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Rick Reynolds, former assistant chief operating officer for the City, was fired last October for challenging practices of Fred Sainz, Mayor Jerry Sanders's spinmeister. On April 15, Reynolds filed suit against the City for wrongful termination. The depositions in this suit should shed light on the dubiously cozy relationship between Sainz and certain Union-Tribune writers. The suit generally upholds what this blog reported last October: Sainz wanted Reynolds to provide a list of the Internet Protocol (IP) addresses of personnel in the city attorney's office.It was to be provided to the Union-Tribune, Sainz has told Voice of San Diego. For ethical reasons, Reynolds told Jay Goldstone, chief operating officer, that such a list might be used for political reasons. Reynolds wrote a memo describing his concerns about security risk and unauthorized use of these IP numbers. Goldstone told him to get rid of the memo. The next day Reynolds was fired for not fitting the mold of the leadership team. There is additional information: prior to the above incident, Reynolds had told Goldstone about an email between Sainz and the U-T in which Sainz used inappropriate language. For the sake of San Diego, this suit MUST be thoroughly investigated, and MUST go to trial.

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Anon92107 April 17, 2008 @ 1:57 a.m.

I wonder how many unethical practices Admiral Froman put up with before she bailed out to recover her integrity?

During this era of U-T/Davies Bloodsuckers a motto for the City of San Diego has been "Unethical Practices 'R' Us" by Golding, Murphy and Sanders puppeticians.

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Don Bauder April 17, 2008 @ 6:50 a.m.

Response to post #1: I wish Froman would come clean with San Diegans and say why she departed so abruptly. I have always heard that she could take no more of the Sanders modus operandi: all politics, no substance, no truth. Best, Don Bauder

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JohnnyVegas April 17, 2008 @ 10:52 a.m.

The depositions in this suit should shed light on the dubiously cozy relationship between Sainz and certain Union-Tribune writers.

The depositions could be a deal killer for Sanders and his re election bid.

If it comes out that Sainz comes clean (and he better under oath) about what he was feeding Alex Roth and others at the UT that will be curtains for Sanders.

See, this is why you do NOT want to get involved in this type of lawsuit over misconduct, because once the laundry starts getting aired out in a deposition it is all over.

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Don Bauder April 17, 2008 @ 11:14 a.m.

Response to post #3: Sanders's dumbbells should have thought of that when they fired Reynolds. To be dishonest is bad. To be dumb and dishonest is death. Best, Don Bauder

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Anon92107 April 19, 2008 @ 3:09 a.m.

Response to post #4:

"To be dumb and dishonest is death" but not necessarily in San Diego.

As you keep pointing out, San Diegans are the most gullible and apathetic people in America because this is just too nice a location to live, but it is much more than that, apathy is a national cancer that is allowing American Democracy to be overthrown.

American apathy and gullibility are two cultural values that have allowed corrupt republicans and braindead democrats to continue to get elected for far too long.

The fact is that none of the three candidates for president today are acceptable, they are all current Senators who have provided no leadership in Congress so they can't be expected to lead the nation.

So "dishonest" republican special interests rule while "dumb" democrats watch and do nothing leading to "death" of the Rule of Law and the American Way of Life.

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Don Bauder April 19, 2008 @ 2:02 p.m.

Response to post #5: Yes, I have to admit that some dumb and dishonest politicians have managed to survive in San Diego. Just look at some of the things the city council passed. The 60,000 seat guarantee and the Naval Training Center giveaway are just two examples. Best, Don Bauder

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JohnnyVegas April 19, 2008 @ 4:46 p.m.

The 60,000 seat guarantee and the Naval Training Center giveaway are just two examples.

I do not believe these things were done because the Clowncil is stupid, I believe they were done intentionally, on purpose.

There is NO WAY a City with a billion dollar budget can be this stupid-these were intentional acts for the benefit of the ones receiving the taxpayer largess.

