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The gossip mills are saying this afternoon (Dec. 16) that Tiger Woods's wife, Elin Nordegren, has been conspicuously flashing to paparazzi that she is not wearing a wedding ring. The New York Post's scandal mongers report, "She's making plans to move out and take the kids with her." Woods, the world's greatest golfer (named today by the Associated Press as Athlete of the Decade), has said that he was indefinitely dropping out of competitive golf to patch up his marriage, following publication of lurid details of his private affairs with ladies of the evening. But if the wife and kids are gone, and there is no hope to light the love fires again, will Tiger hasten his return to the links? If so, it's possible that he will play in the Jan. 25-31 San Diego Open at Torrey Pines, where he has been a frequent winner. Officials have not been expecting him, and lamenting a possible attendance falloff of 25%, typical of a tourney without Tiger. (He wasn't there last year because of injury.) But suppose he shows up at the nationally televised event? A huge crowd would come and TV ratings would soar. Finally, San Diego sports boosters who claim that pro events bring great money and attention to the area might have something factual to back up their claims.

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Visduh Dec. 16, 2009 @ 4:27 p.m.

If Tiger has no shame at all, he COULD do most anything, including heading back on the circuit and playing at Torrey Pines. With golf in an overall secular decline, isn't it ironic that the pro tour staked its well-being on him? Oh, he looked SOOO good, but now everyone knows better. This whole thing could bode ill for all our local golf gear makers and sellers. Who'd a thunk it?

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 16, 2009 @ 5:36 p.m.

has said that he was indefinitely dropping out of competitive golf to patch up his marriage, following publication of lurid details of his private affairs with ladies of the evening.

To be fair, the term "ladies of the evening" implies hookers, and his hook ups were certainly not hookers. Just everyday women, including one from Escondido.

His image has been damaged , and will never be at the level it was before this broke.....and the reason is he did not make one or even two "transgressions", he had hooked up with over 10. I cannot figure out why men/women like this get married-if he wanted to play the field, more power to him, but you do NOT get married and do that behind your spouses back.

If his wife has any dignity or self respect at all she would say see ya later, and not look back.

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2009 @ 6:13 p.m.

  1. It's certainly bad for tournament sponsors and horrible for TV ratings. And I would think local equipment and apparel manufacturers would feel the pinch a bit, too. Best, Don Bauder
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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2009 @ 6:16 p.m.

Response to post #2: From what I hear, Tiger did find at least some pleasure in the lay for pay leagues. Did he hook up with "ordinary women?" Well, the Las Vegas lasses that I have heard explain their evenings didn't strike me as Jane Does. Best, Don Bauder

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paul Dec. 16, 2009 @ 6:18 p.m.

"his hook ups were certainly not hookers."

At least a couple were porn stars and several others were semi-pro at least. Besides, so far I have only heard of 1 Brit and the rest are American. Woods travels internationally quite a lot. What do you suppose happens when he goes by himself to play in Thailand or Dubai? You don't think the tour sponsors take good care of him?

I haven't heard any evidence of this, but it is rather hard to imagine that he has that little control in America, but becomes a perfect gentleman when he travels without his wife abroad.

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Visduh Dec. 16, 2009 @ 8:40 p.m.

"If his wife has any dignity or self respect at all she would say see ya later and not look back." Surfpuppy, I agree wholeheartedly. But nobody seems to be ready to draw parallels, and there are many, with Monicagate, and the lack of self-respect displayed by "Hil". She got elected to the Senate, and now is Secretary of State, just 'cause she wanted to be. I fail to see any difference between the infidelities in either marriage. Or am I just being a Republican?

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CuddleFish Dec. 16, 2009 @ 9:22 p.m.

The problem isn't just his infidelities, if the reports that continue to come out are correct. Shocking, if true. And if true, will have an effect on his golf game.

Tragic, there is no other way to describe this.

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thestoryteller Dec. 16, 2009 @ 9:54 p.m.

Sexual addiction is compulsive. The addict just can't quite thinking about sex, like other addicts can't stop thinking about drugs. They can't control their behavior despite the risks. They tend to be lonely, guilty and angry; and, may have had a childhood marked by little control and blurred boundaries or abuse.

If Elin is smart, she'll get out now! Tiger has put her and her children at risk for AIDS and she can never trust him again. She deserves to be able to live in Sweden with the kids, since Tiger has made a fool of her here.

