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So many San Diegans carry guns
@chaseplace "Oh and bye the way, the law has changed on National Parks. One can now carry loaded in a National park as well as a Natioanl Forest. I have done both." You can't carry in an NP yet, the new law signed by Obama takes effect in February. Do it now and you're committing a felony. @gringorefrito OK, so you're talking about the comments, and perhaps some people got a little huffy. So? Doesn't change the fact that CA's laws against defensive firearm carry are racist in origin, and that these open carry guys are worth supporting.— July 22, 2009 7:55 a.m.
So many San Diegans carry guns
gringorefrito: "irrational" So? You don't have to show "need" to exercise Constitutional, Goddess-given rights like the right to free speech or the right to capable defensive arms. They're there all the time, and neither you nor some elected official can never sign them away. "I am going to take my gun with me because I can, especially in urban locations, just to prove a point." So? Given that they didn't hurt anyone (except maybe the sensibilities of the intolerant were offended), I as a Democrat have zero problem with them doing this. It's the same as a guy standing on the street corner day after day railing against the Iraq War - I might not go out there and join him because I think he's a little extreme, but I support his viewpoint in general. Don't commit the sin of assigning motives and meaning to a movement based on their more extreme members. "I distrust the government and believe that cops don't know what they're doing, so I'm going to make them see things my way by carrying a gun." Suggest you look up "psychological projection". Carrying a gun to seek a confrontation with cops? All I saw was a law-abiding guy doing his thing, having a brief and pleasant interaction with cops, and going about his day. Perhaps you were reading a different article? "I'm part of a movement that believes that we should all walk the streets armed, and we'll do that and dare the government to take our rights away." Again, I didn't see that in the article. Can you link to the article you were reading? "the very people that needed the 2nd amendment in order to fight repression actually caused the law to be passed." Funny, I don't see a Black Panther's signature on the Mulford Act. I see Reagan's. And I see racist Republican toadies like James Watt pushing the Mulford Act through based on racist fears of suburbanites. "You call it racism, but blacks were also free to carry until the Black Panthers decided to flex their constitutional muscles." And this somehow justifies anything how? Sure, the Panthers were extreme but they didn't do anything technically illegal - and you're justifying the Mulford Act based.. on what? "It wasn't illegal but some blacks starting acting up so it should now be illegal - besides, they did it to themselves." Fegh. How utterly ignorant and intolerant. Look, we Democrats don't make laws based on what we think people "might do". That's why we're against things like preventative detention, pre-emptive war, and the drug war - and that's why the younger, more progressive members of the Democratic Party fight repressive gun control laws like the laws against open/concealed carry.— July 21, 2009 3:53 p.m.
So many San Diegans carry guns
Given California's legacy of gun control laws to oppress minorities and the complicity of the CA police in this (especially during the 60s and 70s), I'd suspect that a legal open carrying Black man would be guilty of "owning a gun while black" and would have found himself proned out or shot in short order by the police. There's a reason that we advise open carriers to dress in business casual - a decently dressed black man with a legal openly carried gun in CA at least has a chance because he doesn't (as easily) set off cops who have been trained by their department that "any armed black man = criminal thug, shoot him". Heck, they don't even need to see a gun, they just need to *think* a black man's armed. In Illinois, black men are denied FOID cards at a much higher rate than white men with the same squeaky-clean records. CA has the same problem too with concealed carry permits. Let exercise of basic civil rights be "discretionary" and you make it "discriminatory" because the "discretioners" will use their racial prejudices to deny civil rights to minorities. Happens every time. CA needs to liberalise their archaic, Republican-devised concealed carry laws, they're falling far behind the rest of the nation, where 2nd amendment progressives are making leaps and bounds rolling back repressive laws.— July 21, 2009 1:47 p.m.
So many San Diegans carry guns
I say this as an anti-war, pro-choice, pro-gay-marriage Democrat: It's interesting to note that the CA restrictions on carry of loaded firearms is a racist law enacted to prevent black people from carrying firearms - it was signed in 1967 by Ronald Reagan and was called the Mulford Act. Suburban whites didn't want uppity black men (mostly Black Panthers) carrying guns to protect themselves (of course if you were white and carrying, the police would look the other way - carrying while Black would get you shot instead), so we Californians are now stuck with the effects of their racist prejudices and intolerance - and those that support the current law against carrying defensive firearms are enablers of racism. Not kidding either. Of course, if you're rich you can get a permit to carry a loaded concealed handgun - just ask Sly Stallone (issed a permit Los Angeles County 30-Nov-2004 to carry a loaded concealed handgun). So it's classist too. The laws against the law-abiding carrying defensive firearms in CA is a racist, classist, remnant of California's archaic, conservative past and needs to go away.— July 21, 2009 9:40 a.m.