No, not because of the health care thing. Even though it's insane for him to think it will work (see Canada); his heart is in the right place.

I voted for Obama. And I probably would again.

There's nothing I hate more than discussing politics. The reason is that nobody listens to the other side. No Democrat ever agrees with anything a Republican does, and vice versa. It really is funny how politics enables common sense to go right out the window.

I found out this morning, that President Obama chimbed in on the police arresting Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates, Jr.

He said the officers acted "stupidly."

Really? Did they act as "stupidly" as he did by associating with Reverand Wright? And then when it came out how insane Wright was, Obama "stupidly" acted like he never heard any of those insane rants.

Okay, first, here's the story in case someone isn't familiar with it.

A Harvard scholar, well-respected man in the community (Gates)came back from a trip and couldn't get into his house. The door jammed and he went around back, before coming to the front and ramming his shoulder into it a few times.

A neighbor called police saying "Two black men with back-packs are breaking into a house."

The police show up and things get heated. Gates eventually shows ID, proving that he lives there. But he gets arrested for "disorderly conduct."

I then read in the New Yorker, some biased liberal piece of crap writing, about how the police are racist.

I listen to Whoopi Goldberg on The View say that she's not surprised by this, as African-Americans are always pulled over for "driving while black."

And now Obama decides to weigh in (in his defense, a reporter asked about it; he also admitted to being friends with Gates).

Yet, where Obama acted "stupidly" is when he said the cops acted "stupidly." He then says, "Once he shows ID, why is there a problem?"

Well....let me take a wild guess. Oh...because...maybe Mr. Gates was freaking out and yelling at cops!

My friend just told me this morning, "Well...we don't know the whole story."

But you really don't need to know the whole story. All you need to realize (if you have a brain), is that the cops get a burglary call. I'm assuming most burglary calls turn out to be something serious. It's not like a noise complaint call or a domestic dispute, which could turn out to be a loud TV that had yelling. If someone calls in a burglary, they probably have watched a person acting suspicious for a few minutes.

The police probably didn't pull up and nicely say "Excuse me, sir. Sorry to bother you on this fine day. You look like a fine, outstanding member of society. But, we got this call, and so we're investigating. Again, sorry to take up your time. But..."

No. The cops probably rolled up on this guy and said, "Get on the ground! Put your hands in the air, and get on your knees!!"

They may have even cursed. And, I'm guessing this type of attitude, got Gates all riled up. After all, he's at his own home. And, he probably thinks police do this to African-Americans all the time (which is really faulty logic to begin with).

Does Gates really think the cops were just driving around, saw a black man in his front lawn, and decided to harass him?

I have a friend whose dad is a retired police officer. He told me his first day working, he saw black guys carrying stereos and TV sets from a house. He figured it was a burglary and pulled over to ask what they were doing. They said they were moving, and showed ID. He talked to them for a few minutes, making light conversation about how horrible moving is, and how the guys should expect to get pizza and beer from their friend for helping him.

When he got back into his car, he wondered if they wondered, if he was questioning them because they were black. When the simple fact was...he saw people carrying things out of a house. And it was a Monday, when people don't normally move. It had nothing to do with race. But guess what? Nobody was arrested. Nobody was shot. And there were no problems. The people moving probably understood why the cop was questioning them, and they didn't get on some racial kick about it. Now, you might say to yourself "I'm white. I've moved a bunch of times. I've helped white friends move. And we've never been bothered by the police."

I just helped a black friend of mine move last week. And we weren't harassed by the police either. But you know why? Probably because a cop didn't drive by. And if one did, they probably saw the big U-Haul.

This professor probably thinks that everyone is out to get African-Americans. And so he freaked out.

I initially thought maybe this guy was right, because the police dropped the "disorderly conduct" charge. I wondered why they wouldn't charge the guy, if he was such a problem they felt the need to bring him in. But who knows. There are lots of reasons that could be.

But now Gates is demanding an apology. And, I think it should be the police that demand an apology. From him, and from Obama.

You see, making claims like this just sets race relations back 50 years. It divides people. And much like politics, we don't listen to the other side.

The people that read this blog are going to post that I'm some racist scum for believing the cops. And they won't even use what little common sense they have.

Because really...think about it. Let's say a cop is racist. And let's say a cop is also mean. Is he really going to just grab black guys that aren't breaking the law? I'm guessing he wouldn't risk his job doing that.

And when you start making accusations against cops and you play that ever popular race card...I have to wonder where and when it all ends.

Will Obama say the police are acting "stupidly" for going after Michael Jacksons black doctor?

Was the FCC acting "stupidly" by fining a black singer for showing her breast during a Super Bowl?

Will Obama say the police acted "stupidly" by jailing O.J. in Vegas, for some petty crime involving his own stuff he wanted back?

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Josh Board July 31, 2009 @ 1:21 a.m.

President Obama continues to act stupid. Neither he or Gates apologized to the officer at the White House. What idiots.

So, this "teachable moment," merely teaches everyone that they can yell and scream at cops, that are trying to do their jobs.

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PistolPete July 31, 2009 @ 12:47 p.m.

Both of 'em can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

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kickasssixty July 23, 2009 @ 9:34 a.m.

Those of us who have grown up white can never fully understand or "get" the experience of growing up black. since we can't, our opinions on why the Black Professor--who showed proof to the cops that it was his house--was nonetheless TREATED like a burglar.
You dismissed someone's suggestion to you that you don't know the whole story, or the ORDER in which events transpired, but then proceed to imagine the scenario as you wanted to see it.... If the police dropped the charges and the Mayor has apologized to him as noted on GMA this morning, I think it's safe to surmise that there was an overreaction here, and I remain convinced it had a racist tinge.

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SpliffAdamz_ July 23, 2009 @ 10:10 a.m.

For a person who isn't afriacn you sure do got some bulls distorted views on how africans are being treated!!! If a person shows you their idea and it has your address on it and your with the retarded Cowards On Patrol at your house!!! Why didn't the cowards just say have a nice day Mr. Gates and kick rocks??? But no the cowards couldn't just leave because they felt like idiots , disrespected and they never believe he live their in the first place!!! That's why they ask him to come out of his house so they could arrest him!!! If i'm at my place of resident and show you my idea get the f back in your demon squad car and smash!!! Don't try to have a shouting match with me and i'm the person who lives there!!! These dumb azz cops were there on a burglary call , Gates comes out and tells the cowards that it was him who enter into his own house!!! He shows them his idea with his address on it!!!! If the cops are still their asking question , that means they never believe him and was out to arrest him already!!!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!! If i was GATES i would move from that area , it seems like he has a few haters living around him!!!! You know how amerikkka hates to see a african making money and living good!!! WHAT THE F EVER HAPPEN TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH??? Nobody is going to kiss your punk azz just you got a work badge on and a gun , wake the f up!!! If someone is innocent their not going to put up with any nut grabbing , flat foot at their home causing a scene!!!! Wow amerikkka has a half bread puppet and racism is still going on!!! I guess obama being elected didn't mean s*** after all huh!!!!!

FYI now white amerikkkans are questioning is obama amerikkkan born!!!! But we have a none amerikkkan born governor that's fing over health and education right here in the golden state!!! Oh wait i forgot the governator has white skin , has played in amerikkkan movies , was MR olympian , smokes weed and was seen in STUDIO 54 where they did all kinds of drugs and had swingers!!!! So it's okay for him to f s up and nobody say they he isn't amerikkkan born!!! But obama hasn't even been amerikkkas puppet for a year and white amerikkka is all on his nuts like flies on s!!! Shouldn't all politicians be amerikkkan born , not just the main puppet!!!! Speak on it or be silent!!!!!!

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Josh Board July 23, 2009 @ 11:06 a.m.

kick: the mayor made some contradictory statements. and she's black, and for some reason, felt like it was the "thing to do" for someone living in her town (so she said).

but seriously...ask yourself this.

if you locked yourself out of your house. and for some reason, you decided to crawl in thru the window and cops show up...what do you think is going to happen? now, before you quickly answer me...think about it. think about WHAT cops will say to you, and what you'll say back.

i do think you are right. that race played a part here. but ONLY because Gates made it play a part. he had anger, and what he perceived the cops of perceiving.

guess what I heard on Good Morning America along with the story? that a neighbor that witnessed the whole thing, said the cop was being fine during all this, but Gates was freaking out and screaming.

why would a neighbor lie? is this again, some big conspiracy amongst the white people (neighbors, cops, etc), to have a prominant black man arrested?

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Josh Board July 23, 2009 @ 11:11 a.m.

Spliff: Arnold would never be able to become President (thank god) because he wasn't born here. That doesn't apply for other offices.

And from day one, a few Republicans tried to play that thing about Obama not really being born here. It was their only shot. And it didn't hold water. I've even heard a few Republicans (Michael Medved, for one), say it's insane for people to keep bringing all that up.

And let me ask you this, Spliff. If cops showed up at your house, because someone called about a burglarly...what should they do if you refuse to open the door, but yell at them thru the door "I live here! Get lost!"

Should they just say "Oh well. We angered a resident here, let's move on."

Or should they wonder if, perhaps, that's the burglar inside.

Or what?

You don't open the door and start screaming. You calmly open your door. And you expect them to possibly have guns drawn, as they think it might be a burglar.

You show your ID, and the cops WILL move along. It's as simple as that.

But again...trouble makers create trouble, and then wonder why cops bring them in. It baffles my mind that people can't get around this.

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magicsfive July 23, 2009 @ 11:18 a.m.

hey spliffy...do you really hate us all (because that would really disappoint me) or are you just speaking your mind? i hope its the latter. :)

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PistolPete July 23, 2009 @ 11:15 a.m.

1-Perhaps if Mr.Gates wasn't so busy trying to demonize white people,the stupid f--ker would have gotten to know his neighbors.

2-This is the same bulls as Senator Boxer vs. Harry Alford. Why are blacks always the first one to pull the Ace of Spades? I'm tired of the hypocritical bulls from blacks in America. Like my mother used to say-they talk like a man with a paper a**hole. They claim they want equality but ALWAYS set themselves apart:NAACP,NBCC,BET,etc,etc.. Just once,I'd like to see white man television. I'm tired of Tyler Perry stinkin' up cable.

And just for the record Reverend Spliff,the cops asked Mr.Gates for his ID numerous times and he initially refused to show them.

I'm also not a huge fan of cops.

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unchienne July 23, 2009 @ 11:36 a.m.

It's a crying shame that in this country, the PC wars have gotten so bad that we must fully pad ourselves (mentioning our own race, our political affiliations, etc...) before launching into our opinions so as not to be deemed biased. Actually, this only really goes towards white people. If a black man goes on a diatribe against Bush, he's seen as anti-Bush. If a white man voices his disdain for Obama, everyone sits there wondering if he's racist. This was not a case of racism. At most, it was a case of an officer using bad judgement to not walk away from a verbal confrontation. The neighbor said it was a burglary. If it was my house, I would have been offended if the cops DIDN'T ask for my ID.

Another article listed "proof" of Cambridge police's ongoing racist behavior by citing how a black staff member was accosted after police spotted him using tools to open his bike lock. Are you kidding me? The police sees a man trying to open a bike lock with tools, and he's suppose to just walk on by? I don't want to live in that neigborhood.

Why is it o.k. to think a well dressed white man driving in a low income black neighborhood is trying to buy drugs, but being suspicious of aminority youth, sporting the gang banger style of clothes, cruising around a high end neighborhood is considered racist? Is generalized stereotyping of an entire race and thinking that all white people are pot heads and all blacks are thugs wrong? Yes. But do we have to sacrifice our common sense on the altar of political correctness as well? The officer was just doing his job.

Cops who pull people over for driving cars they think are out of their racial price range is profiling. Cops being curious because they see someone trying to jimmy the lock of their car is not. Cops responding to a burglary called in by a neighbor and double checking to make sure the occupant is the rightful owner is NOT.

Everyone in this country wants special treatment. We dream of lawsuits and lotteries. We are becoming addicts addicted to stupidity. Pretty soon, we'll be pointing so many fingers that they'll all start to sound like "wolf, wolf, wolf..." and breed an apathy that will bring this country down. In fact, it's already started.

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cardig July 23, 2009 @ 12:19 p.m.

I concur with JB...Well written unchienne. Was going to post my opinion, but you two beat me too it.

Once again...(as JB has said many times) if encounter a cop...be respectful, answer the questions, and if you are not breaking the law, you will have no problems. IF you want to scream and yell, hold up the cops for an hour ranting and raving...you get hauled into the pokey. Pretty simple.

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PistolPete July 23, 2009 @ 12:52 p.m.

I give up on having any kind of intelligent conversation on race issues in America. A ni--er is a ni--er,a jew is a jew,a g00k is a g00k,a honkey is a honkey.....yada,yada,f--kin' yada. Life goes on. As long as the black man feels so empowered under Obama's leadership to walk around with a deck full of cards and playing 52 pick-up,we're further f--ked as a nation. Blacks were slaves years ago. Get over it. Blacks aren't the only race to suffer slavery and discrimination. Get over yourselves.

