mail ballot have increased voter participation because people don’t have to go to the polls - taking time off work, driving or just forgetting… avoid having to vote at night or after work.

Mail ballot permit more time for people to study the issue and be thoughtful about what they are voting for. Some people forget their sample ballot and vote for the wrong thing when they get to the poll, mail in ballot eliminates that mistake… they can vote while drinking coffee - or having a beer - in the privacy of their own home and not feel rushed or pressured.

It does what it was originally intended to do too. Get servicemen or families who are overseas to vote, or people eon vacation, or in a hospitable, rehab, half-way house, or even jail - if they are entitled to vote, but can’t get to the polls, mail in ballots are getting the vote collected.

If people with a mail in ballot want to vote at the poll anyway, they can. They surrender their ballot and get whatever party they want…

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 21, 2010 @ 5:13 p.m.

I have ANOTHER reason for disliking mail-in voting. People are making decisions about how to vote, not at the end of the campaign season, but near its start.

Not true really.

Whitman has been out there for at least 9 months, Brown at least 6, and most campaigns have been in full swing for several months.

Absentee/mail in ballots are usually not mailed out until 4-6 weeks before hand, and in the election where Mike Aguiree lost his re election bid for CA the ballots arrived just a week or so beofre the elections. I got mine so late I could not mail it in and had to vote in person. The stupid thing came literally a few days before the election-and me and many others were fuming over it.

I also tend to think-or guess really-that people who have absentee/mail ballots are more up on the issues, at least the people I know.

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 21, 2010 @ 6:39 p.m.

The voter pays postage if they mail in their ballot. Some may not realize it, but postage is one of businesses largest operating expenses. The ROV doesn’t pay postage.

================ And they use that oversized envelope so you must use more than 1 stamp.

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 21, 2010 @ 6:42 p.m.

If people with a mail in ballot want to vote at the poll anyway, they can. They surrender their ballot and get whatever party they want…

================= As I said in an earlier post, I had to do this during the Mike Aguirre re election vote because the ROV mailed out the ballots too late to have them mailed back in time to get counted.

People may not know this, but if you vote absentee, by mail, if your mailed in ballot arrives after the polls close, it is not counted.

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Ponzi Oct. 21, 2010 @ 7:56 p.m.

Good point Surf Puppy. It doesn’t matter if it’s postmarked before on election day, it has to be in the ROV’s possession at (or before) 8:00 pm. If you wait until the last minute, drive you ballot to any precinct and have them put it in the ballot box. A mail-in ballot dropped off at the prescient on election is just treated sort of like “internal mail.” It just takes a ride in the ballot box to the ROV when the polls closes.

No doubt a lot of people think their vote will count if it’s “postmarked” by election day, but that’s not the case. It gets tossed if it’s not there on time.

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 9:02 p.m.

Response to posts #s 35 and 36: If Prop. D wins with U-T's propaganda wooing the populace, you can forget about recalling Sanders. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 9:08 p.m.

Response to post #s37-42: We don't know how the public has reacted to the late-night Sacramento theft. Recall? We need to know more. Remember, 20% of sports fans are utter fanatics, and they vote. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 9:10 p.m.

Response to post #43: You're right. Mea culpa. That's three errors in this one, which I wrote entirely too fast, when I was tired. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 9:13 p.m.

Response to posts #s 44 and 45: We all need some more information on this controversy. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 9:16 p.m.

Response to post #46: We've had a couple of media outlets go under of late: SDNN and Gay & Lesbian Times, to name two. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 9:21 p.m.

Response to posts #s 47-51: Sanders destroyed his own case for Prop. D by helping honcho the late-night Sacramento scam which could hand $700 million the city doesn't have to the Chargers. This slimy move shattered any logic behind Prop. D. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2010 @ 9:25 p.m.

Response to posts #s 52-57: Good point. One problem with voting early is that last-minute revelations could have less impact than they should. Best, Don Bauder

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Anon92107 Oct. 22, 2010 @ 4:41 a.m.

Response to posts #s 58:

Don, why do the majority of San Diego voters keep proving that they are brain-dead stupid by allowing themselves to be influenced by corrupt political ads and U-T editorials that have bankrupted San Diego?

The fact is that San Diego politicians are no better than City of Bell politicians that used to prey on voters there, except that San Diegans have allowed three Mayors (Golding, Murphy and Sanders) and their councils to bankrupt San Diego with no end in sight.

No one seems to notice that Sanders is exactly like Rizzo in every way possible, yet the majority of voters in San Diego continue to idolize Sanders because the U-T tells them to.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2010 @ 7:10 a.m.

Response to post #65: One could write a book on this topic. San Diego is controlled by real estate developers, who own, literally, most of the councilmembers and mayors. The mainstream media know this, but hide it. Best, Don Bauder

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Founder Oct. 22, 2010 @ 9:39 a.m.

Reply #65 & #66

The UT and most other local media need Business Advertising to survive, so they are VERY careful not to step on any Business TOE$.

The On-Line Reader and other local web Blogs are now the remaining sources for what's really happening in San Diego. To compound this slant, the City Commissions are now being populated by members "chosen" for their track record of compliance by either the Councilmembers or the Mayor, in order to put a Happy Face on our "Fiscal Fiasco"...

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Founder Oct. 22, 2010 @ 10:25 a.m.

  • Fiscal Fiasco -*

Our elected Leaders say, "Services must be cut" Now they're asking all of us, to determine just what

They say, "Our City is in terrible Debt" All the while, they are making a back door bet

They're getting the OK, to spend a Billion on a new Bowl While suggesting, huge layoffs and putting workers on the dole

I know all this money double talk sounds crazy, but it is true If you don't believe me, just wait until someone, decides to sue

Our City is now being sold out and is something we will all miss As our Leaders protect their Pensions and push US into the abyss

If you are just wondering, if there's anything you can do, to stop this irk Tell all to VOTE NO ON PROP D & PUT OUR CITY LEADERS TO WORK

*from: http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs...

