I was watching the movie THE ISLAND recently. Its the movie about clones starring Ewan McGregor. It was actually not as bad as I thought it was going to be. Anyway, it got me thinking; what will happen when we really start cloning humans?

It will happen eventually because there is too much money that can come from it, for all the obvious reasons; body parts and so on.

I got in a debate at work with one of my friends who is very religious. And I asked him, as a person, would he consider a clone 100% human? He said no. Our other friend, from Iran, a real cool dude I might, also said he would not consider a clone real person.

Those who read sci-fi are or are fans of sci-fi shows like STAR TREK or STARGATE may be more open minded to the day when cloning becomes more than a sci-fi cliché. I have recently heard that the international court, whatever that is, has already started to put some thought to this issue.

I hope they do. Because if the mentality is out there that these people are not really humans then all those arguments about slavery could be revisited.

Do you think cloning, and how clones are treated, will be a major stumbling block for humanity? Or will it never reach that point and clones will be accepted as real people.

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PistolPete Nov. 17, 2009 @ 10:12 p.m.

I think we're a LOOOOOOONG way off with mass cloning.

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RobertScorpio Nov. 17, 2009 @ 10:49 p.m.

I have a relative who works in the field, and I fear it is closer than we think. I think by the end of this century it will be here. But let us say it gets here at the end of the century? I have traveled all around this world, and I know that there are parts of this world, belief systems, that will pose big problems down the line for cloned humans. I'm just wondering if laws should be established now to protect them?

The harvesting of body parts for a society that can live longer and longer each year will make cloning a successful business. And once big business gets involved? The sky is the limit.

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PistolPete Nov. 17, 2009 @ 11:20 p.m.

No new laws. It's not the answer. Granted, it's not the best solution but it's definetely not the answer. Who knows? Maybe cloning is part of evolution? I'm neither for nor against it.

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rickeysays Nov. 18, 2009 @ 4:02 a.m.

I wonder, if we get to where medical science is this advanced, could you clone yourself a more attractive body, then transplant your brain into it? I'd like to be taller, tanner, and have a bigger schlong. That would be cool.

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RobertScorpio Nov. 18, 2009 @ 7:03 a.m.

You want your clone to look like RINO? Yikes.

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arinoman Nov. 18, 2009 @ 9:59 a.m.

Who are you? My man Josh's younger brother. This topic is so far-fetched, aint no one going to read it but a bunch of white-boy nerds. Go out and find a girl, or man, if thats your 'thang'.

Rino Not a clone; 100% man!

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PistolPete Nov. 18, 2009 @ 10:54 a.m.

You're here, aren't you? Kind of hard to call the kettle black, ain't it?

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Josh Board Nov. 18, 2009 @ 6:22 p.m.

Okay...now you guys really can't get mad at arinoman on this one. You're the ones that brought his name up first. So, if he hijacks your blog/thread, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

If I could clone a woman, the way Michael Anthony Hall (who just got arrested for trying to break into his ex-girlfriends house)...the way Hall did in Weird Science, well, I wouldn't go Kelly LeBrock.

I might go Sophia Loren, circa 1962.

Or Halle Berry, circa 1992.

Or...oh...so many women, so many years. So few clones!

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Adam92102 Nov. 18, 2009 @ 6:44 p.m.

The issue with cloning, I think, has nothing to do with clones themselves but the people who do the cloning. In fact, it's more than just the "scientists," too, who are the issue. The issue is with humans and our inane need for more "things," clones or shoes or even drugs. It's as if we have a gene in our system that begs for more even though there's enough.

I'd like to see cloning for scientific purposes, such as prosthetics, but I know that's not going to happen. It's going to get out of control and we're going to need Will Smith to save us all.

As for me, I'll take Elle Macpherson from the mid-80s, please-and-thank-you. Ah, hormonal flashbacks from my teen years.

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RobertScorpio Nov. 18, 2009 @ 9:01 p.m.

Hmmm..cloning women who we want to be with from the past? Would Marilyn Monroe's estate get in royalties? I bet Angelina Jolie would rake in the dough!!!

You could clone mindless bodies just to sexually please yourself with. In fact, porn is what drove VHS TAPES and the CD rage. So why not sex driving the clone business???

Rob

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PistolPete Nov. 18, 2009 @ 9:40 p.m.

