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San Diegans have a misconception that progressives Marco Gonzalez, Cory Briggs, and Donna Frye launched the movement to oust Mayor Filner for his treatment of women.

Right after the negotiations that led to Filner's decision to resign, on August 29, city attorney Jan Goldsmith, bursting with pride and self-gratification that he had gotten rid of his enemy, told a local TV station (KUSI) that he had been working on this ouster for eight months. He said he went the forced-resignation route because recalls require the gathering of so many signatures in just a short period of time. Thus, the city attorney worked for eight months in an ouster did that not permit the mayor due process.

He said he knew on January 2 that Filner had to go, and on February really began strategizing in earnest. His office hired a psychologist. It certainly appears that during those eight month, Goldsmith — who is closely allied with the downtown corporate welfare crowd — settled on sexual harassment as the vehicle for forcing the mayor out.

Goldsmith has always been a corporate-welfare toady; Filner won the election by emphasizing that money should go to infrastructure and the neighborhoods, rather than downtown.

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FatCatSegat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 8:13 a.m.

Hmmmm, isn't the city attorney voted in by,....oop!,...us? See you at the polls racoon boy. Whomever follows Filner's roadmap, (sans groping and such) from infrastructure to medicinal marijuana gets my vote in the mayoral race. Hey Don, when is the city atty's term up?

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:25 a.m.

FatCatSegat: Goldsmith is termed out. But he can be kept from holding any other office. He possibly can be prosecuted for this -- but won't be. This is San Diego. Best, Don Bauder

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rehftmann Oct. 18, 2013 @ 8:51 a.m.

I'm completely befuddled by the legal situation here. Filner pleads guilty to what? And Goldsmith's job was to defend him from what? What happened to all the alleged victims?What miracle of jurisprudence joined them? This is possibly the best protection from the curse of history repeating itself… no history, continuous befuddlement. (Predatory plutocrats plunder best under the 'fuddle cloud of their own making.)

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:27 a.m.

rehftmann: This is why this is a show trial. To what did Goldsmith really plead guilty to? Details are very skimpy. We don't know the names of the women, who were not city employees. The women haven't been identified or cross-examined. It smells that the AG, sheriff, city attorney, and US Attorney have been involved in this intergovernmental lynching. Best, Don Bauder

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KLoEditor Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:49 a.m.

Think you meant Filner here. I wish Goldsmith had been the guy in the docket, alas, no, not this time.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:08 a.m.

KLoEditor: Yes, mea culpa. I meant "To what did Filner really plead guilty to?" And I agree: Goldsmith should have been charged, not Filner. I repeat: what Filner did was wrong, but the intergovernmental lynching has far more ugly repercussions for society and San Diego. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:32 a.m.

Filner's guilty plea was widely covered in the media, so no need to explain it here. He copped a plea to avoid worse punishment, and that was a wise move.

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Carrie Away Oct. 18, 2013 @ 8:56 a.m.

There was talk this troll for the downtown good ole boys was going to run for Mayor himself! God help us all!

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:29 a.m.

Carrie Away: Oh yes. He wanted to be mayor. That was probably what was behind his making these staggeringly stupid statements...and obviously being proud of his actions. Goldsmith is not known for his acuity. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:42 a.m.

Was there ever "talk" from Goldsmith himself that he would run for Mayor? If so, please post that video, or a quote from a news article. I sure didn't see it, and I live in San Diego (unlike the blogger).

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:09 a.m.

dwbat: Yes, there were polls showing Goldsith's support for mayor. Best, Don Bauder

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enzo Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:11 a.m.

Jan needs to get a new rug for his head. The one he has now looks like something you would find at the Halloween section at Big Lots.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:30 a.m.

enzo: That's something Filner pointed out -- and was probably one reason that Goldsmith was planning the ouster for eight months. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 20, 2013 @ 9:02 a.m.

I think we're all in agreement here about his bad hairpiece. But it doesn't make him a co-conspirator in a high-level government plot or "palace coup."

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ImJustABill Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:23 a.m.

Nice article Don; I certainly believe that Goldsmith and others were plotting to remove Filner (as are virtually all politically opposed politicians).

Filner is still completely to blame for what happened.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:34 a.m.

ImJustABill: But you are not addressing the key question: if all these women, and all these politicians, knew what they now say they knew before the election, why in the world didn't somebody bring it out? Their credibility is zero. Yes, Filner brought it on; his behavior was not excusable. But an intergovernmental, illegal lynching -- kept secret from the public -- is far more serious than what Filner did. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:51 a.m.

My theory - based on reports such as http://articles.latimes.com/2013/aug/06/local/la-me-ln-filner-boss-20130806 is that people behind the scenes did try to get Filner to change his behavior but he would not do so.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 1:25 p.m.

ImJustABill: There were other articles that Frye et al tried to get Filner to change his behavior. They didn't give him much time, though. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:28 a.m.

OK, Goldsmith is not the most admirable guy in city government. E.g., the ridiculous "chalk trial" was a disgrace and waste of city time/money. But, as he says in that video, "there was no coup d'état" (as has been alleged over and over ad nauseam without any proof by a Reader blogger). I agree with Goldsmith on that statement. And Filner did get his due process, regardless of what Filner's fanboys have whined about. However, the city charter needs to be changed, to make it easier to remove any future mayor who engages in horrendous personal (and criminal) behavior like Filner did.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:42 a.m.

dwbat: Filner should have said that there WAS a coup. And he was involved in it. And the implications of that coup are far more serious than what Filner did. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:35 a.m.

Regardless of what the Colorado blogger screams about with steam coming out of his ears, there was no "intergovernmental lynching" here. Repeating it does not make it true.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:11 a.m.

dwbat: Of course there was an intergovernmental lynching. Why do you think the city attorney, AG, US Attorney, sheriff were all involved in this? Wake up, child. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 20, 2013 @ 12:31 p.m.

Mr. Batterson, you seriously need to learn what really happened instead of relying on the Mafia account in the news media which they own.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 5:01 p.m.

John Kitchin: This is San Diego's problem. Because there is usually just one story put forward by the mainstream press -- which has all kinds of interconnections and working agreements -- people don't really know what happened in an incident. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 9:56 a.m.

Remember, folks. The Reader blogger's views are his own personal opinions, and do not represent the Reader itself. So take them with a big grain of salt. Repetition of claims, as with annoying TV commercials, doesn't mean they are necessarily true. Our freedom of speech and press is a wonderful thing. But it means bloggers don't have to prove anything. They write something, and then post it.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:12 a.m.

dwbat: That is so true of you. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 20, 2013 @ 12:32 p.m.

Continually being irritating and irrational is no way to have people accept your tired rhetoric again and again. You sound like News 8. Get a life!

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 5:03 p.m.

John Kitchin: The TV stations tend to spout the same line -- a line that pleases top managements. Best, Don Bauder

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Visduh Oct. 18, 2013 @ 10 a.m.

