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The New York Times has reported that National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell says there is little progress on moving a team to the Los Angeles market. "I'm not at the point where I would tell you that anything is imminent or that we have a solution identified at this point in time," said the commissioner. "There is progress, but we have heard that before."

The Chargers, Oakland Raiders, and St. Louis Rams are believed to be the leading candidates for a relocation to the rich L.A. market, greatly because they can exit their stadium leases next year. The league favors a downtown L.A. site over other possible locations such as City of Industry, Carson, and Inglewood, said the Times. The mayor of Los Angeles, Eric Garcetti, says he is unwilling to subsidize construction of a stadium.

The Times story doesn't mention this, but the Chargers, Raiders, and Rams are located in cities that can't afford a subsidy for a stadium, although St. Louis, which paid 100 percent of the cost of the domed stadium the team now plays in (opened in 1995), is working on alternative sites.

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danfogel Dec. 16, 2014 @ 7:35 a.m.

According to my sources, executives with to of the teams interested in moving to Los Angeles have been looking at the possibility of Victoria Regional Park and golf course in Carson as a possible site for a stadium. For those not familiar with the area, it's just east of the 405/110 interchange.

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aardvark Dec. 16, 2014 @ 11:26 a.m.

That would make multiple sites available, as The League still also likes the site downtown (but only if the NFL can get AEG to drop the demands for partial ownership of any team who plays there), and The League has always liked the site adjacent to Dodger Stadium (but would have to deal with ex-Dodger owner Frank McCourt as he controls that property). Also--ironically, that site is adjacent to where the Chargers held training camp for 2 years, and for those familiar with the Goodyear Blimp--it's mooring site in Carson is also adjacent to the possible stadium site.

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2014 @ 12:33 p.m.

aardvark: It's a mare's nest in L.A. The team has been given more time to sort things out, but that may be impossible. L.A. is a huge and rich market, and the league wants one or two teams there, even though the last two L.A. teams -- Rams and Raiders -- were not drawing well before they departed in the mid-1990s. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2014 @ 12:21 p.m.

danfogel: That is interesting. I had not heard that. The Times mentions that Carson is a possibility, but the league really prefers downtown. L.A. pols want expansion of convention center space downtown. That has been tied up with the negotiations for a downtown stadium site. Best, Don Bauder

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Visduh Dec. 16, 2014 @ 7:40 a.m.

Since I don't follow LA politics, I hadn't formed much of an opinion of Garcetti. If he sticks to his guns about providing no subsidy for a new stadium, and there's no reason to think otherwise, he could turn out to be a good mayor there. Or as good a mayor as such a city can ever elect.

As an aside, are the Rams telling St Louis that their stadium is inadequate and too old? That's a favorite ploy in these deals, even when the facility is excellent.

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aardvark Dec. 16, 2014 @ 11:52 a.m.

The stadium is outdated (as per their lease with the city) in that it must be in the top 25 percentile of stadia in the NFL. Great lease done by the Rams, and not so great for the city of St Louis. Since the dome in St Louis is one of the smallest NFL venues, and other stadiums have passed it by in terms of technology and luxury boxes and bigger locker rooms, etc., etc., The Rams lease with the city allows them to leave after this season (with no $$ penalty) if the stadium is not improved to the top 25 percentile. St Louis has offered somewhere in the neighborhood of $125 mil in improvements, but the Rams want something in the neighborhood of $700 mil in changes. The Rams can announce their intentions in February--if they decide to stay in St Louis, the lease becomes year-to-year (I believe). Recently, the city of St Louis has been frantically trying to come up with other stadium sites or basically anything that will keep the Rams there.

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2014 @ 12:38 p.m.

aardvark: The St. Louis deal was neither the first nor last time a team hornswoggled a city. In negotiations, teams have high-paid lawyers and cities have their own second-string attorneys. There is tremendous pressure on politicians to subsidize the billionaires' teams. There is money that passes under the table to the pols -- San Diego is an example of that. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2014 @ 12:26 p.m.

Visduh: The Rams story in St. Louis is revolting. The domed stadium only opened in 1995. Should every stadium be abandoned after 19 years? Ridiculous. However, St. Louis agreed that the stadium had to be state of the art compared to other stadiums -- a stupid concession on the city's part. The Rams say the stadium is not state of the art, so the team can move.

As to Garcetti saying he opposes a public subsidy: other mayors have said that, too, and ultimately caved in. Best, Don Bauder

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aardvark Dec. 16, 2014 @ 1:07 p.m.

Don: Atlanta's Georgia Dome is an antique at 22 years old. Oh, and it's also being replaced with a new dome not far away. At least the Falcons are paying for a vast majority of the new dome (for what that is worth). Also, the Atlanta Braves are soon moving to a new baseball stadium in near-by Cobb County--which is replacing the ancient 18-year old Turner Field. The Braves are paying at least $230 million--of the $622 million ballpark. That's almost $2 billion being spent to replace a domed stadium and baseball park that are 22 and 18 years old respectively. Talk about insanity.

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Visduh Dec. 16, 2014 @ 1:45 p.m.

Having had experience with Atlantans--more than I ever cared to have--I can say they are all insane, some more than others, but generally insane. Why do I know? They like that city and the climate and everything about it.

