jaylee0289 June 12, 2012 @ 3:52 p.m.

Seriously??? 6 whole minutes per route??? Wow!! This is so ridiculous.... 6 minutes could be getting caught longer at a traffic light. Or waiting for an elderly person to slowly cross the road in front of the carrier vehicle. Or slowing down due to a child running in front of their vehicle. & if they are fingering mail between deliveries & trip over a hose or down some stairs, whose fault is that? This is a crappy crying shame & the USPS should find more useful things to do with their time, than harrassing hard working mail carriers. I am disgusted. BTW... I am in USPS management and disagree with this treatment of USPS employees 100%!!!!!!


RetiredDisableLettercarrier June 13, 2012 @ 3:19 p.m.

What a crock of crap propaganda from people that never performed hard labor a day in their life.


twobigpuppies June 13, 2012 @ 8:32 a.m.

you notice that when ever there is a problem management always seems to blame it on the workers. They never want to take the responsibly for the problems. Nope it is always the workers fault. Sure there are those who talk on the phone to much and there are those who do waste to much time,,, and if the managers were doing their jobs maybe some of that might stop or at least stop to some degree. OH BTW how many managers are on the phone to much and how much time do they waste each day? Maybe just a chance that the system is at fault. Maybe the people in charge telling you how to do things have no idea what you are talking about because they never walked and delivered mail a day in their life. But yet they know how to do it because the book says so . Management,,,,, its about time you stand up and take responsibility for your own faults.


common_sense June 13, 2012 @ 8:18 a.m.

You're right, the union does successfully represent individuals that the Postal Service should be allowed to jettison. But ask yourself this:

What is the key ingredient to a strong union? A hostile work environment.

And fortunately, the Postal Service doesn't discriminate. They think ALL their employees are crooks. Getting rid of the union won't fix the Postal Service. However, getting rid of the culture of distrust and eradicating the mindset of punitive action, towards one of motivation with incentive, would go A LONG way to fixing the organization and marginalizing the unions. Problem is, they keep promoting from within based on the perpetuation of organizational inertia. IOW, they don't want to change!


ozseppo June 13, 2012 @ 7:03 a.m.

Ask your local carrier how wonderful moral is. Ask your local carrier if he remembers a 40 hour week. Ask your local carrier supervisor to show you their cell phone log. If these guys are my Big Brother, I'm obviously adopted.


fritzy June 12, 2012 @ 9:37 p.m.

Seriously, 6 minutes of non-productive time in a day is probably better than most workers in America. Give me a break. These are humans, not robots.


Feed_up June 13, 2012 @ 2:18 a.m.

You are so right common_sense, I served my country for 8 years as an Electronic Technician in the Air Force after being discharged I worked for the Postal Service for 19 Years of pure hell as a City Carrier and could not take the Bull Sh*t anymore I resigned in 2009, with me having 19 years of the Postal Service on my resume I might as well said I was in prison for 19 years It took me two years to find a new career, I did'nt have any problems health wise until I started working for the postal service, high blood pressure just to name one, but now blood pressure normal. I feel for my fellow carrier who can't make the transistion as I did, don't get me wrong It was hard but it can be done. Oh by the way my new job I make three times more than what I was making at the post office.


common_sense June 12, 2012 @ 8:42 p.m.

This is laughable. The organization that prides itself on the mantra of "process over results" and "one size fits all" has the temerity to believe that they're "efficiency experts"? What an oxymoron! The USPS should change its name to the DOA: (Dumbest Organization in America)

The problem(s) with the Postal Service has been, is, and will be; bad management. Where else can one with no degree, no social skills, no experience and no clue, make $70K/annum and actually believe they're worth it??? Puhleeze! Set up an account on and see what you're really worth! These are the same geniuses that create bad employees by the mailbox full. Want to take a perfectly good job candidate and turn them into a pile of sh*t? The Postal Service can do that for you in no time flat. Yeah, that's just what the P.O. needs...more management. Inconceivable!


Cisco1964 June 12, 2012 @ 7:51 p.m.

So lets see... how much money did spend investigating how much time they can cut time off carriers routes. The salary of these "investigators" (chuckles) and supervisors (chuckles louder), the man hours they spent following each carrier, and lord knows how much time to write the report and waste money just to tell us... they have been working too slow (6 minutes). I too work for the Postal Service. I am a APWU official with our local so I do know first hand on badgering, hounding, looking over shoulders, and constant verbal harassment the carriers go through from the supervisors. What is next diapers for our carriers so that they don't have to stop and use the restrooms? Standby for stopwatches on nature calls.


cpttuna June 12, 2012 @ 7:44 p.m.

At some point in time,parcels must be rehandled to put them in some kind of order for delivery. Since the USPS has no defined system, you will find that it varies from office to office.I would tray my small parcels and divide my big ones as to front part or rear part of the route. Front would go on the left side of the vehicle and back part of the route would go on the right side.If they are not in some semblance on order when the carrier leaves, expect wasted time on the route. Cell phones- another joke. My PM walked with me one day and had 7 incoming calls and made 7 outgoing ones. Mgt is just as bad as craft in this area. either make everyone leave them at their case or just deal with it. I went into the PM's office one day as he got a call from his wife. I stood there for 17 minutes as she yelled at him to do something because the granddaughter had taken a Sharpie to the family room wall. The system is indeed broken and you are worried about 6 minutes.


pbj300 June 12, 2012 @ 6:21 p.m.

really!!! Its the damn cariers that carry the post office. We have Waaaay to much dead weight at the top telling us we dont do our jobs. Please pay us the way rural carriers are paid and you will see All Carriers Clocking out at 2:00. Just plain tired of over management and all carriers being labeled as lazy and time wasting practices. Wake Up Post Office its not the carriers hurting this business i promise you that.


nan shartel June 12, 2012 @ 5:35 p.m.

leave our postal workers alone...i give them glasses of ice water on really hot days here in Lakeside

stop being a wanker Matt Potter!!!



jaylee0289 June 12, 2012 @ 6:25 p.m.