On one hand we might be gratified that Goldsmith was taking on wrongdoing by hiring that psychologist. But it was not his office that could have gone after Filner--that would have been the role of the DA or the attorney general. So, if Goldsmith used taxpayer funds to start an investigation/campaign that he could not complete, his actions were abusive. Whatever he knew should have been immediately passed along to one or both of those "higher" authorities.

This still fails to explain how/why, if Goldsmith was the orchestrator of this coup, he managed to enlist Donna Frye and others to go public with the denunciations. I doubt that they were so foolish and naive as to be lured into something that was baseless. She especially would not be a party to a huge conspiracy sponsored by the GOP. In an analogous manner, it is most unlikely that Goldsmith tricked Kamala Harris, Democrat state attorney general, to join such a conspiracy.

Now, dwbat, if you want to disagree with Don Bauder, you can do that. I often do. I more often agree with him. You can probably see that he and I have some differences in this matter. But I don't insult him or his journalistic abilities and he doesn't take shots at me because we differ. We've corresponded for years, going back long before he joined the Reader, and he knows who I am, and quite a lot about me.

I'd suggest some de-escalation of the rhetoric.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:17 a.m.

Visduh: I do not believe Goldsmith enlisted Frye, Briggs, and Gonzalez. I think they were running on a different track...and got into this long after the downtown crew was working on it. Did Frye et al know that Goldsmith was planning this coup for eight months? I don't know. Their interviews suggest they were not aware.

What's important is this: we must find out all the people that Goldsmith met with while he was planning his coup beginning in January/February. Did he only meet with his lawyers? I wouldn't believe that in a million years. This was a coup by the downtown corporate welfare people, at whose altar Goldsmith bows. Frye, Briggs, and Gonzalez were a sideshow. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill Oct. 18, 2013 @ 12:01 p.m.

For the record I'll state that my personal take is that Don Bauder is a great journalist and for the most part his columns are a great benefit to the San Diego community.

However, I strongly disagree with Don regarding his continued defense of Bob Filner and portraying this issue as a coup / lynch mob.

I'll apologize for a few comments I've made in past threads which were a bit over the top in criticizing Don on this matter.

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 12:44 p.m.

No need to apologize, ImJustABill. Remember, the Reader blogger LOVES the attention from those who disagree with him. It boosts his ego. And his cuckoo "coup" and lingering "lynch mob" comments will continue long after we have a new Mayor elected. He IS a good journalist, when he sticks to straight news articles and leaves out his opinions. It's those pontificating blog reports where it all goes downhill. But he'll never change.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 1:28 p.m.

ImJustABill: You are perfectly entitled to disagree with my theory. Many do. I believe as time goes on and the hysteria evanesces, more will agree. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 20, 2013 @ 12:36 p.m.

Don Bauder has it entirely correct, a very large amount of evidence exists towards allegations of Felony Intentional Obstruction of Justice, and when the authorities finish their investigation of Goldsmith, I expect either criminal charges to be filed, or his disbarment as an attorney. I cannot comment further as this is an ongoing investigation.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 5:07 p.m.

John Kitchin: I am not aware of any such investigation. Since local, state, and federal governments all cooperated in the intergovernmental coup, I would seriously doubt there is any investigation. Who would investigate? They all have unclean hands. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 12:55 p.m.

The Colorado blogger's constant harangue about a "coup by the downtown corporate welfare people" does NOT represent good journalism. It's sheer hyperbole from a registered Democrat and Filner apologist, not backed up by any evidence whatsoever. So the many outrageous claims in his blog need to be challenged; it's a tough job but someone has to do it. ;-)

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 1:30 p.m.

dwbat: More nonsense from an amateur -- you. Best, Don Bauder

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Emory_Kendrick Oct. 18, 2013 @ 2:33 p.m.

Please.....stay on the topic and off your personal bandwagon

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 3:17 p.m.

Emory_Kendrick: Agreed. Let's stick with a discussion of what Goldsmith admits to engineering -- indeed, proudly admits to it. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 20, 2013 @ 12:40 p.m.

I assume this was directed to David Batterson (DW Bat) and not Don Bauder.

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John Kitchin Oct. 20, 2013 @ 12:39 p.m.

You still have not apparently read material that I specifically published for your education, DW Bat or David Batterson. Please read it, learn it, agree or disagree with it but LEARN, dammit! www.NZ9F.com/intelligence. This is for YOU, not everybody. You are too intelligent to be acting so stupid.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 5:10 p.m.

John Kitchin: That is quite an essay. Throughout our lives, we realize that things we were taught, and took as gospel, were b.s. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 28, 2013 @ 8:03 p.m.

Not all of us learned, as is being constantly proven here.

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 10:35 a.m.

DA Bonnie Dumanis had to recuse herself. That's why the AG got involved--not because of any so-called "coup" as declared by others. So I'm glad you are dismissing the conspiracy nonsense. The person who took down Filner was a man named Filner. Period.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:19 a.m.

dwbat: Remember that Gloria Allred went to the AG and the sheriff to enlist their support. But as I have said before, Dumanis recused herself because she had run against Filner. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 20, 2013 @ 12:42 p.m.

Most idiotic comment in the thread, but threads are made out of combinations of all sorts, and we were all very unintelligent at one time, but learned gradually.

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John Kitchin Oct. 20, 2013 @ 12:43 p.m.

This was directed to DW Bat, David Batterson, not Don Bauder.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 5:12 p.m.

John Kitchin: Good observation. And some of us learned more gradually than others did. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:03 a.m.

It will prove interesting if an investigation of Sunroad's $100,000 "donation" to the City results in any criminal charges against Filner or his staff. Stay tuned.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:21 a.m.

dwbat: Yes, the US Attorney is definitely looking into a Hobbs Act violation over the Sunroad donation. Nobody says that any of this money went into Filner's pocket. This is civil, not criminal, and it's not clear that Filner was the guilty party in any case. Best, Don Bauder

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laplayaheritage Oct. 18, 2013 @ 7:58 p.m.

City Beat did a great article on the Sunroad setup by Goldsmith that documented the fraud that the City Council gave away the 2 public park easement for free based upon bad legal advise.

Great reporting specifically the missing Council Policy pages by Sunroad. All Agenda Item documents stated that No Fiscal Considerations existed for the giveaway of 2 public park easement.

After the Veto, in order to cover their mistake of gift of public land to developers, the City Attorney wrote a legal opinion and turned the issue into spin. The City Attorney concluded that Fiscal Considerations have to be acknowledged, and the easement can only be sold at the going rate.

Instead of acknowledging the initial Sunroad fraud, the City Attorney turn the issue of public park land giveaway around into Pay for Play. Classic San Diego.

Thankfully Cory Briggs has a lawsuit to force payment and/or proper restitution from Sunroad and the City Council. Hopefully the FBI will investigate the scam.

http://www.sdcitybeat.com/sandiego/article-11948-a-broader-view-of-filners-‘shakedown-of-sunroad.html

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 6:35 a.m.

laplayaheritage: That's what Goldsmith does all the time: turns an issue into spin. Because he is an establishment toady, the mainstream media do not call him on it. Best, Don Bauder

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Burwell Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:13 a.m.

