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The new Powers That Be soured him because they decreed that “listeners are stupid. [But I think that] the consumer is smarter than the industry, and they have been for years. No one has recognized that. Listeners are more brilliant than the people pushing the buttons.”

Cantore fumed over “the repetition, the lack of diversity in the programming, the contrived sound, the disconnect from the core — I would hear this stuff and take it to the uppers,” who routinely dismissed his complaints. “I’d stand on desks, go to GMs, to regional VPs of programming, and tell them, ‘You’re fucking up.’ They didn’t care.” What rattled Cantore was hearing from his listeners directly. They’d say, “I listen to you, and then when the music comes on I punch out,” that is, exit 91X because the music — “it was so friggin’ obvious” — was scripted. Cantore’s core liked him because he shared their enthusiasms for the music. Why that had to change he’ll never understand.

Sucking the dregs of his smoothie, Cantore is reluctant to open up about leaving 91X — “I don’t want to come off as bitter; I hate that.” He sums it up with three words: “It was time.” A mutual parting, but “Yeah, ultimately, they cut the cord.” He was replaced by Mat & Mahoney, a local show with two guys who had DJ gigs at Las Vegas radio stations. Last June, Hilary and her midday local show at 94.1 were replaced by Ryan Seacrest of American Idol fame. (Hilary refused comment for this story.)

Hurt, reeling for months, Cantore worked on his “spiritual practice,” bungalowed with family and friends, and found “true happiness in the water,” surfing. “I thought, silly me, I could walk out of 15 years’ radio experience and pick my [next] job. It was the absolute antithesis of that.” The phone rang once or twice. Even New York called. But he turned the offer down. He didn’t want to be chained to yet another corporate environment where the “same financial tightening” was occurring. He wasn’t about to uproot his family or leave Swami’s Point.

What was San Diego’s most famous under-40 jock, with an audience in the thousands, going to do, especially in a radio world that had pigeonholed him as an alternative-rock guru at 91X? If he wouldn’t change, would the format?


The departure of Chris Cantore and Hilary Chambers from San Diego’s airwaves may have been a long time in coming, but come it has, to them, and to other veterans. The first inklings of turmoil began in 1996 with the Telecommunications Act, which deregulated the ownership structure of public media and opened the gates to corporate takeovers of local radio stations as investments. Jacor Communications was the first media conglomerate to own a pocketful of radio stations, purchasing 9 of them in the 1990s, including 91X. Clear Channel purchased Jacor in 1999, then, using loopholes in leasing agreements to own and operate stations in Mexico, bought another 13. By 2004, Clear Channel had cornered nearly 45 percent of local radio stations, three times the market share of its nearest competitor. In 2005, the Federal Communications Commission ruled that Clear Channel had to divest its Mexican-leased properties. That meant selling 91X, Jammin’ Z90, and Magic 92.5, which Clear Channel did to Finest City Broadcasting.

A decade of wheeling and dealing has meant that a lot of deejays and program directors have quit or been laid off. Not long after Finest City bought Clear Channel’s three stations, program director Kevin Stapleford and CEO Mike Glickenhaus left. In 2007, several local deejays were fired: Stephen Kallao, Marco Collins, Trevor Trent, and Jason Riggs. Syndicated shows took over. In October 2007, at Z90, the morning deejay “Chino” was replaced by Big Boy’s Neighborhood from Los Angeles; in November 2007, at 91X, Jennifer White, cohost with Chris Cantore for 2 years, left a month before Cantore was fired to do a morning show on Sophie 103.7; in December 2007, at 91X, Al Guerra, who hosted the local-music two-hour radio show Loudspeaker, quit over differences with Finest City managers. In a February 2008 letter to the Reader, Shannon Leder Johnson, who hosted a show at KIOZ for 15 years and maintained her show as one of the top three in her slot, said that “I was number one the day they [Clear Channel] let me go. On my way out, I had to stop at HR and pick up my ratings bonus check.” Most terminations were not prompted by falling ratings but by executive-led decisions to cut costs.

At Star 94.1, replacing Hilary with Ryan Seacrest is a big gamble. Long a local station, niched to the 25–54 age set (moms in minivans), 94.1 is betting that listeners will take to Seacrest’s music and “celebrity sleaze” dirt-dishing on Amy Winehouse and Charlie Sheen. If Seacrest is successful here, the move may send a shockwave through such perennials as Jeff and Jer or Dave, Shelley, and Chainsaw. Already, time for local talk has dropped, especially on Clear Channel stations. Where deejays once made their personal lives part of the show, speaking for as much as 12 minutes per hour, now their “talk breaks” are timed to one minute each.

Jerry Del Colliano, a blogger at Inside Music Media, writes that Clear Channel, a publicly traded company, is unloading stations as it moves toward privatization. To sweeten the sale, Clear Channel is, Colliano warns, “pruning expensive air talent. Voice-tracking [using prerecorded announcers and personalities from outside markets] and program duplication and multitasking” will continue. “If you’re working for Clear Channel now and survive the onslaught of belt-tightening to come, you’ve likely retained a job in a more stable setting. The game plan is obvious: cut costs, improve revenue, sell the assets.”