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David Dodd Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:03 p.m.

"But nobody seems to be ready to draw parallels, and there are many, with Monicagate, and the lack of self-respect displayed by "Hil". She got elected to the Senate, and now is Secretary of State, just 'cause she wanted to be. I fail to see any difference between the infidelities in either marriage. Or am I just being a Republican?"

There are no differences between the infidelities, but big differences in the repercussions from a split. With the Clintons, they are a political power machine. Divorce was out of the question. They needed each other in order to ensure the survival of their power structure. With Tiger Woods, he needed her a lot more than she needed him, image wise. She left, and that marriage is over. I feel really bad for the kids.

And Don, there will be no Tiger Woods at Torrey Pines this year. Unlike in previous years, there are no large sponsors for the event, only a hand full of small ones. The damage of not having Tiger in the tournament will be minimal compared to what it would have been had Torrey Pines been able to secure a large sponsor.

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:06 p.m.

Response to post #5: Maybe I should not have used "ladies of the evening" until more evidence surfaces. It seems to me, however, I heard about some money changing hands in these adventures. Certainly, the ladies who have come forward -- particularly those from Vegas -- have not had that beatific look of the Blessed Virgin that one sees in Renaissance art. Best, Don Bauder

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Burwell Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:08 p.m.

Maybe I should not have used "ladies of the evening" until more evidence surfaces. It seems to me, however, I heard about some money changing hands in these adventures.

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Eldrick Woods has been tied to a convicted madam in New York who ran a prostitution ring.

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:09 p.m.

Response to post #6: I have a close friend, one of the nation's better investigative reporters, who went down to Arkansas and looked into Clinton's alliances even before he ran for president. If what she says is true -- and I have never seen her wrong -- Tiger has a way to go to catch up with Bill's record long before he ever met Monica. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:09 p.m.

his hook ups were certainly not hookers."

At least a couple were porn stars and several others were semi-pro at least

He had a 1 night stand with a porn star-not a hooker (although the line is a bit blurred)- at his Bachelor party. That is the only one I have heard of that even comes close to being a hooker.

The rest were cocktail waitresses, hostess, things like that...the rest were your everyday women.

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:12 p.m.

Response to post #7: Trouble is, the best way for a budding bedroom star to get publicity is to claim she slept with Tiger. At some point, we have to separate the real hookups and the fictional ones. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:13 p.m.

. She left, and that marriage is over. I feel really bad for the kids.

Not me. I know what it is like to be a child living in a household where there is no respect, intolerance and down right nasty behaviour. It is BETTER for the kids to not be around a parent that is so selfish (Tiger).

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:14 p.m.

Response to post #8: Once in awhile I read about confessional seminars among sex addicts. It would be interesting to know the cure rate of sex addiction versus the cure rate of drug and alcohol addiction. Eventually, I suppose, age will thwart sex addiction. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:17 p.m.

Response to post #9: I do believe it is a long shot that Tiger will play at Torrey Pines in January. But if the wife departs, there are plenty of San Diego lasses to satisfy his urges. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:18 p.m.

Response to post #11: Ah, the evidence is coming out already. Maybe I will have to retract my semi-mea culpa. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:20 p.m.

Response to post #13: Your statement has already been contradicted by others. Let's hear more. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:22 p.m.

Response to post #15: Maybe so, but you can still feel sorry for those kids. Best, Don Bauder

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Burwell Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:22 p.m.

Most women are for sale, it's just a matter of finding their price. I think many second and third tier female agents in the real estate industry would put out to obtain a real estate listing in Rancho Santa Fe or La Jolla. Many female college students at UCSD and SDSU date older men in exchange for financial assistance.

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Josh Board Dec. 16, 2009 @ 10:37 p.m.

Ya know what I haven't heard anyone say? Tiger was well known for yelling at people that dog when he tees off. Or people that snap photos at the "wrong" time. What the heck is he going to do when people start heckling him? Or holding up signs? I think this whole scandal will get so into his head, he might not even be able to play miniature golf anymore without freaking out.

And...I don't buy the sex addiction thing. A lot of celebrities like to play that card, to keep their wives (Michael Douglas claimed this with his first wife...but marrying Cathy Zeta Jones...well, that would be like an alcoholic marrying a bartender, no?)

If Tiger Woods was a "sex addict"...and being as rich and famous as he was, wouldn't we be hearing about hundreds of women right now, instead of just the 10 or 12 we are?