When Kamala Harris was DA in San Francisco she looked the other way while Gavin Newsom became involved with and was photographed drinking in bars with underage girls. Harris became sexually involved with an elderly man in order to benefit her career. She obtained a BMW and positions on state boards as Willie Brown's paramour. Harris likely undertook Filner's prosecution with the expectation she would find a new source of political funds to bankroll her political career. She obviously lacks scruples.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:23 a.m.

Burwell: I definitely feel that this whole Filner matter merits a look into the sex lives of other public officials, including Harris, who so piously denounced Filner. I think there are some prominent businesspeople in San Diego, including some in the publishing business, whose sex lives would be far more interesting and damning than Filner's. Best, Don Bauder

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Carrie Away Oct. 18, 2013 @ 7:28 p.m.

Might you consider, Oh great muckraker Bauder, a "juicy expose" on some people in the SD publishing business and I am not referring to Papa Reader but to the fishwrap Master of Mission Valley and his Russian mail order bride? You could call it "25 Shades of Scarlett."

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 6:44 a.m.

Carrie Away: I am not necessarily alluding to the person you call the fishwrap Master of Mission Valley. Just a few weeks ago, I did an article on his Siberian bride-to-be. The article did not conclude that she was a mail order bride when marrying her ex-husband. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 2:59 p.m.

So in your theory, a Democratic AG takes down our Democratic Mayor to get fundraising dollars. From who?--the GOP? From Doug Manchester? The theory is bogus.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 3:20 p.m.

dwbat: Burwell's theory is hardly bogus. Politicians of both parties like to get fat donations from those who favor the other side. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 7:28 p.m.

dwbat: It's from WHOM, Mr. Perfect Professional. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:32 a.m.

The stated "prominent businesspeople in San Diego" are not public officials. Duh!

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 1:31 p.m.

dwbat: But they run things in San Diego and merit exposure. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard Oct. 18, 2013 @ 12:23 p.m.

Those who want to leave their keyboards and personally experience the sort of shocking behavior that brought Filner down can check out the Psycholizard show at the Tiki House, 7-9pm tonight. Be sure to identify yourself by internet handle. Groping and kissing is not guaranteed, unless you're the perp of course.

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 12:34 p.m.

The Reader blogger/Filner apologist won't make it, unless he can charter a LearJet from mile-high Colorado, where he can see San Diego from his house. ;-)

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Duhbya Oct. 18, 2013 @ 1:28 p.m.

Speaking of houses, a few of us have pooled our resources and rented you some new digs. Nice place, no bothersome neighbors as we know you value your solitude. Check it out, it's at 123 Goa Way.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 1:33 p.m.

Duhbya: He promised to end the discussion but keeps prolonging it. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 3:22 p.m.

Duhbya: You are the great punster here. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 2:50 p.m.

Nice to hear from you, Duhbya. I never made any "promise" to the Colorado blogger, so I don't know what he's ranting about now. And I already have a nice place in North Park with friendly neighbors. There's no solitude whatsoever; you're apparently confusing me with someone else. I meet new people all the time in North Park, as I'm out and about in my community, talking to real people in person--not hanging out in another state. That's why I KNOW there was never any "hysteria" in San Diego during Filnergate. It did not exist, and those who say so are misinformed and somewhat out of touch with our fine city.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 3:26 p.m.

dwbat: The proof of the hysteria is in your own blog items -- and the items of some others. One said Filner's sins -- which only involved sexual preliminaries, as far as we know -- were worse than Weiner's. Now that's hysteria.

If you want evidence of hysteria, just go back and read U-T coverage of the Filner matter. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 1:32 p.m.

Psycholizard: You mean there will be kissing? Horrors! Best, Don Bauder

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shirleyberan Oct. 18, 2013 @ 1 p.m.

Don - Small wonder you left San Diego.

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shirleyberan Oct. 18, 2013 @ 1:27 p.m.

Don - I should say - no wonder you moved but thanks for not leaving.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 1:38 p.m.

shirleyberan: My leaving San Diego had nothing to do with journalism. My continuing to follow San Diego for the Reader had everything to do with journalism: I enjoy it, particularly when I -- and Reader colleagues such as Matt Potter and Dorian Hargrove -- reveal things that can't be read in other San Diego publications. Best, Don Bauder

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jrdad Oct. 18, 2013 @ 2:28 p.m.

Don - Please know that your thoughts and opinions are enjoyed by many. Don't worry about the negative comments from a few that may just need a little fiber in their diet. jrdad

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 2:53 p.m.

Plenty of fiber is consumed over here. You must be referring to someone else. But thanks for thinking of my health.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 3:28 p.m.

jrdad: I don't worry about negative comments. I feast on them. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 28, 2013 @ 8:07 p.m.

Does rather prove the adage of San Diego being "America's Stupidest City". I teach, so I am not impressed when dingbats chime out drivel.

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Emory_Kendrick Oct. 18, 2013 @ 2:46 p.m.

Don, To your point "I do not believe Goldsmith enlisted Frye..." Maybe not directly, but through trusted surrogates may have planted seeds for future ideas. Plus this publication did a story last week where the two lawyers have 15 and 7 cases Goldsmith's team is on. So maybe not an overt plan, but a lot of crossed paths between April and July.

From NBC http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/politics/Fryes-Resignation-Letter-Hints-at-Scandal-224304491.html Frye's Resignation Letter Hints at Scandal By Chuck Westerheide and R. Stickney| Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 | Updated 3:54 PM PDT In it, Frye says she can't work in an open government position under constraints put on her by the administration. But the bigger revelation now is a second reason for leaving, and again this is April before any of his problems had been reported.

From City Beat http://www.sdcitybeat.com/sandiego/article-12212-donna-fryes-resignation-letter.html

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 3:45 p.m.

Emory_Kendrick: Those are very interesting things you sent along, but again, they were composed late in the game. I doubt that Frye, Briggs, and Gonzalez were aware that Goldsmith was plotting his coup as early as January/February.

I doubt that the three progressives let Goldsmith exploit them deliberately. From what I have read and seen, they were trying to get out in the public first -- that is, they THOUGHT they were going to be first. But the downtown mendicants had them beaten by months.

Incidentally, one poster here has objected to my saying this was a coup. But listen to that video again. After saying he has been working on the ouster 8 months, Goldsmith says that a recall was not practical because of the necessity of gathering so many signatures so quickly. It is obvious that the city attorney was working to force a resignation without due process -- which was exactly what happened. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 3:38 p.m.

The Colorado blogger excused himself by saying he has "time constraints" that prevent him from fact-checking in his blogs, yet he apparently has unlimited time to post responses to every comment here every day. I guess time expands in the thin air of CO when one is typing out comment replies. How Einsteinish!

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 4:32 p.m.

