BTW-Please provide proof that the City pays half a million to "LA Lawyers" to negotiate unions contracts.
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http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2008/dec/04/ne…
"Among the concessions made, the lawyers will receive no more than $400,000 dollars for their mediation services, down from an original proposal of $500,000. In addition, the lawyers also agreed to waive all billable fees associated with travel time from their Los Angeles headquarters."
My mistake, the fees were reduced from $500K to $400K.
Gee, SurfPuppy, one of the commentators on that article was a guy named Johnny Vegas. Know him? Oh wait... that's you. You read and commented on the article, and yet you still have to deny it ever happened.
Sooner or later, you'll figure out that I actually do know what I'm talking about and can back up anything I post. — October 28, 2009 9:24 a.m.
Johnny, I really like this "$1000/month" military pay bit.
I might refer you to the chart located at:
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/pay/2…
According to that site, an E-1 (PFC) with less than 4 months service makes around $30K per year when add ons such as housing and food are included. Since you'll whine and cry, actual cash is $1301. Only 30% higher than your claim. Just can't resist exaggerating, can you? Obviously, it goes up from there, though no one is getting rich.
Again, I think the military should be paid more.
It's not a non-sensical comparison. The whole basis for your manifesto is "no longer able to do their jobs". Good. Firefighting has once again been rated the toughest job in America. http://www.careercast.com/jobs/content/most-deman… I have yet to hear Don claim that he could have done it when he was 67 as you propose. — October 10, 2009 11:19 a.m.
Who Killed Richard Swink?
Anyone who's travelled sees their native country in a new light afterward. ================== Unfortunately, that's not true.— October 29, 2009 5:45 p.m.
Roach City
Wrong again, Johnny. We have a strong mayor now. The mayor gives the terms, the lawyers negotiate it and, as I clearly wrote earlier, the city the city council has the final vote. Why is it that whenever you try to call me out on something I prove you wrong?— October 29, 2009 6:35 a.m.
Roach City
BTW-Please provide proof that the City pays half a million to "LA Lawyers" to negotiate unions contracts. ================= http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2008/dec/04/ne… "Among the concessions made, the lawyers will receive no more than $400,000 dollars for their mediation services, down from an original proposal of $500,000. In addition, the lawyers also agreed to waive all billable fees associated with travel time from their Los Angeles headquarters." My mistake, the fees were reduced from $500K to $400K. Gee, SurfPuppy, one of the commentators on that article was a guy named Johnny Vegas. Know him? Oh wait... that's you. You read and commented on the article, and yet you still have to deny it ever happened. Sooner or later, you'll figure out that I actually do know what I'm talking about and can back up anything I post.— October 28, 2009 9:24 a.m.
Roach City
<snip> elected officals do NOT negotiate the public union contracts at arms length. ============== Really? Then why does the city pay lawyers from LA $500K to perform it's negotiations? Aren't there lawyers here that could do that? Up until the final vote, negotiations here are about as far separated from politicians as possible.— October 21, 2009 8:59 a.m.
In San Diego County, Fat Pensions Mean Higher Taxes
Johnny, sorry, but I'm not doheneyrocks. Just because (at least) two posters are able to catch your inconsistencies with a few minutes work, it doesn't mean they're the same person. Why won't you tell us where this other person posts? Afraid I might actually go there? Afraid we'll see just how much time you spend online? I find it ironic that you're haranguing me for spending time online, but your post count here is around 1300+. Mine is around 500. Don, it doesn't take all that long to find a post. Just click on the poster's name in the current thread to get their post count and history. Click back to the general time frame and search away. You wrote, "Is it an earthshaking truth?" Well, first, it isn't the truth. Second, if it was -- who cares? The accuser is a guy who posts under a half dozen names in a half dozen places. It's all a red herring.— October 11, 2009 9:27 a.m.