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David Dodd Dec. 16, 2009 @ 11:03 p.m.

Yeah, I'm very disappointed in Tiger, myself. Last I heard it was what, fifteen? How embarrassing. I think that people expected better out of him. I can't remember Tiger not going eighteen.

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Burwell Dec. 16, 2009 @ 11:31 p.m.

Yeah, I'm very disappointed in Tiger, myself. Last I heard it was what, fifteen? How embarrassing.

Fifteen is not enough to establish for Tiger a reputation as an Olympic Class Swordsman.

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2009 @ 7:36 a.m.

Response to post #21 I don't know if what you say is true. (My generation is a little dense on such things.) But I do think this is a good subject for discussion. I would like to hear from more women and me on the topic. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2009 @ 7:40 a.m.

Response to post #22: Tiger sued in the U.K. to make sure some photos that may or may not have been "shot at the wrong time" were made public. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2009 @ 7:43 a.m.

Response to post #23: A good golfer should be able to do 36 holes a day. It takes endurance. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2009 @ 7:47 a.m.

Response to post #24: Fifteen is unimpressive? It depends on the time frame. And how many other adventures have gone unreported, minus those that didn't happen. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 17, 2009 @ 8:42 a.m.

Well it is OFFICIAL- it seems Elin Woods (Tigers wife) will be filing for divorce (good for here!!);

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/16/tiger-woods-divorce-wife_n_393772.html

UPDATE II: ABC News quotes a source who says the "divorce is 100 percent on."

UPDATE: People is also now reporting that Woods' wife is planning to leave him. A source says, "She's made up her mind. There's nothing to think about: he's never going to change."

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Visduh Dec. 17, 2009 @ 9:31 a.m.

I beg to differ, but everyday women don't manage hookups with multimillionaire media sports stars. They simply don't have the opportunity, unless they're out cruising the bars and other hangouts that might attract the stars. And my definition of "everyday women" is not those who cruise bars habitually.

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Duhbya Dec. 17, 2009 @ 11:48 a.m.

How do Santa and Tiger differ? Santa has only 3 ho's.

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2009 @ 11:55 a.m.

Response to post #29: "He's never going to change." Well, his financial fortunes are changing already, although he is not headed to the poor house. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2009 @ 11:57 a.m.

Response to post #30: I suppose it depends what you mean by "everyday woman." Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2009 @ 11:59 a.m.

Response to post #31: Also, Santa does his thing on snowy rooftops. On the other hand.... Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 17, 2009 @ 12:38 p.m.

I beg to differ, but everyday women don't manage hookups with multimillionaire media sports stars. They simply don't have the opportunity, unless they're out cruising the bars and other hangouts that might attract the stars.

V-this is EXACTLY where Tiger met his hooks ups-at clibs-they were usually a cocktail waitress, or hostess, or something similar, but they are pretty much everyday women-with the exception of the porn star who he met at HIS own bachelor party..........

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paul Dec. 17, 2009 @ 2:16 p.m.

SP said: "they were usually a cocktail waitress, or hostess, or something similar, but they are pretty much everyday women-with the exception of the porn star who he met at HIS own bachelor party"

It's 2 porn stars SP, not one, and they were both supposedly used multiple times and were set up through a madam. Another woman was a lingerie model, another was a playboy playmate and escort who were also set up by the madam. Another woman is described as a "nightclub frequenter" who was often flown to tournaments for him. Those titles are typically euphemisms.

Two of the women on the tiger list are said to have been primarily responsible for setting him up with women. One of them they now say he may not have had sex with while the other (the original woman, Uchitel) became involved with him.

I'm not sure why you want to believe that the only "professional" he bedded was a bachelor party indiscretion, but that does not appear to be the case. "Every-day women" is decidedly NOT what most of these women were.

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2009 @ 2:29 p.m.

Response to post #35: All the results aren't in yet. As one great sports star, Yogi Berra, said, " It ain't over 'til it's over." Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 17, 2009 @ 2:32 p.m.

Response to post #36: SP, Paul has challenged you. He says those everyday women might have been involved in some indiscreet activity every day -- or perhaps more frequently. Defend theyself, SP! Best, Don Bauder

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Burwell Dec. 17, 2009 @ 10:47 p.m.

News reports claim Tiger sends wire transfers to various women in amounts of $10,000 or more per month. It looks damned ugly to me. I see the specter of several potential felonies stalking Tiger.

