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San Diego-based Tony Robbins, one of the world's best-known motivational speakers, considers himself an expert in "life coaching." He tells people to "unleash the power within." Historically, he has been relentlessly upbeat. He has counseled the likes of Margaret Thatcher, Mother Teresa, and Bill Clinton. At his presentations, he walks on hot coals. Many think he walks on water. But according to "theeconomiccollapseblog.com," Robbins is now warning of economic woes ahead. The website features videos of Robbins predicting a major retracement of financial markets and coming pain. The good news: Robbins may be a charismatic performer but he is not known as a great scholar.

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Founder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 8:57 a.m.

There is now Big money in helping folks better position themselves for the tough times ahead, what could be better than investing in your "Self":

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MsGrant Aug. 26, 2010 @ 9:25 a.m.

Mister Master of the Obvious. He is now going to reap a fortune telling the people whose pockets he cleaned out when everyone was flying high that their future's not so bright, but he's feeling their pain. And the sad thing is they will pay to hear it.

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Founder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 10:07 a.m.

BTW: Has anybody else noticed Tony's new "Middle Eastern" look?

It no longer "pays" to stand out in a crowd, unless it's a "Rich" crowd...

It must be nice to get paid well for telling others how to be Human...

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 10:29 a.m.

Response to post #1: I have grown accustomed to being impecunious because of my long-time nickname of "Mr. Gloom." You mean to tell me I can make money being a skeptic? In the past, I have only lost money. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 10:31 a.m.

Response to post #2: But he will never tell them he is feeling pain when he walks across those burning coals. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 10:34 a.m.

Response to post #3: I used to write snotty columns and items about Robbins back when I was with the U-T, but to be honest, I had almost forgotten about him in my 7.5 years with the Reader. So I don't know a thing about the Middle Eastern look. Best, Don Bauder

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clivingston Aug. 26, 2010 @ 10:36 a.m.

So what's the problem? Obviously Tony is a very well educated man and he is running a business when the times change your business needs to change or you fail. And we all know Tony is not about failure but opportunity and he found an opportunity to take his business to the next level. I am sure the material that he teaches in this new venture will help just as many people as he did with the other stuff he taught. The guy is a genius and a great business man, you can't argue with that.

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 10:52 a.m.

Response to post #7: Great businessman? Can't argue with that. He has made a bundle of money, although I have problems with all these motivational speakers. Genius? Sorry. He is no Mozart. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 26, 2010 @ 11:49 a.m.

Obviously Tony is a very well educated man and he is running a business when the times change your business needs to change or you fail.

Tony Robbins is a FRAUDSTER (did I spell that right??), who peddles "self help/motivational" snake oil to the ignorant.

BTW-if you ever see Learch in person he is like 7 feet tall. And does anyone know if he still owns that home in Del Mar "the Castle"- sitting up top off of Crest????

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 11:51 a.m.

Response to post #9: I have never been to one of his seminars and if I had, I would NOT have walked over a bed of hot coals. Some people can be hypnotized. I can't be. I'm too skeptical. I'm afraid that is how I would react to Robbins's shtick. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 11:54 a.m.

Response to post #10: My opinion of Robbins is closer to yours than to clivingston's, although, as I said, I have never been to one of his live seminars. In re Lerach: I didn't know he was tall. He lives in one of the most expensive homes in San Diego County. I think it's in La Jolla, not Del Mar. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 12:05 p.m.

NOTE: I want to amend the statement I made about Robbins in post #8. I mistakenly agreed with the writer that he was a "great" businessman. Yes, he has attracted a lot of people to his seminars, and, yes, he has raked in a lot of money through the years, although he has something like 5 companies and I don't know if they are all successful. But I have left the impression that if an executive brings home a bundle of money he is "great." That is not true at all and it contradicts all I have been saying about wealth and income inequality in the U.S. I would say that generally speaking, the executives raking in the most money are the reverse of great. Read my post below with the head, "Rolls Out, Rolls Out...." It's about City of San Diego bureaucrats who enjoy retirements of $8,000 to $14,000 a month despite their very obvious incompetence at their tasks. Are they "great?" Of course not. They are taking home taxpayer money that they don't deserve. That hardly makes them great. Best, Don Bauder

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MsGrant Aug. 26, 2010 @ 12:18 p.m.