Responding to someone above: Filner's behavior absolutely WAS worse than Weiner's peccadillos. Weiner did not attack women physically; he did sexting. That's the crucial difference that Filner apologists don't grasp. The lack of understanding must be an age/generational thing.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 7:25 p.m.

dwbat: I think posting one's genitals online -- where they can be picked up by 8 year old girls -- is perversion of the worst kind. Filner's was not. But to each his own. Best, Don Bauder

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Duhbya Oct. 19, 2013 @ 9:12 a.m.

Oh, he'll take umbrage with that irrefutable logic, too, contending Weiner's perversions were between private parties, conveniently ignoring that one attendee went public with photos, in the process making them accessible to any child in the world. Batnit has previously posted this nonsense. Talk about lack of understanding (and he was).

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 9:32 a.m.

"Batnik"? hahaha The retorts gets lamer and lamer on here.

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Duhbya Oct. 19, 2013 @ 10:01 a.m.

I agree. Especially when the lamer-blamer gets the subject material wrong. Look again, pro....it was BatNIT, as in nitpicker. Hahaha right back atchya.

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 8:42 p.m.

Duhbya: Still another error by the poster who claims he is perfectionist, a consummate professional because he edited a magazine in Palm Springs. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 18, 2013 @ 4:39 p.m.

Re an incorrect answer to my question about Goldsmith: "Yes, there were polls showing Goldsith's [sic] support for mayor." My question asked if Goldsmith had himself talked about running. So that lame reply didn't answer the question.

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Don Bauder Oct. 18, 2013 @ 7:26 p.m.

dwbat: Goldsmith at one time was in the running. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill Oct. 18, 2013 @ 7:47 p.m.

So if Goldsmith, his legal team, and the psychologist honestly believed that Filner was completely unfit to serve as mayor and needed to be removed as quickly as possible then what other options did they have?

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 6:52 a.m.

ImJustABill: They had one obvious option: to look at themselves in the mirror, realize that they had reached such a conclusion because Filner disagreed with their opinions. He was aiming to become the first mayor in decades to stand up to the corporate welfare crowd that has run the city for years, grabbing taxpayer money in the process.

Goldsmith is a lackey for this group. He and his minions should have looked in the mirror and realized THAT was why they thought Filner was unstable.

As to a psychologist. Many of them are like consultants: they will come to the conclusion that they are paid to come to. Best, Don Bauder

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KLoEditor Oct. 19, 2013 @ 7:57 a.m.

Speaking of paying psychologists, who authorized him to hire one, and who paid for the services?

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 9:27 a.m.

KLoEditor: Excellent question -- one Goldsmith should be forced to answer. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill Oct. 19, 2013 @ 8:41 a.m.

Thanks for your response, but I don't think you answered the question. It was a hypothetical question in that you had to assume that Goldsmith and the legal team and the psychologist all had good reason to believe, as Donna Frye eventually did, that Filner was unfit to serve as mayor - regardless of political opinions.

If you disagree that Filner was unfit to serve as mayor that is fine. But certainly others may have honestly believed that Filner was unfit to serve as mayor. That's unquestionably a reasonable opinion given what we know about Filner's behavior.

I'll ask the question again. If others honestly believed that Filner was completely unfit to serve as mayor due to workplace behavior issues what should they have done differently?

If you can't answer that question then any investigations in Goldsmith aren't going to go anywhere.

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 9:14 a.m.

ImJustABill: The blogger in Colorado continually avoids answering questions, and instead launches another repetitious tirade about the "corporate welfare crowd," "media conspiracy" and "intergovernmental lynching." So he will not answer your question. But he will repeat his phrases over and over, thinking it will make them true. It's so much easier; it takes no effort or proof.

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ImJustABill Oct. 19, 2013 @ 1:04 p.m.

I just don't know what else anyone at City Hall could reasonably do if they honestly felt that Filner was completely out of control. Were Goldsmith's actions partially politically motivated? Probably but to me that still doesn't excuse Filner - nor does it excuse the Democratic Party for allowing Filner to represent them.

The blame lies with Filner - and to some extent with the Democratic Party for supporting Filner. If Goldsmith, Harris, Frye, and the rest of the Global Conspiraracy to Remove Filner actually did something illegal or unethical then corrective action should be taken. But so far I don't see any solid evidence of that.

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 1:54 p.m.

That's because there isn't any such evidence. It's just an out-of-state blogger's wishful thinking, as he prefers that melodramatic scenario. It doesn't have to be based on reality, in his fanciful weltanschauung.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 9:31 a.m.

ImJustABill: Once again, I state that anybody who believed Filner was out of control had an obvious and HONEST avenue: the recall. Voters could have been told that Filner showed signs of instability. But all these people who claim to believe in open government did NOT take the full disclosure route. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 9:25 a.m.

ImJustABill: The answer to your question is easy. If the people of San Diego thought Filner was unfit to serve as mayor, he should have been RECALLED. Then he would have had due process. But as Goldsmith says in the TV interview, the recall process required the gathering of too many signatures in too short a time. So the Goldsmith clique very obviously planned a coup to get him to resign. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 8:45 p.m.

ImJustABill: They had the option to shut up. They and the downtown clique hated Filner because he was stepping on them. So of course they decided he was crazy and had to be ousted. A psychologist? Many if not most of them are for sale, like consultants are. Best, Don Bauder

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SAVEBP Oct. 18, 2013 @ 11:54 p.m.

Goldsmith obviously has serious mental issues.

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 6:59 a.m.

SAVEBP: Goldsmith hated Filner because he disagreed with him and fought with him. So he grabbed on to Filner's obvious -- and reprehensible -- weakness, and with the help of many others who hated Filner, and with the help of a pliant press, pulled off the coup, of which he brags in the video above. Note how self-satisfied he is.

Remember, too, that some years ago Goldsmith's wife, in seeking a divorce, stated that he was violent. The two reconciled, but her charges are quite revealing. I have written about them several times and they can be found on the Reader site. Best, Don Bauder

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KLoEditor Oct. 19, 2013 @ 7:56 a.m.

I think this is the Perfect Storm conspiracy that we keep trying to get people to understand. Those involved had different parts to play, some were working to create it, some were waiting for their moment, some were puppets, some stepped up when they saw the opportunity, some just seized the scandal and ran with it for profit, and the ignorant/redneck/anti-Semite/TeaBag/sheeple/et al eagerly and gleefully followed their cues. Underlying and financing this coup were the money interests in the city. Make no mistake, there was a conspiracy, a conspiracy pushing to happen one way or another, but a conspiracy sure as anything.

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 9:27 a.m.

I wish people would stop using that "anti-Semite" argument. It's inappropriate and inaccurate. Senators Feinstein and Boxer are Jewish, as is Gloria Allred. Bad behavior is bad behavior, so please leave race and religion out of it.

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 8:47 p.m.

dwbat: I think there was some anti-Semitism but I don't believe it was a big factor. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 12:50 p.m.

KLoEditor: Yes, in a way the coup was a perfect storm. It was pulled off with few flaws -- thanks greatly to horrible reporting in the mainstream media -- and most of the public hasn't figured it out. Hopefully one of the flaws will be Goldsmith's post-coup interviews. Best, Don Bauder

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SAVEBP Oct. 19, 2013 @ 1:49 p.m.

