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Councilmember Carl DeMaio came out today (Nov. 12) with his plan to solve the City of San Diego's backbreaking financial problem. I read his plan. It made me think about that great, sneering, cynical line in Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot": the ardent belief in "the beauty of the way and the goodness of the wayfarers." DeMaio seems to believe that if the City just sits down with its public employee unions, they will agree to cuts. And he believes that if the city goes heavily into managed competition -- the private sector bidding on jobs now done by the public sector -- there will be immediate huge savings. Says Vlad Kogan, PhD candidate in political science at the University of California San Diego, "The jury is still out whether managed competition saves you money or not. You find cases where it works and cases where it doesn't work. You need very good oversight and very good contracts, and the City does not have a good history of providing good oversight or good contracts." (In my view, the City has a sorry, smelly history of doling contracts to big political donors.)

DeMaio does not address a key problem: the hogging of redevelopment funds downtown, engineered by Centre City Development Corp. (CCDC), which is merely an extension of the real estate development industry. If the City extends the cap on CCDC's financial muscle, "you make the problem worse by keeping money downtown instead of it going to the neighborhoods" where it could be spent on the City's rotting infrastructure, says Kogan. DeMaio correctly wants to shelve the building of a new city hall complex, but he says nothing about the ridiculous idea of giving a $600 million subsidy for a Chargers stadium, or expanding the convention center. In my opinion, what's needed is a pledge that not a cent will go to these projects, because citizens will never believe they have to give up safety services, infrastructure, and maintenance so, in the case of the stadium, billionaires can get massive subsidies.

DeMaio would look into expanding public-private partnerships for parks and recreation programs. This could put Balboa Park in the hands of a for-profit company that to make money would have to turn it into a Disneyland. (Balboa Park is already going too far in that direction, say some.)

"For Carl's plan to work, unions would have to agree to cutbacks. It isn't going to happen," says Mike Aguirre, former city attorney. "The problem with the plan is that there are so many moving parts, the necessity for agreement from so many parties, the likelihood of it working is doubtful." DeMaio says he would use techniques that are similar to those used in bankruptcy, but he is against a filing because of the stigma. But effectively, Mayor Sanders "has already said the City is broke," says Aguirre, who prefers a bankruptcy filing. "The moment you file reorganization [bankruptcy], the City is relieved of the obligation to make full pension payments," says Aguirre. Importantly, in bankruptcy, the City "wouldn't have to sell assets," says Aguirre. By contrast, DeMaio wants to sell the Miramar Landfill, "which is a valuable asset."

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SurfPuppy619 Nov. 5, 2010 @ 7:23 p.m.

"For Carl's plan to work, unions would have to agree to cutbacks. It isn't going to happen," says Mike Aguirre, former city attorney.

I would "impose" the contracts on the unions, they can't strike.

I think BK could bne averted if there were 25% cut in salary to the top earners ($100K+), all PD and FD, and CAP the salary for 5 years, put the savings into the pension system and all new hires into 401K, or DB DC hybrid-1%@40 with 6% DC match.

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a2zresource Nov. 5, 2010 @ 8:49 p.m.

If the City of San Diego will not handle things through a bankruptcy, then would there be some truth to rumors of a La Jolla split from San Diego?

I understand that in Detroit, shrinking the city limits until services can be provided to what's left is a real option, an idea floated by its mayor...

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nativesd Nov. 5, 2010 @ 9:18 p.m.

Don

Do you know who contributes to DeMaio's campaign fund--or whatever he calls his pot of dough? He obviously doesn't do all of this on his council member salary. Are the contributions corporate? Or from out-of-state ideological groups? I seem to recall that he got funding from the Club for Growth (sic?) the right-wing group out of Washington DC.

My problem with DeMaio is the lack of transparency in his persona, unless of course it's all about positioning himself as Mayor or higher which brings cynicism to the fore. Compared with Aguirre, DeMaio comes across as a mean fellow with a heart of stone. I'd put my money on Aguirre any day as someone who actually has the best interests of San Diego at heart, as opposed to his own interests. No one could have traveled down as many quixotic roads as Aguirre without actually caring for people.