As I told one of our former Assistant City Attorneys on Voice of San Diego, a first semester law student in Contracts I could have negotiated a better deal than the Chargers ticket guarantee. So the notion that a City with a stable of municipal attorneys could not is baloney-it was a set up.

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Don Bauder April 19, 2008 @ 7:21 p.m.

Response to post #7: Perhaps inadvertently, you have put your finger on one of the key issues in San Diego politics right now. As we have discussed on this blog before, trickle down economics doesn't work, but trickle down stupidity does. When both of those contracts were being negotiated, the bumbling Casey Gwinn was city attorney. Mike Aguirre had opposed both of those deals before he was elected city attorney. When he got into office, he had to replace Gwinn's cerebrally- challenged darlings. The people that Aguirre had to dump are now the most acerbic opponents of Mike in the community. They write for local media, run against him, have hate-Aguirre blogs. Yes, you are correct: some money probably changed hands under the table. Above the table, Alex Spanos (60,000 seat guarantee) and Corky McMillin (NTC) were among the biggest donors to local pols. Remember how Spanos supported Golding for U.S. Senate? (The mere thought of Golding in the Senate is bone-chilling.) Best, Don Bauder

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Anon92107 April 20, 2008 @ 3:03 a.m.

Response to post #6:

Actually Don, you have been producing volumes in addition to "just two examples" for decades and the increasingly tragic fact is that far too few people have been paying attention to U-T/Davis business, government and judicial corruption that is destroying our way of life in San Diego enough to demand that something be done about it before the We The People lemmings go off the cliff.

So get used to more unacceptable consequences than out of control firestorms as our new way of life in San Diego unless those who are supporting Francis and Aguirre become more vocal and participative in changing the course that egregious corruption and greed has put us on.

Right now our judges are our worst enemy because their corruption has stopped Aguirre from saving America's (formerly) Finest City. It's time we started putting more Greer court type judges like Murphy along with government lawyers who betray us like Dumanis in jail to join the out of control numbers already overflowing our jails throughout America.

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Don Bauder April 20, 2008 @ 7:42 a.m.

Response to post #10: In both the nation and San Diego, the biased judiciary is a major problem. Best, Don Bauder

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Anon92107 April 20, 2008 @ 3:32 p.m.

Response to post #11:

Well it's no wonder since "Brash Cash" Davies' Court of "Bloodsucker" controlled judges has replaced the Greer/Murphy Court at the U-T/Cunningham Circle of Dante's Inferno in San Diego.

San Diego and U.S. governments are devolving full circle to the pre-Democracy days of Athens before 6th century B.C.

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Don Bauder April 20, 2008 @ 4:40 p.m.

Response to post #11: There have been some interesting books written recently on the subject you address in your second paragraph. Best, Don Bauder

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Anon92107 April 21, 2008 @ 3:29 a.m.

Response to post #12:

It's not surprising that more and more books are being written on our problems because implementable solutions appear to be more elusive than ever before in this age of 20th century Savagery that continues into the 21st century without pause.

So the Bloodsuckers are just the new vandals sacking our political, economic and social systems while our courts look the other way, our legislators watch and do nothing and We The People are mesmerized by "reality" shows.

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Don Bauder April 21, 2008 @ 7:03 a.m.

Response to post #13: It's time for another book on the sellout of the universities. Best, Don Bauder

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Anon92107 April 21, 2008 @ 11:42 a.m.

Response to post #14:

Actually is appears that all of our institutions need a reboot to restore fundamental concepts that our Founders had in mind for American Democracy. Too many institutions have sold out We The People, and some even appear to have sold out Humanity.

Maybe the under 40 generations for Obama can make the recovery if Obama can overcome the hideous Bloodsucker controlled politics that got us into this decline mode.

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Don Bauder April 21, 2008 @ 12:33 p.m.

Response to post #15: Obama is certainly inveighing against the old politics, as well as greed. Best, Don Bauder

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DavidGUrban April 21, 2008 @ 8:03 p.m.