Thanks Don. I'm actually making the comment not because the two had differences of opinions and faught over them, or whether or not they just couldn't stand one another, but because, from observation of Goldsmith over the past few months its pretty obvious, to me, that he clearly has some serious mental issues. I think this is at the core of why Filner is now out of office. It has nothing to do with whether Filner has/had boundary issues....Filner seems to be the most sound of mind of all the characters involved in this pathetic embarrassing event.

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 3:32 p.m.

After watching Filner's final speech to the City Council, you could easily see who has serious mental issues. Observers there and those watching on TV at home, were shocked at his crazy, delusional rant.

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 8:57 p.m.

SAVEBP: I am glad you raised the point about Goldsmith's stability. I will report something that I have reported several times, and Matt Potter first published in 2008.

In 1986, Goldsmith's wife filed for divorce. She stated that Goldsmith "began yelling and screaming at me in obviously uncontrolled anger. He then gave me a hard shove to the chest and cocked his fist in an extremely threatening manner. All of this appeared in front of the children, causing them to be extremely upset and telling their father not to hit their mother. He then began throwing items off the kitchen counter in his continuing rage."

There is more, but this should suffice for now. They later reconciled. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 9:58 a.m.

It's funny (not really) how someone who no longer lives in a city thinks he/she can fully understand the mood and nuances of a diverse metropolis. Outsiders cannot watch local TV news, attend City Council and community meetings, interview people in person (instead of always via phone/email), converse with ordinary people "over the fence" or while having coffee, chat with the Mayor, start up a conversation with a stranger on the sidewalk, have close friendships with those living in that city, or meet a police officer in one's neighborhood. THAT is how you connect with your city, and gain useful information. It makes one a more astute reporter (or blogger). When you are not "tuned in" on a regular basis, one can get a distorted sense of the city and its citizens. I used to write about Palm Springs when I lived there. I wouldn't even think about doing it now, while living in San Diego. It would make no sense, as mistakes would be made. Something for some people to ponder.

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Duhbya Oct. 19, 2013 @ 10:33 a.m.

Urgent message for Batnit:

Humility is not thinking less of yourself. It's thinking of yourself less. - C.S. Lewis

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 10:53 a.m.

C.S. Lewis was a Christian propagandist. I avoid his drivel. And by the way, what is your real name, Duhbya? You know mine. And the Colorado blogger uses his real name. Do you only emit insults when hiding behind a pseudonym?

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Duhbya Oct. 19, 2013 @ 10:50 a.m.

Responding to the private email you sent to me through the Reader site moments ago: I am certainly not "hiding". If you'll recall, I posted my given name to you during your previous Filner/Bauder "campaign". A TRUE professional, were they so inclined, would have notated it then. I also have posted it many times before. Why do you care?

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 11:19 a.m.

I didn't "notate" it as you are not important. So repost it here, for all to see. Since you are so inclined to employ childish insults, "man up" and use your real name. Afraid for some reason?

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Duhbya Oct. 20, 2013 @ 12:19 p.m.

You're the toad who outed Monaghan, so why feed the troll more chum? You appear to be teetering on the brink of rational thought, and I have a family to protect, Is that "man up" enough for you to fathom? It's important enough for you to keep bringing it up while conveniently and repeatedly ignoring that fact that I already posted it to you not long ago. You are no longer worth the waste of cyberspace. Sayonara.

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 12:52 p.m.

dwbat: You obviously don't understand modern methods of communication. I am not surprised. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 8:59 p.m.

dwbat: I have covered San Diego for 40 years. Have you? Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 28, 2013 @ 8:10 p.m.

Palm Springs was a real estate scam, like Las Vegas, turning a $3 parcel of worthless land into a mecca. They tried for many years to legalize gambling there.

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shirleyberan Oct. 19, 2013 @ 11:47 a.m.

I think bwat wanted to be Mayor but didn't have time to run because it would cut into the time he needs for harassing Don.

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 12:09 p.m.

I don't know who "bwat" is. And I never even ran for high school president. The political game is not for me. But someone needs to challenge the Colorado blogger when he's out of control, and spewing out unproven accusations and smug opinions. Apparently only a few of us will stand up to him. We probably shouldn't do so, as he practically goes into ecstasy from all the "harassing." It's what he lives for.

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 12:53 p.m.

shirleyberan: How do we know he hasn't run for mayor? Many like him have. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 9 p.m.

shirleyberan: I'm not sure dwbat has the qualities a politician must have. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 12:29 p.m.

The out-of-state blogger wrote: "Goldsmith hated Filner because he disagreed with him and fought with him." Actually, the hatred mostly came from Filner to Goldsmith. I remember when the Mayor screamed at Goldsmith at a public meeting. That was mean, inappropriate, shocking and unprofessional. But remote bloggers miss a lot of things that go on here in town.

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 12:55 p.m.

dwbat: One of Filner's problems is that he shouted at a lot of people -- his own staffers, as well as enemies such as Goldsmith. Nobody seems to realize that Filner abused both men and women. That was one of his weaknesses that led to the coup. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 12:57 p.m.

shirleyberan: Doesn't that conflict with Monday Night Football? Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 2 p.m.

Someone in Colorado (not naming anyone) needs to change the batteries in his tinfoil hat! It's on the fritz.

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John Kitchin Oct. 28, 2013 @ 8:12 p.m.

Reference to tinfoil hats means that dwbat needs to meet a friend of mine, Yahweh Gabriel Moroni, who is on Facebook. He can tell you about all the truth on television and the wonders of NASA.

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 2:03 p.m.

The out-of-state blogger said: "Nobody seems to realize that Filner abused both men and women." Nobody? hahaha Wrong! Most of us living here in San Diego do know that. They don't in Colorado, though.

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ImJustABill Oct. 19, 2013 @ 4:14 p.m.

I think Don is providing reliable facts and information. However, in my opinion Don has interpreted those facts and information in a way which is unreasonably favorable to Filner. Wishful thinking perhaps. I don't think Don's physical location is especially relevant - internet and long distance phone lines are cheap these days.

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 9:03 p.m.

ImJustABill: I respect your opinion but I think as more facts come out you will find that the precedents set by the intergovernmental coup were far more dangerous to society than Filner's obvious and regrettable misbehavior. Best, Don Buder

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ImJustABill Oct. 20, 2013 @ 8:18 a.m.

My mind can be changed but so far nothing you have presented has done so. Keep up with the investigations, however - it's good for the truth to come out one way or another. Personally, I wouldn't bet on the truth coming out the way you think it will but I've been wrong before.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 9:36 a.m.

ImJustABill: I don't think you are listening carefully to Goldsmith's TV boasts. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 2:06 p.m.

Read and LEARN, folks: There was no coup! There was no coup! There was no coup! There was no coup! There was no coup! There was no coup! There was no coup! There was no coup! There was no coup! There was no coup!

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 2:19 p.m.

