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Police and fire unions, the Municipal Employee Association and the Labor Council have paid $276,000 of the $419,000 spent on the Yes on D committee, says former City Attorney Mike Aguirre, an opponent of the measure. Among private sector donors are wealthy San Diegans David Copley and Irwin Mark Jacobs.

The Wall Street Journal reported today (Oct. 22) that the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees is the biggest outside spender in the 2010 election. The union has given $87.5 million. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has given $75 million and groups such as those headed by Karl Rove have given $65 million. The Service Employees International Union, representing public employees, has given $44 million and the National Education Association $40 million. How much has come in secretly and unaccounted for from far right, business, and various conservative front groups is not known.

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a2zresource Oct. 22, 2010 @ 9:43 p.m.

RE "The Wall Street Journal reported today (Oct. 22) that the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees is the biggest outside spender in the 2010 election. The union has given $87.5 million. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has given $75 million and groups such as those headed by Karl Rove have given $65 million. The Service Employees International Union, representing public employees, has given $44 million and the National Education Association $40 million":

By comparison, Jerry Sanders, Fred Maas and Nathan Fletcher secretly put up $6 billion in City of San Diego future tax revenues on the table in Sacramento.

The people of San Diego are thankful that they are so generous with OPM. At least the homeless got Golden Hall temporarily.

At what point did the Romans start throwing out bread at the free circuses in their stadium? Was it before or after the human sacrifices to distract the mob?

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Don Bauder Oct. 22, 2010 @ 9:51 p.m.

Response to post #1: Yes, Sanders, Maas and Fletcher single-handedly and surreptitiously put San Diego and its future citizens in hock permanently, and the people had no chance to say anything. Best, Don Bauder

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Founder Oct. 24, 2010 @ 4:26 p.m.

  • The Three $tooges -*

Reply #2 A question for you

Are you referring to The Three $tooges Who are making a joke of City Biz

The Voters do not think it's a laughing matter Watching the Politicians get so much fatter

All Prop D will do is help to fund their really BIG Pension But it will not do anything for citizen retention

The City of San Diego is now so deeply in massive fiscal debt That spending a Billion on a new Guacamole Bowl is NOT a sure bet

*from: http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs...

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 24, 2010 @ 6:06 p.m.

The Voters do not think it's a laughing matter Watching the Politicians get so much fatter

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Describes Sanders to the T!

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Founder Oct. 24, 2010 @ 6:39 p.m.

Reply #4 Have you noticed his nose getting longer?

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Don Bauder Oct. 24, 2010 @ 8:32 p.m.

Response to post #3: It's not just Sanders's ethics that are horrible. His timing is, too. Here he is trying to convince the populace that a tax increase will be used to fill potholes, curtail the police/fire brownouts, repair the infrastructure, etc. and he pulls the scam in Sacrament, showing that his main interest is funneling money to a football stadium. It belies everything he is trying to tell voters. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 24, 2010 @ 8:33 p.m.

Response to post #4: But does the populace eye the corpulence? Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 24, 2010 @ 8:35 p.m.

Response to post #5: Does it extend further outward than his belly? Best, Don Bauder

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historymatters Oct. 24, 2010 @ 8:53 p.m.

Don, not to keep reiterating the same point but I just found this article from 4 days ago in CityBeat on even more recent suspicious behavior by our registrar of voters deborah seiler

http://www.sdcitybeat.com/sandiego/article-8307-discouraging-democracy.html#commAjax

Im telling you 100 million a year is at stake... dont discount the effort to "buy" the results.

Someone posted a comment to "ask seiler about the bonuses given to her workers during the 2010 primaries". Id look into this. there is something going on here. If you google Seiler you will find alot of compelling stuff to suggest she could and would rig an election.

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 25, 2010 @ 12:16 a.m.

Does it extend further outward than his belly?

KFC Sanders is 5'6 or so and looks to be topping the scales at 300# plus, nothing exyends further than his big fat belly.

If I were him I would be ashamed to go out in public. I would be living in the gym, on the treadmill.........

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Founder Oct. 25, 2010 @ 8:48 a.m.

Reply #10 What from, it's not clean living, so it must be from too much PORK!

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Ponzi Oct. 25, 2010 @ 12:22 p.m.

Okay, this is a rant. Because it just happened to me this morning and only confirms why I hate bureaucrats, particularly public ones at every level.

It’s why I don’t support tax increased for them and why I enjoy seeing their numbers get cut and why I don’t like their whining.

They seem to be staffed with under qualified, slow, lazy people. I don’t know if some of this is from quotas or if it’s from connections. The one thing is that is endemic to unions.