Firing and laying off locals is indicative of big changes in the scope and identity of San Diego radio, local or corporate, music or talk. Radio is redefining itself, from terrestrial or ground-based transmission to the new satellite and online platforms. The Internet and Sirius/XM Satellite (recently merged) are expanding the way radio is delivered to listeners. In a multiplatform media world, radio stations with online sites are pushing “360” to their listeners, that is, cycling them from the airwaves to online. Listeners are turning off the long commercial interruptions on music radio in favor of iPods and podcasting. In a recession, local program directors seek to jettison local talent as too expensive. And talk and opinion, particularly conservative voices, which rule the radio roost, are remaking radio into a cult of personality, whether the blowhole spouts from Hollywood or Mission Valley.

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BillRayDrums Dec. 30, 2008 @ 4:52 p.m.

Radio is hereby dead. When I discovered podcasts, my faith in independent music was again reaffirmed.

If I listen to radio, it's AM, and it's talk. The "McMusic" they cram down your throat on terrestrial FM stations is maddening. Besides, 75% of what you hear on TR is older than 20 years. The labels did it to themselves, trying to produce the next Britney or Christina or Coldplay or Nickelback or Creed....THere's a formula that exists in their minds and they have painted themselves into a corner threefold- outmoded business model, cookie cutter artists, and outright corporate greed.

"Big Music" needs to step aside. They are deprecated as a whole; independent artists now have the ability to circumvent the system that labels once dominated- Distribution. If you can sell direct to your fans, why bother with getting a "record deal"?

A "Deal" is about as exciting as a home loan. You have to pay it back within a certain time frame, you see very little return on the aggregate price of a CD, and even when you pay it off the labels STILL own an interest in your music via publishing rights. Essentially you are indentured to the label as a servant and your hard work and creativity sends the labels' children to college or buys them a new condo in NYC.

I'd rather give my music away for free than support these cretins. At least you'd have a better chance of something happening, and an 8 year old won't get sued by the RIAA.


Ponzi Dec. 31, 2008 @ 6:31 a.m.

Radio is dead. People listened to radios because they couldn't carry a turntable around with them. Then came the Walkman, the Discman and now the iPod.

People will listen to their own music or internet on their personal device. They'll justify the cost because most people will disconnect land lines and even fixed high speed connections and just use iPhone era devices. That's where people will get all of their mail, news, music, and other entertainment.


tlarson Dec. 31, 2008 @ 11:43 a.m.

In the opening section, I wrote that Chris Cantore was replaced at 91X by Adam Carolla. This was wrong. He was actually replaced by two DJs, Mat and Mahoney. The Web version of the story has been corrected. Tom Larson


davidtanny Dec. 31, 2008 @ 12:06 p.m.

We need music directors to discover good new songs to play on the radio instead of the corporate-chosen crap that's a staple on contemporary hit radio. Too much of the new songs being selected are unmemorable and boring.

Funny music artists are producing parodies of today's crap so that their "covers" would sound half as crappy as the original, but it's their fault that they're listening to uninspiring contemporary hit radio for parody ideas that don't appeal to most people in my age demographic. I'm way outside of the demographic of Channel, Star, 91X, Sophie, and Z90 so I never tune them in.

Clear Channel has done one thing right though. It launched a I Heart Music website for ordinary joes like myself to upload songs. I even got one of my songs uploaded and noticed by several podcasters, so I won't bash Clear Channel here, though I got no word if any local hosts played my song from this past Christmas season.

I listen to downloads, Internet radio, satellite radio, cable radio, FM 94/9, and podcasts for music. I'm all for outsourcing syndicated talent (not the vertically-aligned shows) if the shows are interesting enough to attract listeners and advertisers. I could offer one of my podcast shows on a terrestrial stick and radio can pay me a fee for the service, while selling the advertising slots so they make money. Independent podcasters and netcasters can find music the suits never dreamed of putting on the airwaves. Offer multiple streams of stations and podcasts from their websites so portable music devices like iPhones can tune them in easily. Radio needs to seek out independent average joes for ideas and pay them to try out new ideas. That's what radio needs to survive.


libertycall Dec. 31, 2008 @ 3:41 p.m.

Excellent article. However, you are mistaken about the political views of the "Dave, Shelly, and Chainsaw" show. While Shelly is a bona-fide liberal, Dave Rickards is conservative on nearly every subject, much to the chagrin of many listeners.


jv333 Dec. 31, 2008 @ 3:52 p.m.

One cannot fully fathom how and why talk radio was ruined until they read the Ctr for American Progress study which indicates that 91% of talk radio content in the US is "conservative." Has nothing to do with "fair and balanced" or what the public appetite is about.

It's about crusty, old $$ buying up the airwaves and cramming their failed format, agenda, policies into the ears of listeners...who now have tired of the tripe and moved on. Young listeners tuned out to talk a long time ago. They don't want yelling and screaming...they are desperate for solutions, answers, find common ground and vision. You're not going to get that from Limbaugh, Savage, O'Reilly, etc.

And yet, how do u explain the recent NYT article reporting that all the main rightwingers are getting their contracts re-upped. More of the same, it appears.