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SurfPuppy619 Nov. 5, 2010 @ 9:25 p.m.

I understand that in Detroit, shrinking

Detroit's U-6 unemployment rate is just below 50%. They are BK, just like SD is, just have not filed yet.

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SurfPuppy619 Nov. 5, 2010 @ 9:27 p.m.

No one could have traveled down as many quixotic roads as Aguirre without actually caring for people.

I was Mike's biggest cheer leader on the UT-until they booted me off for being head cheer leader, and you're right, he did care.

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Don Bauder Nov. 5, 2010 @ 9:45 p.m.

Response to post #1: There has to be a move toward defined contribution plans -- and not just with new employees. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 5, 2010 @ 9:48 p.m.

Response to post #2: Some La Jollans have been talking secession of late. It's not so new, though. I've heard it before. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 5, 2010 @ 9:51 p.m.

Response to post #3: A list of DeMaio's backers should be a matter of public record. I agree: of the two, Aguirre has the good of San Diegans more in mind. He knows the solutions will have to be tough. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 5, 2010 @ 9:53 p.m.

Response to post #4: If it makes you feel better, San Diego is in nowhere as bad shape as Detroit. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 5, 2010 @ 9:57 p.m.

Response to post #5: I didn't know you were on the U-T. Tell us more. Aguirre's political problem is that he wanted to solve problems, not corral votes. He said what he believed. He crossed both business and labor, and, of course, the U-T. That's hard to overcome. Best, Don Bauder

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Anon92107 Nov. 6, 2010 @ 4:28 a.m.

Response to post #5 7 & 10:

Go for it SurfPuppy!

San Diego families need all the champions we can get to overthrow the destructive political corruption that is destroying San Diego quality of life.

I would also love to see OB secede along with La Jolla, maybe we could become something like Baja La Jolla (especially since we are already a peninsula).

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Anon92107 Nov. 6, 2010 @ 5:12 a.m.

P.S. "FREE OB"

If Baja OB won't work for my fellow citizens of OB, maybe La Jolla would consider being called Norte OB.

Don, we just spent a wonderful week in and around Dillon, CO during the peak of the aspen season and noticed they have a most terrific reservoir full of water while we walked along it a few weeks ago. Do you think they might consider being annexed to OB, or maybe they could consider annexing OB? We also noticed that the bike paths next to I70 have to be some of the best in the world. And they also have the great Arapahoe Cafe that we ate at almost every day.

And I just know they would love to Surf OB, shop and eat in the Newport Ave. area, walking on our pier at sunset, biking to Cabrillo Monument, falling in love with our palm trees, etc. in return.

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Don Bauder Nov. 6, 2010 @ 8:31 a.m.

Response to post #11: I don't think secessions will become a big issue, but if they do -- ouch! What happens to San Diego's tax base? Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 6, 2010 @ 8:36 a.m.

Response to post #70: Dillon is in beautiful country -- not as beautiful as where we are (Salida), in my opinion, but I am biased. I don't think either Dillon or Salida would merge with Ocean Beach, California. There would be some legal complications. And why would any municipality knowingly take on California's debts and government? Best, Don Bauder

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Founder Nov. 6, 2010 @ 12:05 p.m.

$D is now all about MONEY.

I cheered DeMaio's firm fiscal stance on but that said we now need to take SP's advice and reduce all the top earners ASAP or find Leaders that will!

The longer we wait the harder it will be and the more of San Diego the current Leaders will have sold off to protect their own Pensions!

Managed Comp. is just another sell off of San Diego's Quality of Life...

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nan shartel Nov. 6, 2010 @ 1:58 p.m.

i don't think any of these kind of politicians r blind to greed :-(

i think their eye r wide open and their pupils r $$$ signs ;-)

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nan shartel Nov. 6, 2010 @ 2:06 p.m.

10

PUPPY!! PUPPY!! PUPPY!!!