Hell,even this paper is PC. I can't say ni--er anymore? Last time I checked the dictionary,the word ni--er meant IGNORANT! Those IGNORANT blacks have stolen our words! LAZY NI--ERS!

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SpliffAdamz_ July 23, 2009 @ 12:16 p.m.

Hate??? Please there is a bigger war going on!!! I'm just having fun watching these scrubs run like roaches to find something to say when i response to their bulls***!!! Watch this one!!!

Yo puzzypete you want white mans TV??? Then go watch "archie bunker" where they had no blacks!!! Go watch "friends"!!! No blacks there!!! Go watch "seinfeld"!!! No blacks there!!!! Go watch "That 70s show" where white people are dress like and trying to dance like blacks in the 70S!!! Go watch the harry potter movies 1-6 and see when they started to show blacks in the movie or even have lines!!! Go watch the "star wars movies 1-6"!!! Where everyone on the empire side is white but every fighting against the empire is white or some creature!!! Go watch "night rider"!!! Go watch "baywatch"!!! Go watch "90210"!!! Go watch "save by the bell" Go watch "MTV"!!! Go watch "VH1"!!! Go watch the "amerikkkan band stand"!!! Go watch all the "friday the 13 movies"!!!! Go watch the "halloween movies" until they had LL cool j play in one"!!!! Go watch "conan the barbarian and the destroyer"!!! Go watch the "terminator 1-4"!!! Go watch "nightmare on elm street" 1-6!!!! Hey puzzypete is that white enough for ya????

FYI Granddragon puzzypete you don't need to show ID everyones name is in the system!!! So whether you got ID or not your real name is in the system!!! Please don't believe the hype of TV... I forgot your on white people vision!!! Why wouldn't he show his idea if they ask for it??? He's a professor dork man , so that means he's smarter then a nut grabbing cop!!! Ya don't a college degree to be a cop , you only need to know how to follow orders!!!

Remember every and anyone RACISM WAS ADOPTED BY THIS GOVERNMENT WHICH WAS AND STILL IS CONTOLLED BY OLD GRUMPY WHITE MAN!!!! IF THIS COUNTRIES GOVERNMENT DIDN'T ADOPT RACISM AND IF THE CITIZENS DIDN'T EXCEPT IT , WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE TALKING ABOUT THESE RACIAL ISSUES HERE IN GOOD OLD AMERIKKKA!!!! IF THE CITIZENS BACK IN THE 1400 , 1500 , 1600 , 1700 , 1800 , WERE SO ABOUT EQUILTY WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THESE RACE ISSUES!!!! IF THIS COUNTRY IS SO GREAT WHY IS EVERY OTHER RACE A MINORITY BUT WHITES??? YOU SO-CALLED EDUCATED WANNABE DON'T KNOW S*** ABOUT THE AFRICAN STRUGGLE HERE IN GOOD OLD AMERIKKKA!!! BUT YOU ARE QUICK TO HOLD ON TO THE RACIST VIEWS ESTABLISHED BY RACIST GOVERNMENT BUT CLAIM YOU AIN'T RACIST!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! SPEAK ON IT OR BE SILENT THE CHOICE IS YOURS!!!!!!!!

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SpliffAdamz_ July 23, 2009 @ 12:47 p.m.

But there is a thing called freedom of speech and i can yell all i want to!!! Just as long as i don't make any threats to harm or injury anyone , the cop just has to sit their and take it or kick rocks!!! But here in amerikkka , they say it's freedom of speech until those with power of authority get offended!!! Then they can hide behind their little shinning badge , take you to jail and make up a story saying that you were in the wrong!!! You call that justice!?! Now if i show you my idea and my address that's on the idea is where we are standing , why would any cop still be there asking question!?! Unless you don't believe and you on that bulls***!!!! After you verified who i am and that me being at my home is legitimate kick rocks!!! How many ways can someone explain that they were trying to get in their own house , before they get frustrated!!! This man ain't no child!!! Matter a fact i'm pretty sure he was older then the pig that arrested him!!! So i'm pretty sure he was cool until he felt that same white amerikkka garbage smelling up his property!!!! And why do i have to respect someone who is being disrespectful to me???? AMERIKKKA LAND OF THE KISS AZZ CITIZENS!!!

Remember all this racism bulls was adopted by your white amerikkkan government and the citizen of amerikkka accept it!!!! So don't hate on those who stand up to your government idealism of racism , then act like someone has to accept that bulls because you white and don't understand or never experience of what racism is!!!!! WHITE AMERIKKKA GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR AZZ AND SMELL THAT S*** YOU TALKING!!!!

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SpliffAdamz_ July 23, 2009 @ 1:14 p.m.

If it's nowhere it use to be then why are other culture in this country still called minorities??? Why isn't everyone born here just amerikkkan???

If blacks all ways cry racism that means there is still racism how hard is that to understand!!! Oh wait i forgot when you on the outside looking in , you just a spectator not a participator!!! Unless you confuse and on the side of amerikkka and think amerikkka has and can do no wrong!!!!

And if white amerikkka is sick of blacks saying racism , why is white amerikkka still trying to dress like , have hair like , do music like , play sports like , talk like , walk like , have hand shakes like blacks??? Why is every other culture in amerikkka using the (N) word like blacks??? If you ain't one why you calling yourself one??? I hear whites , latinos , and asian calling themselves (N) more then blacks!!! I don't hear blacks calling themselves esa like the latinos use to do!!! I really don't hear blacks calling each other dude like white people!!!! If we crying racism all the time , stop trying to be like us all the time!!! Stop trying to steal our culture and what we do and use it for yaself!!! Get your own damm hand shakes!!! Get your own slogans!!! Oh wait white amerikkka do have slogans , they all racist slogans!!! Get your own style of music , don't do jazz , hip hop , rock and blues!!! Stick to that country music!!! Don't wear dreads or french braids , stick to the bowl cuts!!!

And please don't try and write like SPLIFFADAMZ if you ain't SPLIFFADAMZ!!! Holla!!!!

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PistolPete July 23, 2009 @ 2:19 p.m.

Blah,blah,blah. Spliff,you're about as educated as my right nut.

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SpliffAdamz_ July 23, 2009 @ 1:40 p.m.

You only give up cause you a racist azz saltin that believes in amerikkka and you ain't got a leg to stand on!!! Please this country was already f*** when a few dumb azz europeans who thought the world was flat accidentally landed here!!! So why don't you take your retarded , non educated , no culture having , recessive genes back to the cave where you belong!!! The sun is out don't burn up vampire get some suntan lotion!!!! You look like you about to peal away!!!!

It's funny how these creamies of today think!!! It's okay to be white and racist because that's what amerikkka is all about!!! but it ain't ok to point out ya flaws , because racism is a normal amerikkkan traditions!!!! And we amerikkkan has been s***ing on blacks since the 1400 , how come the blacks ain't use to it by now??? How come they keep fighting back???? Lets put a half bread as our new puppet maybe that will shut up the blacks!!! But oh wait now the whites are complaining!!! Damm amerikkka you can't seem to get it right!!!!

Sorry we didn't steal ya word (N) becaue it wasn't yours in the first place!!! Do ya history!!! (N) comes from the word negro which means black in the latin language!!! Once again puzzypete showing how these creamies always stealing something and trying to use it for their own!!!! So since every other race is calling themselves (N) that means ya'll ignorant now??? They only blocking the word cause i put these editors on blast about it!!! Freedom of speech don't be scared of what hole amerikkka has dug for itself to fall in!!! What a bunch of bytches!!!! You want to use my dick to , since the word on the street is white boys got little dicks!!!!! Kick rocks or keep getting kick in ya azz!!!!

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SDaniels July 23, 2009 @ 4:26 p.m.

To fill in the obvious gaps, to learn more about ongoing formations of racial and cultural identity in the US, and to perhaps enrich your discussion, why not try reading Henry Louis Gates's seminal work, "The Signifying Monkey."

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SDaniels July 23, 2009 @ 4:28 p.m.

On ne comprend pas. "Un chien" ou "une chienne?"

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Russ Lewis July 23, 2009 @ 4:56 p.m.

Naw, SD, it's more fun to just throw scattershot accusations at everyone else and let grammar, spelling, and punctuation go to hell. And if you criticize anyone for it, you're being a racist and you're just biting his "style."

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antigeekess July 23, 2009 @ 7:06 p.m.

"To fill in the obvious gaps, to learn more about ongoing formations of racial and cultural identity in the US, and to perhaps enrich your discussion, why not try reading Henry Louis Gates's seminal work, "The Signifying Monkey.""

LOL. Seriously. You drop that and a little French into THIS cesspool, SD?

It's like adding pricey seasonings to soupe de turd. :)

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SurfPuppy619 July 23, 2009 @ 8:47 p.m.

Ms Geekess, I hear you're very much the chef these days.

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Josh Board July 23, 2009 @ 10:32 p.m.

anti...let's hear your opinion on Mr. Gates and how he was "treated" by the cops. I'm sure like SD, you feel Mr. Gates was treated poorly. I argued with a liberal friend of mine today...an intelligent woman (teacher and retired lawyer), who actually was stupid enough to say "Cops are always planting evidence and framing people." If a person feels more than 1% of cops do this, they watch too many movies.

But you know what's funny? What happened to Gates is almost EXACTLY what happened to a bunch of "rich, white Democrats" up here in Encinitas when they, too...decided they wouldn't answer cops questions (unlike Gates, though, they got maced and/or tazed). Imagine if these folks in Encinitas had been black. Everyone would be saying "Look at that...a simple noise complaint, and the cops are macing everyone because they're racist."

Do we see a pattern here? Yes. It could be the cops are mean. And it could also be that the cops don't take BS. They ask you questions, ask for ID, you show it. You don't turn and walk away. How stupid a man is Gates, to not realize that he was pushing and messing around with his door, and cops showed up? He's offended by that?!?!?!

Spliff: You mention all those 70s shows. What does that even prove? There were some 70s shows with blacks. What's Happenin', White Shadow...and even Happy Days had Sticks (anyone remember that dude?) You also mentioned Saved by the Bell, but that had a black girl (and she was the cutest of the bunch)

cardig: not only are you making the cops nervous when you start yelling at them and not showing ID...but you're also keeping them there longer, which means...other REAL criminals out there that they aren't catching. Because let's face it...Mr. Gates isn't a criminal. He's not someone the cops should be spending time dealing with. YET, because of his idiotic behavior, he has now created a situation where taxpayers are spending money to deal with him.

So, SD...I might have been interested in reading something by Gates. But not now. He's no different in my mind, then idiots like Rev. Wright, Rev Sharpton, or Rev Spliff. All idiots that spout off inaccuracies, and hurt race relations with their constant claims (while Wright lived in a $10 million mansion in a WHITE neighborhood).

Spliff: freedom of speech doesn't mean you can yell. Try shouting "fire!" in a movie theatre. Or try yelling at a cop, or in a restaurant...and see what that "freedom" gets ya. Think about what the term "freedom of speech" means. It doesn't mean I can shout the "n word" and try to incite a riot. And nobody should want to do that.

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magicsfive July 23, 2009 @ 10:52 p.m.

the difference i see here between SD and Anti g is that SD seems to prefer a more educated and levelheaded discussion while Antig seems to resort to more nastiness and snarky comments. tell me i'm wrong. Am i? i don't think so. sorry, but that's just the way i see it. and as this IS a public forum, we are all entitled to comment the way we see fit. and i just did. bring it.

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Josh Board July 23, 2009 @ 11:32 p.m.

Well...maybe. But SD might be one of the most educated people I've ever met. Yet she often seems to throw common sense out the window.

I don't care if you've read a hundred books people like Gates, Maya Angelou, James Baldwin, or Orprah -- on what it's like to be African-American.

That doesn't mean ANY TIME there's a confrontation between a black and a white, that it's a "race crime". Or that a police officer was "racist".

And for people to keep saying on all these talk shows "we don't know the whole story..." well, explain to me why Obama would claim the cops acted "stupidly", when he's admitting he "doesn't know the whole story."

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SDaniels July 23, 2009 @ 11:43 p.m.

magics, I don't think you are really reading some of the posts above, if you think antigeekess is the one leveling the snark & nasty. She is simply calling a spade a spade, my dear. For example, see the link in post #17. A sad state of affairs. Welp, looks like no one wants to discuss Gates's book, so...whatever... I tried.

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magicsfive July 24, 2009 @ 12:01 a.m.

well, yes i have read them, and i was referring to other posts in general i think. but perhaps i should stick to commenting on the posts at hand. i do not debate whether or not she has a right to say what she feels. idk that's just me. clearly we all have spoken our minds on one or more subjects here and have all come up with a snarky (a word i got from refried a while back :D) comment, myself included. like i said it is simply an observation on my part, no more, no less, and sincerely no harm intended. to be honest, i know nothing about Gates' book but perhaps should get into it myself. :)

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David Dodd July 24, 2009 @ 12:03 a.m.