As you know, it was a Sept 7 2007 email between Sainz and Kittle that started all this. Pat Flannery PRA'ed the emails for a three month period covering Sept 2007, but the Sept 7 email was somehow missing in the batch he received. I have also made a PRA request for that Sept 7 email; we'll see what the response is. I'll let you know.

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Don Bauder April 21, 2008 @ 8:32 p.m.

Response to post #17: Yes, Pat Flannery's blog told how he had sought the records, but the City did not turn over that critical Sept. 7 email. Both the City and the U-T seem to have much to hide in this episode. That's why it is critically important that this matter go to court and get thoroughly investigated. I definitely want to hear what you find out about that Sept. 7 email. Best, Don Bauder

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JohnnyVegas April 21, 2008 @ 10:17 p.m.

Sainz is in deep do-do I think, and if he goes down Sanders will too, because Sainz is an anchor around Sanders neck. And if old Fred is not shaking in his boots right now then he has a screw or two loose.

I wonder if Chris Reed will fit into this puzzle??? After posting on his UT blog a few times (and getting the same accusations that I am Bruce Henderson, Mike Aguirre, insert UT opposition name here) I was IP banned from their site! I emailed them several times asking why and they only responded with one TOS form letter/email-which I never violated............... ??

I was the biggest support of Mike on their blog-so I have to assume that is the only reason I was banned.

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Anon92107 April 22, 2008 @ 2:34 a.m.

Response to post #16:

Don, I want to test a theory based upon all I have learned from reading your columns and Scam Diego blogs over the decades:

The root cause of all of America's problems today is that the Republican Party is ruled by Bloodsuckers.

To test that theory at the San Diego level, my question to you is:

If you were to produce a Bloodsucker Hall of Infamy, would all of them be republicans, or at least 90% of them?

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Don Bauder April 22, 2008 @ 7:08 a.m.

Response to post #19: Who contacted you to ask if you were Bruce Henderson, Mike Aguirre, or somebody else? Please let me know. Did you get an email from the U-T asking your identity, or a phone call? Even the U-T should be intelligent enough to know that controversy feeds the success of blogs. The newspaper's visceral hatred of Aguirre does interfere with intelligent decision-making, however. I think it's because that hatred comes from the top and nobody dares challenge it. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder April 22, 2008 @ 7:13 a.m.

Response to post #20: It would be a Hall of Shame, or Hall of Infamy, not Hall of Fame. Democrats are only a bit less irresponsible than Republicans these days. Did you see the way Democrat Chris Dodd mollycoddled Bernanke in the Bear Stearns hearings? He didn't ask Bernanke the key questions -- deliberately. Ditto for other Democrats. It wouldn't be 90-10. More like 60-40 or 55-45. Just listen to Hillary Clinton courting the redneck Pennsylvania vote these days ("obliterate Iran") etc. Best, Don Bauder

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JohnnyVegas April 22, 2008 @ 8:25 a.m.

Who contacted you to ask if you were Bruce Henderson, Mike Aguirre, or somebody else? Please let me know. Did you get an email from the U-T asking your identity, or a phone call?

The other posters are the ones that always made the accusations about me being Henderson, Mike and so forth (I'm not), never the UT itself. One person even thinks I am a Bob Ilko, a former candidate for Clowncil, who I had never even heard of until that one came out of left field.

I sent them the email asking why they blocked me, they only replied with a form letter-nothing specific in response to my request. At first they only blocked my handle, so I changed it, then after a few days they would block the new handle. I would just keep changing it. My last handle lasted less than 24 hours and then they did the IP block. I can change my IP in 20 seconds if I wanted to, but I know they will keep blocking what I have to say..........

But it was the same day I was on Chris Reed's blog posting, and everyone there was aware of my positions.

Just weird stuff.

Now, I got a lot of heat from other people/gov. employees/cops/FF's about my positions, because I was pretty much the first to really rag on the pension and pay pf PD and FD, then after I started alot of others started speaking up also. So I know there are many, many people that are walking alongside me.

