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The 2009/2010 San Diego County Grand Jury today (June 8) released a 22-page report of the City's financial travails. "Presently, the City of San Diego's obligations, liabilities and debts exceed $7 billion," said the report. Also, "It is still untested whether or not the vested rights clause pertaining to pension benefits prevails in bankruptcy proceedings," said the report. (Some claim that pension benefits are set in concrete.) "A Chapter 9 [municipal bankruptcy] filing would result in a federal determination of which fringe benefits and collective bargaining agreements could be restructured." The grand jury suggests that a panel of bankruptcy experts discuss the financial ramifications of a Chapter filing for San Diego.

The grand jury does not recommend the layoffs of City employees. That would result in further erosion of services. The panel estimates that the backlog of deferred maintenance projects is conservatively $1 billion. The report notes that "charging a fee for residential trash collection would save the City approximately $54 million a year." The panel believes there could be savings from consolidation of City and County functions.

This one will be controversial: the grand jury wants the City to explore long term leasing (not sales) of desirable City-owned property to developers, such as parkland in Mission Bay, Balboa Park, Torrey Pines and the Qualcomm Stadium area. My caution to taxpayers: there is often little difference between a sale and a long term lease.

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SurfPuppy619 June 8, 2010 @ 12:13 p.m.

Hey, didn't anyone hear, KFC Sanders said we are in no need of a BK filing.

Our esteemed City Attorney, as well as our esteemed resident GED cop Just Wondering, said it would cost $100-$300 million to file, no source to back up those wild numbers, but if they said it it must be true (espeically since Vallejo has spent a whopping $4 million on their BK, so $300 million is certainly in that ballpark-if you're playing on Mars).

We are in a major hole, and the economy has not turned, and like I have said many times before-we will file BK, it is just a matter of when.

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Don Bauder June 8, 2010 @ 12:18 p.m.

Response to post #1: The grand jury's study is quite interesting. You should read it. It's heavy on the pension problem. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 June 8, 2010 @ 12:22 p.m.

This one will be controversial: the grand jury wants the City to explore long term leasing (not sales) of desirable City-owned property to developers, such as parkland in Mission Bay, Balboa Park, Torrey Pines and the Qualcomm Stadium area. My caution to taxpayers: there is often little difference between a sale and a long term lease.

Ask Chicago residents how those long term leases worked out on their parking meters, which were sold off for a one time cash infusions to meet daily operating expenses.

That one time infusion of cash is long gone, but the 75 year parking meter lease has another 74 years left to run.

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Don Bauder June 8, 2010 @ 12:31 p.m.

Response to post #3: Unfortunately, you can learn a lot about San Diego by studying Chicago. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 June 8, 2010 @ 2:09 p.m.

I cannot find the report anywhere online-does anyone have a link?

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Don Bauder June 8, 2010 @ 4:23 p.m.

Response to post #5: It's on Carl DeMaio's website under "Carl's blog." Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder June 8, 2010 @ 4:25 p.m.

Response to post #6: That's the same one on DeMaio's site. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 June 8, 2010 @ 7:41 p.m.

Thanks for the links...am reading the report right now......

Well, good report.

One problem, Some of the "facts" are just repeated statements lifted from other reports-who knows if they are really facts or not-it is second had info, hearsay.

But even so, there is no way KFC Sanders will take any of it seriously-he has proven he is not going to do anything to fix the cities problems if it involves making hard choices-which it certainly does.

"RECOMMENDATION" "The 2009/2010 San Diego County Grand Jury recommends that the Mayor of the City of San Diego and the San Diego City Council:

10-140: Convene a panel of bankruptcy experts to discuss the legal and financial ramifications of a Chapter 9 declaration of bankruptcy, in the context of a publicly noticed City Council or Council Committee meeting."

(Even though it is right here in black and white, KFC Sanders will make some ridiculous comment that we are not elible to file BK, or Jan Mop Head Goldsmith will claim a cost of $300 million-which the report clearly refutes)

KFC Sanders is a lame duck, and the sooner he is out of office the better we all are in moving forward on fixing the problems.

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dorod June 8, 2010 @ 8:43 p.m.