Forget about race for a minute, this is a political problem. Think of the President as the pilot of a 747 and you're a passenger on that jet. On the starboard side of the aircraft, everyone notices smoke coming out of one of the four engines. The aircraft yaws slightly, and the passengers panic and begin to worry.

Scenario #1: It's 2007. Bush is your pilot, and you hear that familiar voice over the intercom.

"Ladies and gentelmen, we've experienced engine failure in one of the four engines. But don't worry. We've just tested the landing gear and it's fine. The other three engines seem to be in good working order. We'll be safely landing at the nearest large airport, there's nothing to worry about. Please fasten your seatbelts and await further instructions, and don't panic, we have everything under control."

Everyone freaks out. People start to rush the cabin. "He's a liar, we're all going to die!" is the phrase most often yelled as the poor stewardesses try and fail to restore order. In seconds, some of the passengers break into the cockpit and kill the pilot - the jet crashes. There are no survivors.

Scenario #2: It's 2009. Obama is your pilot, and you hear that familiar voice over the intercom.

"Ladies and gentelmen, we've experienced engine failure in one of the four engines. But don't worry, we have a plan. We acknowledge that the plan isn't perfect. We've shut down the other three just in case they also catch on fire. We've also disabled the landing gear so it won't get damaged. Please fasten your seatbelts and prepare for a crash landing."

The soothing voice calms the passengers, and as the jet dives rapidly, breaking apart as it falls, everyone on the jet is thinking the same thing: What luck we have such a wonderful pilot. The jet crashes and there is one survivor.

Obama. He brought a parachute.

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antigeekess July 24, 2009 @ 12:10 a.m.

LOL. Daniels, you're killing me. Did you just actually type this:

"She is simply calling a spade a spade, my dear. For example, see the link in post #17."

A "spade" a "spade?" Quoi?!?!?

The silver lining is, if tweedlewhichever hadn't posted the link in #17, I wouldn't have found this:

:)

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antigeekess July 24, 2009 @ 12:12 a.m.

"clearly we all have spoken our minds on one or more subjects here and have all come up with a snarky (a word i got from refried a while back :D) comment, myself included."

Snarky is my middle name. :)

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antigeekess July 24, 2009 @ 12:17 a.m.

"Obama. He brought a parachute."

Of course he did. I always knew homedawg was too cool not to be a jumper.

Blue Skies, Refry!

;)

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David Dodd July 24, 2009 @ 12:19 a.m.

"Snarky" should be a word. It really should. I mean, it's used a lot in literary circles, but if you put it in a spell-checker, it won't fly. It isn't necessarily a bad word, it's sort of a cross between sarcastic and persnickety.

Speaking of spell-checker, the reader needs to install one for the comments section here, I misspelled "gentlemen" twice. I'm getting a bit sloppy in my old age.

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magicsfive July 24, 2009 @ 12:23 a.m.

hey...just for the record, i got nothing but love for everyone here. sometimes i make an observation or two, but doesn't mean i feel disdain for someone whose opinion i disagree with. it's true. and i like the word snarky. i think the reader's version of spell check is just those red lines underneath a misspelled word. i guess it will have to do for now until the reader decides to upgrade :)

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antigeekess July 24, 2009 @ 12:27 a.m.

""Snarky" should be a word. It really should."

Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis? Snarky is, like, TOTALLY a word:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/snarky

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magicsfive July 24, 2009 @ 12:29 a.m.

well, see, there you go. it's official. snarky IS a word. totally. ;)

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 12:30 a.m.

SD: I haven't read the book, or I'd comment on it. But, what's the book all about? Give us the scoop.

And anti...what was your opinon of Obama saying the cops acted "stupidly." And what's your opinon of cops investigating a burglary call from a neighbor. And a neighbor telling the media "the guy was acting crazy, the cops were calm" (that's not an exact quote, so I can't give the site)

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David Dodd July 24, 2009 @ 12:38 a.m.

Crap. I had no idea that snarky was in. That'll teach me to use MSWord '97... (I know, it ages me, but what the hell).

And magics, I can't imagine anyone here not knowing that you are the very definition of love :)

And Josh, wtf, I write an original joke and you don't comment?!

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antigeekess July 24, 2009 @ 12:39 a.m.

"And anti...what was your opinon of Obama saying the cops acted "stupidly."

I think he should have kept his yap shut.

"And what's your opinon of cops investigating a burglary call from a neighbor."

Sounds normal to me.

"And a neighbor telling the media "the guy was acting crazy, the cops were calm" (that's not an exact quote, so I can't give the site)"

Depends on if it's true or not.

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antigeekess July 24, 2009 @ 12:44 a.m.

"That'll teach me to use MSWord '97..."

Holy crap, dude. Does your computer have a little hand crank on the front?

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 12:57 a.m.

Mine does. It has a hand crank on the front, and a cranky guy typing on it!

Sorry refried. Yeah..I kinda liked your little airplane story/joke. My only problem with it was...it gives Bush more credit than I'd prefer. I'm not a big fan of the dude.

Thanks for answering, anti.

It's funny...because a few talking heads were upset that Obama commented on something, I can't remember what now. It was something like the last episode of Lost. I forgot what, maybe the Tonight Show having Conan. These people said "He needs to stop making himself available to comment on every pop-culture thing going on." But I kinda liked that. It gave that hip factor, a helluva lot more than when Clinton played one of the few goofy songs he knows on the sax, on Arsenio Halls show (side note: what happened to Arsenio? I kinda liked his sense of humor, and only see him on showings of Coming to America on TNT)

I have no problem with a President comment on ANYTHING. I like it.

I just wish he gave a better answer. Why keep his yap shut, just because it might not sound PC? I would've had no problem with him saying: I know Mr. Gates, and find it very hard to believe he would act in any way that would warrant an arrest. And it seems odd that a resident would be arrested for supposedly breaking into his own house. But, we have to assume the police did everything right, just as we assume people arrested and going to trial, get the benefit of being 'innocent until proven guilty'. I know there are some cases in the country, where people get harassed more because they're a minority. And I sure hope this wasn't an example of that."

That would've been the perfect answer. And I came up with it in one minute, at 1:00 a.m.!!!

Speaking of 1:00 a.m....what the hell are we all doing up at this hour?

Since I was at Comic Con today, I'll invoke the words of James Tiberius Kirk and say "Get a life!!!"

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David Dodd July 24, 2009 @ 12:59 a.m.

"Holy crap, dude. Does your computer have a little hand crank on the front?"

Heh. I actually do have some very old computers here. But the one I currently work with is a laptop, a few years old. I just prefer the '97 version I guess. It's the same with Excel, I kick butt with '97 and basically hate anything after that. Software is sort of like tools. You get good with one and it's tough to try and get used to something newer.

I feel like John Henry against that machine, I'd rather die trying to hammer rail spikes by hand than give in to some newfangled device. I like what's comfortable. Next time I type "snarky" into a MSWord document, I'll add it to the dictionary, happily so.

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SDaniels July 24, 2009 @ 1:05 a.m.

"A "spade" a "spade?" Quoi?!?!?"

Lord kill me now.

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antigeekess July 24, 2009 @ 1:08 a.m.

"Get a life!!!"

Let's see...I have a computer, beer, my kitty-cat beside me, and Craiggy on the telly.

That's a life, isn't it?

And, coming from somebody who just spent the day at Comic Con...

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antigeekess July 24, 2009 @ 1:11 a.m.

"Lord kill me now."

Sorry, SD. Couldn't let that one go by. It was too good.

It's okay. Even the Very-Nearly-Perfect make a little faux pas now and then.

;)

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 1:23 a.m.

Oh believe me, anti...I was most definitely, including myself in the "get a life" line.

Please don't tell me you watch Craig Ferguson. He's awful.

Just saw a clip of Obama talking to Nightline. He said he's surprised his comments have created such controversy and he stands by them. He added that he doesn't know why a middle-aged man that uses a cane, would need to be handcuffed.

I guess then, that 70-year-old I saw arrested for child molestation, should've been picked up to go to jail in a nice, comfortable old Buick or Caddy.

Maybe women shouldn't be handcuffed, either. Or at least not petite women, as they aren't much of a risk to hurt anyone.

You're right, anti. Obama should keep his yap shut on this issue.

Going to bed. And anti...I get press passes for Comic Con and write about it for a publication, so that's my excuse. And I'm stickin' to it!

night night.

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SpliffAdamz_ July 24, 2009 @ 9:59 a.m.

No mindy1114 i've run into the police many of times and have gotten plenty of tickets , but i always plead not guilty!!! Out of the twenty tickets i've gotten since 2000 , i've only lost two cases!!! I've never needed a lawyer or public pretender because i've always defended myself against cops , lawyers and public pretenders!!! So i'm fully aware of how the flat foots treat africans!!! The police don't scare me!!! That gun and badge don't scare me!!! I've already been told by the police that dealing with crazy people is part of the job and most cops tend to hide behind their badge!!! It's all about using intimidation to get respect!!! This justice system is corrupt so there is no real justice in amerikkka!!!

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SpliffAdamz_ July 24, 2009 @ 10:06 a.m.

Good looking on showing how racist amerikkka still holds on to it's roots!!!! Your doing a real good job pistolpete proving that amerikkka is still racist!!! I love the videos!!! Me and my relatives are getting a laugh out of them!!!!

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SpliffAdamz_ July 24, 2009 @ 10:08 a.m.

Russl have you woke up yet or you still in the matrix of idiots!??!

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highrockgirl July 24, 2009 @ 10:31 a.m.

  1. If you read Obama's books he wrote before handlers got to him,you will know he does not like white people. read them. He is NOT presidential and is going to destroy the US.

  2. Blacks make up 13% of the population but what % of the crime committed in the US? Go look it up.

  3. The neighbors called the cops;they weren't just driving down the road. Gates followed the cops outside yelling. I would love for them to realize the audio tapes.

  4. I am personally getting sick of every week there is some kind of fabricated racial issue that "offends" blacks. If you are contantly looking to get offended, you will be offended.

  5. I live in a wealthy gated community. White soccer mom. I had a false alarm the other Saturday night, the cops showed up and were jerks....I did NOT say what I was thinking in my mind....I thanked them and vented to my neighbors about what jerks they were. If you scream and yell at cops, they have the authority to do what they need to do. That is life. Stay out of their way or be nice.

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magicsfive July 24, 2009 @ 10:43 a.m.

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thank you refried..that was sweet :)

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 11 a.m.

Spliff: if the system is so "corrupt" as you say, how did you get out of the 18 of 20 tickets you got? Wouldn't you be 0 for 20, as the judge and system, would see you were "black" and find you guilty? (according to your logic)

Thanks for the story, highrock. It's what I tell my black friends when we debate these issues. I've dealt with cops that were jerks to me as well. And I was nothing but nice to them. The cops might be thinking (with your case), the same thing they think with car alarms. "Why can't people figure out how to work these, so we don't get noise complaint calls on them or go out thinking a burglary is in progress." You can never judge WHY a cop might be mad.

I will say this. I think the officer...Crowley is his name I think...should sue gates civily. He can now make a lot of claims against this guy. Maybe give Gates a taste of his own medicine, and sue for having your name dragged thru the mud.

It's obviously too late for the police to NOW charge Gates (which I'm sure they regret, at this point).

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 11:04 a.m.

and highrock...I do think there are times when race still plays a factor in things.

for example, this recent thing at a swimming pool/country club. i forget where.

black kids from an inner city school, signed up for a thing where they go there swimming during the summer. after one day of doing that, the club cancelled, "claiming" they were overbooked, or they didn't realize how many kids there would be.

one little boy named Marcus, the cutest kid you'd ever see, was crying on CNN as he talked about what he heard some of the club members say about him.

i think EVERYONE involved at that country club, should be fired. and I don't buy for a second, that it wasn't racial.

I think the kids were probably being loud...because that's what kids do at swimming pools. and when some club members thought, because of perhaps racist views, that it was because they were minorities....the club just decided to go this direction.

i'm not sure why that story isn't still being talked about. or why that club didn't fire anyone involved that did the wrong thing.

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Russ Lewis July 24, 2009 @ 11:06 a.m.

To #53: I was up till 5:30, and I just got up. Glad to be back here in the matrix of idiots with Spliff at the helm. I see the level of discourse hasn't improved any.

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SpliffAdamz_ July 24, 2009 @ 11:09 a.m.

Sorry i'm not the blind leading the blind!!! So i guess amerikkka is the blind leading you to be blind!?!? OHHHHHHH!!!! And russl say what???

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SpliffAdamz_ July 24, 2009 @ 11:07 a.m.