I think the real test for cleaning up this City is gong to be if Mike Aguirre is re elected. I think he will win re election very easily-possibly in the run off if the others spilt votes, giving Mike a 50%+ win.

That will be it though, the real test of where the citizens of this City are at-the election. If Mike wins it will be crystal clear, a mandate if you will.

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Justice4all April 22, 2008 @ 10:30 a.m.

I dont even post much anymore on the U-T boards. Its always the same people with a vested interest (in their own pay/pensions) posting on there. What they need to do is monitor city-owned computers to see who is spending their workdays posting on there!

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Anon92107 April 22, 2008 @ 11:13 a.m.

Response to post #22:

Does San Diego's Bloodsucker Hall of Infamy (as nominated by Don Bauder's columns and Scam Diego Blogs) have the same "More like 60-40 or 55-45" ratio?

With the U-T and Davies controlling republican puppeticians I was getting the idea that close to 100% of San Diego's Bloodsuckers are republicans.

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JF April 22, 2008 @ 1:14 p.m.

Johnny, Perhaps it was your continued tirade of insults that got you banned, not your positions. Remember that the U-T was one of the first publishing about the pension system. Remember that they have printed many, many anti-union editorials. I'd think that their position and yours would be in alignment.

Their TOS is pretty standard. Here's a few quotes: "Do not post threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, vulgar, pornographic, profane or indecent information of any kind."

"Use common sense and good judgment when posting messages. Avoid posting hurtful or derogatory comments."

I've written many times that I don't mind one bit if your viewpoint is in opposition to mine. I've had some good dialog with Don, Justice4all, etc. without all the insults flying. Without all the "welfare queen" and "Boom" crap.

What I do mind is when you stretch the truth to 'prove' your point of view. Your bit about how all firefighters and cops start at $100K/year comes to mind, as does your claim that firefighters average $200K/year. Those bits of information just aren't true. Frankly, neither is half the stuff you "quote".

Here's a challenge to you. Start providing citations for your work. Use actual government documents or studies. Then maybe you'll get some respect.

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JF April 22, 2008 @ 1:16 p.m.

Johnny, PS, no I didn't report you to the U-T.

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Don Bauder April 22, 2008 @ 2:06 p.m.

Response to post #25: If you can believe Sainz (admittedly, not many people do), Chris Reed of the U-T asked for city attorney office IP addresses. Presumably, that was for monitoring purposes. Reed wanted to know if Aguirre's employees were posting items that were flattering to their boss. Apparently, the IP addresses were never delivered (again, if you can believe Sainz). If the U-T is doing this, it should tell its potential posters what it may be doing to them. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder April 22, 2008 @ 2:09 p.m.

Response to post #26: When I said the white hat/black hat split may be 60-40 or 55-45, I was talking about the national scene. In San Diego, it would be more like 80-20 or 85-15. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder April 22, 2008 @ 2:12 p.m.

Response to posts #27 and #28: I don't think Johnny is guilty of inflammatory or abusive rhetoric. Both you and he do a good job coming up with facts to support your positions. Best, Don Bauder

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historymatters April 22, 2008 @ 2:31 p.m.

Thank God the truth about Sanders is coming out in a big way! And this doesnt even address all the developer favors and money he has received. Get the Party started. We are about to get our city back!!!

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JohnnyVegas April 22, 2008 @ 3:42 p.m.

Johnny, Perhaps it was your continued tirade of insults that got you banned, not your positions. =============

Nah.... because I was posing under several handles and I never made any "continued tirade of insults" under the new handles. In fact I never made any "continued tirade of insults", I just spoke my mind. I was on my best behaviour-so that is not it.

No, Chris Reed got me banned-there is no other logical explanation. That's cool, no biggie.

The funny thing is, there are now a number of people posting on the UT's site (just look at the council's car allowance posts from today) and flipping out over the pay and pensions of the City workers and using my registered trade mark "welfare queen" terminology......lol!

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JohnnyVegas April 22, 2008 @ 3:44 p.m.

32.

Thank God the truth about Sanders is coming out in a big way! Get the Party started. We are about to get our city back!!!