Don, SP meant "Lurch" from the Adams Family!! There is a remarkable resemblance between Lurch and Tony Robbins. I've always found that there are two distinct camps - those with the "EST" mindset, and the rest of us.

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 1:21 p.m.

Response to post #14: I've never seen the Addams Family although I used to love Addams's cartoons in the New Yorker. I have never heard of Lurch. Why did he say Lerach? Freudian slip? Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 1:24 p.m.

Response to post #15: I wouldn't have a rush of adrenaline if somebody wanted me to walk on hot coals. I would rush for the door. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 26, 2010 @ 1:35 p.m.

Don, SP meant "Lurch" from the Adams Family!!

Lurch-I had no idea how to spell it, but yes, that is who I was referencing Robbins to, Lurch, the 7 ft monster (but lovable monster) from "The Adams Family" TV series of the 60's.

BTW-6'7 or 7', when you're that tall it is all the same to the average American males who is 5'9..............

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 26, 2010 @ 1:46 p.m.

BTW, I had a co worker back in the mid 90's who was a Tony Robbins butt kisser and worshipped the guy.

My buddy was at the top of the Robbisn motivational scam food chain-the one where they have a week long pow wow in Hawaii (that may be where they do the coal walking skit), and that seminar was tens of thousands of dollars to attend, and this was 17 years ago.

How those sheep threw away their money to a snake oil salesman shows how even the smart and intelligent can be conned.

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Radical Uterus Aug. 26, 2010 @ 2:59 p.m.

"There is a sucker born every minute."

David Hannum not P.T. Barnum

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paul Aug. 26, 2010 @ 3:22 p.m.

Walking across hot coals is nothing but a gimmick. It doesn't matter whether you believe or not, wood (even on fire) is still a poor conductor of heat. If the fire is low and you walk quickly, you won't get burned.

You are born with a natural fear of fire, but you also had a natural fear of staying away from the hot oven when you were a little kid. As an adult I'll bet nobody here would think twice about sticking their hand in a 500 degree oven to pull out a pan, because we know from experience that air is also a lousy conductor of heat. I'll bet you will use a proper hotpad though, because metal is a very good conductor of heat, which most people have learned firsthand at some point in their lives.

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 3:28 p.m.

Response to post #18: I wouldn't have the courage to try. I'm not a risk taker. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 3:30 p.m.

Response to post #19: But there is a big difference between 6-7 and 7-0 in the National Basketball Association. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 3:32 p.m.

Response to post #20: I would say that both Margaret Thatcher and Bill Clinton are smart. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 3:33 p.m.

Response to post #21: I'll take your word for it. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 3:36 p.m.

Response to post #22: But suppose a coal gets caught between your toes, thus slowing you down, and exposing you to a burn. Best, Don Bauder

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paul Aug. 26, 2010 @ 3:43 p.m.

Response to #7, clivingston said: "So what's the problem? Obviously Tony is a very well educated man"

That depends on your definition of "educated", I guess. Robbins has a high school education. He learned his "craft" by working for a motivational speaker for 4 years after highschool, Jim Rohn.

Rohn claims to have gone to college for 1-1/2 years before dropping out. Rohn in turn learned motivation speaking from John Earl Shoaff.

Shoaff was a ninth grade dropout. He created a famous vinyl 33 from one of his talks titled "How To Become a Millionaire" in 1962.

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David Dodd Aug. 26, 2010 @ 3:46 p.m.

@ #22: I've heard first-hand by people who have walked on hot coals that it's a mind-over-matter thing, validates your comment quite a bit. The trick, they say, is to walk normally and don't look down and don't think about it.

@ #25: "I would say that both Margaret Thatcher and Bill Clinton are smart."

Perhaps. Some say that neither had a conscience, maybe that left more room for a higher I.Q.

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paul Aug. 26, 2010 @ 4:05 p.m.

Response to #30: "so have you done it, Paul"

Yes, it was no big deal. Dying embers in a bed of sand at the beach. Always in the dark to make the glow more impressive. Not especially long, about 6 feet which took all of three or four steps to get through.

I assume that Tony Robbins would have it down to a science exactly what kind of wood to use and how to prep the fire to maximize the visual effect while minimizing the risk to his high paying guests.

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paul Aug. 26, 2010 @ 4:31 p.m.