I mention those shows cause ya boy pistolpete wanted white TV , well there it is!!!! Or you didn't see him blog that??? (#5) Yeah a lot of white shows had/have one black on there but a lot of shows didn't/don't have any!!!! So why don't you ask him "why you blog that you want white TV???" Ask him "what was to be gain by saying that" Don't try and make it seem like i was the one who put that there for know reason!!!! Oh i get it , since you claim i rant you think everyone else doesn't on this web page?!?! Interesting way of thinking!!!! Please explain your narrow mindedness!!!! You really don't have to , narrow minded people are so boring to listen to , but i'll listen!!! Don't want to be called a reverse racist!!! Oh wait i already have!!!!! OHHHHHHHH!!!!

Do you really think a professor wouldn't show his idea to an officer??? This man is a teacher at what , snobvard college i'm pretty sure he has seen more racism in his journey to get where he's at!!! So when the cops ask for idea you damm well better believe he showed it!!!! Only the cops say he didn't show his idea!!! It's their word against his!!! People will side with the cops because amerikkka feels that pigs can do no wrong and everybody black cries racism!!! But when the officers seen his idea , why are they still there questioning him on what he is doing??? If you got a burglary call , i'm the suspect , your at my house of the call , my idea is good , what the f more do you need!?!?!? KICK ROCKS BYTCHES!!!! Your dispatch to the call , the man in question lives at the house , case close!!!! But no you want to stay there to see if he really lives there , you want to ask more question about his actions , you want to arrest his azz on burglary but you can't!!! So you stand there and harass him until you find a bulls azz excuse to arrest him!?!?!? You stand at his house mad that this black man has a better house then you!!!! Boy that's really doing your job as the devils mutt!!!

Yeah he lived in a GHETTO where he wasn't wanted!!! No wonder why they called the cops on him!!! He must have been play his (N) music too loud at 2am while decent working people sleep!!! He must have had to many of his GHETTO friends over while decent people want to sleep!!! He must have had barbecue so much that his neighbor thought it was always black history month!!! Or maybe the people living in that GHETTO was just a bunch of racist people , that don't want colored people living around them!!!!

While you cowards keep crying their is no racism , amerikkka itself keeps proving you wrong!!! NEVER FORGET THIS COUNTRY GOVERNMENT ADOPTED RACISM AND APPLIED IT TO IT'S OWN CITZENS SO THE COULD STAY IN POWER!!!

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Russ Lewis July 24, 2009 @ 11:17 a.m.

Mr. Adamz, I'm sure I'm not the only person here who's wondering just how you show an "idea" to someone.

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rickeysays July 24, 2009 @ 11:19 a.m.

Sgt. James Crowley, who is a police academy expert on racial profiling, responded to Gates' home near Harvard University last week to investigate a report of a burglary and demanded Gates show him identification. Police say Gates at first refused and accused the officer of racism.

"Mister Gates was given plenty of opportunities to stop what he was doing. He didn't. He acted very irrational he controlled the outcome of that event."

"There was a lot of yelling, there was references to my mother, something you wouldn't expect from anybody that should be grateful that you were there investigating a report of a crime in progress, let alone a Harvard University professor."

According to the police report, Crowley asked Gates to talk outside, to which he responded "Yeah, I'll speak with your mama outside."

Josh you nailed it when you compared this incident to the one with Busby. It went down the same way. An old person acts like a jerk to the cops and won't give ID, they end up getting detained, and then they cry prejudice - "I was only detained because I'm (a Democrat) (black)".

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SDaniels July 24, 2009 @ 11:29 a.m.

"Do you really think a professor wouldn't show his idea to an officer??? This man is a teacher at what , snobvard college i'm pretty sure he has seen more racism in his journey to get where he's at!!! So when the cops ask for idea you damm well better believe he showed it!!!!"

Spliff is playing on an alliteration in ID/idea, and punning on the fact that professors indeed do deal in ideas and education.

Josh, I'm not going to give you the dustjacket synopsis. Go to the library and pick it up. Then we'll talk.

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 11:35 a.m.

Russl....I don't think it's a big deal that Spliff put "idea" instead of "ID". Those are the kinds of typos I'm the king of. I'll be the first to admit that. Sometimes your fingers just type the word you're more comfortable or used to typing (we did this in court reporting school all the time).

And I hate to say this...but spliff actually brings up a decent point. PistolPete initially said things I agreed with, but then went on some really racist rants that I didn't want to be a part of. So, I just ignored what pete was saying (whether it was "white TV" or whatever). And, it's really not fair for us to give Spliff crap in getting upset over those things pete wrote. So Spliff, I'm with ya on this one (well, one that one aspect of this).

But really Spliff...I think you just admitted what I've wanted you to for the longest time. You say Gates is a Harvard professor and is smart enough to show ID. Yet, that's what baffles everyone (that is using their brain/common sense). That he didn't.

Instead of saying "Oh wow...cool. My friend and I were trying to break into my door because it was stuck, and I didn't have the right key because I just got back from vacation. But yeah...here's my ID. Sorry you guys had to come out to investigate."

Had those words flowed from Gates mouth, the cops might not have believed him. They might have (and you can't fault a cop for not believing...what is the #1 thing a person says that has stolen a car? "Oh...my friend let me borrow it." so saying you "live there" isn't enough for cops. They want ID. They want to know WHY you were pushing on the door. The answer you can't give is: "It's my damn door, I'll do what I want to it."

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SpliffAdamz_ July 24, 2009 @ 11:35 a.m.

Hey joshb way to contradict your self!! Now joshb believes that racism still plays a factor in amerikkka!?!? One minute you say it don't the next minute you say it do?!?!? When you finally decide what you actually believe and think then speak!!! Please stop spitting out a bunch of BS just to try and look smart!!!! Don't say "i'm tired of hearing blacks say there is still racism!!! They sound like idiots like REV AL SHARPTON and REVOLUTNARY SPLIFFADAMZ" Just so you can turn around and say "i do think at times race still plays a factor in things"!!! There's racism against kids but not adults!?!?! There are racist people at a childrens pool but not in the police force!?!?! Your not the educator on what isn't racism or what it is to be subject to racism!!!! That's the problem with amerikkkans , if you ain't part of the struggle you never be fully able to understand what the struggle is!!!!

The courts are corrupt for everyone i never said they were corrupt against just blacks!!! Please get that foot out your mouth!!!

I win court case cause i stick to the facts and i'm not afraid to stand up to a corrupt system!!! It's nothing special or worth bragging on anyone can do it!!!!

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rickeysays July 24, 2009 @ 11:39 a.m.

As for people like Spliff and apparently Obama, they aren't interested in facts, evidence, or reality. They are going to see what they want to see. Earl Graves, CEO of Black Enterprise magazine said "imagine a white professor, a distinguished white professor at Harvard, walking around with a cane, going into his own house, being harassed or stopped by the police. It would never happen." Yet as we know, it just did in Encinitas. Greg Ridgeway, who has a Ph.D in statistics and studies racial profiling for the RAND research group, said on Monday. "You're never going to be able to (statistically) prove racial profiling. ... There's always a plausible explanation." U.S. Rep. Danny Davis, D-Ill., said that was partly because "when you look at statistics, and you're trying to prove the extent, the information comes back that there's not nearly as much (profiling) as we continue to experience." Wrote Lawrence Bobo, Gates' Harvard colleague, who picked his friend up from jail: "Ain't nothing post-racial about the United States of America." These people will always see what they want to see.

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 11:42 a.m.

Spliff...here's the thing you're not getting. There can be one racist incident. That's hardly indicitive of everything else going on in the country.

You can have one bad cop, and it's not a reflection of the police force in this country.

My liberal, retired lawyer (white lady) friend...she actually believes like you, Spliff. That cops are running around planting evidence and framing people. It seriously baffles my mind, that grown adults that can think, think this way.

I have NO DOUBT that a cop will lie to save his butt. It's one of the reasons I give that cop who shot the Charger credit. He didn't lie, and in the process, made himself look very bad.

But that doesn't mean cops are doing the WRONG thing and then lying about it. Or that they're planting evidence, to bolster their cases. Society just doesn't work that way. It isn't worth it for a cop, to risk losing his job or doing jail time.

Have you seen the footage of that cop stopping the black ambulance driver? This cop is wrong for about 100 reasons. He's right on one...apparently, the ambulance was driving fast and not obeying traffic laws, without it's emergency devices on.

Yet, this cop did a crappy job of evaluating the situation. The black ambulance driver DID A GREAT job of calmly explaining the situation. The victim in the ambulance had family, that also calmly explained the situation. And this cop went nuts, started choking people. His butt should be fired, and possibly in jail, for having so much attitude in this situation.

But, I don't immediately jump to a conclusion that was based on race. It was based on a stupid cop who wasn't doing his job well. Who is to say that same thing wouldn't have happened with a white ambulance driver?

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 11:50 a.m.

In defense of African-Americans, I saw a black guy on Fox News last night (I don't usually watch Fox News, for obvious reasons). He does something on NPR. I LOVED his take on all this.

He went on and on about how wrong Obama was. He went on and on about how he told his son, "you button your lip when the cop questions you. they might be having a bad day, or whatever. you just do what you're told."

He also spoke about what would happen if the cop didn't fully investigate this "burglary call" and something bad happened to Mr. Gates. Then everyone would be screaming about the cops doing a bad job.

THAT is exactly what I want to see in these situations. People not judging based on color, but on the story, and who is wrong and who is right.

And from all we know about this story (the report, by the way, was done by a Mexican police officer...stating that Gates acted in this manner) -- GATES WAS WRONG, THE POLICE WERE RIGHT.

And, what should even further pacify everyone regarding this: THE POLICE DID NOT CHARGE AN ANGRY MAN THAT WAS MAKING THE COPS JOB DIFFICULT.

Had they charged him, I'm sure "charges" of racism would be filed. Instead, the police said "Okay...it was a misunderstanding. Things could've been handled different. Maybe next time Gates will realize, you answer police questions."

And lastly....that same house (or building) was broken into fairly recently (so they said on CNN)

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SpliffAdamz_ July 24, 2009 @ 11:52 a.m.

highonrockgirl!!! Please explain how blacks are looking to get offended!?!? I don't think anyone wakes up looking forward to getting offended!!! So enlighten me on how blacks are looking to be offended!!!

Wow blacks make up only 13% of amerikkka population!??! Lets see that's 1% for the military!!! 1% for college!!! 1% having regular jobs!!! 1% for the entertainment business!!! 3% in sports!!! 1% with no jobs!!! 5% behind bars!!! That was easy!!!! i might be off , but that looks close enough!!!!

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 11:55 a.m.

SD...to think that Spliff was purposely making a pun, is giving that man WAY more credit then one should.

Why would I pick up a book by an angry racist? Just as I wouldn't read a David Duke book, or something written by Rev. Wright.

Because, this is a guy that is claiming the police harassed him. ANYTHING he writes, might be complete BS. He obviously makes up facts, to support his case.

But just the fact that you've read his book....tells me why you are often biased when claims of racism are thrown out.

You can't always believe the claims of a handful of people.

I just rented Do the Right Thing the other day. I saw it in the theatres, and had mixed feelings about it. But thought it was time to revisit it after reading an interesting interview with Spike Lee (a racist) in the LA Times.

I was surprised that Lee doesn't understand why whites think his character was wrong to throw a trash can thru a window, inciting a riot. Yet black people aren't bothered by that scene and have never asked him about it.

That, right there, tells me all I need to know about Spike Lee.

And I'm sure Gates is right there with him.

I'm guessing, to both Lee and Gates, the riots after the Rodney King verdict were "justified".

So, unless you can give us a good reason to read any drivel written by this man...we're not going to be skipping down to the library to pick up a copy.

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rickeysays July 24, 2009 @ 12:18 p.m.

Sd want to tell us now that he MEANT to use "explanation" marks here, (it's exclamation, Spliff) because he's "explaining" things to us?

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SpliffAdamz_ July 24, 2009 @ noon

russl i'm glad you pointed out my spelling!!! It's a habit of mine always misspelling words!!! I'm glad you can talk about the minor things in life and not the real s***!!! That seems like your style!!! You sure you don't want to comment on why i use explanation and question marks all the time!??!

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 12:35 p.m.

I'm off to Comic Con. I'll be more involved in the debate later tonight. But, I just heard the funniest thing on Headline News.

A few African-Americans have been siding with the police. Okay, that's great there.

But then one called in and said "Yeah, racial profiling was going on. But by the neighbor, not by the police!" The newscaster said "That's a very good point!"

Uh, hate to break it to you...but, it's certainly better than assuming the cops were wrong, but not by much. Because, what that woman fails to realize is....

IT IS NOT NORMAL for a person to try to push down the door to their home. And, IT IS NOT NORMAL for a person to do this, with another person helping them.

This, to anyone, would look suspicious. NOT the fact that Gates is black. But that two men (of any color) are trying to get into a door, that they OBVIOUSLY don't have a key to.

Another black woman called in and said "Why should Obama be told to apologize? Why hasn't that cop apologized to Gates?"