So we'll see what plays out in the coming months....when I see "radio is dead" ...I think that mostly applies to music radio b/c everything is going to "consumer on demand" formats anyway.

Some other notes of interest re: KLSD....revenue-wise, it was certainly doing better financially than it's predecessor format of adult oldies music.

How do u explain 59 other cities getting their progressive talk formats axed by Clear Channel and other rightwing corporate monolithic owners? Were they ALL losing money? I think not.

Also, Stacy Taylor at AM1700, was the lone progressive talker among a sea of conservative talkers ... and I understand his was the higheset-rated show in their lineup. Coincidence, or does this say something about a signficant market being underserved in San Diego?

However, I also think there is a public appetite for timely, current, smart and entertaining radio with important information. "Informative and entertaining media" ain't going away any time soon...cf. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.


Torasan Jan. 1, 2009 @ 11:21 a.m.

The interesting question raised by this article is that programming for a nationwide audience can make money and survive, and media that is targeted/molded to individual taste can make money and survive, but local community programming cannot. However, since vast majority of people we interact with on a daily basis, our coworkers, classmates, the guy or girl standing in line next to us, in a local community, how or where do we come together across differences in taste, music, culture, religion, etc in the places where we live. Maybe media actually has never worked this way, but to have a strong local media be a commons where the community can gather in times good and bad seems to be a good use of the public airwaves.

Anyways, I had been looking for a local talk radio host to listen to (I am relatively new to San Diego) and, after reading this article (which I first read in the paper edition), I eagerly went to the 1700AM website. That led me to Mark Larson's blog, which said this:

BROADCAST CHANGES Due to circumstances beyond my control, my daily radio show is no longer heard on 1700AM in Southern California. Please check back with this Blog often... I'll post updates on "what's next" for yours truly as I'm able to do so. Thanks very much for your continued support. And yes, I'm glad God is still the one in charge of the things that matter most. Happy New Year! http://www.larsonblog.com/


BillRayDrums Jan. 1, 2009 @ 2:50 p.m.

@JV- keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. That being said, I'm a big fan of these guys: http://johnandkenshow.com KFI 640 AM baby!

Also, right wing talk radio is all they (the right) have. The lefties have the intertubes, and that trumps talk radio one thousandfold. Look at the result of the last election- McCain and crew couldn't find their collective starfishies with a funnel, and Obama had the fundraising machine in full tilt swing. Do the math! :D

@DavidTanny Careful uploading content to those kinds of sites- read the fine print. When you upload content to those kinds of places they immediately reserve the right to your creativity and if they make a billion dollars in the process, you get nil.


jv333 Jan. 2, 2009 @ 6 a.m.

Dear BillRayDrums:

I take issue with your "internet trumping radio" sole explanation for Nov 4. The rightwing has DrudgeReport and their web-based echo chamber, too. They just haven't figured out a way to prevent networking yet; but that doesn't mean they haven't tried or will continue to try. What do u think this whole "net neutrality" debate was/is about?

Obama won because he and Biden were superior candidates and McCain and Palin were not ... plus it was a repudiation of th last 8 years. The market dropped 5,000 pts and people lost $7 trillion in wealth. Paying $4 a gallon at the pump was the great equalizer. No matter what political party u supported, that sucked. We know the unemployment and inflation numbers were worse than they were telling us. Obama won, in spite of the right-wing media machine, which tells you how lousy people feel.

In spite of all that, I think Obama/Biden should have won by more. Here's another eye-opener... if we just counted the white votes alone ... McCain would have won 55-43 ... a huge trouncing despite the foreign and domestic abysmal failures ... http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1039/post-election-perspectives

With the coming challenges, we'd better figure out how to unite efforts and cease with the constant haranguing about personal choices.


jimmypowers Jan. 2, 2009 @ 10:08 a.m.

There is absolutely no support from the local radio stations for local, independent hip hop..what-so-ever. PERIOD. The Music Industry is crumbling...and if you can't expect support in your own city, where else can you look????


Josh Board Jan. 2, 2009 @ 5:23 p.m.

John and Ken are a horrible show. They bring up great topics, but they spend way too much time on them, and aren't great at moving on.

This story had a few mistakes: Shanon Leder (whom I worked with), is another name is attached to her, it's Jensen (not Johnson...as her husband is Kimo Jensen of KSON).

Also, it would've been more interesting to read other aspects of how radio isn't "local". There are many that weren't covered. At least 5 stations I can think of, have syndicated shows/DJs.

I do understand that people seem to gravitate more towards "talk radio" on subjects like this, though.

I also thought it was funny that a quote in the story (I forgot who it was from)...mentioned the playing of Aerosmith, and how the majority have "bad taste." Think how ridiculous that statement is.

A better scenario, would be something I read in the radio trade magazines years ago. It's not that the masses have "bad taste," but they'll do these surveys (in the 70s they were done by bringing a bunch of guys in a room with free pizza and Coke), and playing songs, asking which they loved, hated, etc. A song by Aerosmith comes on, everyone puts "loves," so the "classic rock" station doesn't drop it from the format. But, if you would've dug deeper in that same survey, you'd find the same person that says they "love" that song, admits to changing the station, because they've heard "Walk This Way" about a thousand times, and thus, don't need to hear it yet again.