"The issue is with humans and our inane need for more "things," clones or shoes or even drugs. It's as if we have a gene in our system that begs for more even though there's enough."

I'm moving to Esco on the 28th so I'm busy packing up the house. My GF is a crafter/crocheter. LOTS of crap that needs to be boxed up. Her mother is addicted to QVC. She fancies herself a cook and has about $2,000 worth of pointless, inanr cooking gadgets and cookware. Today alone I boxed up 8 LARGE boxes of nothing but Pots, pans, skillets, roasters, George Forman grills, nearly 75 pieces of Lock'n'Lock,etc,etc. She's 81 and grunts and groans like she's dying everytime she leaves her room. It's ridulous. When she dies, there is going to be one hell of a QVC garage sale. EVERYTHING WILL GO! She bought a brand new steamer for kitchens and bathrooms. That wasn't good enough even though she never used it. 3 weeks later she bought a better steamer. That was 4 months ago. I've never seen her use it.

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arinoman Nov. 18, 2009 @ 9:43 p.m.

If I were to clone a woman I would clone none other than Aretha! That woman knows about love and is all woman. These twigs you white dudes dig are further proof of your fascination with young-young girls. I am not surprised.

Rino The Man with all the answers; yep!

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Russ Lewis Nov. 18, 2009 @ 9:46 p.m.

(#12) My God, Pete. "The more you have, the more you need," as they say. I've always found it preferable -- and saner -- to steer in the opposite direction: toward voluntary simplicity. So much better in so many ways.

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RobertScorpio Nov. 18, 2009 @ 9:54 p.m.

I love that term Russl; Voluntary Simplicity. Thats a keeper! Did you come up with that?

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antigeekess Nov. 18, 2009 @ 10:01 p.m.

Someone using the shiny new moniker "Robert Scorpio" wrote:

"Anyway, it got me thinking..."

"I got in a debate..."

"I have recently heard..."

Good Lord, Looks like ?????, Sower of hatred and discord.

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PistolPete Nov. 18, 2009 @ 10:06 p.m.

Yeah. Before and after dinner I packed 3 LARGE boxes of my stuff. Half is clothes. I didn't bring much when the Greyhound dropped me off in Esco in July of '05 and I haven't bought much stuff since. I'm a simple man.

The other day I packed up about 9 or 10 LARGE boxes of stuff from the kitchen, the pantry and the laundry shelves. My GF has about 15 LARGE boxes of clothes and other crap she never wears or uses. Her husband has about 5 or 6 LARGE boxes to pack up. Her mother has about 8-10 MEDIUM boxes in her closet packed up. I need to help her pack her music books up tomorrow. Then there's the furniture-3 beds, 4 large cabinets, the computer desk, the dining room table, about 10 chairs, an electric piano, dressers....THE S*** NEVER ENDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And my GF's and her husband's response to me packing two days ago? "Why ya packin' so early?"

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Russ Lewis Nov. 18, 2009 @ 10:14 p.m.

(#14) "Voluntary Simplicity. Thats a keeper! Did you come up with that?"

Wish I had but it's old. There's plenty of books on the subject; try 101 Ways to a Simpler Lifestyle for a good start.

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David Dodd Nov. 18, 2009 @ 10:16 p.m.

It seems moot to me, AG. I mean, cloning humans is ridiculous. We can't even manage to feed the people we already have on this planet, much less treat each other with respect and civility sometimes. I can't imagine how cloning humans is going to help anything at all. It's fodder for fans of speculative fiction, written by a bunch of writers that assume humans are capable of taking care of this planet and see it as a foregone conclusion that somehow they will.

Programs like Star Trek were interesting because humans and aliens often still faced the same problems that they did in 1965. Worrying about how clones might be treated in 2400 A.D. presumes that humanity will not have blown itself up by then, and ignores the fact that here in 2009 about twenty children every sixty seconds die from poverty-related causes.

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antigeekess Nov. 18, 2009 @ 10:34 p.m.

Re #18:

My only comment was regarding the fact that I think this writer is probably a clone of someone we already know, all too well.

Best evidence for the existence of human clones: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/xRlfisVaPtT/Little+SURI+Learns+Mom+KATIE+HOLMES+How+Dress/0pnnjPTF_o5/Suri+Cruise

I'm sorry, but that child looks TOO much like her mother. It's like looking at a younger version of exactly the same person.