Well...again, nothing for the police to have to apologize for. Do the cops apologize to us when we go 88 mph on the freeway and get pulled over?

Is this so hard for people to understand, including Obama? He's now making yet another statement on the matter, saying everyone needs to step back, and saying that past involvement of cops and the African-American community have caused problems and yadda yadda yadda. That's irrelevant to any of this. UNLESS, your point is to show why Gates walks thru life as "angry black man," and how maybe someone in such a prominent position at Harvard, should chill out and learn how to deal with situations.

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SpliffAdamz_ July 24, 2009 @ 12:42 p.m.

How am i not concerned with facts evidence and reality!?!? When i only tell the truth on how this country started and what it is still doing!!! While cowards like rickeysays(dumber) hides from the truth like vampires run from the sun light!!! Here's a fact for ya "THE GOVERNMENT OF AMERIKKKA ADOPTED THE IDEALISM OF RACISM AND USE IT AGAINST THE CITIZENS HERE!!!" So since you are so into knowing the facts more then me , kizz my facts!!!!

Na pistolpete didn't get me mad , in fact i got to give him credit!!! At least he admitted he is a racist!!!! I have more respect for those who admit who they are and where they stand , then those who try to hide behind mask and hold on to views and ideas!!! Or those who switch sides to just make a point!!!

Should i say IDs??? russl is my spelling ok for ya??? Since you my new editor!!! Should i spell ok or okay which one is easy for you to understand?!?!

joshb if "you can't always believe the claims of a handful of people" Why you believe the police all the time!?!? Why you think they can do no wrong!?!? And please explain how blacks are racist for pointing out racism they are being subject to!?!?! I still haven't seen you explain that one , so why you still calling blacks racist!?!?! Just because you are a cop don't mean you won't do unjust things to people!!! Cops are regular citizens just doing a job , that don't mean they are good people in heart!!! Priest are suppose to be good and holy people , yet a lot of them molest little kids!!! People are going to do what they want to do no matter what job or image they have to uphold!!! If you got the law on your side you can do what ever you want and not worry about getting caught!!! Because to many people that have never been subject to foul play by police can't understand that cops are corrupt!!!

Just because whites have a problem about some part in a film don't mean everyone else has to!!! You might as well say that with racism!!! How is it that blacks are subjected to racism , but whites don't understand it!!! Oh wait i get it white is right while blacks just rant on and on about racism!!! What da f*** is dat all about!?!?!

But what was they going to charge gates for??? Yelling at an officer at his place of residence??? Or maybe profanity cause he told them to get the "f*** out of here"??? Profanity a ticket i just recently beat here in $D!!!

Man it's so funny to see amerikkka past coming back to byte them in the azz!!!

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Russ Lewis July 24, 2009 @ 12:43 p.m.

Actually, Mr. Adamz, I can talk about the "real" s and the not-so-real s and enjoy both; I just prefer to express myself in clear, proper English that isn't work to decipher -- at least when I want to be understood. And no, I don't admire inarticulateness. And I don't believe that a person who makes the particular mistakes that you do as routinely as you do is making them purposely. If you want to be proud of this, fine. Keep telling yourself they make you look smarter.

Back to work now. I'm done, Mr. Adamz. Say what thou wilt.

P.S.: Don't I get to be called a racist too?

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SpliffAdamz_ July 24, 2009 @ 12:58 p.m.

Only if you are!!! I've been called racist for pointing out how amerikkka still practices racism!!! Go figure!!!!

Apparently you understand everything cause you reading what i type and responding to it!!! DORK MAN!!!!

And russl says what???

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rickeysays July 24, 2009 @ 1:32 p.m.

Edwin Dorn, a former dean of the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas and author of Rules and Racial Equality, said the magnitude of the Gates arrest can be understood through the reactions from blacks and whites.

"If one conducts a survey, one will find that overwhelmingly blacks feel that this was an example of something that is part of their DNA — police discrimination, oppression, racial profiling. It's likely that you'll find a much larger percentage of whites believing, just instantly, that it was Gates who behaved intemperately," Dorn said. "It's an example of how the races still view things very differently."

He said whites are far more likely than blacks to believe that police officers arriving at their doorstep are likely to do the right thing. Far from the case, Dorn said, for blacks.

LIKE I SAID PREVIOUSLY, THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT'S REAL. JUST IN PERPETUATING THE MYTH.

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rickeysays July 24, 2009 @ 1:36 p.m.

On a lighter note:

After the President talked to Officer Crowley, apologizing for his choice of words, Obama said Crowley joked that maybe he and Gates could have a beer in the White House some day.

"We don't know if that's scheduled yet," Obama said, adding that Crowley also asked if the president could do something about getting reporters off his lawn.

"I informed him I couldn't get the press off my lawn." Obama said.

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Sunny92101 July 24, 2009 @ 1:48 p.m.

Spliff, smoke a spliff already and calm down. Please if you hate AMERIKKA (btw your grammer/spelling sucks) please by all means, leave this country and go somewhere else where you think you will feel appreciated. I for one, will not be saddened by your voyage to other lands.

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highrockgirl July 24, 2009 @ 2:01 p.m.

North Carolina State University does intensive studies throughout the country on racial profiling...very diverse...across the board studies. Blacks are pulled over LESS percentage wise for their wise than whites. AND pulled over ever LESS during the DAY where an officer can see skin color. Do your own research. Furthermore, Obama is completely degracing the presidency. Does the man have to get on TV every second of the day? Last note, has anyone forgotten the Duke Lacross Case,the white couple that was attacked by a group of black teenagers, the UNC-Chapel Hill student body president brutally killed by two black criminals....my point,what is whites started reacting to these incidents like the black communities does sometimes....I think racial tensions are getting worse not better which is odd because blacks have so many more advantages today.

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David Dodd July 24, 2009 @ 2:09 p.m.

"LIKE I SAID PREVIOUSLY, THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT'S REAL. JUST IN PERPETUATING THE MYTH."

I don't know, Ricky. Dorn's statement isn't based on what's real or what isn't, it's based on perception. If a black person feels that they are not treated fairly by the authorities, it creates an automatic reaction to the presence of such authority. Using Tijuana as an example, many gringos feel that the cops single them out. It might be true, but the irrelevance to that truth is in how they react when confronted by a Tijuana cop. In other words, even if it isn't true, or true enough to be a real issue, the reaction is often based on the perception.

Did the arresting officer deal with Gates any differently because of the color of Gates' skin? Perhaps. Or perhaps not. Did Gates deal with the officer differently because Gates is black and the cop is white? Definitely. Was Gates wrong to deal with the officer in this way? Nope. He did so based on his perceptions of how the officer was dealing with him and how he perceives that white officers deal with black citizens.

Pretending that race profiling is no longer as widespread and prevalent as it once was, it is still going to take years until the perception fades. And the fact that some race profiling still does occur does nothing to help fade that perception.

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SDaniels July 24, 2009 @ 2:27 p.m.

Actually, rickey, your post #77 sums up nicely the discrepancies in interpretation--excepting your own flaming caps at the end, which don't really follow.

One might instead ask a simple question ("Why?"), leading to an extremely complex set of situations, tangled up with all of our ideological readings of history and social change--in other words, what kinds of myths are we all perpetuating--for no one is the holy arbiter of truth here, with the "correct" interpretation?

Also, what makes it so extremely important to fall back on the idea of Blacks exploiting the system, time and time again? What do you stand to lose ideologically?

highrockgirl, you have already admitted being a soccer mom who remains behind the gates of your safe community. I'm not sure you have much perspective on race relations to share, but you do certainly seem to have some crumbling ideological biases in need of serious suppport. You should ask yourself why the Gates situation is allowing you to feel such triumph. You should also provide a link and a context for your statistics, if you would like others to consider them with any degree of credibility.

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highrockgirl July 24, 2009 @ 2:55 p.m.

You can do a simple google search to find any of the stats. Please do. Race relations...I adopted a child of color and get the stares when I am out in public. My child will face certain things in her life because she is dark skinned. Is she going to use that as a excuse, no. In fact, my white male son will have to make better grades and have a better transcript than she will to get into a great college. We often joke about "checking the box" when she applies for college. We celebrate her biological background. I live in a gated community because my husband and I have worked our butts off, saved money, and built our dream home.

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SDaniels July 24, 2009 @ 2:58 p.m.

Welcome to...Josh's Big Jump to Conclusions:

"Why would I pick up a book by an angry racist? Just as I wouldn't read a David Duke book, or something written by Rev. Wright."

I don't know why you would. I also don't know how you've clearly identified Prof. Gates as an angry racist, or dismissed his body of work. I have a feeling that you probably haven't even bothered to google him or his work--or is that just me jumping to conclusions? Again, a sad state of affairs...

"But just the fact that you've read his book....tells me why you are often biased when claims of racism are thrown out."

I'm not sure what you're referring to here. I have not given my opinion on the Gates situation, and don't know what you mean by my "frequent bias when claims of racism are thrown out." Perhaps you can lead me to some quotations in past 'discussions' to show what you mean.

You agreed with something that pistolpete initially had to say? What was that, if you don't mind saying? I hope you are not surprised at who your new friends are--but they certainly seem to feel warm and cozy on your threads.

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SDaniels July 24, 2009 @ 3:08 p.m.

highrockgirl wrote: "You can do a simple google search to find any of the stats."

Actually, there are many stats out there, and I have access to more databases than most bloggers. If you want us to examine the exact source of your evidence, you must give us a link.

Good for you hrg. I admire those who work hard and reap benefits for themselves. That was a bit of a low blow on my part, but couldn't resist. If you look into cultural studies themes, you'll find a 'gated community' mentality that is parsed in especial detail, along with plenty of other shaky ideological positions. (I also couldn't resist the play on gates and structures).

The fact is, and as you are well aware, your child will have to deal with racial profiling sometime in her life, as she cannot stay behind your community walls forever--despite being graced with and protected by white privilege--as clearly, as as you are likely aware, most darkskinned people are not.

She probably already has experienced curious but wounding questions, as well as bias, but it sounds like she has some amazing support behind her, and will hightail it to college where she is safest in this society.

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SDaniels July 24, 2009 @ 3:15 p.m.

"As for people like Spliff and apparently Obama, they aren't interested in facts, evidence, or reality."

Rickey, it's amazing how some words blithely stream out from your fingertips.

I'm still holding my breath to hear your narrative of how Western Civilization and the US put a stop to slavery and racism...

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David Dodd July 24, 2009 @ 3:18 p.m.

highrockgirl, I read your response a bunch of times, and there are a lot of typos so if I get something you said wrong, you'll have to correct me.

"I think racial tensions are getting worse not better which is odd because blacks have so many more advantages today."

Then, if blacks have so many advantages, why do you perceive that there are racial tensions? In other words, if there was true equality, then there would be a perception of true equality. I don't think it's odd, I think it's proof that racism, while certainly better than it was thirty years ago, still exists.

"In fact, my white male son will have to make better grades and have a better transcript than she will to get into a great college. We often joke about "checking the box" when she applies for college. We celebrate her biological background."

Think about what you're typing here. Does it signify equality? Does it define that races are equal? If they were, there would be no need for boxes. Race wouldn't matter. Why are such programs needed? In other words, you're sort of killing your own argument by claiming that people of color have an advantage because of the programs put into place to give them a chance at achievement. If society was really playing on a level playing field racially, such programs would not be necessary.

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 6:03 p.m.

Spliff: I don't believe the police all the time. In fact, when I first heard the Gates story, for about 2 minutes I was on his side. When police dropped the charges, I figured it was because they were doing the usual cop thing -- acting like jerks and barking orders, at a well-respected professor of Harvard. Then I heard the rest of the story.

And if you got a ticket for profanity...you are insane. Who gets a ticket for that? Oh wait, a Raiders fan. But seriously...who walks around cursing up a storm, and getting ticketed for that?

Living in a gated community doesn't mean someone has less credibility than someone living in a ghetto, on race issues. SD, you are white. Do you think your views are less important than Elders? (a black man who feels completely different than you on racial issues and blacks in America)

You ask what I agreed with Pete on, as it's crazy for me to agree with him on anything. Well, I agreed with him on this:

-- Gates getting to know his neighbors (so they don't call the cops on him when he tries breaking down his door with a friend)

-- Being tired of the hypocritical BS.

-- Gates being asked for his ID several times.

-- Life goes on.

(are those enough points for ya?)

You say you didn't state your opinion on the Gates matter. Well, why is that? Is it because it would KILL YOU to side with cops over a prominent black man? Or, is it because you are naive enough to believe Gates idiotic story on what happened?

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 6:13 p.m.

On CBS news I just heard Obama speak. It's great that he talked to Sgt. Crowley. And (sort of) retracted some of his statement. But it's yet another time that he mentioned that this may have happened because blacks are sensitive in America, to how they are treated by cops. YET...why in the world...did he not mention, that it's because of his friends like Gates? Not just because of cops bad treatment, but guys like Gates treating cops with disrespect?