PhilL Jan. 2, 2009 @ 9:01 p.m.

Some points

1) Cantore is considered somewhat of a "lightweight" in the business, not a bad talent-not anyone who is going to light up the ratings or revenue though.

2) The damage was done to the business when the 1996 Telecom act passed congress and was signed by President Clinton. This act enabled the bottom-feeders such as Clear Channel to xerox formats coast to coast, and own their former competition. Anti-trust violations? You betcha.

3)KPOP's Progressive Talk format failed due to lack of revenue. If it was successful, Clear Channel would have never pulled the plug.

4)KFMB used to be considered the tiffany of local stations. The general manager for years sought great talent--everyone from Charlie & Harrigan to Bobby Rich, Hudson & Bauer, Bill Ballance and others were part of a very localized radio station. It made a ton of money too. That is no longer the case, they import most of their programming on KFMB from satellite networks, while KFMB-FM is (outside of morning drive) a simple jukebox.

5) Radio is not all about music. Sorry. Playing the right mix of music is crucial,but it's more than that. Localization, community involvement,local-live personalities, and relevance are all required to create truly memorable radio stations. This has been true since Happy Hare woke up San Diego listeners on KCBQ in the 50's & 60's, to when the original 91X hit the air. KGB, KDEO, Q106 all subscribed to this philosophy.

6) Spoken Word Radio is here to stay. News-Sports-News-Talk-Hot Talk. It's one style that can't be replicated by I-Pods, in the near future less stations will play music. It's not unique anymore.

7) Being a DJ or even talk show host is not a life long career. It should lead to something else, otherwise it's a little sad to see 60 year old DJ's getting fired at local stations. Hey, a 35 year old can rebound, but what about someone who has done radio since they were 14 and are now 60.?


PhilL Jan. 2, 2009 @ 9:05 p.m.

Oh, this is for Josh B's comment. I am wondering if you are the same Josh who crashes parties, if so and a writer for the Reader why in the hell are you posting under reader comments? That's weak.

John and Ken is not horrible, maybe you don't like the show, I'm not a a big fan either. The point is they are rating leaders in the Los Angeles market. They generate huge ratings & millions of dollars a year for KFI. Understand how the business works, it's not just about your random opinion.


tlarson Jan. 3, 2009 @ 7:46 a.m.

Updates: Like Stacy Taylor, Mark Larson is no longer at 1700 AM. And Hilary, who was at FM 94.1, now has a show on FM 94.9. TL


jv333 Jan. 3, 2009 @ 11:09 a.m.

Dear PhilL... re: your #2. Do you know how much KPOP was earning at its peak? Do you know how much KLSD was earning at its peak? and what the new KLSD sports format is earning? (also provide the net revenue since the payroll went up when they flipped to sports) ...

Then, analyze all 50 progressive talk stations that were systematically dumped across the US after Nov 2006. Then, tell me why the conservative behemoths just added conservative news talk for the next 4 years ... there will be a toal of 2,064 stations providing Rush, Sean, Beck, Ingraham, Savage ...

if radio is dead, why do they persist in beating a dead dog? b/c they are an 800 pd gorilla..b/c they are willing to lose money as long as they control the airwaves....b/c u have a lot of crusty old billionaires who don't care what the public would like to hear (talk-wise)...

it's a myth that the public owns the airwaves....there were 80 media companies when Reagan took office...now there are 5 ... re: radio, there are only a handful of major players...maybe about 15 total radio entities.... when the Telecom Act was passed, that wiped out dozens of companies ... sad


Fred Williams Jan. 3, 2009 @ 11:39 a.m.

I used to listen to radio because it was a free way of getting music. Now I get any music I want on my schedule for free online.

So why would I listen to music radio?

This is really just another story about disintermediation, the process of technology disrupting old businesses. Just like the buggy-whip manufacturers of old, the deejay is really no longer necessary. Any twelve year old with an I-Pod and some speakers can perform the work of selecting and playing tracks, and the inane chatter between the songs has never been the reason I tuned-in.

I met Chris at the Reader party some months back, and I suppose he's a nice guy. But his situation is no different from the thousands of other professionals, from travel agents to typists, who have found their skills usurped and must move on to other fields. The fact that he's high-profile as an entertainer makes him visible, but not unique.

Personally, I have fond memories of the late-80's 91X. But thankfully, I no longer have to rely on them finding music on my behalf since I now can easily find it myself.

On the other hand, when it comes to news and public affairs, radio fills a niche. It's time-sensitive, so a live show makes sense. Music, by it's nature, is NOT time-sensitive (at least the good stuff).

Unfortunately, while radio is very immediate, it does not lend itself to depth or complexity. Listening to Limbaugh or Hedgecock results in large IQ drops because the format itself requires the delivery of simplistic but satisfying non-truths or emotional bombast just to retain interest.

Bombastic simplification is the foundation of conservatism, hence radio talk is dominated by neo-con knuckle-draggers. The other side is just too decent and thoughtful to succeed on air.

But look at the other non-broadcast mediums and the liberals to moderates are dominant. Text, which requires a higher level of intelligence to process, is the artillery of progressive politics, while talk radio shouting is all the conservatives have left in their arsenal.