I filed a change of firearm ownership with the California Department of Justice about 3 weeks ago. I called their office in Sacramento to see if it had been processed. After having to be transferred a couple of times, a person tells me the only way I can find out is when I get a letter from them in 6 to 8 weeks. I asked if she could look it up on a computer. She said no. (She lied. Didn’t want to bother). How do I know? Because I can call the San Diego Police Department and they can look it up and tell me. How do I know that? Because I called them and they did. Now why can’t the person working for the DOJ in their main office look it up but a local police department can? Because she is lazy and lied.

I’m also rather peeved that the personalize license plates I order from the DMV 14 weeks ago have not arrived.

And they think we will believe more money will fix things? NO ON PROP D - NO ON ANY TAXES OR FEES that feed the beast.

The only thing that any government concern should be discussing is pension reform, because they are all upside down.

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 25, 2010 @ 12:58 p.m.

I’m also rather peeved that the personalize license plates I order from the DMV 14 weeks ago have not arrived.

=============== It is from those furlough days (sarcasm intended)

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Don Bauder Oct. 25, 2010 @ 12:59 p.m.

Response to post #9: I hope she would not do that, and I hope there are failsafes to prevent such activities. But I do know some people are worried. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 25, 2010 @ 1 p.m.

Response to post #10: Well, he IS on a treadmill -- at least, he has San Diego on one. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 25, 2010 @ 1:03 p.m.

Response to post #11: He's bringin' home the bacon -- to the establishment moguls to whom he is indebted. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 25, 2010 @ 1:06 p.m.

Response to post #12: Actually, you got good service from San Diego and bad service from Sacramento. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 25, 2010 @ 1:09 p.m.

Response to post #13: Scramble the two words: it's not the furloughs, it's the loafers. Best, Don Bauder

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historymatters Oct. 25, 2010 @ 10:15 p.m.

@Don, For what its worth this is what i know....

Unfortunately if a registrar is corrupt it is not that difficult to fix election results if you can get people to mail them in. Seiler is in charge of everything. no one oversees her. The Sec of State only certifies the machines which the HBO documentary on voting machines "Hacking Democracy" revealed are not difficult to rig. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_...

Her unbelievable zealousness to get people to mail ballots in is bizarre.... I mean even the envelopes say "Fill out and return PROMPTLY" in huge font. That seems very unprofessional. It should say "must be postmarked by x/2010". The IRS would like you to do your taxes early but they dont say "return PROMPTLY". they give you a postmark date of April 15th. And the fact that they have people stationed in bars on a Sunday night to pressure you to permanently change your vote status is unreal.

again these people w/ clipboards are not trying to register people to vote but to get them to permanently change their voting status to mail in which is what the city of bell Ca did before they rigged their election according to the wall st journal.

these are seilers preferences in order 1; that you dont vote at all 2: that you mail in your vote very very early 3: that you just mail it in

I just find her history questionable and highly suspect and at the very least she should be fired. You cannot have the person that worked for Diebold, a privately owned right winged company w/ proprietary software as their sales rep now running our elections. it is a PROFOUND conflict of interest.

But at any rate the letter I wrote to the sec of State is seen here on my fb page. As I said Bowen basically said the registrar is in charge of everything and the Sec o State can only certify the machines. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=546382152#!/note.php?note_id=93430039397

So for what its worth i would at least like people to know that Democracy is really in jeopardy here more than most places and I hope people will take their ballots by hand to the registrars office to minimize any chain of custody.

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Don Bauder Oct. 26, 2010 @ 7:39 a.m.

Response to post #19: It will be interesting to see how the election goes. Some believe that having an army of poll watchers will be sufficient to thwart rigging. But possibly the county needs more than that. Best, Don Bauder

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Founder Oct. 26, 2010 @ 8:40 a.m.

Helping #19 with their Facebook link: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=546382152#!/note.php?note_id=93430039397
+ If this is true and I don't have information one way or another then "OUR system needs some safe guards ASAP, like right now, to see who is counting (hopefully) or not counting our mail in ballot votes! The public needs to be assured that ALL their votes are being counted properly!

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Don Bauder Oct. 26, 2010 @ 11:49 a.m.

Response to post #21: Agreed. The trouble is that the mayor and his crowd have such low credibility that nobody would believe a word if they stated that every ballot had been counted accurately. Best, Don Bauder

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a2zresource Oct. 26, 2010 @ 12:58 p.m.

I'm pretty much convinced that all Proposition D revenue, IF it passes, will just visit the general fund briefly before leaving in the form of a check for Superior Court sanctions and/or damages in KESSLER V. CITY OF SAN DIEGO.

Sorry, police officers, firefighters, and other municipal employees. All you are doing is fighting the rear guard action as the Mayor's Office marches off the field under its extended-discovery white flag while some of our city council members ponder the real meaning of "debt servicing", "public willingness to repay general obligations" and "negative rating factors" on the sidelines...

You should have all been undisclosed consultants for SEDC instead. There are no complaints from any of them about what they've been getting paid, and some of them got some serious discounts on gently-used low-income housing.