Response to #19: "BTW-6'7 or 7', when you're that tall it is all the same to the average American males who is 5'9"

Trust me, there is a huge difference. I can pretend to guard a 6'7" forward in basketball, but 7' is a whole different world. Of course I am a bit north of "average".

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 26, 2010 @ 5:40 p.m.

so you're only 5'9", surpuppy?!?!?

Only when standing on all 4 paws.

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MsGrant Aug. 26, 2010 @ 5:55 p.m.

I would burn my feet. Like Don, I cannot be hypnotized, and prefer to keep it that way. Charismatic types like Mr. Robbins will always be able to charm people out of their money. Women want him, men want to be him.

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 9:25 p.m.

Response to post #28: 'Fess up, SP. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 9:28 p.m.

Response to post #29: I don't know if your facts are correct, but my experience with motivational speakers would suggest they might be. I have never been impressed with their cerebral capacities. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 9:30 p.m.

Response to posts #s 30-33: Walking on water is the real test. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 26, 2010 @ 9:33 p.m.

Response to posts #s 34-36: If he's 6-7, he has big feet. Does that make a difference? Best, Don Bauder

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Fred Williams Aug. 26, 2010 @ 11:46 p.m.

Re: Firewalking

Paul is right. It's not faith. It's not motivation. It's not hypnotism.

It's physics.

For tall talking charlatans to sell this as some sort of mystical event is lucrative, but not admirable.

For Robbins to now come out as a gloom and doomer is laughable. OR is it just more entertainment in the guise of self-help?

Bah!

I'd rather listen to gloomy, but truth telling, realists like Don Bauder. He's not trying to sell me hot coal walks or breezy motivational nostrums.

Best,

Fred

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Ponzi Aug. 27, 2010 @ 7:07 a.m.

Re: Post #7

“Obviously Tony is a very well educated man…” By clivingston


Please furnish evidence of any formal education beyond high school.

If you go to his Wikipedia page and search for the words “education” or “college” you will locate neither.

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Don Bauder Aug. 27, 2010 @ 7:29 a.m.

Response to post #41: "Tall talking charlatans" -- good line. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 27, 2010 @ 7:31 a.m.

Response to post #42: One of our posters says his educational attainments are pretty slim. Best, Don Bauder

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regthorston Aug. 27, 2010 @ 8:28 a.m.

mmm, sounds like a lot of overworked, underpaid old-men with castle envy, of yeah, just like me.

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MsGrant Aug. 27, 2010 @ 8:46 a.m.

40 - Big feet, big hands? Big shoes, big gloves.

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Don Bauder Aug. 27, 2010 @ 9:35 a.m.

Response to posts #46-48: Underpaid and overworked. Yes, I am sure that plenty fit the description on this site. Best, Don Bauder

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Founder Aug. 27, 2010 @ 10 a.m.

Reply#48 MSG Don't forget that, "used car salesman" SMILE... that says, "I've got just what you are looking for"...

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Founder Aug. 27, 2010 @ 10:02 a.m.

Not "Underpaid and overworked" as compared to City employees.

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Don Bauder Aug. 27, 2010 @ 12:28 p.m.

Response to post #50: Politicians use that line, too. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 27, 2010 @ 12:29 p.m.

Response to post #51: City of San Diego employees can hardly say they are underpaid and overworked. Best, Don Bauder

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jerome Aug. 27, 2010 @ 5:09 p.m.

yep i was friends of a now ex employee on tony robbins working here; then big shift she was left in the dust robbins is turning into a gruber its now $$$ and the hot coals stuff that went out in the 70's he has lost my respect as a body mind spirit life coach he has become a fool who will soon part you of your money. ya can fool other people but the result is ya fool only yourself oh yes one more thing don bauder yu mah #1 news dood where did ya find impecunious > i am too lazy ta look it up... regards

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Don Bauder Aug. 27, 2010 @ 9:41 p.m.

Response to post #54: "Impecunious" means habitually without money, or chronically poor. As I recall, I used it in reference to myself in a self-effacing but teasing way. I am not poor. Maybe I'm a poor writer and poor thinker, but I do have enough money to pay the electricity bill. Best, Don Bauder

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Fred Williams Aug. 27, 2010 @ 10:57 p.m.