That leaves me with no reason to listen to radio unless there is absolutely nothing else available...then I'll tune into KPBS because although it's sometimes dull, at least it doesn't insult my intelligence too often, or irritate me with DJ chatter and repetitive advertising for products I'll never buy.


DevorahLeah Jan. 3, 2009 @ 9:45 p.m.

Regarding KLSD, there are quite a few cities where progressive talk not only works, but gets good ratings. And some progressive talkers are even turning a profit-- for example, Ed Schultz, whose syndicated show was on KLSD, is about to celebrate his 5th anniversary;his show has been profitable for the past 3 years, and is heard on about 100 stations nationwide. Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, and Rachel Maddow are also successful and profitable.

Yet Cliff Albert continues to offer right wing talking points about how progressive talk stations are failures because all they do is bash president Bush and bash corporations (not true, but never mind.) That's puzzling: rightie talkers constantly bash liberals, bash Democrats, and bash the supposedly liberal media... but I guess that sort of bashing is okay. Cliff sounds like his mind was already made up about KLSD, and now he needs to justify what was absolutely the wrong decision.

And one other subject-- I also don't understand why owners haven't figured out that a station needs personality. The detached, automated sound just drives people away. I consulted for 25 years, and we always took a chance on new music, reached out to our listeners, and created stations that were entertaining and informative. These days, the corporations and owners seem puzzled that listenership is down. Well why would I want to listen to something that isn't live, isn't local, and isn't unique in some way?

Many of us still love radio. And I believe radio is still capable of being a companion, a friend, and so much more. Perhaps it's not too late for things to change. That's my hope for the new year.


jv333 Jan. 4, 2009 @ 9:56 a.m.

Right on, DevorahLeah ... well said! As for the ultimate decision to shut down KLSD, one has to keep in mind that the Clear Channel corporate headquarters are based in San Antonio TX with well-established ties to the Bush family. Clear Channel operated 19 'progressive stations' (59 overall) were dumped. It appears that the tipping point prompting that decision were the midterm elections of Nov 2006, when House and Senate majorities went back to the Democrats.

We kept hearing in San Diego that the decision to shut down KLSD was due to "revenue, not ratings." If you start googling around, you'll discover that this was the same corporate "rationale" that was offered in many other cities.

KLSD (with a lousy signal, bad engineering and almost no marketing) had risen to #17 in the ratings. If you have attended any listeners events, you would have seen hundreds of rabid and grateful fans. Hundreds of listeners staged at least two rallies at the Clear Channel offices to protest the plan to shut it down. A group called Save KLSD emerged which has now morphed into CPR-San Diego (or the Campaign for Progressive Radio). How can they dump it in Boston where the voter registration is about 70% Democratic?

If you want to see what's wrong with radio (and mainstream media, in general), look at the ownership structure. Read David Brock's THE REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE: Rightwing media and how it corrupts democracy. See the documentary films "ORWELL ROLLS IN HIS GRAVE" and "OUTFOXED: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism."

What has happened to our media and the news? One has to conclude that most mainstream media has been used as a weapon of mass "distraction", and in some cases, mass deception.

We have to look at the ownership caps that were de-regulated by the Telecom Act of 1996. For 62 years, it was fine that no entity could own more than 40 stations. The conservative mega-wealthy who really own and operate most of the country decided to get rid of the old rules and allow unfettered ownership. Clear Channel went from owning 40 stations to 1400 almost overnight.

We can now see the political and economic dangers of too much concentrated wealth and control. Look how the term "liberal" has been demonized by the rightwing radio attack. See wikipedia.org and read up on "liberalism". Many of the discoveries and developments that have made our country great have emanated from this school of thought. Haven't we always been about expanding rights of the individual and more social justice? To think that women and minorities did not have equal voting rights in our last century is amazing.

I still have faith that out of all this discord, that some daring entrepreneurs will dare to step up and serve some of the huge voids that the rightwing monolith has created.


PhilL Jan. 4, 2009 @ 12:55 p.m.

JV333: You still don't get it. I will also challenge to some degree Devorah's comments. True-shows like Stephanie Miller & Ed Schultz (delivered by Jones Networks) tend to do somewhat better than the Air-America shows.

But simply having "clears", isn't enough. Show me the markets specifically where stations with these shows win or dominate their competition? The highest rated Air America type station is located in Portland Oregon. In Los Angeles and San Francisco for example the AA stations barely register a blip on the ratings, both coming in at a .9.

There is no conspiracy against "liberal talk", it flat out doesn't get the numbers necessary to be self-sustaining in most cases. Show me the markets where a Stephanie Miller, Ed Schultz or Air America show beats Rush, Michael Savage, Hannity, or the local afternoon drive show?

In fact NPR may be the real enemy of these stations, they have a strong audience base of liberal and left wingers, which apparently is not attracted to the personalities or style of Air America radio. The reason Al Franken left radio to run for the senate, is he was an abject failure in talk radio.


DevorahLeah Jan. 4, 2009 @ 3:48 p.m.