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David Dodd Nov. 18, 2009 @ 10:46 p.m.

Re: #19

I realized what you meant about a minute after I posted the comment. Casts the term "clone" into a whole new light...

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RobertScorpio Nov. 18, 2009 @ 10:47 p.m.

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Oh, I agree with you. I don't think humanity is ready to clone hunmans at all. But I think big business will do it because the money-making potential is just too much of a reason to do it. With humans living longer, they will need spare parts and cloning, as opposed to cyborg technology, is more appealing to humans; I think.

Then you have all those nightmare ideas. Cloning T-REXs, or Hitler, or Arinoman. The thought makes me shake in my boots!

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RobertScorpio Nov. 18, 2009 @ 10:49 p.m.

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Oh, I agree with you. I don't think humanity is ready to clone humans at all. But I think big business will do it because the money-making potential is just too much of a reason to do it. With humans living longer, they will need spare parts and cloning, as opposed to cyborg technology, is more appealing to humans; I think.

Then you have all those nightmare ideas. Cloning T-REXs, or Hitler, or Arinoman. The thought makes me shake in my boots!

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rickeysays Nov. 18, 2009 @ 11:33 p.m.

BTW AG, I don't know where you get that. When has your arch enemy ever talked about scifi themes? Or said anything about General Hospital?

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RobertScorpio Nov. 18, 2009 @ 11:35 p.m.

I was pouring some more Captain Morgan, not paying attention, and I clicked on the post thingy and well, nothing happened. So I clicked it again after I corrected a word I saw that I goofed up on. Then it cloned. I hope HOMELAND SECRURITY doesn't hunt me down for this!!!

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PistolPete Nov. 18, 2009 @ 11:39 p.m.

Gotta little Captain in ya? AAAAAAAARGH!

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Josh Board Nov. 19, 2009 @ 1:41 a.m.

It's okay, Rickey. I think it gives Geek and SD great joy to think they've discovered this person or that person, using different names.

Geek had a great line in some thread where she was saying I always harass her or some such BS. Yet, here she is bringing up my name (with a clever little rhyme).

I also love how she says she doesn't read my blogs, yet she's always getting upset by the things in the blogs, that "someone" alerts her to. Yeah, right.

And why would I create a pen name? If I wanted to do a topic on cloning, it would've just been a blog topic for me on my DAILY CRASHER blog. You really need to get a life, if your existance is just running around these boards, getting angry at this Board (or this Scorpio).

Geek, either join in the topic at hand here or butt out (don't let the door hit that big behind on the way out).

Now, back to the cloning topic.

Arin, again, I hate to say it, but you bring up another decent point. All us guys are acting all stupid, at the various women we'd clone, for purely sexual reasons.

Why not clone Aretha, not for sex, but to have her belt out some great tunes? Great idea. In that case, clone me Etta James (I know she isn't dead yet, but...the current version of her doesn't put on much of a show).

Pete, if you need help moving, drop me an IM via this website.

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SurfPuppy619 Nov. 22, 2009 @ 8:59 a.m.

Wish I had but it's old. There's plenty of books on the subject; try 101 Ways to a Simpler Lifestyle for a good start.

By russl

Wow, I am impressed, I kind of figured "Burger Boy" russl for a "Where's Waldo" book club fan!

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Russ Lewis Nov. 22, 2009 @ 10:58 a.m.

Keep flaunting your ignorance, SpermPuppy. You're on a roll. (P.S.: Your typist is doing better.)

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SurfPuppy619 Nov. 22, 2009 @ 11:01 a.m.

Keep flaunting your ignorance, SpermPuppy. You're on a roll. (P.S.: Your typist is doing better.)

By russl

Have you found "Waldo" yet Burger Boy? I might be able to help :)

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RobertScorpio Dec. 7, 2009 @ 6:55 a.m.

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I'm more worried that they could create clones, somehow lower their brain power to where they are just 'mindless' bodies that could be trained to do a certain task. The church wouldn't consider them 'complete' humans, and already would think they are going to hell because they were not created by God, and whammo; slaves.

I mean, thats what drove slavery for many centuries; the belief that Africans were not 'complete' humans. All they need to do is have the Church decide these clones are not really humans, and the Governments of the world sign laws agreeing with such, and then you could have millions of slaves to do the jobs that no one else wants to do.

You never know.

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