Don, you may be a bald-talking inpecunious sans culottes, yet compared to the charmingly overpaid and underworked charlatans selling pseudo-spiritual seminars and duplicitous derivatives through synthetic sincerity and pathetic plastic prettiness, you are the epitome of pulchritude.

(Yup...I kin right them there english real good, huh?)

Don, the next question is, where do we sans culottes brandish our pikes?

After the world's transformational festival of fecal financing, no one seems to have been forced to eat the inevitable cloacal output except...us!

Instead of performing basic civic administration, the San Diego "leadership" borrowed irresponsibly from the pension fund and the bond markets to squander the money on stadiums, ballparks, and political conventions. Yet those same buggering 'tards have been elected to higher office, appointed to prestigious posts, or retired in luxury.

Can we name names?

Susan Golding Jack McGrory Casey Gwinn Byron Wear Jim Madaffer Harry Mathis Barbara Warden Toni Atkins Ron Saathof

...those are just off the top of my head. None of them have experienced any negative consequences from their duplicitous dealings with the public purse. While most San Diegans face an inevitable decline in what they can expect in the future, the ass-clowns named above (and there are many more to add to the list) continue to be esteemed members or minions of the tight little oligarchy running the show.

Ecclesiastes sums it up:

"The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned...."

Time and chance could shift further still, and serious social unrest is not out of the question for America's future. I somehow doubt the path Mr. Robbins promotes will lead anywhere. Reading some history...perhaps about the prelude to the French Revolution or the pivotal events leading to the revolutions of 1848, suggests things could get quite bad.

And most likely the fools who drove us here will get away with it...completely. There is no justice in America today, yet another symbol and symptom of its tragic decline.

O tempora o mores!

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Don Bauder Aug. 28, 2010 @ 7:49 a.m.

Response to post #56: Fred, had I known the word "cloacal," I would have used it for years. You sent me to the dictionary. I don't know how I have missed that one in the 57 years I have been writing for the public (that includes high school and college). Your point is extremely well taken. San Diegans should go through that list and note how much these retirees are getting paid, and count the public employees that get more than they get in their retirements. Then the picture becomes clear. Storm the Bastille, as you suggest? Figuratively, yes. I would also suggest that people go to proxy statements of the companies whose stocks they own, and see how much the top executives are reeling in. The wealth and income distribution is not only horribly skewed, it is ugly, and it is anti-social. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 28, 2010 @ 10:36 a.m.

Can we name names?

Susan Golding Jack McGrory Casey Gwinn Byron Wear Jim Madaffer Harry Mathis Barbara Warden Toni Atkins Ron Saathof ===================== You left off Jack McDorky's side kick Ed Ryan.

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Don Bauder Aug. 28, 2010 @ 3:51 p.m.

Response to post #58: Yes, Ed Ryan was auditor. Why didn't he blow the whistle on the false information that was going into bond documents? He resigned while Murphy was still mayor and wasn't a defendant in the criminal suits. Best, Don Bauder

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Founder Aug. 28, 2010 @ 8:13 p.m.

Reply #56 WOW, a breath of fresh air!

Can we name names?

How about we go back yet another City Council cycle?

Anybody remember our now State Senator Christine Kehoe?

Perhaps we need to formulate and post a listing; of those that served themselves, more than US...

and

also list what they are STILL making for doing what they did; while getting even more, in their current Quest for "helping US"...

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Don Bauder Aug. 28, 2010 @ 9:50 p.m.

Response to post #60: Go down the list. You'll find all kinds of fascinating names. You can click on it on the next blog down with the headline "Rolls Out, Rolls Out....etc." Best, Don Bauder

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sdsocialdiary Aug. 29, 2010 @ 6:34 a.m.

Tony Robbins is tall (from my vantage)... In the 90's, he was also quite good at talking people I know into selling their home...they had no plans to sell it...they said he was just that good... he made a big, big offer for the time of $4.2 million... Lerach does live in La Jolla, same neighborhood... I believe his wife owns the cupcake place on Girard which is quite popular....

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Don Bauder Aug. 29, 2010 @ 7:02 a.m.

Response to post #62: Margo, I don't remember Robbins being involved in real estate. I did cover him a bit back in the 1990s, but some of my memories are hazy. I am hardly surprised that he was a persuasive talker. That's what motivational speakers are all about. Yes, Lerach's home, one of the county's most expensive, is in La Jolla. He once lived in Rancho Santa Fe. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 29, 2010 @ 9:34 a.m.