Obama says blacks are sensitive to these things. Well, guess what, Mr. President? Maybe cops are sensitive to pulling up to a crime scene and having people show attitude. Whether that's from the perp of the crime, or a regular citizen that doesn't like being questioned simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Ya know, Gates had just got back from a trip to China. It makes me wonder...what happens when they ask for his passport at the airport? Does he start screaming:

What! A black man can't travel? Do you think I'm a drug runner? Well, the only thing in my suitcase is your mamas underwear!"

Instead of Gates and others wondering why people ask for ID, passports, drivers license, etc...think about people doing their job for peanuts. A job that requires them asking for these things.

It all reminds me of that African-American woman who worked somewhere in D.C. She's some high level politician and didn't like being asked to show her badge (which is supposed to be worn at all times in the Pentagon building, but she didn't have it on). She got angry because she said the woman at the desk "should've recognized her." And she claimed it was a racist situation, too.

Now, SD...when stories like this happen, do you realize why people in the "gated community" make judgements on racism and WHO create the real problems in these disagreements?

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SDaniels July 24, 2009 @ 6:13 p.m.

Josh wrote: "Do you think your views are less important than Elders?"

Uh, when did I give the impression they were? I don't think you know what my views are, anyway.

Josh wrote: Is it because it would KILL YOU to side with cops over a prominent black man? Or, is it because you are naive enough to believe Gates idiotic story on what happened?

I don't need to "side" with anyone. As I've remarked before, that's a particular problem of yours, the need to pit your outdated views of society and history against what you perceive to be their opposites. I guess that's the only way you know or wish to know to generate definitions and positions.

Btw, I am at this point pretty sick of you calling me and others "stupid," "idiotic," and "naive," etc. Why don't you just stick to the issues-- if you can?

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 6:13 p.m.

Incorrect?

Well, provide your exact source.

hehehehehehehehehehe

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SDaniels July 24, 2009 @ 6:21 p.m.

Oh...and "insane," too. Pretty tired of that, too.

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 6:21 p.m.

I will stick to the issues, but the problem is two-fold. First, you come off like your opinions are so much more valued than, say, someone in a gated community. Or someone that hasn't had the education you have. Or someone who hasn't "seen" what you've seen the police do.

If you want to stick to the issues, well...let's start by hearing where you side on Gates vs the police in this one.

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SDaniels July 24, 2009 @ 6:22 p.m.

This is pretty low for you. Are you not well?

"Incorrect?

Well, provide your exact source.

hehehehehehehehehehe"

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SDaniels July 24, 2009 @ 6:24 p.m.

"First, you come off like your opinions are so much more valued than..."

Watch out, your insecurity is showing.

"the problem is two-fold..."

and the second problem was?

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 6:30 p.m.

How was that low? You wanted a source from a poster on here...so I made a joke.

I don't have an insecure bone in my body. Hell, I tell people I meet, that every writer at the Reader can write circles around me. What other writer would do that? (I might think some of them bore the hell out of me, but they can sure write better than me)

All I know is...I've debated with you before. And you've done that normal chick move where you get emotional, and are not rational.

You also made an incorrect statement. And when I corrected it (In ref to the Woody Allen movie), you try to say that you "knew that," when it was clear you didn't. And a few minutes later, you said "Okay...well, even if I didn't know that..."

It's you, that is insecure. So worried about what you did or didn't know about a Woody Allen screenplay. When really, who cares? Some people know things about some subjects, some about others.

I'm willing to bet, on 98% of subjects out there, you know more than me. I'm not insecure in admitting that.

Unfortunately, in terms of race relations and how people are treated in this country, that's one of the 2% I got ya on.

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SDaniels July 24, 2009 @ 6:34 p.m.

"How was that low? You wanted a source from a poster on here...so I made a joke."

The topic was my own racial profile. You asked me, in extremely bad taste, to produce my "source."

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SDaniels July 24, 2009 @ 6:36 p.m.

"You also made an incorrect statement. And when I corrected it (In ref to the Woody Allen movie), you try to say that you "knew that," when it was clear you didn't. And a few minutes later, you said "Okay...well, even if I didn't know that...""

Okay, everyone, listen up: If you do go out with Josh anywhere, beware that he might include private conversations you've had with him on his public threads. Worse--he includes his own interpretation of them.

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highrockgirl July 24, 2009 @ 7:02 p.m.

SD---I have a confession....I actually live on the coast of North Carolina. I came across this blog today and enjoyed the conversation... The racial profiling stats to which I was referring were given on a N.C. radio station. I was driving and could not get the exact website. It was a study out of NC State University. I, however, googled "racial profiling" and many sites popped up that support what I said. Go look for yourself. Every state seems to do a study of this type each year. Have you not ever looked up info like this? I don't think we realize how great our country actually is....right now in Africa, there is genocide going on between "black" ethnic/tribal groups just because you were born into a particular group. Do any of you remember the Serbia/Kosovo ethnic cleasing in the 90's? How about the treatment of women in Muslim countries? My daughter is adopted from Guatemala. She is a Mayan Indian. Hundreds and thousands of Mayan Indians were killed and buried in mass graves in the 80's and 90's. The sex slave trade in Thailand? There will always be racial prejudice in the history of mankind. It is just as much black against white and white against black in our country. The difference in our country is every person is given a chance to improve him/herself and do better. You are given a free preschool,public school, we feed you lunch,check your teeth,vision,give you books and computers to use, beg your parents to get involve. Go to the emergency room and you DON'T have to pay it back. Free community health clinics....I could go on and on. So the cops ask you for your ID, it racial. A private pool tell some kids they can't swim because it is too crowded, it is racial. A rouge talk show host will say some crude comment, it is racial. We are so busy being offended and in the meantime, China and India are kicking our butts in the economy.

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PistolPete July 24, 2009 @ 8:14 p.m.

Bingo highrockgirl! I'm not racist. I AM however not politically correct. I grew up in the 'burbs of Chicago yet spent many years with the gang drama on the South Side. I got to know the gangbangers as people. Once I got to know them,I'd be honest with them. I knew they weren't as stupid as people made them out to be. I'd tell 'em "Look....I know what you do is wrong(rape,murder,drug dealing,pimping,carjacking,etc,etc) but I don't care. I like YOU for YOU regardless of the drama that is happening in your life. I don't give a f--k who you rob or kill unless it's someone related to me." I did this because I didn't want them to judge me for the color of my skin. I played bones with them. I drank the 40s of Colt 45 and the Boone's Farm/Mad Dog 20/20 with them. I didn't ask them to not be themselves around me in case it offended my lily-white sensibilities. One time,I asked some friends on the South Side if I could bring some of my white friends around. They joked and said things like"There goes the neighborhood" and it was all in fun. We were sitting there on the front porch(about 10 of us) and all of a sudden,shots ring out about 200 feet away. The South Side gangbangers ducked and reached for their pistols,my white friends ducked and damn near s--t their pants and there I stood,scared inside but refusing to show fear. I've walked through Cabrini Green and lived to tell the the tale. My friends,both black & white thought I was insane(I kind of was but for a different reason then they were thinking). I figured 2 things would happen. 1-I'll get shot and killed by a high powered rifle or 2-they will think that I'm either crazy as a look or I'm a Chicago cop undercover(You DON'T want to f--k with a Chicago cop. Black,white,brown,yellow,red or blue. It's NOT recommended). I walked from one side of the ghetto to the other never really looking anyone straight in the eye.

Spliff,if you act like a ni--er,I'm going to treat you like a ni--er. Plain & simple. I have nothing but love for all humans. But like a parent who loves his children,I will be strict to show that love. Not once did I ever tell my friends on the South Side to not use ebonics,smoke chronic or listen to lame rap music around me. I was vacationing in THEIR neck of the woods. I have many white friends. I have many minority friends. I tell them straight out,if you talk like a retard,I'm going to make fun of you like a retard. When I go their houses,they can say what they want. HOUSE RULES,Spliff!

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PistolPete July 24, 2009 @ 8:14 p.m.

I'm not racist until I'm given a reason to be racist. THAT'S human nature. Professor Gates was being a ni--er that night. That black Senator who refuses to show her badge at the Capitol was a ni--er that day. Harry Alford was acting like a complete ni--er the day he argued with Senator Boxer and Rodney King definetely was being a ni--er(although I do agree that the honkey cops had no right to beat on him & I'm actually proud of the blacks in L.A. rioting that day). It's for black America to live & let live. Quit looking for things that offend you. There are two things that offend me in this world-baby rapers and snuff films. Everything else is f--king gravy.

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 10:14 p.m.

Well Pete, the problem I have with your statement about the riots in LA because you don't like the verdict in Rodney King...what does damanging store owners property, that had NOTHING to do with the legal decision, or the cops beating King? And looting their products?

If you want to go picket, do a million man march, or any kind of "protest", that's one thing. But to riot is wrong.

And SD, if I got that story wrong, you can gladly correct it here.

(didn't think so)

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 10:21 p.m.

highrock: I loved all your points thus far, but I do believe that swimming pool incident did involve race. The pool claims it ONLY has to do with the amount of kids that went to the pool, and how that many couldn't attend. But the problem with that logic is -- when they signed up, they said how many kids they had. So why all of the sudden, do they have a problem with that number? And yes, I know they also dropped some white groups of children from the pool, but still. Something sounds fishy about it.

And, with that Sgt. being named Crowley, it seems like someone can do a parody of that Ozzy Osbourne song Mr. Crowley. I don't know enough of the lyrics to attempt it.

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Josh Board July 24, 2009 @ 11:32 p.m.

I can say "internet"...I just can't use it.

I looked at the lyrics to the Ozzy song, and it's five minutes before Conan, so here goes my attempt to change them to this:

Sgt. Crowley, what went down at Harvard? (Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you talk to a turd?

Being a cop can be so tragic You're supposed to stop crimes without questioning Fools think it's like magic (Yeah)You went on Gates neighbors call....

Mr. Charming, did Obama think he was, this time? Mr. Alarming, his PR people had to be revived Uncovering things that Gates said about mamas Obama back-pedeled about racial tensions, he claims they still manifest this Earth

But it's really no secret That his friend played the race card, now's weepin'

(guitar solo...as to not be considered racist, I'll drop dead white guitarist Randy Rhodes, for the much more talented dead black guitarist, Jimi Hendrix)

Sgt. Crowley, did you give Gates a ride in your black and white? Sgt. Crowley, was he yelling he was right? Approaching his tenure at Harvard He really wants to be heard.... But why doesn't he realize he was wrong? Maybe I'll send him this song!

(bass solo this time...I'll use talented local Nathan East, another wonderful African-American musician I dig)

Was it a political bent? I wanna know what you meant When you talked about his badge number and his mom Did your mom raise you wrong? I wanna know what you meant, yeah!

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antigeekess July 24, 2009 @ 11:42 p.m.

A scientific expedition disembarks from its plane at the final outpost of civilization in the deepest Amazon rain forest. They immediately notice the ceaseless thrumming of native drums. As they venture further into the bush, the drums never stop, day or night, for weeks.

The lead scientist asks one of the natives about this, and the native's only reply is "Drums good. Drums never stop. Very BAD if drums stop." The drumming continues, night and day, until one night, six weeks into the trip, when the jungle is suddenly silent.

Immediately the natives run screaming from their huts, covering their ears. The scientists grab one boy and demand "What is it? The drums have stopped!" The terror-stricken youth replies "Yes! Drums stop! VERY BAD!" The scientists ask "Why? Why? What will happen?"

Wild-eyed, the boy responds, " . . . BASS SOLO!!!"

http://www.clefhangers.org/Miscellaneous%20Jokes.htm

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Josh Board July 25, 2009 @ 2:04 a.m.

anti: that joke rocked!

Pistol...you seriously think the government spent $25 million to train a pilot? I doubt it.

But that being said...if a pilot in the military lost his job because he was gay, that sucks (no pun intended).

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PistolPete July 25, 2009 @ 11:58 a.m.

It's nice to know that censorship is alive and well on the internet. I sleep so much better at nightrolls eyes. Sandy Eggo,you deserve EVERYTHING that comes your way and I will laugh my balls off when it does.

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SDaniels July 25, 2009 @ 12:44 p.m.

Josh whined: "All I know is...I've debated with you before. And you've done that normal chick move where you get emotional, and are not rational."

Oh, Josh. Is that all you can come up with? You pull the "emotional chick" retort every time you can't think of a better response to a woman. You are really reaching here.

If I seemed a little irked that night (uh, emotional and not rational is quite a stretch of interpretation), it was because you insisted, in typical bad taste, on bringing up the "cop topic" with me in person over coffee, and on attempting to "test" me with it. This is right after you inundated my inbox with crap about cops, after I clearly wrote over and over that it was not a very useful topic to raise with me. It was easy to see what you were doing, trying to bate me with the topic, likely after telling your girlfriend 'Oh hey, watch this--I'll bring up the cop stuff and you tell me what you think of her reaction.' Not cool.