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Founder Oct. 26, 2010 @ 1:29 p.m.

Prop D (for Dumb) will signals the "tipping Point" for SD as it goes from "SoCal Cool" to "$o Cruel" as the Greedy take control and come out of the Money Closet!

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Don Bauder Oct. 26, 2010 @ 3:12 p.m.

Response to post #23: Gee, that would mean Kessler would walk off with $100 million in a year. Obviously, you are joking. But you are not joking on one point: let's hope councilmembers learn something about debt service, negative rating factors, etc. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 26, 2010 @ 3:15 p.m.

Response to post #24: The problem with an increase in the sales tax is that it is a regressive tax. It hits the poor the hardest. The Chamber of Commerce is for it, but trade associations representing those who sell to the public -- auto dealers, retailers, etc. -- are understandably opposed. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 26, 2010 @ 4:34 p.m.

I'm pretty much convinced that all Proposition D revenue, IF it passes, will just visit the general fund briefly before leaving in the form of a check for Superior Court sanctions and/or damages in KESSLER V. CITY OF SAN DIEGO.

Very good point, at least part of it will.

What a resident of the City should do in cases like this-in all cases where gov employees engage in illegal activity that is beyond the scope of their employment- is sue the city employee on BEHALF of the city to recover ANY losses by the employee.

And San Diego should NOT be indemnifying any city employee who gets hit with a judgment for acting outside the score of their authority.

I would submit that intentional interference with a criminal investigation-the obstruction of justice- is outside the scope of employment.

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Don Bauder Oct. 26, 2010 @ 8:23 p.m.

Response to post #27: The City should definitely not be indemnifying employees for acts outside the scope of employment. Best, Don Bauder

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a2zresource Oct. 27, 2010 @ 2:06 a.m.

RE "Gee, that would mean Kessler would walk off with $100 million in a year. Obviously, you are joking":

I must've misplaced a decimal point! On the other hand, $100 million is what's being projected by the people who really, really want Proposition D to pass in the first place. Maybe we should take that with a grain of salt, especially if things are still looking like "no jobs = no sales" in the local retail outlook that we've been looking at for the near term.

Still, the joke could be on us if KESSLER V. CITY OF SAN DIEGO makes it to trial, hiz honor loses hiz honor, and there are PUNITIVE damages beyond compensatory. I'm wondering if such additional damages can be awarded on the Court's own motion even if Kessler hasn't asked for it... especially in a whistle-blower matter as the Court has previously referred to it in tentative orders. If the compensatory were something like $1-10 million, then treble punitive would add $3-30 million, and a $40 million biggest bite out of $100 million projected as the first year's Prop. D revenues would not look so pretty for all the effort that public employees seem to be putting into passage.

Surfpuppy has a point about suing to recover from hiz honor without honor (assuming no settlement but a loss at trial), but I don't know that this Defendant has what it takes to pay back what his mistakes may be taking from us in the first place.

IF our City Attorney can see a $40 million payday for Kessler, THEN maybe a first settlement offer could be in the $20 million range? Some crazy things can happen in court, especially when one leads with a summary judgment motion like the one that just flopped on all points.

I wonder if any of this is being bandied about at the community budget forums...

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Don Bauder Oct. 27, 2010 @ 7:21 a.m.

Response to post #29: If such matters are being discussed at these forums, the mayor is missing out, because he hasn't been showing up. My guess is that he is afraid of being asked questions about that late-night, highly-secret Chargers caper in Sacramento. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 27, 2010 @ 7:35 p.m.

Kessler may get soem serious cash, but 7 figures is a little high, but who knows.

I do know that if they win and get attorney fees, which they should, then the 7 figure range for total liability is easily within reach.

There was a local case about 10 years ago (I think) with an assistant deputy DA who was fired for political reasons, and she sued the DA I think (??) on a 1st Amendment cause of action (don't ask me who the DDA was or who the DA was at the time!!) and the lawyer fees alone (which she received b/c she won) were $750K-just the lawyer fees.

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Don Bauder Oct. 27, 2010 @ 9:24 p.m.

Response to post #31: I don't remember that case at all. Best, Don Bauder

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Visduh Oct. 29, 2010 @ 8:51 a.m.

The two largest private donors to the pro-Prop D campaign are two of the city's richest people. So, David Copley of recent fire-sale of assets fame, and Irwin Jacobs with his Qualcomm multi-millions, both think that all San Diegans should pay more sales tax. The rich really are different. They know what's best for the po' folks. And sales taxes, being regressive, hit the poorest the most.

Instead of donating to the political campaign, why don't they just donate the money to the city treasury? If they, and a number of like-minded bigwigs, had an annual campaign, they could make a pretty good dent in the deficit, and put their money where their mouths are. But those rich b*ds won't do that--they like being influential and telling the rest of us how to live.

