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“What are we doing with our police department?” Oceanside resident J.C. Clayford asked the city council on Wednesday, September 8.

Clayford expressed concern regarding several recent controversies that have involved Oceanside police officers. He alleged that there had been a case of a female officer showing another officer inappropriate pictures of herself while on duty. Clayford also spoke of another female officer who would “stalk” her ex-husband and run tags on vehicles coming and going to her ex-husband’s property.

Further, Clayford questioned the firing of one officer that was involved in another officer’s DUI case. According to Clayford, the city attorney’s office said the firing of Gilbert Garcia is appropriate, yet he’s receiving unemployment.

“So, if he’s fired, what is he doing receiving unemployment?” asked Clayford. “And how is that appropriate?”

Continuing, Clayford said there are at least five Oceanside police officers that have current DUIs on their record.

“Do we have confidence and faith in this police department still?” Clayford asked the council. “Do we not think it’s time to get a new police chief? We have 135 police officers and out of that 135, I would say that at least 10 of them shouldn’t be there…this all goes back to leadership. This only happens when your leadership is bad.”

As a comparison, Clayford mentioned that out of the 3000 officers in the LAPD, only 3 have DUIs.

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SurfPuppy619 Sept. 10, 2010 @ 11:33 p.m.

Continuing, Clayford said there are at least five Oceanside police officers that have current DUIs on their record.

If they were hired with DUI's on their record then something is wrong, they were connected in, plain and simple. There is NO excuse for hiring a cop with a SERIOUS misdemeanor on their record, which a DUI is, in fact it is one of the most serious misdemeanor crimes there is IMO.

If they received it after hire-then you sit down and give them a stern warning, a second DUi and you're fired.

No excuse for DUI's from cops.

I do not believe for one second that LAPD, who have 9K+ sworn cops-not 3K- only have 3 with DUI's.

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Founder Sept. 11, 2010 @ 9:15 a.m.

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I would imagine that it is MUCH HARDER for a Officer to get a DUI then for a regular motorist because of all the "heat" (no pun intended) involved!

Officers are human, as the story clearly shows and they must be under huge pressure to let a fellow Officer "slide by" rather than issue them a DUI ticket! Probably the only thing that comes close is issuing a ticket to a Politico...

We as citizens of SD are only seeing the tip of the DUI iceberg and that is the real story!

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SurfPuppy619 Sept. 11, 2010 @ 3:54 p.m.

Founder-I don't think that is true any longer b/c of the seriousness of a DUI.

I am positive the CHP won't let ANYONE slide on a DUI-cops, judges anyone, their current policy is to book ALL suspected DUI's. I would imagine most large metro agencies are the same, but don't knwo for sure.

But smaller muni and county LE is a different story and you're right that they may offer "professional courtesy" in DUI cases. And that is how innocent people end up dead.

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Burwell Sept. 11, 2010 @ 4:09 p.m.

Most LAPD officers are Mormons, and they don't use alcohol.

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David Dodd Sept. 11, 2010 @ 4:50 p.m.

Most LAPD officers are on steroids and steroids don't mix well with alcohol so they avoid drinking.

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SurfPuppy619 Sept. 11, 2010 @ 9:43 p.m.

Most LAPD officers are Mormons, and they don't use alcohol

Mormons, LOL...who told you that B???

Most LAPD-like all major metro CA gov agencies- come from the 4 major hiring groups, family, friends, military and lawsuit decrees.

In fact the LAPD "revolver club" has a clubhouse at the Academy in Elsian Park, and they would gather there on pay days and drink alcohol. This went on until a year ago or so when one of the cops got plastered and died when he crashed his LAPD mototcycle on the way home. No more drinking at the academy on pay days.

The LAPD is known for specific bars where they hang out and get hammered.

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SurfPuppy619 Sept. 12, 2010 @ 7:43 p.m.

Surfpuppy, maybe what burwell meant to say is most LAPD officers are morons and they shouldn't use alcohol. =======

That would make more sense!

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Founder Sept. 13, 2010 @ 8:29 a.m.

Let's hope for LA and all the rest of our Cities that our Law Enforcement Officers are neither of the names you both mentioned...

If American "Law Enforcement" sinks to that of a Third World Country, then our Country will also go downhill very fast...

I'm proud to report that on the two "Ride-Along's" I went on with SDPD, (1 regular & 1 DUI sweep), I was impressed with the Officers I met and their Professionalism! Could they use some help, sure? Are there some "bad apples" in every large group, sure? But I don't think it is fair to label any group because of the few "bad apples" that make the headlines...

Should we demand more from our Leaders, sure? I urge everyone to request to do a "Ride-Along", as you will learn more about what our Police Officers are actually doing...

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SurfPuppy619 Sept. 14, 2010 @ 7:05 p.m.

Oh, I have done many ride alongs, and have seen much more behind the scenes than that, believe me.

Cops are not hired on merit-and as I have said before-if they hired 100% on merit based testing the entire make up of all major metro PD's would be 100% different than they are today....and it would be light years better.

The last big name cop to be hired on merit via civil service testing was LAPD Chief Darryle Gates, and that was over 30 years ago.....

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David Dodd Sept. 15, 2010 @ 12:08 a.m.

"Cops are not hired on merit-and as I have said before-if they hired 100% on merit based testing the entire make up of all major metro PD's would be 100% different than they are today....and it would be light years better."

I can't say about Los Angeles or San Diego, but I've had a friend I've known for about ten years now. When I got to know her, she lived on the East Coast, worked in an office. Very smart gal, bought her own home when she was still in her mid-twenties. Type of gal I'd want my daughters to become.

Eventually, she met a guy that lives in a large Northern State in a modest-sized city. They fell in love and married and they moved there. This was roughly five years ago. She entered the police academy there and graduated and became a cop. A few months ago, she became a detective. Her achievements are due to her hard work and PLACING 1st ON HER EXAMS, nothing else.

While I have no idea about not being hired on merit in San Diego or Los Angeles, I know for a fact that it works by testing and passing an exam - regardless of other officer's recommendations - in other cities. SP, if you know of any such promotions where testing was ignored, by all means, spell it out here or email it to Don. That's a story that needs to be told.

It is certainly possible to be promoted without gaining the highest score, based on other events (job-based merits), but if the test score isn't high, any job-based merits won't work.

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SurfPuppy619 Sept. 15, 2010 @ 7:14 p.m.

Gates did alot of good things, like originating the SWAT program

Darryle Gates did not originate the SWAT team, he was the supervisor that went with the concept, but it originated with Officer John Nelson.

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SurfPuppy619 Sept. 15, 2010 @ 7:20 p.m.

SP, if you know of any such promotions where testing was ignored, by all means, spell it out here or email it to Don. That's a story that needs to be told.

Hiring is not based on civil service testing, nor are promotions. Not in LA not SD, the MAIN hiring factor is the infamous "oral interview" which is 100% subjective and is what allows the cronyism and nepotism to flourish. Same goes for hiring the chief-interviews (by the city council), no civil service testing anymore.

What we need is a system where hiring AND promotions are 100% based on objective testing, like the woman you speak of refried.

I have said it numerous times in this thread-if the testing were 100% objective the entire make up of police would be different. Same with Fire Dept's.

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