I guess there is very little of substance in your "f- off" arsenal, as well as your conversational arsenal, so you resort to the following:

Josh confided: "You also made an incorrect statement. And when I corrected it (In ref to the Woody Allen movie), you try to say that you "knew that," when it was clear you didn't. And a few minutes later, you said "Okay...well, even if I didn't know that...""

When I first met you, you went out of your way to assure that anything we spoke about in private (in person or on email) was off limits for your public threads. I appreciated that at the time, and saw it as honorable, but see now that it is not true at all. Once you revealed something private about me on accident, and wrote to apologize. Now you do it with aplomb. Perhaps you make a habit of this, or perhaps you felt so desperate for a comeback that you just had to share this with your readers.

For the record, since you've dragged it here: This all happened over a month ago, and I already responded to your attempt to attack me on private email--so it's mighty odd that you felt you had to bring it out here. During that original conversation, after seeing the film together, I commented that Woody's theme of younger woman/much older man seemed to be derived from autobiographical sources, as are many of his themes. You said that the script predated his relationship with his adopted stepdaughter. I said that it didn't matter in this case; I've read Woody Allen's early writings from the 70s (you admitted you hadn't read any of his writings) and do know that his stuff is highly autobiographical. I asked if you thought his attraction to much younger women just popped out of nowhere, or whether it might be a lifelong preoccupation, informing his writing in different ways? You agreed that that could be the case. The end.

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SDaniels July 25, 2009 @ 12:45 p.m.

Later, you emailed me and tried to say exactly what you're accusing me of doing here; that I somehow tried to "play off" knowing something about Woody Allen that I didn't. I answered you as I did above. It doesn't really matter to me what you think personally, but it does matter that you seem willing to sacrifice whatever shreds of journalistic integrity you might have once had (emphasis on "might"), as well as being all too ready to betray friendship.

If you knew me a little better, you'd understand that I am not someone who tries to pretend to know what she doesn't. Something as trivial as whether or not I googled to see exactly when Allen wrote the script for his latest film? Please. It is amusing that you had to start snapping your jaws at something this trivial, and sacrifice what you did, in order to scramble up with some triumphant little rag of an accusation. 'See! She's insecure!'

The content of our private discussion may not be of great interest to your new and old commenters, but the fact that you can and will betray them for some pathetic "content" on your blogs--should they get to know you personally--might be of interest to them.

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Josh Board July 25, 2009 @ 4:51 p.m.

You left out the part about Woody Allen, where you insisted the young Asian girl that Larry Davids character was teaching chess, had something to do with Allens stepdaughter (which again, the written script pre-dated). Not to mention, they showed him teaching chess to an African-American, and a white kid. So, I don't really think it showed anything.

And second, when I tell someone that personal stuff won't be blog topics, I mean that. Which means I wouldn't bring anything up about things you've SPECIFICALLY asked me not to, or any medical conditions, or a number of other things that a person obviously won't care to have discussed.

But when someone comes on my blog, and says I'm racist, insecure, or brings up that idiot writer from another publication....and, let's go even farther back.

You wrote about that night all of the bloggers were meeting up at The Field. You didn't check with me first to see if I was cool with any of the things you wrote (that my stepbrother had a "severe haircut"), or that I gave you a card and wrote something sweet in it, or that listening to me talk is like swithcing TV channels.

So, why is it different for you than I?

I'm sorry you felt that I whispered to my girlfriend "watch this...I'll really get her going." I brought up the police thing, because something at the time came up that made me think of it.

I'm used to thinking "adults" can talk about things like the police, racism, movies, relationships, cupcakes, loud motorcycles...without one flying off the handle!

Maybe you're just used to students over the internet that don't talk back, and therefore you've forgotten what it's like to have normal give-and-take in conversation. It's possible...because the time we talked cinema on the phone, you spent 30 minutes going on about Japanese films and every time I waited for a pause to bring up a few films, there either wasn't one or you'd immediately interrupt.

Pete: I didn't delete that post, but I did read it before it got removed. Don't you think it was a little out of line?

I mean, even someone like Spliff knows how to spell the words to get around the censors!

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Josh Board July 25, 2009 @ 4:58 p.m.

Also SD, you mention being sick of me calling you and other people "stupid" "idiotic" or "naive". I think naive is the only thing I implied in this thread. And, you've yet to prove otherwise.

And us hurtful as that word may be, I can't think of another one to use, for someone that is siding with Gates over the cops on this issue.

Although, you haven't really admitted what side your on in this debate. You're just debating me. I'm not sure what that's all about.

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rickeysays July 25, 2009 @ 5:07 p.m.

Sd and refried, it seems like your attitude (judging from your posts) is that all perspectives are equally valid, that no one is, or can be, right or wrong. That if you think something, if you have a perspective or make a judgement, that it comes from the accumulated experience of your life and is therefore just as valid as anyone elses. I've heard this kind of thinking before, and it's nonsense. Some things are either true or not, right or wrong. This is why I'd rather not have Pistol Pete on my side. He talks about his "enlightened" attitudes about blacks, but to me it sounds like "stockholm syndrome". This is a guy who's completely lost his perspective. As for sd and refried, the fact that blacks think racism exists doesn't therefore make their idiotic behavior valid. It makes them wrong. They're behaving based on a false assumption, proceeding from an invalid premise. To say that their perceptions (right or wrong) validate things like the LA riots is insane (sorry sd, but the word fits).

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David Dodd July 25, 2009 @ 5:59 p.m.

"Sd and refried, it seems like your attitude (judging from your posts) is that all perspectives are equally valid, that no one is, or can be, right or wrong."

Opinions are not right or wrong. You can break an opinion down to a logic equation and attempt to prove or disprove it. It's easy to prove that racism still exists. It's also easy to prove that it exists much less now than it did perhaps twenty years ago. But to marginalize racism by proclaiming it to be irrelevant is easy to prove to be an illogical opinion. My point was and is that the perception of racism heightens its reality.

"Some things are either true or not, right or wrong."

Sure. The existence of God, the designated hitter, and using saffron rather than yellow food coloring in paella are great examples of true or not, right or wrong. But racism - and, in fact - most human behavior, is judged by our own perceptions and our own rationality.

"As for sd and refried, the fact that blacks think racism exists doesn't therefore make their idiotic behavior valid. It makes them wrong. They're behaving based on a false assumption, proceeding from an invalid premise."

Well, first you have to define idiotic behavior. It's funny, just today a friend of mine on the East Coast wrote a piece that is a good example. This friend is in construction, and he was called out to quote a retoration project on an old house. The house is beautiful, but in need of repair. He took a tour. It was obvious that the people that owned it had money. He gave them a quote (he isn't cheap and he's an exceptional craftsman), and they accepted.

The next day, he showed up to do some stuff there, and he noticed something hanging on the wall: The owner, a decorated marine that served in Vietnam, was a clansman, his certificate proudly displayed. He's a racist. And he's proud of it.

So, let's plug that into our logic equation:

Some people are racists + some people are cops = some cops are racists.

If I'm black, with the above equation in mind, how should I react in Gates' place?

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Josh Board July 25, 2009 @ 6:49 p.m.

Okay refried...let me answer that. First, let me say, I DO believe racism still exists. And I believe it's a problem. I also think when people act the way Gates did, it makes the problem WORSE. He and Obama seem to think that now everyone is talking about it and will somehow learn from this, and make it better. WRONG. The exact opposite.

Let's say that Gates has been harassed by the police 25 times in the last two years. Sometimes he's walking, and they stop him for no reason and say "What the hell are you doing at 10 p.m. at night? Show me some damn ID, now!"

A few other times, cops pull him over and start verbally abusing him for no reason.

After the 25th time in two years, Mr. Gates concludes this is happening because of his color, as he isn't breaking the law. I would say at that point, aside from contacting Internal Affairs or something, he has the right to be pretty pissed off at cops.

So now....let's jump into the situation that happened. He gets back from China, and his door won't open. He asks the black driver to help him push in the door. So a neighbor calls the police saying "Two black guys are trying to break into this house."

The cops show up.

Now, Mr. Gates has had 25 bad run-ins with police. He's angry at police. In fact, he hates the police.

But the second they knock on the door and tell him what they're investigating, his mindset should be: Oh, for once they aren't here to bug me, but to actually do their job and investigate a call, as it did look odd to have me standing outside trying to bust down my own door.

His next thought should be: these cops are so damn racist, they'll look for any excuse to mace me, taze me, or even shoot me. So, I won't give them any ammo (so to speak). I'll be polite, I'll smile, I'll answer all their questions, and they'll be on their way.

So refried, my question to you is now this. My scenario of the 25 times was completely exagerrated to make a point. That EVEN IF those things had happened, you should treat each individual with a clean slate.

This is why...the amount of problems I've had with certain people on a basketball court, or certain blondes with dyed hair...doesn't mean when a person that looks like this approaches me, I think they're a jerk. I do what Martin Luther King, Jr. said we should do. I judge this person by the "content of their character" not the color of their skin. Each person gets judged by how I interract with them. Why does this not happen with Gates?

Now, to say that we don't immediately do some kind of profiling in our mind...sure. Everyone does. But once someone speaks, you change perceptions. You are now judging them by what is being said, not the amount of tattoos, skin color, or whatever else.

So refried...how should Gates have acted in this scenario? Or better yet, in the scenario that did happen? Cops doing their job.

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Josh Board July 25, 2009 @ 6:49 p.m.

Ya know, to put it all in perspective...just this morning in the paper, the police got a call of a man with a knife in Linda Vista. The reports were that he was suicidal and acting weird. He kept running around (his own home), and finally came towards a cop, without dropping the knife. They had to shoot and kill him and they're suspecting it's "suicide by cop". But these are the things cops are thinking about at EVERY CALL they go to. Something can sound simple (a cat is stuck in a tree) or (loud music complaint) and they get there and someone gets shot.

So when they snap at you, bark orders, ask for ID...don't worry about why they aren't being polite police officers. Answer their questions, and let them get on their way.

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David Dodd July 25, 2009 @ 7:14 p.m.

"I also think when people act the way Gates did, it makes the problem WORSE. He and Obama seem to think that now everyone is talking about it and will somehow learn from this, and make it better. WRONG. The exact opposite."

Perhaps. The cop and Gates are going to the White House to have a beer with Obama. If a fistfight ensues, then yes, it's worse.

But if Gates says, "Hey, look, maybe I overreacted, but you have to understand that as a black man..."

And if the cop says, "Hey, look, maybe I overreacted too, but you have to understand that as a cop..."

I think you let it play out and see what happens next. It's tough for me to instantly label the situation one way or the other. I don't think the cop is a bad guy, but I can't say that Gates is either. I haven't read Gates, but I'll presume that, as a Harvard professor, he's studied this problem quite a bit. I would also presume, then, that he's sensitive to racial issues, far more than most. The cops are in a similar situation, there's a psychology behind being a cop, that after a while, after years of seeing nothing but bad guys, they sort of presume that everyone is potentially a bad guy.

Anyway, I am comfortable with the notion that, even if Gates overreacted, and whether or not the cop overreacted, both parties are apparently going to sit down and be rational. In other words, I'm not upset with the cop, but it's sort of hard for me to be upset with Gates, either. And, at best, both parties are going to learn a thing or two and through that perhaps others as well.

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Josh Board July 25, 2009 @ 7:24 p.m.

I've gotta head out now refried, but one last thing. Don't you agree, that even if Gates has had numerous bad experiences with cops, that them showing up to PROTECT his home, shouldn't have become one of them?

I'll give you another example. When I was 19, I was playing with my friends younger brothers. They had a huge family, and the kids were 5 and 7 years old. I loved those kids. Gave them Christmas presents (and I'm a Jew), played with them, told them jokes, etc.

Once, as we're wrestling, the grandmother in town from Oregon, I believe...was looking at me funny. I felt odd, but you know what? It made sense.

She's wondering why a 6'1" adult male, is wrestling with little boys. A perfect thing to wonder, and I took no offense (and assume she asked the family about me).

And when that little girl was murdered in Boulder, Colorado. A neighbor that was always with the kids in town, and played Santa Claus, he wasn't offended when he was questioned by the police. In fact, he said "I would've been bothered if they DIDN'T question me."

This is the attitude we should have with cops. Even if a few of them are bad.

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David Dodd July 25, 2009 @ 7:47 p.m.

Josh, I think that's the bigger issue, should we project how we react in such circumstances onto someone else? In other words, neither of us knows what it's like to be Henry Gates. While you or me might sort of be thankful that the cops were showing up to make sure that no one was breaking into our house, it's difficult to wrap one's head around Gates' train of thought at that moment. "Hey, this is my house, man." "Right buddy, I'll need to see some identification."

I mean, that might have been all it took to set Gates off. It might have been something so simple as two sarcastic words: "Right, buddy." Everything else said by the officer would have been irrelevant, because Gates' perception might have been that the cop doubted - even momentarily - that the house belonged to a black man.