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paul Dec. 18, 2009 @ 12:46 a.m.

Speaking of felonies, lets see now if the next shoe drops. I am waiting to hear more about his doctor who is being investigated by both the Canadians and our federal government. The doctors assistant was arrested smuggling drugs across the Canadian border.

The doctor is big into HGH (among other things), and treated Woods last year while he was away from golf with an injury.

Woods may have broken his sacred wedding vows a bazillion times, but he would NEVER cheat at golf and use banned substances, right?

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CuddleFish Dec. 18, 2009 @ 5:41 a.m.

You're getting into the subject of the reports I had mentioned earlier. As I said, if these other reports are to be believed, then the matter of infidelities is almost small potatoes. Not just PEDs, but the other substances and what he was doing while he was on them ...

I mentioned in another thread that this may all be acting out, due to grief after his father passed. I hope he can salvage his life and his talent after all is said and done.

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 7:27 a.m.

Response to post #39: If he was sending these $10,000 wire transfers to his lady friends, it's difficult to say they were "everyday women." Sounds like there were some quid prop quos. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 7:30 a.m.

Response to post #40: The doctor angle seems to be the big story now. Tiger may be completely innocent on the HGH rumors. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 7:33 a.m.

Response to post #41: The people who have been handling Tiger's PR and legal approach should retire. They're incompetent, if not corrupt. Best, Don Bauder

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Duhbya Dec. 18, 2009 @ 7:42 a.m.

RE #42: " Sounds like there were some quid prop quos." Or at the very least, some "Quick, drop dros!". (as in drawers) Please accept my sincere apology.

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paul Dec. 18, 2009 @ 7:43 a.m.

CF said: "this may all be acting out, due to grief after his father passed"

It may be that, but it also may be simply following the role model of his father.

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 18, 2009 @ 8:02 a.m.

It's 2 porn stars SP, not one, and they were both supposedly used multiple times and were set up through a madam. Another woman was a lingerie model, another was a playboy playmate and escort who were also set up by the madam. Another woman is described as a "nightclub frequenter" who was often flown to tournaments for him. Those titles are typically euphemisms.

OK, the madam nonsense, nothing was set uop through her-that is a flase statement. Please post a link to anything that is legit that says that.

Playboy plamate-...there are 12 of them every year-they are NOT hookers by becoming a Playboy Playmate.

"nightclub frequenter" who was often flown to tournaments for him- .....once again, flying someone around does not make for a hooker label. Rachel Ucatel (SP??) was the one (I am sure there were others though) that has been verified to have been flown to a golf competition overseas-but once again-that does not a hooker make. In fact "The View" made a hooker comment over this very issue and they had to give an ON THE AIR retraction/apology b/c Gloria Allred threatened to sue!

Look, you can make the claim that any trophy wife or mistress is a hooker for accepting gifts/fancy lifestyle and money from their wealthy/rich man, but that is not MY definition of a hooker.

Let me ask yo this-would you call Anna Nicole Smith a hooker? Woudl you call Hugh Hefners "girlfriends" hookers?? That is what this argument really comes down to.

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 18, 2009 @ 8:03 a.m.

CF said: "this may all be acting out, due to grief after his father passed"

It may be that, but it also may be simply following the role model of his father.

Or it may be that Tiger is just a dirtbag that has no respect for his spouse.

I'm sorry, but if you want to play the field-no problem, just don't do it when you're married.

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 18, 2009 @ 8:06 a.m.

I'm not sure why you want to believe that the only "professional" he bedded was a bachelor party indiscretion, but that does not appear to be the case. "Every-day women" is decidedly NOT what most of these women were.

I disagree, IMO MOST of them were.

I am obviously not speaking of the porn star.

They only shed the "every-day women" label once they hooked up with Tiger-since that by its very nature would not be an everyday occurance.

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 18, 2009 @ 8:10 a.m.

It's 2 porn stars SP, not one, and they were both supposedly used multiple times

The porn star that is on the video from a few years back, from the bachelor party, posted before this story broke, only hooked (sorry, couldn't resist that one) up with Tiger ONCE , not multiple times;

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=cec2cdd2-0c32-4ac2-97f9-fa0ebb209102

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 11:27 a.m.

Response to post #45: I'm the one who should apologize for putting in "prop" instead of "pro." Your "quick drop dros" is magnificent. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 11:34 a.m.