Oh Phil, your comments wound me deeply! First, I must remind you that unless you are in the industry, you only see the published numbers, which are the 12+ ratings. Progressive talk gets the 25-54 year olds, and I offer as an illustration of that the success of both Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann on MSNBC-- their total ratings look only average, but their 24-54 year old numbers are not only competitive with Fox but even beat them some nights. Ditto for the 25-54 numbers of Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller-- very solid, ratings book after ratings book.

Also, it's a myth (and thanks for expressing another rightie talking point) that NPR is mainly lefties and liberals. According to numbers I have seen (I am a free-lance writer, and wrote an article about this last year) more than 35% of the listeners to shows like "All Things Considered" identify as conservatives and Republicans.

But we do agree on one thing-- Al Franken was a better comedian than a talk host. An abject failure? Not true at all. In some cities, his show did quite well. But he never should have been doing it, no offence to Al, whom I happen to know (although we are not best pals). Air America's fatal error was choosing comedians and people with no experience doing talk radio. Jones, on the other hand, chose people with experience in talk radio. That is why I believe their syndicated talkers, who know how to make a show interesting, have proven more durable and more profitable. Markets where Ed or Stephanie beat Hannity or Limbaugh? Yes, believe it or don't, there are some. But the point is that Ed and Stephanie are radio professionals and not just polemicists. That's why they ought to be back on the air in San Diego.

Letting both sides of the issue be heard is good for democracy. Let the best talkers, on both sides of the political divide, be heard. That's the way it used to be done-- on LA Radio in the 60s, Joe Pyne, the Michael Savage of his day, was followed by Michael Jackson (not the pop singer-- the erudite liberal talk host). Both sides got heard and ratings were huge.


PhilL Jan. 4, 2009 @ 8:15 p.m.

Devorah you keep touting how viable shows like Ed Schultz are yet you have provided no substance to your argument. While 12+ shares are for show, not for sales, I think it's fair to say that both KTLK -Los Angeles and KKGN are simply not competitive in the 25-54 demographic.

Name the markets besides Portland (which I offered) where Franken or any of your lineup has been so successful. Please...I'm waiting...........

The real problem is politics are guiding your argument. I have no horse in this race, I am all about building audience, if I could program Hawaiian Reggae and win, I would. Because I love the music. But I know the format is limited.

I wonder if you're actually associated with Jones Radio Networks? That would be my guess. I stand by my statements on NPR, I've had the opportunity to view their in-house research.

I'm awaiting all those solid 25-54 numbers you keep touting. I don't have access to the numbers here at home, but I can quickly find out next week.


jv333 Jan. 5, 2009 @ 12:30 a.m.

PhilL... With all of our lofty analysis, the bottom line is ...the bottom line. I again ask you to produce the historical net revenue figures AM1360...for KPOP, KLSD and its successor sports format. We can all agree that KLSO earned substantially more dollars than KPOP. That KLSD produced a spectacular rise in the ratings.

That flipping it to provide our listening public a third sports talk format turned out to be a bust. The ratings plunged almost immediately and were described by one radio consultant that it was "as if they turned the station off."

And if we want to believe that FCC laws that the "public owns the airwaves"...that with the 9 stations that Clear Channel owns, isn't there a legitimate public interest argument to provide some diversity of opinion, even if the station was breaking even? Stacy Taylor is an intelligent and respected radio voice in this town who has been on the air since the 80s here.

No one can convince me that progressive radio was losing revenue and ratings in 59 markets.

PhilL, u want to know where progressive talk dominated the competition? It happened right here in this market. Ed Schultz was beating Hannity. Randi Rhodes was doing great in her PM drive slot.

Read up on David Brock, the former GOP operative and what he has to say in THE REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE. Read up on former GOP strategist, Kevin Phillips and what he has to say in AMERICAN DYNASTY: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush. I think, then, you will see the bigger picture.


gfalke1 Jan. 5, 2009 @ 3:03 p.m.

The big surprise of this story is that it doesn't mention the ONLY live, local talk show host broadcasting after 12 noon in San Diego - Rick Amato on KCBQ-AM, weeknights 9 - 11 p.m.

Rick's show is growing an audience and getting attention. It's mostly local topics, or national topics with a local angle. San Diego's business and political players are starting to sit up and take notice. People smart enough to sponsor are getting good results. Simply put, people are finally finding the show through word of mouth and it's being HEARD despite the competition from primetime TV.

Full disclosure: I've been working with Rick and I often host the show myself on Thursday nights. I'm Roger Hedgecock's former producer (the "original" producer, 1986-94, before Jimmy Valentine) and I've been in and/or observing the talk radio biz in San Diego for many years.

Rick is one of our few rays of radio hope out there! If you believe in local radio, LISTEN, support him and his sponsors - and call in. Rick's website is www.amatotalk.com and you can listen live there, as well as over the air on 1170AM. Phone is 888-344-1170. I'd love to hear from you too!

Gayle Falkenthal, KCBQ


DevorahLeah Jan. 5, 2009 @ 10:45 p.m.