U LIKE D BAUDER GOT THE MUSCULAR STREET CRED TO MAKE A FINE ARGUMENT FOR DA TRUTH!!!

go on wid ur bad selves and ring dos warnin' bells highminders!!!

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Don Bauder Nov. 6, 2010 @ 2:21 p.m.

Response to post #15: Managed competition can work in a clean town. It won't work in a corrupt one. In San Diego, why even bother trying it? The contracts will go to political donors. The shibboleth should be: REMEMBER LIBERTY STATION! Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Nov. 6, 2010 @ 6:56 p.m.

Managed Comp. is just another sell off of San Diego's Quality of Life

I don't think we need managed competition, we could do just fine if we lowered the overall compensation, especially the public safety employees.

And like Don said, it could be hard to implement managed competition b/c of cronyism and nepostism, but we have always had that problem in the hiring of gov employees-the best jobs go to those best connected. So it is a toss up really.

So lower the comp, pay a little less, shore up the pension account, CAP salaries for 5 years, or until the pension system is @120% of funding.

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Don Bauder Nov. 6, 2010 @ 10:09 p.m.

Response to pot #19: Admittedly, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't dilemma. But knowing San Diego as I do, I have no doubt that under managed competition the contracts will go to big political donors. Again, there should be bumper stickers: "REMEMBER LIBERTY STATION" OR "REMEMBER NTC." Lennar had the savvy and finances to do that job. But Corky McMillin lavished money on councilmember and got the land for $7, or something like that. San Diegans should never forget that. Best, Don Bauder

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politicky Nov. 7, 2010 @ 11:46 a.m.

Thank you Mr. Bauder,

for being the voice of sanity in a county that all too often is to the right of Attila the Hun.

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MsGrant Nov. 7, 2010 @ 12:27 p.m.

"but we have always had that problem in the hiring of gov employees-the best jobs go to those best connected".

This is a big problem. I have an idea for those government clerical jobs that go to those that "know someone". We could follow corporate America's method and off-shore them to India. Salaries and future pensions saved!! But I suppose the unions would have a slight problem with that.

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nan shartel Nov. 7, 2010 @ 2:56 p.m.

shibboleth

a nummy word pooh

21 ditto

yah Grantie Nepotism is more then just a family affair now

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Don Bauder Nov. 7, 2010 @ 3:24 p.m.

Response to post #21: Attila was not a very charitable person. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 7, 2010 @ 3:28 p.m.

Response to post #22: Some government jobs are going to countries such as India. However, this is why the government employee unions have become so strong while formerly powerful private sector unions have almost become impotent: private sector jobs are being sent overseas while few public sector jobs are. Best, Don Bauder

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JustWondering Nov. 7, 2010 @ 3:50 p.m.

The IRS would not be too happy to see any pension system funded at 120%. Funding at those levels would risk the system's tax exempt status, and indicate too much money is being sheltered from Uncle Sam. If the IRS is not getting its share of tax money, they get a little nasty.

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SurfPuppy619 Nov. 7, 2010 @ 4:30 p.m.

The IRS would not be too happy to see any pension system funded at 120%. Funding at those levels would risk the system's tax exempt status, and indicate too much money is being sheltered from Uncle Sam.

This is absolutely false.

There is NO rule, regulation nor law that would prevent a pension fund from being funded above a 100% level, be it 20% or 100%.

Indeed, after Calpers lost a full 40% of it's funding in 2007-2008 this would be a welcome change.

Even if there were some law that would affect funding at 120%, that could very easily be cured by congressional legislation, but as I said, there is nothing to prevent funding above 100%.

BTW-my plan is better than the one DeMaio has presented, because it keeps the muni work force intact-no outsourcing, while also keeping all employees working-no lay offs.

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Don Bauder Nov. 7, 2010 @ 5:07 p.m.

Response to post #23: "Nummy" word? Explain, please. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 7, 2010 @ 5:10 p.m.

Response to post #26: I don't know IRS rules on that point. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 7, 2010 @ 5:12 p.m.