Yes, Lerach's home, one of the county's most expensive, is in La Jolla. He once lived in Rancho Santa Fe.

Yes, the RSF home is the one where Bill got into a beef with a company that fabricated a giant custom fish tank that Bill said leaked, and ended up in a massive lawsuit-and lost.

Milberg spent like $1 million litigating it. But like I said-insurance companeis will out spend you $100 to $1 if they think they are right-does not matter how much they may potentially lose- and this case Lerach lost.

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Don Bauder Aug. 29, 2010 @ 9:42 a.m.

Response to post #64: I didn't know that story. I doubt that the firm, Milberg Weiss, spent $1 million on that suit; that would be Lerach's bill. Best, Don Bauder

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valueinvestingisdead Aug. 29, 2010 @ 2:51 p.m.

With Tony's connections, this is amazingly scary to me. Whatever you think of him, he is in touch with the power people in this Country and if he sees economic gloom ahead, then we should atleast listen. The derivative bubble is the thing that could really collapse us all and I think most people don't understand how bad this thing is! I think most people can even sense a large Depression coming and thus, the reason spending has stopped. We should have never ever let our greedy CEOs take jobs to China and India so they can make $100 million versus $3 million. We now as a Country have to come down to the wages of these horrific third world countries and the middle class is getting cremated. Look around. How many jobs as you drive down the street pay more than $10/hour. It is really a joke. Wages are nowhere near where they need to be to keep up with the cost of living. That is if you even have a job!

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sdsocialdiary Aug. 29, 2010 @ 3:21 p.m.

Don... Tony is not in the real estate biz that I know of... he wanted this one home, and he talked the owners into selling it...they said he was amazingly persuasive.... and yes he got them to walk on coals too!

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Don Bauder Aug. 29, 2010 @ 9:11 p.m.

Response to post #66: Yes, it was a mistake -- for American society -- to let all those jobs be shipped overseas beginning with Reagan's presidency. Unfortunately, companies do not think it was a mistake: it permitted top executive salaries to shoot to ridiculous heights. It pleased Wall Street. That's all that corporations consider important. They still don't get it. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 29, 2010 @ 9:13 p.m.

Response to post #67: Does he still live there? He has had domestic problems. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 30, 2010 @ 6:47 a.m.

With Tony's connections, this is amazingly scary to me. Whatever you think of him, he is in touch with the power people in this Country and if he sees economic gloom ahead, then we should atleast listen...................

How many jobs as you drive down the street pay more than $10/hour. It is really a joke.

I would never listen to a word Tony Robbins said. He is a snake oil salesman, and that is all I need to know.

But you're 100% correct on the jobs situation, except I bet most pay less than $10 an hour-minimum wage, $8/hour, $9/hour.

The ONLY jobs paying more than $8-$9 an hour, a decent wage, are gov jobs, but that is simply not going to last much longer.

Gov's/muni's have been kicking the can down the road with borrowing and gimmicks since 2008, hoping the economy picks up. It has not-and isn't going to- and the can kicking will end soon with massive gov payroll and benefit cuts, b/c there is no more road to kick the can down.

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 30, 2010 @ 6:48 a.m.

Tony is not in the real estate biz that I know of... he wanted this one home, and he talked the owners into selling it... By sdsocialdiary ========================

Was this the Castle home on Crest in Del Mar??

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Don Bauder Aug. 30, 2010 @ 12:27 p.m.

Response to post #70: The politicians are not only kicking the can down the road, they are kicking taxpayers in the can. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 30, 2010 @ 12:29 p.m.

Response to post #71: Margo will have to answer that one. Best, Don Bauder

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valueinvestingisdead Aug. 30, 2010 @ 2:02 p.m.

Reply to #70 True on the govey jobs...bye bye. There are going to be massive cuts. TR is a snake oil salesman but he snaked his way to alot of the power people in this Country so he should know what is going on. He is a colorful speaker, nonetheless.

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Don Bauder Aug. 30, 2010 @ 2:35 p.m.

Response to post #74: I think Margo is going to have to answer this one. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Aug. 30, 2010 @ 2:42 p.m.

Response to post #75: "TR" stands for Teddy Roosevelt. His name lives in the annals of government philosophy and statesmanship. Tony Robbins's name won't. Best, Don Bauder

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