I'm with you!

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Don Bauder April 22, 2008 @ 3:52 p.m.

Response to post #32: The hate-Aguirre propaganda mill operated by Fred Sainz is so typical of the Sanders crew. The Reader will expose more of it. And more of Sanders's snug ties to real estate developers. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder April 22, 2008 @ 3:55 p.m.

Response to post #33: The words "welfare queen" aptly describe San Diego's recipients of corporate welfare, and also some of the employees and retirees with excessive salaries and fringes. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder April 22, 2008 @ 3:57 p.m.

Response to post #34: Me too. All aboard! Best, Don Bauder

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JF April 22, 2008 @ 7:37 p.m.

Ah... well, there ya have it. Your "registered trademark 'welfare queen'" was actually first used by Ronald Reagan. Another TOS violation.

If you really think Chris Reed has a personal bone to pick with you, perhaps you should reconsider. I've proven a lot of their writers wrong about what they've written about the retirement system. I'm still there. Again, the UT has a policy of being anti city worker and anti union. Why would they ban you for agreeing?

And yes, several other posters do agree with you. That's what a democracy is about. But a lot of others have simply posted, "Thank you firefighters, you deserve a raise". They don't give a hoot about all of your rants.

I would certainly be interested in seeing all of these blogs have a counter on the page to track web views -- especially if it only counted distinct IP addresses. How about it, Don?

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JohnnyVegas April 22, 2008 @ 9:29 p.m.

Your "registered trademark 'welfare queen'" was actually first used by Ronald Reagan. Another TOS violation.

JF, using the term "Welfare Queen" is NOT a TOS violation! Get serious.

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Don Bauder April 22, 2008 @ 10:06 p.m.

Response to post #38: Firefighters may deserve a raise, but they don't if there is no money to pay them. And that's the situation. As to counters of distinct IP addresses: that's not my department. I just write. I don't make such decisions. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder April 22, 2008 @ 10:08 p.m.

Response to post #39: Here's how elderly and out of touch I am: I don't know what the acronym TOS stands for. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder April 22, 2008 @ 9:25 a.m.

Response to post #23: I agree that you were one of the first to report accurately on City pension and pay abuses. You have done a very good job on that. We welcome your contributions, and also the contributions of JF, your adversary on these matters. I agree that Aguirre's re-election would mean that San Diegans want to continue reform. Of course, the U-T has never been for reform. That may explain its behavior. I should add something on Sainz and Chris Reed. On April 18, 2008, the U-T reported that Sainz claimed he asked for the city attorney IP records to respond to a public records request from U-T editorial writer and blogger Chris Reed. Best, Don Bauder

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Russ Lewis April 22, 2008 @ 10:54 p.m.

Don, I was gonna ask if I was the only dumbs**t who didn't know what that stood for. Anybody want to enlighten us?

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Anon92107 April 23, 2008 @ 2:38 a.m.

Response to post #30:

Most interesting difference between “60-40 or 55-45” nationally and “80-20 or 85-15” republican vs. democratic Bloodsuckers in San Diego.

So Washington is really Bloodsucker Country on both sides of the aisle which is a most interesting cultural difference from our new Third World City of San Diego whose puppeticians are totally controlled by U-T/Davies corruption.

Putting this together with what the other posters on this Blog appear to be saying, it is most imperative that We Must Change The Politics In San Diego To Vote Out Bloodsucker Controlled Republican Politicians. And that’s still a most challenging accomplishment in a city that voted Golding-Murphy-Sanders into office to cause the financial crisis and out of control firestorms, and still enables the Greer-Murphy culture of judicial corruption to continue to overthrow solutions to the financial crisis.

So it appears that The Reader is the one and only media headquarters for Francis and Aguirre to make this happen, with Don Bauder as the #1 journalist to Save and Restore San Diego for the Reader constituency.

Can you take it up another notch because Pennsylvania proved one more time last night that Bloodsucker Politics still rule over too much of the rest of the country even though their economy is being destroyed by the very same Bloodsucker politicians they vote for!?