Dear Phil, regarding your response to my response to ... I too have no dog in this fight. No, I do not work for Jones (although I have, but not recently), and I do not work for Air America. As a radio consultant, I've trained both righties and lefties, so this is NOT about my ideology-- and I don't think you know me, so I doubt you know what my politics are. What I am about is good radio. I love to listen to stations that inform and entertain. Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller do good, entertaining radio. Rush Limbaugh used to do good radio. I used to listen to him in fact. There are many rightie talkers who are very entertaining, whether I agree with them or not (and no, I don't agree with all the lefties all the time either).

Regarding your insistence that I provide 25-54 numbers, you know I cannot do that. Arbitron is very strict about not permitting list-servs or public forums (fora?) to quote the official ratings numbers beyond the 12+. So, you can think I am being cowardly, but in fact I am being legal. I have seen the 25-54s in about five markets other than Portand where Big Eddie wins his daypart over the rightie competitor. I imagine there are others. Last year, Talkers magazine, which leans very much to the right, named Ed the 5th most influential talker in the United States. I doubt they'd have done that if he didn't deserve it-- it's based on ratings and revenue figures.

I wonder what figures you saw for NPR. There was a published report (I wrote an article about is last year) that showed the demographic breakouts as well as the political breakouts. I agree the majority of its listeners identify as Democrats or independents, but NPR has a surprisingly large percentage of Republicans who listen. I think NPR is giving the public thorough and interesting news and talk programs, and that's why their audience continues to grow.

And I still say that stations who want to attract an audience need to be live and local whenever possible and reach out to the audience, whether the format is music, talk, or Lithuanian folk songs.


jv333 Jan. 6, 2009 @ 3:42 p.m.

In all deference to Ms Falkenthal, if Rick Amato is anything like the rest of the KCBQ lineup (Bill Bennett? Dennis Prager? Michael Medved?) ... I doubt there is an eager audience out there for more of the same.

I believe the public has tired of pontificating, moralizing, opining and whining by talk radio hosts. They have tired of hate speech and shouting down opposing points of view. Exeunt Bill O'Reilly.

Potential listeners are ready for solutions and civil discourse .... which probably might explain how many on the left and right have retreated to KPBS.

The rightwing haranguing have drive off the listeners. They will look to other sources of information...mainly online and digital. Really is a shame what has happened to talk radio.


tlarson Jan. 10, 2009 @ 8:19 a.m.

Corrections. KPBS' John Decker writes to say that he is the executive producer of Editors' Roundtable and that Michael Marcotte was not fired as news director but retired in November 2007. Also, Jason Riggs notes that he was not fired from 91X but quit on the air. TLarson


Josh Board Jan. 10, 2009 @ 3:50 p.m.

Dang it! It didn't occur to me to even check and follow up and see if anyone posted here. Interesting comments.

To the person that thought it was lame that I posted here, well...okay, it's for "readers" comments. But, in this case, since I didn't WRITE the story, I merely READ the story, we're in the same boat, and I can comment on it here.

And, having had 5 years radio experience....and another year recently, I think it makes me more qualified than most to comment on the subject matter.

And...john and jeff still suck!

The problem is...so did all those shows on Air America! I'm a Democrat, and I have to say, the only one that ever did a show worth listening to was Stacy Taylor. Everyone else is horrible. I can't stand Dennis Millers politics, but he runs a good show. And, you can't just say it's because he's a good comedian...because he flopped on Monday Night Football. And, Al Franklin was a flop. And, Franklin even flopped on SNL when he created characters. His best strength was behind the scenes, and even than, just barely. He was never one of their stronger writers.

All these opinions on "talk radio" formats make valid points. For music oriented stations to survive, I agree they can't go with the Jukebox/ipod/ types of formats. The whole reason people went that direction, was "consultants" and "surveys" found that more people were listening to their ipods. And, when they checked those ipods, it wasn't just "classic rock" someone had. Or, it wasn't just "hip hop"...but most people had a mix of stuff. The problem is, not everyone likes the same stuff.

So, the best bet is to have DJs with personality. Make sure things are local. And you'll get your listeners.


jv333 Jan. 11, 2009 @ 5:52 p.m.

Dear joshb ... I have to take issue with your negative brush-off all the left-leaning programs. By what standard are you judging all the political talkers?

Did the show teach you something new? Did you get enlightened about an issue? Did a guest or host pique your curiosity and cause you to dig and research a subject? Did the show bring some news/information/local residents to light in an engaging and compelling way?

Stacy Taylor and his team (Scooter, Craig Elston, etc) did a fine job. I thought Thom Hartmann and Ed Schultz were both great and had unique styles.

Thom is the well-read, professorial type who was very knowlegable on American history, constitutional law, and many social issues.

Ed Schultz was the regular guy who loved as many listeners call in as possible (whom he never screened, by the way).
Randi Rhodes was also street-wise and spoke truth to power.

OK, Mike Malloy brought a sardonic edge that was probably an acquired taste...probably as close to a "Michael Savage on the left" as there was.

The fact was, AM1360 was the only station in town offering a format that would appeal to over 500K Democrats and a good deal of 350K independents. (with almost no marketing, no promotion, a sub-standard signal that didn't even reach all of the county, and audio quality that sometimes featured another signal bleeding in and even the always dreaded 'dead air'.) And they generated admirable ratings in spite of themselves. If the KOGO advertisers couldn't or wouldn't see the wisdom in putting a percentange of the ad dollars into KLSD to complement their marketing, then that was just plain stupid.