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Anon92107 Oct. 22, 2010 @ 10:58 a.m.

Response to post #66:

Apparently Rizzo was supposed to fill in for Sanders at the last two meetings because no one would notice the difference between him and Sanders, but Rizzo's ankle alarm keeps going off when he gets too close to the border.

Hopefully Sanders will have to share a cell with Rizzo and/or wear and ankle bracelet someday soon himself.

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 22, 2010 @ 11:42 a.m.

Apparently Rizzo was supposed to fill in for Sanders at the last two meetings because no one would notice the difference between him and Sanders, but Rizzo's ankle alarm keeps going off when he gets too close to the border.

====================================

:) !!!

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HonestGovernment Oct. 22, 2010 @ 11:47 a.m.

Can't resist posting this here, too: Jerry didn't show up for the last two town halls because he is busy at home putting on his uniform. The Oct 28 meeting is at the War Memorial Building, and he'll be there in full dress. http://www.sandiego.gov/citycouncil/cd3/pdf/101020.pdf

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2010 @ 12:16 p.m.

Response to post #67: Is anybody sane in San Diego government? The grand jury says that the City should get ready to file a bankruptcy petition. A task force set up by Mayor Jerry Sanders, and consisting of establishment members, concluded that the City should consider bankruptcy last year. The mayor backs a tax increase, claiming it might relieve some of the infrastructure and maintenance inadequacies and restore normal police and fire protection, when everybody knows it will just go into pensions. So what does the mayor do? He is one of three conspirators who sneak through a Sacramento scam that will lead to the City giving at least $500 million, and probably more like $700 million, to a professional football team owned by a billionaire. Very few people in town seem to notice this. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2010 @ 12:19 p.m.

Responses to post #68: Note that the pensions of those who are cutting back services -- including fire and police services -- are not being cut. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2010 @ 12:23 p.m.

Response to post #69: Yeah, but it would have to be the DA prosecuting. It won't happen. Sanders and other establishment-manipulated pols have carte blanche from the DA. They could gun somebody down in her presence and she would look the other way. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2010 @ 12:28 p.m.

Response to post #70: Of which Rizzo are you folks speaking? Philadelphia's Frank Rizzo, Ratso Rizzo or Rizzo the Rat? Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2010 @ 12:29 p.m.

Response to post #71: In full dress, as J. Edgar Hoover was in full dress? Best, Don Bauder

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Founder Oct. 22, 2010 @ 12:32 p.m.

Reply #71 - #74

Spend San Diego Money on San Diego, not $panos

BTW: My copy of the above flyer only had 4 groups, where as this link now has 2 more "groups" that have now been added to the $HORT list!

Why is the Guacamole Bowl and reducing PEN$ION$ not listed?

Again, not providing the complete list is just such "Poor Politics"...

Here is the latest on our Debacle: http://www.sandiego.gov/citycouncil/cd3/pdf/101020.pdf

I'm just wondering how many will soon be writing in:

Vote for Recall, Not Prop D...

Where is Robin Hood, when we really need him?

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2010 @ 4:23 p.m.

Response to post #77: Reverse Robin Hood is at his same outpost in Sherwood Forest, figuring ways for redevelopment funds to be steered to real estate moguls without the required elimination of blight and providing of affordable housing. Best, Don Bauder

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historymatters Oct. 24, 2010 @ 8:37 p.m.

http://www.sdcitybeat.com/sandiego/article-8307-discouraging-democracy.html#commAjax Great article in citybeat about more recent suspicious behavior by seiler and the registrar of voters.

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historymatters Oct. 24, 2010 @ 8:48 p.m.

@V Elections are not hard to rig. We know w/o a doubt that the Ohio and florida presidental elections were rigged. Also the registrar controls the whole process. If she wants to control an election she can. She determines what voters are legit and which ones are not. For all we know we could have 10s of 1000s of fake voters or people that are registered twice and dont know it. They could stuff the boxes w/ fake ballots. They could dump the ballots. At the polls in 08 I noticed the seals on the boxes were so loose you could lift them up and pull ballots out. Do you know who drives the ballots to the registrar where they are counted?

If we were not rigging our election then why in the world did they choose to hire Micheal vu from Ohio 2004 where people under him are in jail for voter fraud". im sorry I think we are being naive if we think the money isnt trying to literally buy electio results.

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Twister Oct. 24, 2010 @ 10:14 p.m.

"Community Forums" are themselves a scam and a fraud. People should show up alright, to stand outside and protest the absurdity of such Punch 'n Judy shows.

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Ponzi Oct. 25, 2010 @ 12:11 p.m.

@ historymatters,

I don't think elections are rigged. But they are bought.

If California wakes up Wednesday, November 3rd with Meg and Fiorina victorious, California is in for one long hangover.

Same for San Diego and Prop D. If it passes, I won’t blame any “rigging” on it, just admit that critical thinking is a lost skill and manipulating people is easier than ever.

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Don Bauder Oct. 25, 2010 @ 9:53 p.m.

Response to post #79: I will have to check that out. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 25, 2010 @ 9:56 p.m.

Response to post #80: Election-rigging has long been a part of American history -- the ugly side of it. Why San Diego hired those two has always been a mystery to me. If there was no intention to rig elections, why hire two with such reputations? Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 25, 2010 @ 9:58 p.m.

Response to post #81: Agreed -- particularly when they are blatant propaganda sessions. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 25, 2010 @ 10 p.m.

Response to post #82: Of course elections are bought -- almost all of the important ones these days. But many have been rigged through the years, too -- including recent years. Best, Don Bauder

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