Response to post #27: SP has an answer. Anybody want to argue the point? Best, Don Bauder

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Founder Nov. 7, 2010 @ 5:37 p.m.

Reply #30 Thou Shall Not Argue With SP! + With his Pension Plan and my Volunteers, SD would remain America's Finest City Instead of being $OLD OUT to the highest $UPPORTER$ by our Leaders that want to protect their OWN Pensions!

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Visduh Nov. 7, 2010 @ 8:44 p.m.

The IRS might have a problem with an overfunded private pension plan, because the contributions that put it there were treated as business expense and thus escaped taxation. But then there is ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act) that was written to end abuses of corporations making promises to employees that their underfunded pension trusts could never keep. So the Feds are pushing from two directions. But what does ERISA have to do with a municipal plan? Cities don't pay income tax. There are no overfunding implications for the IRS from a governmental plan. And those plans are not covered by ERISA anyway. The feds exempted public agencies from ERISA. It pertains to the private sector alone.

So, JW, Just what are you Wondering about now?

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Don Bauder Nov. 7, 2010 @ 9:48 p.m.

Response to post #31: They want to protect their pensions and also take jobs with real estate developers when they leave politics. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 7, 2010 @ 9:49 p.m.

Response to post #32: It is JW's turn. Best, Don Bauder

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HonestGovernment Nov. 8, 2010 @ 7:05 p.m.

Carl's past is worth reviewing, from the time past when the U-T had one or two real reporters: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050518/news_1n18carl.html

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Don Bauder Nov. 8, 2010 @ 7:55 p.m.

Response to post #35: Carl has done many good things, such as standing up to the public employee unions. However, his backing of the convention center expansion at a time the City is insolvent (in his own words) and weasel-wording on the football stadium harm his credibility. Best, Don Bauder

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Founder Nov. 9, 2010 @ 10:41 a.m.

Reply #36 So what do you think Don, is Carl another Strong $anders in training?

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nan shartel Nov. 9, 2010 @ 11:58 a.m.

"NUMMY" is a brightly delicious adjective on ur tongue blest by an aftertaste of something that is delicious in a non-edible fashion, but can be compared to something that is edible.

many tanilizing tastetester steps above the also whimsical culinary word YUMMY

or shibboleth is a mighty tasty word pooh

but u knew that eh Don?...hahahahahaha

i'm so glad i don't have to explain the Urban Dictionary's meaning of the word diphthong...i could reek havoc with gliding vowels

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Don Bauder Nov. 9, 2010 @ 2:16 p.m.

Response to post #37: Carl DeMaio would be a great improvement on Sanders. First, DeMaio is intelligent. Also, Sanders only pretended that he wanted to do something about the excessive pensions. He never had any such intentions, largely because he gets such a fat one himself. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 9, 2010 @ 2:27 p.m.

Response to post #38: Never mind diphthong. Call somebody a ginkgo (also spelled gingko.) You may get punched in the nose. But a ginkgo is merely a tree found in eastern China. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Nov. 9, 2010 @ 5:04 p.m.

Carl DeMaio would be a great improvement on Sanders.

I would submit any current 5th grader within the city limits who has average grades would be a great improvement on KFC Sanders.

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a2zresource Nov. 9, 2010 @ 7:10 p.m.

RE SP "BTW-my plan is better than the one DeMaio has presented, because it keeps the muni work force intact-no outsourcing, while also keeping all employees working-no lay offs":

If the powers that be were listening and willing to do this AND had the cooperation of unionized municipal workers, it COULD work... but there has to be some allowance for citizens who know what they are doing to step up and fix a multitude of things in this town, or we will never catch up to the neglect our streets and other infrastructure are experiencing now.

I am this close to yelling at my ex-El Cajon Worker-I brother to see if he has a bucket of sealant or something else in his backyard shed that I could use when nobody is looking, before Akins Avenue adjacent to the 62nd Street trolley station turns into a giant frakking sinkhole. It's gonna happen soon since chunks of asphalt are missing already, the roadbed is exposed, and more rains are coming.

Encantostan is in dire need of foreign aid, and Madam Secretary of State does not have us on her travel itinerary.