“It ain’t over till it’s over” and until further notice U-T/Davies Bloodsucker Politics still rule San Diego.

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JF April 23, 2008 @ 6:22 a.m.

Don, TOS means Terms of Service. Basically, it's the rules for posting on a particular site. It entered the language back in the 90's, when people were complaining about being TOS'd from AOL.

Johnny, I was speaking fully tongue in cheek with my bit about "welfare queen" being trademarked. You claim it's your trademark, yet Reagan first used it, and used it often. Misusing a trademark is yet another TOS violation. Get it now?

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Fred Williams April 23, 2008 @ 7:17 a.m.

Oops, should have refreshed before defining TOS.

Don, with standard blog monitoring software, you can see the IP of each poster. This is useful for posters who assume multiple identities.

What the UT was trying to do was prove that city attorney employees were posting during working hours using city computers.

Please, Don, ask your site administrator to do the same. Let's see how many Scott Peters/Jim Madaffer employees are using their city computers to vilify Aguirre on Reader blogs.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, heh?

All that's missing is Fred Sainz giving you a list of city IP addresses...but I bet they won't do that for the Reader, only their friends in the media.

Interesting stuff. Wonder how difficult it would be to just figure out those IP's without the city providing the list. I'd think this would be fairly easy...will find out.

Best,

Fred

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Don Bauder April 23, 2008 @ 7:19 a.m.

Response to post #43: See New York Times editorial this morning, slapping Hillary Clinton for her dirty campaigning in Pennsylvania. But, unfortunately, it worked. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder April 23, 2008 @ 7:22 a.m.

Response to posts #42, #44, and #45: Thanks: Terms of Service. Now I hope I don't forget it. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder April 23, 2008 @ 7:25 a.m.

Response to post #46: Sainz, with the agreement of Mayor Sanders, refuses to answer questions of the Reader. Period. Best, Don Bauder

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JohnnyVegas April 23, 2008 @ 8:26 a.m.

Sainz, with the agreement of Mayor Sanders, refuses to answer questions of the Reader. Period.

I am shocked Sainz would not answer the Reader's questions!

SHOCKED I tell you!.....LOL...

Fred Sainz has big problems, and Fred's big problems are also Sanders big problems........ These problems hit the fan at exactly the right time-election time.

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Don Bauder April 23, 2008 @ 9:25 a.m.

Response to post #50: Sainz wouldn't answer Reader questions when he was the flack for the convention center. He not only won't answer Reader questions: he has told other City departments not to do so. Best, Don Bauder

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Justice4all April 23, 2008 @ 10:02 a.m.

Don, that would be interesting to ask your site admin to check IP's if only to see if any city-owned computers are being used to post on boards.

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Anon92107 April 23, 2008 @ 12:14 p.m.

Response to post #47:

It just keeps proving that We The People are our own worst enemy when it comes to electing Bloodsuckers, however this time was somewhat different because racism played a major role with prejudices that never go away in spite of the fact that Clinton has:

  1. Failed to Control her own finances proving that she is unfit to be President but this is nothing new for democrats,

  2. Failed to meet payments on health coverage for her campaign people proving that she will sacrifice healthcare regardless of consequences,

  3. Both she and Bill have been Millions selling out American jobs to foreign countries playing both sides of NAFTA, etc.,

  4. Etc., Etc., Etc.

Clinton and McCain prove your point about Bloodsuckers filling seats on both sides of the aisle.

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Don Bauder April 23, 2008 @ 12:45 p.m.

Response to post #52. It would be interesting, but looking into that is not within my purview. Best, Don Bauder

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DavidGUrban April 29, 2008 @ 2:44 p.m.

Just following up, Don. It appears that neither I nor any other interested party will be looking at that Sainz to Kittle "F*** Aguirre" e-mail soon. The mayor's office is blocking release, claiming protection under the Public Records Act provision that allows exceptions if litagation is taking place.