Now that this cop died in a shootout, a tragic event for sure, just wait for Porkbelly Sanders to trot out the alarmism about police cutbacks to provide more reason to vote in favor. What I mean is that he'll use this tragic death for his own purposes. The man is shameless.

Despite the assurances of SurfPuppy, I think that Prop D will pass. The whole state was conned into approving a sales tax boost in the early 90's, that one supposedly earmarked for police and fire protection.

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Founder Oct. 29, 2010 @ 9:56 a.m.

Reply #33 Your description of the Ultra Wealthy's desire to remake San Diego in their own image is right on!

$INCE they are enabling Mayor $anders to "hood wink" the taxpayers of San Diego then they also become suspect, despite all their donations and black tie parties for all their rich and famous friends. I look for CA Senator Kehoe and soon to be CA Rep. Atkins to join their "IN Crowd", since they also are part of the Pension Payout Club, having themselves added greatly to our City's Pension Problems*...

If all voters took some of what they would spend if proposed Prop D passes and bought their own firearms (and received the required training), SD would in my opinion be a much safer place for everyone, not just the Ultra Wealthy!

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Don Bauder Oct. 29, 2010 @ 11:57 a.m.

Response to post #33: Irwin Mark Jacobs did give to the library campaign and is willing to give money to expand Balboa Park parking. I don't think David Copley has given much of anything to the city, although a few things were donated to the waterfront before most of the Copley Library materials were put up for auction. David doesn't have the money he once had. The U-T was sold for a very, very low price. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 29, 2010 @ 12:02 p.m.

Response to post #34: It's interesting that when Prop. D was first proposed, most thought it was DOA. Now people think the vote will be very close, and Prop. D may well win. In San Diego, money can buy anything. I'm surprised that opponents didn't pick up Kelly Cunningham's study showing that retail sales plunged greatly in the county cities that raised sales taxes, and also in the entire state after it raised sales taxes. Best, Don Bauder

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Founder Oct. 29, 2010 @ 12:14 p.m.

Reply Perhaps you can post a link to that $TUDY, For all the Voters in San Diego to STUDY!

Vote NO on Prop D (fro Dumb)... Save your Yes Vote for the Recall Election Measure!

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Visduh Oct. 29, 2010 @ 12:36 p.m.

Reply to Founder's post #34:

Gee, Founder, I had you pegged as a liberal. Now your comment about firearms makes me think I was wrong. Care to comment?

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Founder Oct. 29, 2010 @ 1:44 p.m.

  • Build and the Rich will COME -*

Reply to #6 They're up to their old tricks

Only if it will save them more money And I am not trying to be funny

Maybe this is why using non Union Labor is now up for Vote Saving a dime is something the Ultra Wealthy always do by rote

I bet the Unions will be cut from working on the Guacamole Bowl Reducing all those Union Workers wages, will be the Owners first goal

After getting the Unions to support Prop D They will now lose more jobs, just wait and you will see

Voters and all taxpayers are now getting stuck in the back That's why many are talking of giving our Leaders the $ACK

So voting No on Prop D Is the first BIG step for me

*from: http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/np-star/2010/aug/26/rhyme-a-day/#c75852

and http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/oct/28/south-parks-granny-flats-city-says-yay-some-citize/#c75853

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SurfPuppy619 Oct. 29, 2010 @ 2:47 p.m.

Now that this cop died in a shootout, a tragic event for sure, just wait for Porkbelly Sanders to trot out the alarmism about police cutbacks to provide more reason to vote in favor. What I mean is that he'll use this tragic death for his own purposes. The man is shameless.

====================== I hope this does not happen.

When the word of that SDPD officer killing hit the net I was very upset about it. I cannot recall the last SDPD cop to get killed in the line of duty, but it has been some time. I remember many of them, like Jerry Hartless in 88 and Gerald Riggs in 85,and when you remember the names of these guys and the year, even though they were killed in the line of duty 20-25+ years ago, it is obvious that it affects you.

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Don Bauder Oct. 29, 2010 @ 7:27 p.m.

REsponse to post #37: I posted a long item on the study Oct. 22, 5:32 p.m. The headline is "Three-Year SD Consumer Spending Drop Worst Since Great Depression." Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 29, 2010 @ 7:30 p.m.

Response to post #38: Maybe he has figured out that liberals really should be armed in this extreme rightwing environment. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 29, 2010 @ 7:34 p.m.

Response to post #39: The labor dispute between NFL owners and players next year -- if it takes place -- may be the most publicized battle of 2011. It would pit the superrich (owners) versus the merely rich (players). Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Oct. 29, 2010 @ 7:36 p.m.

Response to post #40: I don't know if Sanders has pulled out that tragedy in his campaign for Prop. D. Best, Don Bauder

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