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Don Bauder Nov. 9, 2010 @ 7:40 p.m.

Response to post #41: Remember, many San Diegans, if not most, believe Sanders will get the City out of the pension mess. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 9, 2010 @ 7:45 p.m.

Response to post #42: Maybe Borat can do something for Encantostan. Best, Don Bauder

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a2zresource Nov. 9, 2010 @ 10:15 p.m.

RE #44:

Borat could be helpful, otherwise I'd never thought I'd be sending Hugo Chavez a post card.

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Don Bauder Nov. 10, 2010 @ 6:42 a.m.

Response to post #45: Are you going to offer Chavez a board post on a large U.S. company -- say, Exxon or a company run by the Koch brothers? Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Nov. 10, 2010 @ 8 a.m.

to see if he has a bucket of sealant or something else in his backyard shed that I could use when nobody is looking, before Akins Avenue adjacent to the 62nd Street trolley station turns into a giant frakking sinkhole. It's gonna happen soon since chunks of asphalt are missing already, the roadbed is exposed, and more rains are coming.

I had a friend that had to clean out his own storm drains every winter, because there was so mcuh debris in them the thing backed up and the city crews never did it-so he went out every winter and cleaned them out-all the garbage and such.

Now, if we could only get a refund for self service we would be doing OK!

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SurfPuppy619 Nov. 10, 2010 @ 8:07 a.m.

Remember, many San Diegans, if not most, believe Sanders will get the City out of the pension mess.

Maybe this was true when KFC Sanders was elected, but not today-I would bet 75% of the city residents have no faith in him and just want him out of office. In fact Prop D is a very solid indication of that.

The worst thing is this has been repeated at the state level with Arnold, and the national level wth Obama. There was hope, and positive karma going into their administrations, and that hope died out after things did not go as planned, despite good intentions and efforts under Arnold and Obama. And in some cases the official did not live up to his promises- like KFC Sanders.

I hope Obama's Presidency mirros that of Ronnie Raygun, where the first two years were AWFUL, and then the country bounced back bigtime the last two years. I don't think that is going to happen with Obama though, the problems are structural and much deeper IMO, and this quantatative easing baloney is going to drive conumser prices into the stratosphere while destroying the value of the dollar. It is IMO the perfect financial storm.

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a2zresource Nov. 10, 2010 @ 9:40 a.m.

RE "I had a friend that had to clean out his own storm drains every winter, because there was so [much] debris in them the thing backed up and the city crews never did it-so he went out every winter and cleaned them out-all the garbage and such. Now, if we could only get a refund for self service we would be doing OK!"

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I would really love to see a state tax-and-fee forgiveness program for volunteers supporting local and state projects just like the one you mentioned.

If somebody volunteers one day a week in a year, then that person would get 20% off of ALL state and local taxes and fees in the next year, based on their volunteer effort to get things done around California.

For retirees and anybody else with the time to give 200+ volunteer days a year, make that 100% off all sate and local taxes and fees, with thanks from the Governor and people of California.

Those are the kind of people that the Governor ought to be pinning medals on.

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a2zresource Nov. 10, 2010 @ 10:51 a.m.

RE #46:

I've got it: Hugo Chavez, president-for-life of SEDC!

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nan shartel Nov. 10, 2010 @ 12:42 p.m.

40

no comment Don

i forgot the one i had in mind...hahahahahahaha

and i love ur idea for tax rebate for volunteerism A2Z

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Founder Nov. 10, 2010 @ 12:50 p.m.

Reply #48 Especially with a foot dragging Congress and now a Dem. controlled Senate and a New GOP controlled House; I'm thinking we will see nothing but DELAY until the next election so the GOP can say Obama did not get anything "DONE" that they did not try to repeal...

Because of GREED For the good of the Country has been replaced by For the Good Of the Party!

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Twister Nov. 10, 2010 @ 8:16 p.m.