Response to post #46: I have never heard or read a word suggesting that Tiger's father lived the same lifestyle. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 11:39 a.m.

Response to post #47: Silicon Valley is California's most productive locale. But you mention Playmates of the Month. They live in SILICONE Valley, or Hollywood, near where Hugh Hefner resides. Overall, SP, I think you are trying to bestow an undeserved sainthood on Tiger's lady friends. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 11:44 a.m.

Response to post #48: When Tiger Woods was getting married, I remember an article in which the author postulated that Tiger was making a mistake: taking on the responsibilities of marriage might interfere with his golf. It now occurs to me that the author might have known of Tiger's dalliances, and wondered if possible the headlines that it would really be hurtful. Prescient, that, if that's what the author had in mind. If Tiger were not married, no one would give a hoot about his sexual adventures. Apparently, he told one of his lady friends that he had only married for publicity purposes. But it obviously wasn't the kind of publicity he had in mind! Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 11:50 a.m.

Response to post #49: You won't give up, will you, SP? OK, they were all virgins until they met Tiger. I remember that during the 1930s and 1940s, Howard Hughes claimed he had deflowered 200 Hollywood virgins. Most didn't believe the assertion, on the grounds that there weren't 200 virgins in Hollywood in those days. Best, Don Bauder

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paul Dec. 18, 2009 @ 11:52 a.m.

Response to #52:

I don't know that the lifestyle was anywhere close to what is coming out about Tiger, but Earl Woods had his issues.

It is known for sure that Earl Woods left his wife and kids and married the Thai woman who had Tiger. It is also known that Earl Woods and his wife were not living together for some time before he died. He stayed on the west coast and Tiger's mother moved to Florida.

I don't know how true it is yet, but new reports have Tiger Wood's high school girlfriend saying that Tiger would get really upset and need to talk to her because his father was with other women.

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 11:52 a.m.

Response to post #50: I suspect SP has been hired by that Hollywood law firm, Lavely & Singer, to boost the reputation of Tiger's paramours. Best, Don Bauder

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paul Dec. 18, 2009 @ 12:54 p.m.

Don, have you read "El ingenioso hidalgo Don Perrito de las Ondas de la Mancha"?

It seems like only yesterday the pure and Virtuous Dulcinea had her virtue challenged by association with the dastardly assemblyman Duvall, and now she is accused of cavorting with a stick wielding giant.

I feel for our poor Alonso. So many windmills, so little time.

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 2:40 p.m.

Response to post #58: That scandal seems to have dropped out of the media. I'm sure the participants are praying for more Tiger episodes to surface. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 18, 2009 @ 3:15 p.m.

I suspect SP has been hired by that Hollywood law firm, Lavely & Singer, to boost the reputation of Tiger's paramours

Ziinngggg..................ouch-that hurt!

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 18, 2009 @ 3:18 p.m.

I remember that during the 1930s and 1940s, Howard Hughes claimed he had deflowered 200 Hollywood virgins

LOL...that sounds like it came from the "Wilt Chamberlin School of Boasting"!

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paul Dec. 18, 2009 @ 4:21 p.m.

SP said:

"OK, the madam nonsense, nothing was set uop through her-that is a flase statement. Please post a link to anything that is legit that says that."

http://www.nypost.com/r/nypost/2009/12/10/news/content/jungers_sampson_w9.pdf

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 18, 2009 @ 5:12 p.m.

This article I am posting a link to states the opposite, it states that Jungers claims the madam/hooker claim is false-so it is a question of who do you believe. The W-2 form is not really proof of Tiger paying for hookers.

http://www.examiner.com/x-29612-Scottsdale-TV-Examiner~y2009m12d11-Alleged-Tiger-mistress-Jamie-Jungers-talks-on-Today-Show--about-her-affair-with-the-golfer

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 9:55 p.m.

Response to post #60: See another post on Lavely & Singer above -- second post from the top today (Dec. 18). Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 9:57 p.m.

Response to post #61: And look what happened to Howard Hughes. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 10:01 p.m.

Response to post #62: SP will say that those two ladies provided other services -- say, laundry. SP could also argue that the word "hooker" is anathema to a golfer -- as ignominious as "slicer." Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 10:04 p.m.

Response to post #63: Most of the time on the course, Tiger is not a hooker. Why should he consort with one? Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 10:06 p.m.