My hunch? I think we have to examine the very top layers of the ownership based in San Antonio for the lack of concern for the public and for the management decisions made.

Now if you are a programmer, you can see that our market is over-saturated with rightwing talk...KFI, KOGO, KFMB, KCBQ and what's left of AM 1700. The public has abandoned them as the war dragged on, as they paid $70 and more to fill up at the pumps and as their 401Ks and holdings have dropped by 40%.

My guess is that the rightwing talk radio ratings are in the tank which coincides with the dearth of cash and credit...and ad sales have plummeted.

With all of the e-media competing for consumers, will they ever return as listeners to AM talk radio in significant numbers? There are a few consultants that are saying 'no' ... at least not talk radio, per se to the exclusion of complementary digital networking etc. Time will tell ...


JH Jan. 11, 2009 @ 6:56 p.m.

Your statement that Kallao, Marco and Trevor Trent were replaced with syndicated shows on 91X after being fired is completely not true. With the exception of Loveline at night (nationally syndicated and a mainstay on 91X for years), all jocks on 91X are live and local.


Josh Board Jan. 13, 2009 @ 8:29 p.m.

Hi jv. Well...I have to confess, that the shows on the left, I really haven't heard many of them. I would hear bits and pieces, and they never impressed me. But, I'd be willing to bet I never heard more than 20 minutes of any one show, so you're right. I'm not a good judge of which of the Democrats did a good show. Now that I think about it, I heard Randi Rhodes for an hour, and she wasn't half bad.

Regarding your questions, to me, "learning about an issue" is something that you really can't take with much more than a grain of salt when listening to those shows. I read something interesting in Al Frankens book (he writes funny books...just doesn't do funny/interesting shows). He talked about a stat Rush Limbaugh threw out there, that it took Al about 10 minutes, and a few phone calls, to figure out was completely wrong (something about minimum wage jobs). So, to me, if people think they are learning from those shows, they're crazy.

I met this 400 pound Italian guy, that would quote Michael Savage and Michael Corleon all the time. Those were his two heroes. When I finally got around to hearing Savages show...sometimes I agreed with him. But boy, that's a hard show to listen to.

For some reason, a person like Dennis Miller, I agree with absolutely none of his opinions. Yet his radio show is highly entertaining, especially when he has an actor or comedian on.

And, I agree with Bill O'Reily only about 25% of the time, but his radio show is pretty good.

Yet, for some reason, the liberals that I'd hear on the radio or even being interviewed on the radio (margaret cho, garafolo)...they sound idiotic.

Take, for example, that little fight on The View the other day. I hate, hate, hate Ann Coultier. Yet, she made more sense than all 4 of the liberal ladies on The View.


jv333 Jan. 15, 2009 @ 12:25 a.m.

dear joshb .... try listening to thom hartmann and ed schultz for a bit...i think you'll enjoy their approach and their content ...

i wasn't suggesting that you take them at their word verbatim....i was urging u to take a statement or position and then do some digging or research on your own...

All of the radio hosts should give u food for thought .... it's up to u to determine how much might be bravado and how much might be sincere....

if u review all of the reader comments, i hope u get the picture as to US radio ownership stucture....u have a problem with a radio host....look to who is providing his or her paycheck....the radio talent generally reflects the attitude and bias of the owner....that's just the way it is....

for now...until the public gets united and vociferous re: what is available to us via radio


Fred Williams Jan. 15, 2009 @ 7:51 a.m.

I think Josh and I should have a radio show.

We'd get into it and have a lot of fun. But I think we'd probably have to watch our swearing...maybe it's better to do on the internet.

Ready, Josh?


Josh Board Jan. 19, 2009 @ 12:55 a.m.

I would never swear on the radio. I would be like Dr. Johnny Fever, on WKRP. He got fired from a radio station for saying "bugger" on the air. And years later, when FCC laws were more slack, he finally said it before jumping into some Stones track.

Fred & Josh are HORRIBLE radio names, though. Not that Man Cow, Jeff & Jerr, Chainsaw, Goat Boy, or Greaseman were any better!


Fred Williams Jan. 19, 2009 @ 7:26 a.m.

Well, if the "Fred and Josh Show" doesn't appeal, we could come up with other names...

How about:

Gnasher and Crasher Joshing with Fred San Diego Screaming The B.S. Boys Radiological

See, the moniker is less important than the content. Josh starts out the hour with a diatribe derived from his blog. Fred jumps in, says Josh is full of it, and hilarity ensues. Callers join in, taking sides, and then we trade places and start all over.

We can have live broadcasts from parties crashed, and perform amusing man on the street interviews asking people who represents them on the city council.

Importantly, we'll do public service campaigns. My pet issue is fighting against dihydrogen-monoxide pollution in our water...but we can also do the occassional blood drive (if the crips don't mind).

Josh, we're on the way to radio stardom. Fame, riches, fast-cars and a rollicking good time are guaranteed.

Have your agents talk to my agents, and we'll get the lawyers to draft up a deal.


Fred "Voice of God's Vagina" Williams


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