Some blogger (name is not important) said: "How do we know he hasn't run for mayor? Many like him have." OK, name one professional independent reporter and photographer with a high IQ (with no political party affiliation) who has run for mayor here. You can't, Mr. remote blogger in the Rocky Mountains.

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KLoEditor Oct. 19, 2013 @ 8:45 p.m.

Perhaps we'd have to identify professional independent reporters and photographers with high IQs first. This would of course leave you out.

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 9:06 p.m.

KLoEditor: I have no idea whether dwbat is excluded. He may have a high IQ. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 28, 2013 @ 8:15 p.m.

I have a very nice iq test at www.NZ9F.com/iq. Try taking it sometime, and tell me how you score, dwbat.

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Psycholizard Oct. 19, 2013 @ 4:04 p.m.

Coup means a punch, strike, or attack, it's so flexible a term that denying it's applicability is just silly.

Those who claim expertise for argument lack facts and expertise. Facts make the expert and the argument. One can claim expertise based on geography to the limits of one's senses, but only when you report what you actually experience. Mr. Bauder's current geographical location isn't relevant, dwbat, he is an expert in San Diego political history and proves it with facts, to refute him you need to challenge his facts, or the logic of his conclusions. Attacking Mr. Bauder's use of metaphor, or his expertise, doesn't prove anything, except one's limits as a prose writer.

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dwbat Oct. 19, 2013 @ 5:40 p.m.

His usage of coup meant coup d'état. Look up that meaning! You are NOT a journalist, so you have no concept of news reporting. You're a musician, so stick with your tunes (where you have expertise). Geographical location IS relevant. It matters as I indicated above (scroll up). Local access means you get a better idea of what's going on, rather than just emailing and phoning people. I've challenged the Colorado blogger's facts many times, asking him to provide proof of accusations. He won't do so, but just repeats that he knows it's true. That is not good enough, even with his knowledge of "San Diego political history." He is dealing with NOW, not what happened years ago. If there's a conspiracy, back it up with facts. If there was a "lynching," prove it. Otherwise, it's just noise in a blog, and it doesn't matter what one has done in the past. He is old, and no longer in his prime. Quantity of output seems to count more than facts. That's sad. RE: "...only when you report what you actually experience." I do this in my news reporting for the Reader. Obviously you don't read my pieces. They are NEWS stories, not extremist, opinionated blogs. They consist of solid factual information. I don't make up stuff, or say "this is what I think" in my articles. The 5 "Ws" [who, what, where, when, why] still count more than 5 opinions!

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 9:09 p.m.

Psycholizard: It was definitely a punch, strike, and attack and it took several branches of government at the local, state and federal levels plus a naive and malleable press to pull it off. But I have always agreed that Filner brought it on. Best, Don Bauder

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KLoEditor Oct. 19, 2013 @ 8:48 p.m.

Has bwat actually ever said where he got his journalism degree from? I'd like to write that school and ask them to admit their mistake.

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 9:12 p.m.

KLoEditor: Dwbat may not have a journalism degree. Actually, my undergrad degree is in business and Master's is in journalism. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 28, 2013 @ 8:17 p.m.

I have a Ph.D., but as I often said, a B.S. degree says what it is, while a Ph.D. is just Piled higher and Deeper.

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Don Bauder Oct. 19, 2013 @ 9:10 p.m.

shirleyberan: We all have flaws. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard Oct. 19, 2013 @ 9:23 p.m.

Now I thought Les Quatre Cent Coups, described your recent work history, DW, when it was translated as The 400 Blows, turns out the title translates better as Hell raising. If someone paid you money for your prose, I congratulate your salesmanship, but I don't defer to your writing skill, plainly it's not superior to mine. If ever you stuck to the facts, you rarely do here, mostly you practice personal attack, and pure denial of terms, it's very poor prose. Mr. Bauder practices polemic in the tradition of Tom Paine, or Martin Luther, hell raising perhaps, but his prose is not as hot as the King James Version. Like those, he wishes to stir action as much as inform. His hell raising is intended to bring the City's demons to light, we're not surprised at an occasional troll.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 7:54 a.m.

Psycholizard: Yes, I would say my hell raising is intended to bring the City's demons to light. And the most repugnant demon is the fact that leadership is talking about spending hundreds of millions -- well over a billion -- on a completely unneeded and wasteful convention center expansion and a football stadium for the Chargers, when the City is very short of funds and the infrastructure and neighborhoods are rotting. Best, Don Bauder

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Sebastian612 Oct. 21, 2013 @ 4:27 p.m.

Oh, but Don, the Downtown establishment will be absolutely crushed if we don't burden the taxpayers (the great "unwashed") with the cost of a new football stadium and the expansion of the convention center.

However, (and I confess to being a dreamer), I would support the enlargement of the convention center IF the revenue generated was used to, directly, reduce our local tax burden (for example;, I pay a LOT of school taxes and am an old curmudgeon with no children in school). There's no doubt that San Diego is a highly desireable convention site. Unfortunately, BIG groups are forced to use Las Vegas who have the hotel space to accomodate the large organizations (i.e Consumer Electronic Show, etc.). So, that might give us a clue to the awesome contributions from the real estate and hospitality industries to our illustrous mayoral candidates. A bigger convention center means big dollars for this group -- additional hotels would be a must. The tourist/conventioneer revenue boggles the mind. Hey, if they could, somehow, declare downtown as Native American Territory, we could bring casino gamling in, too!! Is there no end to the possibilities??? Remember, it's better to laugh once-in-awhile than cry all the time.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 12:51 p.m.

Sebastian612: Trouble is, Las Vegas has two important factor close by: 1. gambling, and 2. hookers. Not only that, the national glut of convention center space is so huge that those wanting large amounts of space have plenty of places to go at very cheap prices.

The idea that San Diego should expand its convention center so it can accommodate big shows is just another lie concocted by convention center boosters. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 20, 2013 @ 10:31 a.m.

RE: "I don't defer to your writing skill, plainly it's not superior to mine." You are welcome to try getting published in the Reader. Go here to submit your news article: http://www.sandiegoreader.com/neighborhood-stories/ P.S. They don't accept opinion pieces.

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Psycholizard Oct. 20, 2013 @ 1:07 p.m.

Thanks for the encouragement, last I heard they weren't paying much, I'll check it out.

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Psycholizard Oct. 20, 2013 @ 1:29 p.m.

Wow, they are cheapskates, I certainly wouldn't want to comment on the kids I hear playing music. To do a proper classical article, one must check out the scores from the library and compare recorded versions, for starters. I don't see how I would get minimum wage for making enemies.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 5:26 p.m.

Psycholizard: I have found writing for the Reader extremely satisfying. And I think the pay is competitive. You are a sound thinker and the Reader would appreciate that. Best, Don Bauder

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dwbat Oct. 20, 2013 @ 8:52 a.m.

For the record, I also oppose expansion of the convention center, and a new Chargers stadium (if paid with any public funding). Hopefully, legal challenges will prevent either one from happening.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 9:38 a.m.

dwbat: Good for you. Best, Don Bauder

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shirleyberan Oct. 20, 2013 @ 12:08 p.m.