Response to post #64: Tiger made his fortune on the links. Now he is being done in by links. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 18, 2009 @ 10:14 p.m.

Response to post #65: Let's set up a pool. Pick a number for how many women will come forward and say they slept with Tiger. It would be perfect publicity for a cabaret singer looking to break into Las Vegas, an aspiring Hollywood starlet, a young (or old) lady trying to crack the porn business, a hooker seeking a more affluent clientele. Start selecting numbers. Best, Don Bauder

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Burwell Dec. 18, 2009 @ 11:35 p.m.

Tiger paid these women to buff chrome and sand wood at his estate. He did not pay them for sex.

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paul Dec. 19, 2009 @ 12:30 a.m.

The sex was free. Their silence was very expensive.

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Don Bauder Dec. 19, 2009 @ 7:06 a.m.

Response to post #72: Have you joined forces with SP to exonerate these ladies? Are your efforts remunerative? Are his? Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 19, 2009 @ 7:09 a.m.

Response to post #73: National Enquirer and other such media pay good money for such stories. Is a bidding war going on? Best, Don Bauder

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paul Dec. 19, 2009 @ 8:36 a.m.

I got the feeling in the beginning that the first woman thought she was sitting on a gold mine and that if she clammed up that she would be very well taken care of. With every new allegation, the worth of her silence lessened ( in parallel with his endorsement potential), until now her gold mine has essentially played out. Her exclusive with the press is gone so her story is worth a small fraction of its initial value, and she can't do much further damage to Woods so her value to him is gone.

As for the coming protest from SP defending this poor everyday woman who unknowingly got caught up with Woods; She has been linked with more than a few high profile athletes as well as actors. That doesn't happen by accident. She seeks them out.

She does have a tragic story, so I will give SP that. By all accounts she started out normal and was a decent person, but went south after her fiance died in the 9/11 attacks. First she fought with his family to try and get some of his estate(they haven't talked to her since), then she had a quicky marriage and afterward a breakdown. After that she made herself over physically (surgery and working out), moved to Vegas and worked to bring high profile people into high-end night clubs. Sorry SP, but that is not the most honorable profession,and is one small step away from several very dishonorable ones, a line that is frequently crossed by these types in real life.

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Don Bauder Dec. 19, 2009 @ 10:15 a.m.

Response to post #76: You say she started out normal and was then traumatized by 9/11. But trying to grab a share of her late husband's estate, doing a silicone/botox makeover and moving to Vegas to prey on wealthy actors and athletes suggest that she has been Machiavellian all along. I don't think one terrible experience transmogrifies one's personality so dramatically. But then, I am not a psychologist. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 19, 2009 @ 10:20 a.m.

Response to post #77: Great points. Prostitutes, madams, and ladies of easy virtue are hardly society's biggest enemies. They are low on the villain list, and maybe don't belong there at all. The real pillagers are silk-suited lawyers and Wall Streeters, Harvard MBAs, Yale Law School grads and others who are celebrated in the media as pillars of society but are sociological predators of the worst sort. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 19, 2009 @ 10:22 a.m.

NOTE: Oops. Another error. I meant "sociopathic predators," not "sociological predators," of course. Best, Don Bauder

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Burwell Dec. 19, 2009 @ 1:12 p.m.

Response to post #72: Have you joined forces with SP to exonerate these ladies? Are your efforts remunerative? Are his? Best, Don Bauder

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You obviously don't know what buffing chrome and sanding wood means.

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paul Dec. 19, 2009 @ 1:14 p.m.

By themaninthemirror: "At least with her, someone knows they're getting screwed, unlike with most politicians and corporate executives."

I respectfully disagree. I pretty much know I am being screwed by politicians and big business leaders as well.

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paul Dec. 19, 2009 @ 1:18 p.m.

Response to #78

Don, I don't disagree. It is entirely possible that she had those latent tendencies. She may have been essentially doing the same thing to hookup with her fiance, but at an amateur level, and through circumstance was given the opportunity to really cultivate her talents at the professional level.

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Don Bauder Dec. 19, 2009 @ 1:41 p.m.

Response to post #81: No, I don't know what buffing chrome and sanding wood mean-- remember, I am an old ma of a different generation. It sounds like you shouldn't explain the meanings to me in a post. You can always email me at don.bauder@mac.com. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 19, 2009 @ 1:43 p.m.

