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Carlsbad mall security banishes steampunk group
Mike Tabor.... I have held it in too long now..... You and all your little whiny, self centered, bitch ass steampunks can all go F!%$ yourselves. You are all a F*%$king joke and full of shit! No one gives a shit about any of you! Steampunk is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen or heard of. Moronic, simple minded people playing dress up..... F%$#ing pathetic!!! Just like Mr. Tabor!— March 7, 2014 5:03 p.m.
Carlsbad mall security banishes steampunk group
Posted by Douglas Thorpe Richard there is no violation of civil rights unless the actor is the government or is acting as an agent of the government. Since this is Commifornia there might well be a state code that proscribes ambiguous refusal of services by commercial establishments. I consider myself to be a damn fine lawyer and I am always a champion for Constitutional protections but if this group were my clients I would: 1. Tell them there is no legal cause of action and I am not taking your money because you will never win anything even IF we made it past summary judgment; and, 2. A well delivered communication to the management (not security) is likely to result is a better result than pointless litigation. Again, none of the rights protected by the Constitution apply to private actors (not the government). Private people are free to discriminate all they wish. Period. So... Mercy Baron, being an unbiased reporter and not a Steampunk fanatic... please get your story straight and know all the facts before you post things that are not correct and in fact, are lies.— February 18, 2014 11:44 a.m.
Carlsbad mall security banishes steampunk group
an angrygnome indeed! I guess people have nothing better to do, that cry about being told to leave the mall due to being in costume. You broke the rules, you did not like being told to leave by security, now you are crying and trying to make a federal case out of it. Little to people realize that you have NO leg to stand on. First amendment rights to not come into play with this incident. Please go on with your lives and stop crying about petty things... you are only making YOURSELVES feel better with your rants. Your are coming across like spoiled children who were told no!!!— February 18, 2014 10:37 a.m.
Carlsbad mall security banishes steampunk group
JackWizafir.... go back to craigslist with your childish insults— February 17, 2014 8:47 a.m.
Carlsbad mall security banishes steampunk group
This coming from a reporter who just happens to be a steampunk fanatic..... interesting. ...— February 16, 2014 9:21 p.m.
Carlsbad mall security banishes steampunk group
and by the way... I never said I saw 40 people surrounding security... please read more carefully next time.— February 16, 2014 1:51 p.m.
Carlsbad mall security banishes steampunk group
**Over 40 people in steampunk garb (Victorian dress meets sci-fi/time traveler) were turned away from the Westfield Plaza Mall in Carlsbad on February 9 — mall security told them to leave because they were breaking the mall’s “code of conduct.”** Exact quote from above article..... FINALLY someone pointed out the fact that 40 people were not involved. I wonder what else in the article is, in fact, false— February 16, 2014 1:48 p.m.
Carlsbad mall security banishes steampunk group
So the fact that a group of 40 or so white, middle aged, presumably well educated people who were dressed in costumes went to the mall to do a "Flash Mob" (direct quote from your own steam punk group and posted online) on the carousel, without prior consent of mall management and were told they could not do so... is discrimination??? I find that interesting. I am sure the Westfield legal team did not spend countless hours and money coming up with the wording of the "code of conduct". I am sure that Westfield did not spend anytime what-so-ever making sure that their security team did not know the exact meaning of the code of conduct and how they are to enforce it. So steam punks have every right in the world to go to a mall for a flash mob, because they presumed it would be ok? And when told NO, its discrimination? Who gives a damn what your were dressed as.... policy was enforced. Period! No one discriminated against your steam punk group for telling them they could not be in the mall in costume. Also.... the mall, as landlords, have the right to refuse service to anyone. Its also funny how I personally witnessed a security officer hand a member of your group a copy of the code of conduct within the first 5 minutes of the interaction.— February 15, 2014 11:48 a.m.
Carlsbad mall security banishes steampunk group
CODE OF CONDUCT Congregating and loitering in groups of three (3) or more..... Engaging in expressive activity not sponsored by the center and/or an enterprise(s) engaged in business at the center, without complying with the center's rules for such activity.... Photographing or videotaping any individual or entity on the center's property without prior consent of the subject or center management...... I just had to go get the code of conduct. I did not even include the no costumes portion.. everyone else has and no one seems to care that it says no costumes. So I wonder how long it took all of you "fine ladies and gentlemen" to exit the mall. 5 minutes or 45 minutes? How many of you surrounded the two security officer's? No wonder ONE CARLSBAD Police officer showed up. I am so tired of people thinking they are better than others and are ALLOWED to due whatever they please, where ever they please and when ever they please... and get upset and called harassment and discrimination when they are told NO. I honestly believe that you "fine ladies and gentlemen" need to loosen your corset's and top hats and realize that mall security enforcing mall policy and you felt that it did not pertain to yourselves I find it hard to hold my tongue at some of the absolute outrageous claims that some have posted. Harassment. Discrimination. Banishment... all of it hogwash You were told NO... you did not like that.... plain and simple. STOP trying to blame others for doing their jobs and following rules and maybe look within yourselves to see if all of these outlandish claims you are making are 100% accurate. You may shock yourself.— February 14, 2014 8:39 p.m.
Carlsbad mall security banishes steampunk group
I was there. You were on private property wearing costumes and creating a disturbance. The mall had every right to ask you to leave. You were ALL very rude to the security staff... and I do not even like them. How dare you people lie and call security gang members. Shame on you all!— February 11, 2014 11:35 p.m.