In San Diego County, Fat Pensions Mean Higher Taxes
Yeah Johnny... took a whole five minutes. What other blog are you talking about? I googled doheneyrocks, but mostly came up with comments from a Tuscan paper. You really have a hard time thinking that there's two people out there who think you're full of it?— October 10, 2009 4:07 p.m.
In San Diego County, Fat Pensions Mean Higher Taxes
Johnny, I really like this "$1000/month" military pay bit. I might refer you to the chart located at: http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/pay/2… According to that site, an E-1 (PFC) with less than 4 months service makes around $30K per year when add ons such as housing and food are included. Since you'll whine and cry, actual cash is $1301. Only 30% higher than your claim. Just can't resist exaggerating, can you? Obviously, it goes up from there, though no one is getting rich. Again, I think the military should be paid more. It's not a non-sensical comparison. The whole basis for your manifesto is "no longer able to do their jobs". Good. Firefighting has once again been rated the toughest job in America. http://www.careercast.com/jobs/content/most-deman… I have yet to hear Don claim that he could have done it when he was 67 as you propose.— October 10, 2009 11:19 a.m.
In San Diego County, Fat Pensions Mean Higher Taxes
Ooops, here's another one from Oct 22, 2008: "I have yet to see a study that shows that firefighters in general have a shorter life span, though there are several studies showing that they have much greater incidence of cancer and heart disease." http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-news/Firefigh… Look a study that's newer than 50 years old! It's fun looking back. I saw where Johnny claimed that the fatality rate for the entire military is 5%. I saw this great quote from Johnny, "Please show me one, JUST ONE CASE ANYWHERE IN AMERICA where a government employer has been held liable for either to a FF." Great lawyer that he is, he forgot the law about presumptive illnesses. I saw this great quote by Johnny, "Billy is a good friend of mine who posts over at VoSD, but I am not him." What a hoot!— October 10, 2009 10:42 a.m.
In San Diego County, Fat Pensions Mean Higher Taxes
Sorry, Johnny. Many other firefighters have claimed that we die sooner. I never have. Not once. I believe you're talking about the Berlin study. I believe they attributed the longevity to "healthy worker syndrome". Again, that study was 50 years ago. Know many health care studies from 50 years ago that are being applied today? Since you're claiming that I said we die earlier, here's my post from Oct 24, 2008: Posted on October 24 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal) "Don, There are a couple of reasons that the European study could be not relevant to today's firefighter. <snip to save space> Does that mean that the study is invalid? No. But one must be careful to apply what happened over the past 50 years in technology with what is happening now. I never said that we die sooner, though it seems likely. I said that we have a higher rate of cancer and heart disease." Carefully read the last two lines and repeat them slowly.— October 10, 2009 10:29 a.m.
In San Diego County, Fat Pensions Mean Higher Taxes
Johnny, did you have a fun Friday night? As clearly stated in my post, those aren't my numbers. I don't care if you "blow them out of the water". Those are the actual rate charged by SDCERS in 2008. I'm guessing that those numbers will be higher next year to cover losses. I've said all along that we should lower the pension maximum to save money. That will never happen because the union opposes it. I don't always agree with them. You apparently missed the part where we're about the only public employee group around that pays the full employee share of their retirement. In that regard, we're lightyears ahead of other municipalities. I also never claimed that we die sooner. I couldn't find proof of that, so I didn't claim it. What I did claim is that we have a much higher incidence of cancer that the general public. That cancer is job related, which is why we should have lifetime medical. Otherwise, treatment could be denied as a "preexisting condition". Dying sooner isn't really the issue, is it? Being able to perform the duties of a firefighter is. "...when they were no longer able to do their jobs" Remember that part? Nice manifesto. Keep that on a little laminated card in your wallet? You never answered my question -- does that include the military? Military personnel can retire at age 38 with lifetime medical. Surely they could still do their jobs at age 38, no? Now don't get me wrong, I fully support military retirement and pay raises. I just use the military as an example of how your manifesto is misguided.— October 10, 2009 9:04 a.m.