Response to post #82: You may know how you are getting fleeced by the pols, Wall Street and big business, but what percentage of the population has figured it out? Best, Don Bauder

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MsGrant Dec. 19, 2009 @ 1:50 p.m.

You're an old ma? Don, you have some 'splainin' to do...

Erin Woods...probably took it public so she could take her money and run.

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Don Bauder Dec. 19, 2009 @ 1:52 p.m.

Response to post #83: People may be born with genes that make them prone to alcoholism. But they may be raised by a dry family and never touch a drop. A natural-born cozener may only come alive when the situation presents itself. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 19, 2009 @ 5:29 p.m.

They are low on the villain list, and maybe don't belong there at all. The real pillagers are silk-suited lawyers and Wall Streeters, Harvard MBAs, Yale Law School grads and others who are celebrated in the media as pillars of society but are sociological predators of the worst sort. Best, Don Bauder

Wow, you just described a straight to cable Showtime movie I saw yesterday morning!

It was about a MOB family in NY, and the Don dies, but before the Don (Godfather) kicks-he gets his nephew- an Ivy league MBA Wall Street Broker- to promise to take over the "family" and make them legit! So Ivy League MBA Boy does a make over onthe Wise Guys and makes them real etsate brokers and developers-and then tells them at the end the BIG MONEY is not in racquets, but in "Bernie Madoff/Wall Street" type scams (he said this sarcastically).

Not a bad little movie-called "Under New Management";

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0887966/

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 19, 2009 @ 5:36 p.m.

By all accounts she started out normal and was a decent person, but went south after her fiance died in the 9/11 attacks. First she fought with his family to try and get some of his estate(they haven't talked to her since), then she had a quicky marriage and afterward a breakdown. After that she made herself over physically (surgery and working out), moved to Vegas and worked to bring high profile people into high-end night clubs. Sorry SP, but that is not the most honorable profession,and is one small step away from several very dishonorable ones, a line that is frequently crossed by these types in real life.

Well, what you have described is NOT a hooker, but a "gold digger".

I admit there is not much difference between the two, but there is a differnce- a line in the sand.

I take it you are referring to Rachel Uchitel. I just pulled up this profile/article on her, and she comes from money, hardly a woman of the night (and man did she look different in 2001-silly cone central);

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/23/crimesider/entry5413927.shtml

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Don Bauder Dec. 19, 2009 @ 9:09 p.m.

Response to post #48: Remember the conglomerates of the 1960s? Came out of nowhere (supposedly), zoomed, crashed. Were headed by Harvard MBAs and such -- the media called them whiz kids. Where do you suppose the money came from? I'll give you a hint: it was dirty. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 19, 2009 @ 9:20 p.m.

Response to post #89: See my post near the top of the page on Lavely & Singer. (It's the most recent post on that law firm.) The item deals in part with Rachel Uchitel. I took it from the Wall Street Journal, a highly reputable publication. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 20, 2009 @ 12:30 a.m.

On December 8, the Journal reported that Lavely & Singer was working on a deal "that would pay Rachel Uchitel, a woman who has been alleged in published reports to have had an affair with Mr. Woods, in exchange for not talking to the media," said the Journal. A press conference she was allegedly to hold was canceled. Lavely & Singer refused to comment on that alleged episode, too.

Wow, so that is why Gloria Allred cancelled her press conference 12 hours ebfore it was supposed to go on, a big payday! I never saw the WSJ article-nor knew Singer had brokered the deal.

Allred has never in her life cancelled a news conference (at least according to her daughter anyway-lawyer Lisa Bloom of Court-TV)-so the pay off makes total sense.

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Don Bauder Dec. 20, 2009 @ 7:54 a.m.

Response to post #92: As I said, the Wall Street Journal doesn't print such material without doing its homework. One publication calls Lavely & Singer Woods's "hush money negotiators." We don't know the truth of all this of course, but I do think it's something that should be investigated fully by the press. Best, Don Bauder

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paul Dec. 21, 2009 @ 1:11 a.m.

SP said: "Wow, so that is why Gloria Allred cancelled her press conference 12 hours ebfore it was supposed to go on, a big payday!"

Wasn't that plainly obvious at the time?!?

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 21, 2009 @ 6:56 a.m.

Wasn't that plainly obvious at the time?!?

No. It was open to speculation.

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Don Bauder Dec. 21, 2009 @ 7:11 a.m.