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2014 @ 6:32 p.m.

Visduh: It is said the baseball team plans to move because its current stadium is close to neighborhoods populated by African-Americans. The new site will be in mainly white suburbia. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2014 @ 6:30 p.m.

aardvark: Agreed. This is insanity. Some college stadiums are now more than a century old, although, of course, they have been maintained and expanded.

The record goes to the NBA's Miami Heat. It got taxpayers to build an arena. Then the economics changed -- luxury seats, boxes, etc. became the way to make big bucks. So the Heat got taxpayers to pick up the tab again for a new arena -- either five or seven years after the first was built. Best, Don Bauder

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danfogel Dec. 16, 2014 @ 8:54 p.m.

don bauder, Soldier Field is a good example. It's 90 years old. About 10 yrs ago it underwent a major reno, to the tune of about $800 million. So much of the stadium was changed that it was taken off the list of National Historic Landmarks. BTW, I read a couple of hours ago that the Chargers officially announced that they will NOT be exercising their right to terminate their lease at the Murph. So I guess San DIego is stuck with them for another year...at least.

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2014 @ 4:23 p.m.

danfogel: Yes, Chicago's Soldier Field is very old, and the rehab was very expensive. But it was probably cheaper than building a new one. In Chicago, Soldier Field is an historic landmark.

Yes, the Chargers won't be exercising their right to depart in 2015. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill Dec. 16, 2014 @ 7:30 p.m.

I get the feeling the focus of the corporate welfare for sports teams efforts in SD now may be on getting the MLB all-star game to SD.

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2014 @ 8:46 p.m.

ImJustABill: The downtown corporate welfare folks are making big claims about how remunerative a baseball All-Star game is. The U-T, of course, is hawking the claims. Don't listen. Just consider it intuitively: how many out-of-town people are going to come for the All-Star game? (I'm not counting North and South County. I'm counting people from a distance. Maybe some LAers and Zonies will come. I doubt if many.) Best, Don Bauder

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danfogel Dec. 16, 2014 @ 8:50 p.m.

There is no formal application or selection committee for the all-star game. The commissioner's office simply informs the team it has been chosen about a year and a half ahead of time.Cincinnati will host the 2015 game, Baltimore wants the 2016 to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the opening of Camden Yards. That means 2017 at the earliest and if San Diego doesn't get that one, it will be another 2 yrs minimum as the game alternates between NL and AL stadiums. I've heard that Petco is not a popular choice because it's a pitcher's park. Hard to have a HR contest when it's that difficult for guys to get the ball out.

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aardvark Dec. 16, 2014 @ 11:01 p.m.

If a franchise doesn't apply to host the ASG, they won't get it. And the HD Derby would be held around 5 pm here, so the (alleged) effect of the marine layer would be negated.

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aardvark Dec. 17, 2014 @ 12:10 a.m.

The above should say HR derby--I worked at Home Depot for 25 years, so HD is almost automatic off the keyboard.

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2014 @ 4:30 p.m.

danfogel: May the most subsidized team win. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2014 @ 4:29 p.m.

aardvark: Is it kosher to say home run derby? Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2014 @ 4:27 p.m.

danfogel: Excellent point. You come up with so many good points. Petco may not be a good location for an All-Star game because it is a pitcher's park.

However, my guess is that Major League Baseball is like the NFL: it rewards teams that screw their home city into subsidizing a baseball stadium. So eventually San Diego will get the game. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill Dec. 17, 2014 @ 9:30 p.m.

And Petco went with posterior-kissing which was above and beyond the call of duty by naming a plaza to honor Bud Selig, hoping that puts them over the top to get an ASG

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2014 @ 7:38 a.m.

ImJustABill: It's my theory that Selig got the commissioner's job because the screwing he gave Milwaukee and Wisconsin was considered monumental by owners. He claimed he would build a Brewers stadium with his own money; the only public money would go for moving an expressway. In the end, Selig paid nothing for the stadium; taxpayers picked up the entire tab. For that coup, he got the top job and the owners' eternal admiration. Best, Don Bauder

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ImJustABill Dec. 16, 2014 @ 7:33 p.m.

Petco Park was supported in large part due to the Padres' World Series run.

However, a Super Bowl run doesn't look likely at this point for the Bolts. They have an outside chance to get in the playoffs as a wild card but after double-digit HOME losses to the Broncos and Patriots it's clear they don't have any realistic chance to go to the Super Bowl.

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2014 @ 8:49 p.m.

ImJustABill: The Chargers end the season with two away games -- one at San Francisco, one at Kansas City. The 49ers may be demoralized, but Kansas City is always difficult to play at its home field. Yes, it will not be easy for the Chargers to make the playoffs. Best, Don Bauder

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aardvark Dec. 24, 2014 @ 7:10 a.m.

Interesting to me that yesterday (December 23rd), Fabiani and the Chargers finally blinked--in an interview, Fabiani said that basically something has to happen with a new stadium in 2015, since the Chargers can't wait until November of 2016 for a ballot proposition for a new stadium. And nary a peep was heard from anyone at the Manchester U-T. Reports are that Mayor Faulconer will have something to say about this in January. It's coming--hold onto your wallets.

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