Re 41 et al:

Bring first-or-fourth the fifth-grader! The idea of foisting de Mayo-naise malaise upon Saintly Diego as Mayor maketh me forth at the boca and upchuck at la lacuna de la cabeza migraña. Conserve estos cerrados.

Should such playpen stuff be banned or is comic all the relief we're gonna get? Do the number of posts to the DB blogs get him paid any better or just increase his work-load?

Twister

"From the mouths of los niños." En vin et veritas? In joint relief? Or is it enjoin?

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Don Bauder Nov. 10, 2010 @ 9:07 p.m.

Response to post #47: Some people say San Diego should not go into bankruptcy until it is no longer paying its bills. I say that it is a candidate for bankruptcy because it is no longer providing basic services -- which is, after all, what government is supposed to do, or WAS supposed to do in San Diego. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 10, 2010 @ 9:13 p.m.

Response to post #48: Yes, and I fear Obama is a tragic figure, in the sense that the electorate is holding him responsible for a mess he did not create. The debt time bomb really got rolling under Reagan, who preached against debt. Only Clinton tried to forestall the debt explosion. Obama has tried to deal with the 2007-forward crash, but this is an international calamity, and we have not seen the worst of it. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 10, 2010 @ 9:17 p.m.

Response to post #49: If unemployment remains in the 10% range, as I fear it will for some time, there should be some volunteers around. Those who are starving should be paid. Well-fixed retirees should not. Of course, the retirement age keeps pushing higher.... Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 10, 2010 @ 9:18 p.m.

Response to post #50: Great idea. But would he want the job? Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 10, 2010 @ 9:21 p.m.

Response to post #51: Yes, A2Z has an excellent idea for a tax rebate for volunteers. But all the tax cuts and rebates go to the richest 1% or 2% and the corporations. And the nation voted for people who want it that way. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 10, 2010 @ 9:23 p.m.

Response to post #52: For the good of the Beautiful People Party. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 10, 2010 @ 9:25 p.m.

Response to post #53: I don't get paid by the written word, if that's what you mean. Best, Don Bauder

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Founder Nov. 11, 2010 @ 7:40 a.m.

Reply #54 The longer we wait for BK, the more in debt we become, the more sell offs will affect SD's Quality of Life and the "old" Councilmembers will become Pensioners...

Now Jan G. is telling folks that SD going BK will probably cost the City MORE than just paying the Pensions!

How about that crapola, from someone who will be rewarded with a huge pension? All the folks that stand to benefit from pensions should recuse themselves; I can believe nobody is suggesting this!

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Don Bauder Nov. 11, 2010 @ 7:54 a.m.

Response to post #61: Goldsmith is full of his usual nonsense when he says how much the Orange County BK cost. Not true at all. Best, Don Bauder

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Twister Nov. 11, 2010 @ 12:27 p.m.

Re: 60

No, I meant that if the Reader pays on the basis of quality, do they measure it by the number of responses a piece receives and/or how long the discussion continues? Should readers minimize responses to lower your workload, or go ahead and spout off every time they get a (presumably) good notion?

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Don Bauder Nov. 11, 2010 @ 3:07 p.m.

Response to post #63: I don't think the number of responses or the length of the discussion influences pay at the Reader, but then I don't really know the criteria that do. I could see this as a scam: I could have my sisters and cousins and aunts take phony names and swamp my blog with posts. My pay would go up -- until I got caught and thrown in the hoosegow. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Nov. 11, 2010 @ 3:54 p.m.

I could have my sisters and cousins and aunts take phony names and swamp my blog with posts.

You mean use sock puppet accounts!!! Say it aint so.

They say a number of people on here use sock puppet accounts.

I use just one (at any given time-since I have changed names out of boredom in the past).

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Don Bauder Nov. 11, 2010 @ 9 p.m.

Response to post #65: You'll have to tell me what sock puppet accounts are. I think you or somebody else told me once before, but I have forgotten. Even if I am told again, don't expect me to understand it. Best, Don Bauder

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David Dodd Nov. 11, 2010 @ 9:37 p.m.