We are in a major hole, and the economy has not turned, and like I have said many times before-we will file BK, it is just a matter of when.

I remember you standing up for Michael Aguirre and making the same kind of worthless claim about him prevailing. BillyBob, I mean SurfPuppy you are wrong again.

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Don Bauder June 8, 2010 @ 9:43 p.m.

Response to post #9: But he has a long time left in office. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder June 8, 2010 @ 9:45 p.m.

Response to post #10: I tend to think BK is likely -- and a sensible way out of the sough -- but I don't know when, either. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 June 9, 2010 @ 8:04 a.m.

I remember you standing up for Michael Aguirre and making the same kind of worthless claim about him prevailing.

Hey, I can't be right all the time.

But mark my words, the BK is coming, and you better save some of that pension cash b/c it will be taking a haircut in BK court.

OH-Don't tell us, you're a public employee. Can't fool us :)

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SurfPuppy619 June 9, 2010 @ 8:05 a.m.

User profile: dorod

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Hey dorod, whose sock puppet account are you? JW/JF?

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Psycholizard June 9, 2010 @ 10:58 a.m.

Surfpup.

Once again, I must defend the great from internet slander, as a heart patient, I say that Kentucky Fried Chicken is to die for. Every time you KFC Sanders I get hungry, dreaming of that chicken on cheese on chicken sandwich that I will never eat. Jerry Sanders, on the other hand, turns my stomach. I'm losing weight.

Colonel Sanders was a great american, after going bankrupt he founded an empire, more than that, he was funny.

Jerry Sanders posed as 100% pure pork, turned out to be discount bologna, composed of pork and chicken parts.

No American burger or chicken joint would serve us this way.

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SurfPuppy619 June 9, 2010 @ 11:27 a.m.

Psycholizard, my deepest apologies to you, and even deeper apologies to the Colonel. I should have been more respectful in making those insensitive remarks. The truth of the matter is the Colonel IS a great American success story, redemption against the longest of odds, in the twilight of his life. The opposite of our current Mayor.

I have done the Colonel a great dis-service by comparing him to the 300#+ Orca we currently have serving as mayor.

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Russ Lewis June 9, 2010 @ 12:57 p.m.

Let's bash the overweight. It's their own fault.

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SurfPuppy619 June 9, 2010 @ 1:11 p.m.

russl, I am sure there are some $200K/tear comped GED cops and ff's out there waiting for some butt kissing/me to worship them.

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Psycholizard June 9, 2010 @ 1:35 p.m.

to 18, Surfpup.

I feel ashamed, Jerry Sanders might be an elephant seal trapped in a man's body, but God made him, just as God made what we find outside locked city bathrooms.

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SurfPuppy619 June 9, 2010 @ 1:44 p.m.

Now Psycholizard, no need to insult the good, decent and honest elephant seals of our great state.

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Don Bauder June 9, 2010 @ 2:33 p.m.

Response to post #13: We certainly hope pensions can be given a haircut in BK court. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder June 9, 2010 @ 2:35 p.m.

Respond to post #s 14 and 15: Yes, slough of despond. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder June 9, 2010 @ 2:37 p.m.

Respond to posts #16 and 17: The Colonel was a great American. And a rich one. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder June 9, 2010 @ 2:39 p.m.

Respond to post #18: How cruel to say that. Best, Don Bauder

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a2zresource June 9, 2010 @ 2:39 p.m.

For a complete listing of ALL 2009-2010 county grand jury reports, so one can see the trends:

http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/grandjury/report09_10.html

Other links on that page also point to the last five years of reports.

I used to know one or two people who would apply to serve, every year, regular as rain...

http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/grandjury/

GRAND JURY

Mission Statement: Representing the citizens of San Diego County by investigating, evaluating, and reporting on the actions of local governments and special districts.

Vision Statement: Enhancing our community by creating a collaborative, cooperative environment leading to improved performance of public agencies within San Diego County.


I've been waiting for a public discussion of selling/long-term leasing Balboa Park for years now...

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Don Bauder June 9, 2010 @ 2:43 p.m.

Response to posts 19-21: Invective flies. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 June 9, 2010 @ 3:14 p.m.