The only one with a legal stance to get it now is Pat Flannery, since he made his PRA request well before any litagation began. This will be interesting.

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JohnnyVegas April 30, 2008 @ 3:26 p.m.

It appears that neither I nor any other interested party will be looking at that Sainz to Kittle "F*** Aguirre" e-mail soon.

Does anyone have access to this email?? How do we know it says "F*** Aguirre" if no one has seen it???

I'll tell you this, if it DOES say that the City will HAVE to settle the case before trial.

If the "F*** Aguirre" part is accurate a jury will hang Sainz and the City from their thumb nails (or other body parts). If that were to happen I would have to file a citizen's lawsuit against Sainz seeking indemnification and reimbursement for his actions. The taxpayers should not have to pay liability for that type of intentional act by Sainz.

I would like to know what is in this email.

I don't see how KFC Sanders can claim the email is not subject to the public reords request though. If that were the case the government could claim all documents were not subject to disclosure based on pontential litigation.

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Don Bauder April 30, 2008 @ 9:38 p.m.

Response to post #59: The worst-kept secret in town is that Sainz has been feeding Kittle all kinds of hit pieces on Aguirre. Kittle seems to print them before looking into their authenticity, and that has gotten the U-T into trouble several times. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder April 30, 2008 @ 7:17 p.m.

Response to post #55: Then there's this angle: Sanders says the vulgar letter can't be released to the press. But it was sent to Robert Kittle of the U-T in the first place. Hmmm. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder April 30, 2008 @ 7:30 p.m.

Response to post #56: Legalities aside, how about the intelligence of sending out such emails when he knew, or should have known, that they would become public? Sainz is best known for being loose with the truth. Maybe he should be better known for being stupid. Best, Don Bauder

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DavidGUrban April 30, 2008 @ 9:05 p.m.

JV,

Perhaps I should clarify: I (or anyone else) do not know exactly what the now infamous e-mail from Sainz to Kittle said. We know it was flagged for foul language, and that it referred to members of Aguirre's staff. The shorthand term "F*** Aguirre e-mail" is just a way of condensing the whole issue which revolves around a smear campaign directed by the mayor's office towards another elected official (Aguirre), and was not a literal translation.

The ethical implications of such a smear campaign do not need to be debated. The fact that the mayor's office would stoop to this type of behavior is appalling, and it is doubly compounded by the complicity of a major metropolitan newspaper.

Any journalist worth the name would have aired this dirty laundry and given both sides an opportunity to speak their piece. Instead, the paper has chosen sides and seeks to destroy one party for the benefit of another, using inside information.

The public receives only part of the story, good men like Rick Reynolds are fired, and insiders continue to benefit and stack up their chips.

Slowly but surely, though, people are speaking up.

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Russ Lewis May 1, 2008 @ 12:18 p.m.

The First Law of the Internet states that E-MAIL GETS FORWARDED. Never forget this.

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Don Bauder May 1, 2008 @ 12:33 p.m.

Response to comment #61: We should all keep that in mind -- especially those of us who are prone to using naughty words occasionally. Best, Don Bauder

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JohnnyVegas May 2, 2008 @ 7:49 a.m.

Response to comment #61: We should all keep that in mind -- especially those of us who are prone to using naughty words occasionally.

The Mayors office released the Fred Sainz F-Bomb email and the UT posted a copy on their website last night (May 1) at about 11:00 PM.

The F-Bomb email was not there this morning when I logged on at 7 AM. Don't know what the deal is, but if the UT has it so will/does everyone else.

Both Sainz and Sanders should be fired- just for hiding that email behind the bogus claim of attorney-client work privilage.

But as bad as that email was, it was not nearly as bad as I had imagined-I use much worse language on a consistant basis-but not in emails...lol.

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Don Bauder May 2, 2008 @ 12:02 p.m.

Response to post #63: The letter should be back on U-T site. I picked it up much later than 7 a.m. If Sanders is defeated in the upcoming election, the Sainz problem is over. Best, Don Bauder

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