I quit thinking about taking a kid to a football game a long time ago. You don't take children into a bar.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 5:28 p.m.

shirleyberan: You have hit on football's biggest problem: the debilitating injuries. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 20, 2013 @ 12:50 p.m.

Great blog thread, but with a lot of the usual stupid stuff in it, too. That is why San Diego is regarded as America's Stupidest City. Blogs like this, however, educate people, and at one time we were all quite stupid. When we were born, for example. It is great blogs like this which permit those who understand politics, such as Don Bauder, to teach. I appreciate the ability to occasionally chime in myself with some educated comment. Thanks, Reader! Oh, my latest photo, since I attack all sorts of misinformation in the news media.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 7:14 p.m.

John Kitchin: We welcome your comments and other satirical comments. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 20, 2013 @ 7:59 p.m.

This one is purely real, not satirical at all.

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2013 @ 7:12 a.m.

John Kitchin: If the US Interplanetary Criminal Detention Area makes the news, we can shout, "You read it here first!" Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill Oct. 21, 2013 @ 10:06 a.m.

So extraterrestrial aliens are involved in the conspiracy to oust Filner!!

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John Kitchin Oct. 21, 2013 @ 12:27 p.m.

Well, not exactly. My point is that the last place you want to turn for truth is the news media.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 8:36 a.m.

ImJustABill: That claim has not been made. It is more likely that the people who ousted Filner will assert that extraterrestrial aliens elected him. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard Oct. 20, 2013 @ 1:50 p.m.

Tax dollars go to support Spawars, from all over the country, so who's stupid. But your portrait of a crystal meth addict explains much. Spawar is next to County Mental Health, no doubt they recruit aliens and those they abduct from crystal meth abusers at CMH, give them top secret clearance, and make them interplanetary warriors at six figures. This explains Edward Snowden and the secrets he won't reveal.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 7:17 p.m.

Psycholizard: Brilliant deduction. And also, as far as I can remember, the first mention of an alien invasion on this blog. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 20, 2013 @ 5:40 p.m.

There is a reason why Spawars is next to Mental Health, and there are connecting underground tunnels, including to the basement of the Marine Corps Recruiting area. Many soldiers who come in contact with the aliens cannot handle same, plus many who have had bad experiences with alien contacts need psychiatric care. In past years, those who had come in contact with aliens accidentally were placed into psych hospitals, and if called for became workers who worked with aliens, once they were sufficiently brainwashed. The rest of your commentary is jibberish, but I am glad you are here to learn. Proves you are not stupid.

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 7:22 p.m.

John Kitchin: I will be disappointed if contributors to this blog wind up in psychiatric hospitals, sharing a room with aliens. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 20, 2013 @ 7:58 p.m.

Okay, PsychoLizard, and in this case Don Bauder, too, I never "depicted" a meth user. I do have two web pages, www.NZ9F.com/Drugs, and www.NZ9F.com/Abortion, which have a photo of an actual "drug user", but he uses heroin and sometimes barbituates. And, regarding meth users as space warriors, way too much laziness occurs from meth use. Not qualified. As parts of this thread show, there may be 149 intelligent species of life, but humans have never been regarded as one. Spawars was an Atlantean (green guys) colony for something like 100,000 years. One of them has a Facebook page, Yahweh Gabriel Moroni, so write to him rather than me. And, Don, you have made much more intelligent comments. Enclosed is a photo of YG Moroni, a Gray (military term).

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 9:49 p.m.

John Kitchin: Yes, Yahweh certainly looks intelligent. You are right: humans are not among the 149 intelligent species. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 20, 2013 @ 9:46 p.m.

John Kitchin: Yahweh sounds so much like yahoo. Is Yahweh a yahoo? Best, Don Bauder

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Duhbya Oct. 21, 2013 @ 5:41 a.m.

Or perhaps a woohoo? I notice a marked resemblance.

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2013 @ 7:14 a.m.

Duhbya: Shrewd observation. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 21, 2013 @ 12:34 p.m.

I seen that guy before. Isn't he running for Mayor of Duck City, or one of those rural places where they milk chickens?

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Duhbya Oct. 22, 2013 @ 4:50 a.m.

Hmmm.....for some reason, the burg of Simpsonville, SC comes to mind.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 8:39 a.m.

Duhbya: Can you believe that I have never seen a Simpsons show? But I have heard of those shows many times. Best, Don Bauder

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Duhbya Oct. 22, 2013 @ 9:24 a.m.

Not too difficult to comprehend. Many folks are/have been rabid about it, but I think I've seen it maybe five times. Clever writing, though

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 12:39 p.m.

Duhbya: Yes, I understand it is very clever. Still haven't gotten around to watching it. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 8:38 a.m.

John Kitchin: Duck City? Think closer to home. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 22, 2013 @ 11:01 a.m.

Duck City is out by the Salton Sea, where the salty and anthrax-infested waters crash and petrify ducks who land there.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 12:37 p.m.

John Kitchin: Duck City is that town so many quacks in the medical profession. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 21, 2013 @ 12:32 p.m.

In the 1970s, when there was no internet, I referred to my friends at AT&T who were trying to develop that sort of thing as the Yahoos. It was a name like geek or techno, and it stuck. Extremely interesting that your comment would go exactly to the person who coined the phrase. My words got out a lot, all over the world, because I was a noted ham operator, talking world-wide with tech people.

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2013 @ 7:54 p.m.

John Kitchin: The word "yahoo" used to connote a yokel, a jerk, a redneck. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard Oct. 21, 2013 @ 8:53 p.m.

Jonathon Swift may have coined the term "yahoo". Yahweh is a variant of Jehovah, so the aliens must be sending their top beings.

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John Kitchin Oct. 21, 2013 @ 9:11 p.m.

Huh? That sounds schizophrenic at best.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 8:28 a.m.

John Kitchin: I don't see evidence of schizophrenia in Psycholizard's observation. Best, Don Bauyder

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 8:27 a.m.

Psycholizard: I love Swift. I don't remember that he coined the word yahoo, directly or indirectly, but he was one of history's most percipient satirists. Best, Don Bauder

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Psycholizard Oct. 22, 2013 @ 10:34 a.m.

An internet dictionary gives Swift first publication in Guliver's Travels, as a name like "Liliputin", for a race of people, if memory serves, it was the horse's name for humanity.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 12:43 p.m.

Psycholizard: The Lilliputians were wee folk in Swift's classic Gulliver's Travels. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 22, 2013 @ 10:48 a.m.

Okay, and I explained Yahweh, above. Just now, so you did not have that info when you originally placed your reply.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 8:35 p.m.

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John Kitchin Oct. 21, 2013 @ 9:10 p.m.

Once upon a time, but I explained it on the air, worldwide, that I had the greatest affection for the Yahoos, and considered them friends. I did initially get criticisms such as yours.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 8:30 a.m.