Response to post #94: Here's a confession that will shock some: I had never heard of Gloria Allred or her publicity proclivities until all this came up. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 21, 2009 @ 7:13 a.m.

Response to post #95: That goes to the heart of scandals like the Woods one: everything is open to speculation. It's one reason the public finds it so titillating. Best, Don Bauder

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paul Dec. 21, 2009 @ 9:24 a.m.

SP said: "No. It was open to speculation."

It is still open to speculation.

That doesn't change the fact that it was plainly obvious.

They are not mutually exclusive.

There are those who will speculate on virtually anything, no matter how conclusive the proof to the contrary. I know this from experience, having interacted here with you! ;)

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paul Dec. 21, 2009 @ 10:51 a.m.

themaninthemirror,

I disagree to a point.

I believe that some degree of coverage and scrutiny is appropriate because the discussion is essentially about tiger woods the brand. When a brand has been built up to the tune of $100 million a year and the foundation the brand is based on gets rocked, that is big news for a number of reasons. In a way it is similar to all the coverage and hits to its image Nike got because of the sweatshop scandals. As for the titillation aspect, I'm not sure it differs from the news stories written about Dennis Kozlowski, Henry Nicholas, the Gores brothers, etc, whose personal peccadilloes have a huge impact on a major corporation (yes, the tiger woods brand is a major corporation).

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 21, 2009 @ 11:37 a.m.

It is still open to speculation.

That doesn't change the fact that it was plainly obvious.

No, it is not plainly obvious, by the very fact that it is OPEN to wide speculation means it is not plainly obvious.

Don, this one is for you, Gloria and her daughter;

http://www.yourlifemagazine.com/image/obj2097geo1969pg74p4.jpg

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Don Bauder Dec. 21, 2009 @ 12:42 p.m.

Response to post #98: If you speculate on something that is plainly obvious, you should do well -- until the party ends. Example: it is plainly obvious that the Federal Reserve will keep interest rates at zero. It has said it will "for the indefinite future." Therefore, it is a good speculation that stocks, bonds, and commodities will go up -- for awhile. But from any reading of history (particularly recent history), it is plainly obvious that this big gush of worldwide liquidity will end very unhappily. Then your speculation may not do so well. Best, Don Bauder

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paul Dec. 21, 2009 @ 12:47 p.m.

SP said: "No, it is not plainly obvious, by the very fact that it is OPEN to wide speculation means it is not plainly obvious."

Some got it. To them it was obvious. Others missed it. To them it was open to speculation, nay, open to "wide" speculation.

Dude, you missed it. Others got it. Deal with it and move on.

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Don Bauder Dec. 21, 2009 @ 12:53 p.m.

Response to post #99: If Tiger Woods were a bachelor, nobody would give a hoot. If he had a wife but no children, the scandal would be evanescent. If he were a mediocre golfer, no one would care. If he were the greatest quoits player in the history of the world, nobody would give a damn. That said, let me make another observation: this, too, will pass. A-Rod's steriods scandal didn't last long, e.g. The Clinton/Lewinsky scandal did have legs, but he was president and was impeached. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 21, 2009 @ 1:01 p.m.

Response to post #100: The public is salivating over the sex aspect of this. Tiger has to understand this. Few care that he is a big gambler in Vegas. Probably few care that the Canadian doctor -- who may or may not have given him HGH, probably not -- has no license to practice in Florida. Sex sells. It can also erupt perniciously, as Tiger has found out. His pleas for privacy are making the situation worse. Unfortunately, people understand that he has no right to privacy at this point. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 21, 2009 @ 1:08 p.m.

Response to post #101: Gee. Looks like she is only a generation behind me. I guess I should have known who she is. Best, Don Bauder

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Don Bauder Dec. 21, 2009 @ 1:11 p.m.

Response to post #103: I guess if it is OPEN to wide speculation, then it is not plainly obvious. Best, Don Bauder

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SurfPuppy619 Dec. 21, 2009 @ 7:28 p.m.

Some got it. To them it was obvious. Others missed it. To them it was open to speculation, nay, open to "wide" speculation.

Dude, you missed it. Others got it. Deal with it and move on.

I admit it dude, I missed it. So did others I am sure.

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Don Bauder Dec. 21, 2009 @ 9:47 p.m.

Response to post #108: Congratulations for trapping most of us. Don Bauder

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