Lets talk about perdiem rates. When a management employee travels to another location for a day, they receive astronomical rates to spend on food. Gas, hotel room is all seperate from food allowance. If i go to StLoius, last i heard the daily perdiem rate is $49 for food per day. Now.... if u eat 3x at McDonalds and only spend $14 during the day, u still get the $49 cash in ur pocket after u file your etravel report. Hmmm. roughly 5 days in StLoius and i get $245 for food, even though i only spent $75 for food. So i made easy profit of $170 tax free!! Is management disallowed from using their cell phones while they are working also? No we are not. Has anyone in upper management ever approached me and said, u just wasted 6 minutes walking the longer way to the supply room so u could get ur copy paper, then u stopped at the drinkn fountain for 3 minutes. No they have onot. Today i was on the phone for 20mins listening to someone at district level manager telling me how much weight she has gained due to a health issue she has.... we really are human beings Mr PMG. Its time for some RESPECT and honest conversation about what you are really trying to accomplish & which political party u are affiliated with and who is controlling your puppet strings.


jaylee0289 June 12, 2012 @ 5:56 p.m.

And which bozo at Headquarters approved the release of this article to the national news? Last i heard, if management has a problem with a carrier, there is a private one on one discussion with the carrier to determine action to be taken (if any applies). But this appears to be an attempt by USPS Headquarters to slander and manipulate the publics opinion towards their own employees. This makes absolutely no sense. If that was me standing in one of those pictures, id be calling a lawyer immediately because it was never brought to my attention that my face would be on national news article about carriers using time wasting practices.


Scout June 12, 2012 @ 3:08 p.m.

This is pure nazi, slavery, third world country mentality.Come on people these are humans and not robots.Get your heads out of you rears and get real.You are driving craft into the ground, you can not sit behind your cherry desks and say people who carry the load for all are not giving enough.This article makes me want to get sick and scream at the top of my lungs.We are not China, we are the The United States of America where people should be treated as humans.Do yourself a favor people, we have the power of vote, one term only vote every politician you know out of office, one term only and they may get the idea that they work for the people and not the other way around.


Mailguy55 June 12, 2012 @ 5:34 p.m.

As a rural mail carrier for over 17 years, I would like to educate people on our pay system. We are not paid hourly. Our annual salary is based on a "Mail Count" that is held annually for either a 2, 3 or a 4 week period. Every piece of mail, parcels, scans and the other stuff we do is based on time standards. So basically whatever we get credit for during this mail count determines our salary. This is called the evaluated system. Some days we go over and some days we go under; either way our monthly pay does not change. This basically means we cost the post office less to deliver mail then city carriers. We do not have to wear uniforms and for the most part we probably are less supervised then city carriers. The post office still tracks our time though and we cannot go over 2080 hours in the course of a year or there is hell to pay. I guarantee that most city carriers would not give up their hourly pay to go to our evaluated system.


CityCarrier June 12, 2012 @ 1:50 p.m.

It is not the carriers who are inefficient, it is the Postal delivery system that is inefficient. Maybe if the city carriers were not slaves to an 8 hour time clock the Post Office would not be as inefficient as it has created itself to be. Rural carriers who are paid a monthly salary have no time problems and are not treated this way. The Post Office has create a two system pay service for delivery and only has problems with the city delivery system. Until they stop paying an hourly wage with an eight hour, by contract, guaranteed pay day there will always be an inefficient system.


LiamSkye June 12, 2012 @ 5:50 p.m.

You are correct that the clerks place the parcels in the carriers' tubs without regard to the delivery sequence. I personally performed that task for several years. Additional handling is required to place the parcels in delivery order.

I also am personally familiar with the work histories of several employees of the OIG office, having had direct business contacts with for several years, Most of them are auditors from other federal agencies. Many of their findings are questionable at best.

For my part, I wonder if 6 minutes per day reaches the threshold of recoverable work hours. I do not believe that it even comes close so the OIG claim that dozens of work years can be recovered is laughable.


mailan804 June 12, 2012 @ 1:24 p.m.

How many of those phone calls were from the carrier's supervisor wanting them to go look up another carrier on the street or how many of them were when the carriers had to call back the post office by 3:00 to let their supervisor know that they were going to be late? Also, the carriers were probably putting the parcels on the ground first because the clerks throw the parcels into the tubs and then the carrier has to set them up in delivery order in the truck to save more time on the street later. The bottom line is that the OIGs doing this study likely have little or no experience delivering mail and believe that carriers are robots and that every second needs to be squeezed out of them. I also didn't notice any mention of the OIG filming the supervisors in the afternoon after the carriers leave the building.


leebren June 12, 2012 @ 11:34 a.m.

Wow, six whole minutes in the 6+ hour street time. I am sure any worker in America wastes six minutes at least in the course of a day. This is while the Postal Service pays people to do nothing but watch other people work.


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