I've been waiting for a public discussion of selling/long-term leasing Balboa Park for years now...

You know what-if that ever happens, then you know the party is over. Time to leave.

Just the raising of that issue, to me, is insane. 100% Insane. I hope it is not a "trial balloon" of some sort.

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Don Bauder June 9, 2010 @ 3:48 p.m.

Response to post #28: I don't know that the grand jury would knowingly launch a trial balloon. Certainly, its discussion of bankruptcy will not make it popular with the mayor. Best, Don Bauder

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Visduh June 9, 2010 @ 7:13 p.m.

Grand juries in SD County have made many common-sense recommendations over the past several decades, and ALL have been ignored. If you're looking for some indication that those panels have been a force for improvement, reform or progress, look long and hard. Then look again. You won't find any evidence that anything they have proposed has been adopted successfully (or at all) at any time. The charade that government goes through to make voters think that panels such as the grand jury actually matter is a disgrace.

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Don Bauder June 9, 2010 @ 10 p.m.

Response to post #30: The most infamous case was before the 1998 ballpark vote. The grand jury did a study warnings of the risks -- prescient now that the ballpark is draining the City financially. A conspiracy between a lawyer and a judge kept the report from being released until the day before the vote. Then the Union-Tribune gutted a story done about it and put it inside the paper on the day of the vote. That was a real disgrace and so typical of San Diego. Best, Don Bauder

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TheGunny June 10, 2010 @ 10:16 a.m.

Hey Don, whadda ya think of filing lawsuits against the architects of the MP1/MP2 nightmare? I mean Sue, Jack, Dick and Mike should be forking over their retirements as payback for, what I would consider criminal, decisions. It is even more criminal that all those who drew up and pushed the plan are walking free and making 6 digits on top of what they grabbed from the city.

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Don Bauder June 10, 2010 @ 7:24 p.m.

Response to post #32: The statute of limitations would have run on those responsible for MP1 and MP2. Besides, I don't know that you can sue somebody in government for making incredibly stupid decisions. That probably applies to corrupt decisions, too -- that is, decisions that personally line the pockets of the pols and/or bureaucrats. Some who were involved in the most corrupt decisions are making six-figure retirements from the City alone. Who knows what they are making on the side? Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder June 10, 2010 @ 7:26 p.m.

Response to post #33: I'm sure he prefers Rancho Santa Fe. Best, Don Bauder

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JustWondering June 13, 2010 @ 9:29 a.m.

Surfpuppy says: "Hey, I can't be right all the time."

Finally a truthful post from JohnnyV/BillyBS/Surfpuppeteer.

Sadly the next one will come many years from now.

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JustWondering June 13, 2010 @ 4:21 p.m.

And BTW JohnnyV, it was City Attorney Jan Goldsmith, who said the cost to enter and then emerge from a municipal bankruptcy, would range between 100 and 300 million dollars. We your dismal record of predictions, I suspect his estimate is much more accurate than yours.

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Don Bauder June 13, 2010 @ 6:36 p.m.

Response to post #36: I thought this donnybrook might resume. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder June 13, 2010 @ 6:39 p.m.

Response to post #37: That was an overstatement by Goldsmith. His accuracy leaves much to be desired. But the mayor loves his false pronouncements. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 June 13, 2010 @ 11:26 p.m.

Hey, the trough feeding JW is back with more of his bogus posts....I guess if Jan Goldsmith said the Earth was FLAT YOU WOULD BELIEVE THAT TOO, right GED Boy!

I'm just a parasite, leeching off society JW, too bad your pension won't be around in 2 more years :)

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Don Bauder June 14, 2010 @ 6:36 a.m.

Response to post #2: Remember, the current mayor and the judges feast off those excessive pensions. Two years is optimistic. Best, Don Bauder

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JustWondering June 14, 2010 @ 11:51 a.m.

Don,

This just keeps us young and feisty. No hostility here, merely an exchange of thought.

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Don Bauder June 15, 2010 @ 6:15 a.m.

Response to post #42: No hostility? Remember, the three of you -- JW, JF, SP -- have a long history. And it's all recorded here. Best, Don Bauder

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