Re #66: You know what a sock puppet is - you take an old sock and put it on your hand and make a puppet out of it by drawing a face on it. A 'sock puppet account' is a different account made by a user with the intent of passing themselves off as someone else. In other words, one user with a dozen different email accounts could create 12 different users. The last 11 identities created would be sock-puppet accounts, usually meant for mischief.

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Don Bauder Nov. 12, 2010 @ 7:03 a.m.

Response to post #67: OK, got it. I don't know that it happens at the Reader, but I am not the one to ask. Best, Don Bauder

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Founder Nov. 13, 2010 @ 7:08 a.m.

Reply #67 "The last 11 identities created would be sock-puppet accounts, usually meant for mischief."

or to SPIN the conversation away from one point of view to another...

The person doing this might be a Phobogger* or a Phony Blogger, someone that is getting paid and or promoting Spin to disrupt a blog discussion.

*Urban Dictionary

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SurfPuppy619 Nov. 13, 2010 @ 9:43 a.m.

You guys nailed it-sock puppet accoutns are phoney accounts to bolster your position.

Also known as the "gimmick account"!

I use no sock puppet or gimmick accounts on here, but some do-according to Jay Allen.

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Twister Nov. 13, 2010 @ 8:48 p.m.

I am amazed at how erudite, hip, and "with it" everybody else is but me!

I don' unnerstan' nuttin' 'bout no "sock-puppets" nor any other Internet lingo. I never knew such things existed, but I'm getting to where I'm no longer surprised by anything.

That all these brilliant folks have the time and brains to post thousands of posts is a fleet feat. It's all I can do to check Bauder's blog and column once in a while, much less follow every intricacy.

But the thing that really blew my mind is the discovery that some folks apparently post to gd near ever f___ing blog on the Reader. These are real Supermen/women/trans/bi/whatever-rings-your-bell of the Brave New Internet World. I'm greatly impressed and significantly outranked. I should probably get my old quill pen out or maybe my rock chisel . . .

I look forward to more demonstrations of superiority, never mind the original subject. Yes, I am overwhelmed by debt and gratitude (bet you thought I didn't read the ads, eh?).

Displacement activity? Better to laugh than cry . . .

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a2zresource Nov. 14, 2010 @ 9:52 p.m.

RE #71:

Yes, some of us have become cybernetic organisms. The Borg have arrived, the new collective consciousness... naw, we're not that bad. It's just that Don Bauder has become something of a lightning rod of sorts, and the tone of civic conversation of late comes out in the SCAM DIEGO blog posts and comments. It seems to have attracted weirdos like me... I think if one looks at this empirically, Don's blog attracts a load of comments that have depth in the back-and-forth, and a lot of it consists of references to outside sources or previous posts. There's an institutional memory here of sorts, and it's building... It's kind of like a live running transcript of what could have been talk radio? [wowww... just had brain fart: what if these were read out loud and uploaded like Barbarella's "Happy Pill" video?]

Sockpuppets, or additional user accounts for the same person, are not necessarily a bad thing, especially at the Reader. For somebody capable of a little political satire in a Swiftian kind of way, or maybe a lot, it can be a darn good thing and funny as well, funny as hell. Not that I've tried being a puppet master here myself... but I can appreciate things that make me watch my dentures fly across the room from explosive laughter. It hurts, but in a good way.

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Don Bauder Nov. 15, 2010 @ 12:45 p.m.

Response to post #69: How about a faux blogger? Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 15, 2010 @ 12:47 p.m.

Response to post #70: If we have any, I wouldn't be informed. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 15, 2010 @ 12:50 p.m.

Response to post #71: Feel not sorry for thyself. Most people, most cities, most states, most governments, most financial institutions, many corporations around the world are overwhelmed with excessive debt. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Nov. 15, 2010 @ 12:54 p.m.

Response to post #72: I don't think radio talk shows would be interested in the kind of material that shows up on this blog. Look at how the radio industry is concentrated. Best, Don Bauder

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nan shartel Nov. 15, 2010 @ 1:51 p.m.

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wow ...i thought they were just peeps with DID..(MPD) ;-D

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