John Kitchin: On what network did you explain it on the air worldwide? Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 22, 2013 @ 11:04 a.m.

Shortwave amateur radio nets, the kind that people with transmitters and microphones who run radio stations and develop internets get onto to chat. That is what we did before there were blogs. Imagine this thread live and worldwide, in voice. 30 years, me.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 3:24 p.m.

John Kitchin: Oh yes. I remember now that you were a shortwave amateur radio operator. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 22, 2013 @ 11:07 a.m.

Long ago, there were chat groups using international worldwide transmitters, much like CB except closely regulated and legal. Digital developments in the United States were chatted about with Japjanese, French, British, etc., often in English. There was no web, but the Yahoo Group eventually created it.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 3:27 p.m.

John Kitchin: Sounds exciting. I missed out on the fun. Best, Don Bauder

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Duhbya Oct. 22, 2013 @ 6:35 a.m.

Distant relative, perhaps? A Chief originally (Kansas City), no less.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 8:32 a.m.

Duhbya: Oh, to be tackled by someone named Wahoo. Best, Don Bauder

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Duhbya Oct. 22, 2013 @ 9:35 a.m.

Or body slammed. He got away with this garb during his post-football career, full-blooded Choctaw that he was.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 8:39 p.m.

Duhbya: Wahoo must have been tough and athletic. After pro football, many players can barely walk with their mangled knees, or suffer debilitating effects of head injuries. Wahoo went from football into pro wrestling, which takes tremendous dexterity. Yes, the bouts are scripted, but the wrestlers' bodies take plenty of abuse. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 22, 2013 @ 10:46 a.m.

Yahweh is an intelligent alien who befriended Moses. Moses demanded the name of God, and since God has no name, Yahweh used his own name.

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PacificBeachgirl Oct. 21, 2013 @ 12:42 p.m.

I have so many questions. Because of Filner's time here hasn't something been exposed in San Diego like never before? Was it unrealistic to think a progressive Mayor would be allowed to succeed? Is Fletcher the most liberal we could have expected and even now a portion of his success due to backlash and a bit of distaste for what has happened? What did Filner mean when at his resignation he said well-organized interests have controlled the city for 50 years? Who are the "political agents" of the televation stations he mentioned? Is Filner prohibited from having a Foundation in the future?

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2013 @ 8:03 p.m.

PacificBeachgirl: Filner meant that the downtown real estate, corporate welfare crowd controlled San Diego for half a century. However, I would say that this crowd had a harder time of it when Maureen O'Connor was mayor. Pete Wilson initially didn't bow to the developer industry, but when he got national ambitions, he capitulated.

I think you are right that any progressive will get similar treatment. Filner was more vulnerable because, by his own admission, his behavior with women was bad. Aguirre as city attorney was smeared by the U-T. He would be as mayor, too. Alvarez would catch it if he got elected, too.

Recall that disgusting sex-related behavior by DeMaio was barely covered by the press, while disgusting behavior by Filner was given blanket coverage for weeks. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 22, 2013 @ 10:54 a.m.

Other Mayors were forced to resign by the La Costa Sanction, the Mafia group that controlls San Diego and all professional licenses here. It was unrealistic to think that any Progressive Mayor could go anywhere. Fletcher is extremely conservative, more than Faulconer. The well-organized MOB interests took over Broadcasting in 1922 here, and Real Estate has been their primary money-maker since about 1955. The Political Agents are gangsters, and if I mention them I get found dead in the river. Filner is now a Convicted Felon and cannot, therefore, be involved in Foundations.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 12:34 p.m.

John Kitchin: When you mention Mafia and the real estate development industry in the same breath, are you talking about the laundered drug money that finds its way into San Diego real estate? Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 28, 2013 @ 8:20 p.m.

Sorry, but I cannot draw the parallels nor tell the truth here. Censorship.

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PacificBeachgirl Oct. 27, 2013 @ 3:20 p.m.

John thank you for letting me know about the Foundation. I am really sorry to hear that.

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Sebastian612 Oct. 21, 2013 @ 4:04 p.m.

If it is true: Thus, the city attorney worked for eight months in an ouster did that not permit the mayor due process., Goldsmith should be removed from office forthwith. To deny ANYONE due process is more heinous than the perpetrator, in this case, Filner. Perhaps Goldsmith was invoking either the Patriot Act or the National Defense Authorization Act and claiming that Filner was a "person of interest". Under this legislation, Filner could have simply been spirited away to Gitmo -- case closed. The irony is that Filner voted for both of those unConstitutional laws. Yes, Goldsmith will cling to the old "expedency and cost savings defense" while violating his oath of office as a public attorney. "So, what's new in San Diego -- the land of the rich and powerful and influential".

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Don Bauder Oct. 21, 2013 @ 8:06 p.m.

Sebastian612: Yes, Goldsmith admitted in that TV interview that he plotted to oust a mayor without due process. Metaphorically, this is a lynching, and a coup. Period. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill Oct. 22, 2013 @ 9:48 a.m.

Ah yes, here is the part of the 5th Amendment (the Bauder version) which you must be referring to ... "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, OR REMOVED FROM THE MAYORS OFFICE without due process of law". I wasn't familiar with the capitalized part of the 5th amendment but I'm not a legal expert.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 12:24 p.m.

ImJustABill: I didn't mention any amendment. Due process is a revered concept of American law. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 22, 2013 @ 10:58 a.m.

I have called for disbarment, not recall, of Jan Goldsmith ever since he took office as City Attorney. Felony charges for chalk on a sidewalk? What's next, Felony Hopscotch? His admitting the plotting of failure of due process is the crime of Obstruction of Justice, and he admits it.

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2013 @ 12:29 p.m.

John Kitchin: He can't be disbarred for that chalking incident. Disrespected, yes. Disdained, yes, for being dense enough to make his Filner strategy public. Dissed, yes. Disbarred, hell no. He won't be disbarred for admitting he planned an ouster without due process. For those who know what goes on in San Diego -- and are repulsed by it -- Goldsmith is a barrel of laughs. Best, Don Bauder

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John Kitchin Oct. 24, 2013 @ 4:28 p.m.

Well, the intentional attempt to thwart or deprive Due Process is a federal crime, investigated by the FBI. If Goldsmith sez he attempted to circumvent Due Process, let the FBI investigate him for Felony Obstruction of Justice.

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shirleyberan Oct. 22, 2013 @ 9:57 p.m.

Daniel_Torres - never heard the manipulation called news staging before - sorry for your loss - thank- you for sharing your story and wisdom.

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Daniel_Torres Oct. 23, 2013 @ 6:47 p.m.

Not sure what was commented on that brought on the violations. I appreciate the Reader allowing me to comment.

Thank you, Daniel Torres Former volunteer firefighter Valley Entry Services Revenue Control Equipment

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John Kitchin Oct. 24, 2013 @ 4:30 p.m.

It all had to do with other wrongdoing by other persons and agencies. Shocking, too!

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Psycholizard Oct. 24, 2013 @ 11:02 p.m.

I suspect the Reader removed items by software problems.

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