The scope of the Gates incident lies beyond the question of racism in my opinion, but rather more encompasses the difference in people's perceptions about racism. That was my point with Ricky. I just don't think it's that easy to say, "Hey, Gates should have had more common sense and just submitted to authority." Sometimes even when people submit to authority they still get screwed. I would think that minorites, historically, have been screwed over more than most. For that reason alone, it's difficult to discount Gates' side of how he reacted.

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SDaniels July 25, 2009 @ 8:16 p.m.

"You left out the part about Woody Allen, where you insisted the young Asian girl that Larry Davids character was teaching chess, had something to do with Allens stepdaughter (which again, the written script pre-dated)."

Talk about idiocy. Josh: Do you really think a script is not altered by one word, or that the director sticks to a "script," and doesn't add in figures and scenic elements, as well as impromptu dialogue? I'm done "discussing" film with you. What a snooze. You just keep trying to nail me on something. Why is that so important to you?

"And second, when I tell someone that personal stuff won't be blog topics, I mean that. Which means I wouldn't bring anything up about things you've SPECIFICALLY asked me not to, or any medical conditions, or a number of other things that a person obviously won't care to have discussed."

Now you are out and out LYING, Josh. Unprompted, you told me that private conversations and interactions were off the record, and that you stick to the online topics. Guess I didn't read the fine print, where you add the coda: "Unless I am really desperate, and need to try to think of something you've done or said wrong." The hilarious thing about this is that you disagree with 99% of what I say. You didn't need to cull from our private conversations; you could have just taken a few moments to go back through online public threads to find whatever you wanted to attack--and it might even have been a statement remotely related to this thread.

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SDaniels July 25, 2009 @ 8:16 p.m.

Josh wrote: "But when someone comes on my blog, and says I'm racist, insecure, or brings up that idiot writer from another publication....and, let's go even farther back."

I don't know what "idiot" writer you are referring to; apparently again, you have me mixed up with someone else--as plenty of people have pointed out your racial insensitivities. You said "insecure." I have never straight out called you a racist, though I have told you that I think what you write is often ignorant and racist. It is.

"You wrote about that night all of the bloggers were meeting up at The Field. You didn't check with me first to see if I was cool with any of the things you wrote (that my stepbrother had a "severe haircut"), or that I gave you a card and wrote something sweet in it, or that listening to me talk is like swithcing TV channels."

We all agreed that we would blog about the meeting at The Field, and that you might 'cover' it, as you would any Crasher event. We were all careful about what we wrote (excepting you--who did not write about it as planned), and you had no problem with anything I wrote at the time. If you feel that your stepbrother was somehow "outed" with a severe haircut, well it's a great thing we live in a military town, isn't it? And your point was...?

"I'm used to thinking "adults" can talk about things like the police, racism, movies, relationships, cupcakes, loud motorcycles...without one flying off the handle!"

You've yet to define "adult," and I'm not sure you can. "Flying off the handle," as we all know, in Josh's world practically equates asking a simple question of a policeman, rather than throwing down one's wallet and bending over as one should.

"It's possible...because the time we talked cinema on the phone, you spent 30 minutes going on about Japanese films and every time I waited for a pause to bring up a few films, there either wasn't one or you'd immediately interrupt."

More disclosure of private conversation, wow! And more make-believe. It is indeed hard to get a word in with you, as many might attest; perhaps my occasional loquacity daunted you because you're used to being the only voice in the room? Btw, if we spoke for 30 minutes, why is it that the Lyme Disease movie, which I had not seen, dominated the conversation?

It does seem that you are fond of accusing others of what you yourself are or do, like that popular child's game. "I know you are, but what am I?" Well, don't worry dear--you won't have another chance to talk to or play with me, in any way shape or form. Adios, and good luck with that fan club.

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PistolPete July 25, 2009 @ 10:50 p.m.

"Pete: I didn't delete that post, but I did read it before it got removed. Don't you think it was a little out of line?

I mean, even someone like Spliff knows how to spell the words to get around the censors!" Josh,I know you didn't delete it. I'm sure your a$$hole editor or the owner of the Reader did. It wasn't didn't deleted because of the language. It's because I openly admitted to the advocation of politicians murders. I never said I would muder anyone. I would however drink a beer for the next assasin.

rickeysays:How do you figure I've lost my perspective? I expect people to act as people. I never see mexicans on the news shouting racism. I treat people the way I expect to be treated. If it differs,then I'll deal with it. What the hell does Stockholm Syndrome have to do with this?

Gates made two definite mistakes-1)He obviously didn't get to know his neighbors and 2)Someone just mentioned that he shouldn't bow to authority. I agree with that statement with one caveat-As"an educated black man",Mr Gates should have learned,like I have,that you need to pick your battles wisely. That situation could have turned out worse than it did and I'm really surprised that MrGates didn't end up on the wrong end of a tazer gun.

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rickeysays July 26, 2009 @ 1:12 a.m.

Pete: "I'd tell 'em "Look....I know what you do is wrong(rape,murder,drug dealing,pimping,carjacking,etc,etc) but I don't care. I like YOU for YOU regardless of the drama that is happening in your life. I don't give a f--k who you rob or kill unless it's someone related to me." WOW. That's some scary thinking. Then you say "I played bones with them. I drank the 40s of Colt 45 and the Boone's Farm/Mad Dog 20/20 with them". I say it sounds like "Stockholm syndrome", the premise of which is that people being held hostage, their lives threatened, will actually start to sympathise and side with their captors as a self-preservation tactic. It's not a conscious decision. It's just what happens. You were stuck living in this environment, and you found a way to survive, and a way to justify it to yourself.

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sfmc98 July 26, 2009 @ 6:12 a.m.

I haven't read many of the 103 comments above but I wanted to weigh in since there was so much discussion before about the Busby fundraiser incident.

First, clearly Obama made a huge tactical error in commenting on this. He had a big press conference to talk about healthcare and the story ended up being his answer to this one question. He has lost the discipline he had in the campaign. I hope he learns a lesson from this experience. (I also hopes he stops relying on the children in congress to accomplish HIS goals.)

Second, I have to acknowledge the relative restraint of Sgt. Crowley. He didn't pepper spray or taze anybody. He comes off in his interviews as a professional, genuinely nice guy doing his job. He could have slammed Obama but only went so far as to say he was "disappointed." I thought it was pretty classy. You never know whats in a man's heart but I do not believe that beyond the description, race had anything to do with the treatment of Prof. Gates.

Third, I'm pretty sure that Gates was acting like a jerk in this situation. The police were there to protect his home which had already been broken into and he was being a total prick. He couldn't believe that all those years of teaching about racial profiling from his ivory tower had visited him personally. Most of us would have probably seen this as a acceptable intrusion.

Now, with that said, I don't believe he should have been arrested. Here's why: It serves no purpose beyond the cop showing the citizen "who's boss." If only words are being used, the cop can simply leave, like any one of us should and would do in that situation. Is a reasonable person really going to try to have someone arrested who curses them out? I don't think so. The cops probably wouldn't even show up for that. They may not like it (and neither do I) but part of the cops job is to put up with verbal abuse. Contempt of cop should never be an arrestable offense.

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PistolPete July 26, 2009 @ 8:44 a.m.

I never lived on the South Side rickeysays. I was a white boy from the northern 'burbs who had visited the ghetto on a few ocassions with friends and started hanging out with what some people might call undesirable people of ethical and moral value. What I found hanging out with"hoodrats" was that they pretty much led the same life as I did up north. It WAS the ghetto however and I felt that they had to do what they had to do to survive. At first it was a major culture shock but I soon learned to assimilate. I KNEW that I was associating with straight out pimps,murderers & thieves and it didn't bother me one bit because I never saw my friends commit the crimes I knew they were guilty of. People nowdays are all about the drama. I wanted no part of neighborhood politicing. Believe it or not,90% of the time I spent there was a realworld learning experience. It was from hanging out in the heart of one of America's absolute ghettos,the old saying was true"What does not kill me makes me that much stronger".

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Josh Board July 26, 2009 @ 11:50 a.m.

refried...that's a very good point. I hadn't really thought that thru...that it's easy for someone like me, that may have no been bugged by cops my whole life, to be able to be nice to them. And that just two words could set him off. So yeah, I can see your point. Although, I doubt that is what happened, it's still a good point. And I certainly realize now, that someone could have a different mind-set from years of this type of thing happening.

Although, I then jump back to saying, it probably doesn't happen as much as Gates thinks it does. I mean, I've found myself wondering if Gates watches a movie like, say...Boogie Nights. And when Don Cheadles character doesn't get a loan for a goofy stereo store he wants to open...does he shout at the screen "Yeah, that's right. No black man would ever get a loan from a bank!" When, that's not even the point of the scene. It's a guy with a horrible business plan, no collateral, no experience running a business, etc.

And that same logic applies with cops, as I've said before. They are usually jerks to EVERYONE they pull over. You can't say "It's because I'm [insert race here]."

sfmc: by not reading most of the posts, believe me, you didn't miss much. And, you pretty much nailed it. The only thing I disagree with you on, is Gates arrest. Because, they didn't charge him with "disorderly conduct", so that was the police saying that Gates probably learned his lesson (which obviously he didn't).

You mention the restraint the police had by not pepper spraying him. And you talk about people shouting things at the police. Well, my friend that's a sheriff, said when he worked in Oceanside, he'd drive by gangs that would flip him off and yell stuff. He just ignored it. But, you could have another cop that would pull over and see if they could find something to nail these guys with.

But, it's different if the police just happened to be driving by Gates place and stopped and questioned him for no reason, and he started yelling. Then I'd say, the police should just let it go. But they were investigating a call. And because it took a lot longer, and they had trouble getting to the bottom of if he lived there (he initially showed his Harvard ID, which didn't show his address)....maybe they felt like so much time was wasted, that it was worth arresting a guy that is causing such a scene.

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Josh Board July 27, 2009 @ 1:18 a.m.

At racquetball tonight, my friend mentioned something interesting in the sauna. He loves George Will (I find him boring, and don't usually agree with his politics). Will said something along the lines of "Gates can't play the race card, because he's a black man at a prestigious university, in a town with a black police chief, a black mayor, a black governor...and in a country with a black president." And yes, that's an okay point, but as refried pointed out...if you've had years of abuse by the police, things like that wouldn't matter much to you.

I think a better point was something I thought of. And I could be getting this wrong (in which case, antigeek will surely point that out). Didn't one of the police officers that went to investigate Jeffrey Dahmer, show up at his house. He saw a African-American boy (underage), that was drugged. The cop asked the deal, and was told by Dahmer "Oh, that's my lover. He's just real drunk." The cop didn't investigate further, and left. And...we know what happened to the kid!

So, if cops don't thoroughly investigate -- ask for IDs, talk to people in the house, or whatever other procedures there are, sometimes someone ends up dead.

But, if the cop DOES investigate, then what if Dahmer really was just with a male lover? Does he claim the cops are harassing him because he's gay?

The police always seem to be in a no-win situation.

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David Dodd July 27, 2009 @ 1:45 a.m.

"The police always seem to be in a no-win situation."

I've never not agreed with this statement. I think it's true. It's an occupational hazard I would never want to inherit. For no amount of money. Ever.

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SpliffAdamz_ July 27, 2009 @ 10:53 a.m.

Sunny90210 Why don't you say that to the azzholes who are f***ing up this country!!! Tell them to leave!!! Just cause i call amerikkka for what it is , don't say i need to leave because i stand up for people rights while you just sit back and lick the governments azz clean!!!! Another coward you believes in amerikkka!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

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SpliffAdamz_ July 27, 2009 @ 11:05 a.m.

Sorry is wasn't walking around cursing!!!! A cop told me "don't be such an stubborn azzhole" So i told him your "mom is a stubborn azzhole for having you" why should i be respectful to someone disrespecting me???? F*** DA POLICE EVERYDAY ALL DAY EVEN ON THEY BIRTHDAY!!!!

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SpliffAdamz_ July 27, 2009 @ 12:37 p.m.

There are two sides to the gates story unfortunately we will never no the truth!!! Only those who were there no the truth!!! And didn't they say gates had a friend with him??? Where's that persons interview or is amerikkka afraid to get a third party involved that wasn't charge with anything , but witness the whole thing!!! Intresting leaving out a witness who was at first a suspect to a crime!??! Sounds like the media and police have something to hide!!!!!

Just because you got some black friends joshb you ain't black!!! Just because you adopted a black child highrockgirl you ain't black!!!! Just because you hung out in a black neighborhood in Chi town pete don't mean s , because you could always take your undercover , wanting to be black , racist azz back to snobbyvile where your snobby azz family was!!! If you ain't black you can't understand what it feels like to subjected to racism!!! It don't matter how many surveys and studies you do , ya still wont understand!!! It's like watching football from the sidelines your whole life , but you claim you know what it's like to play!!! How you know what's it's like if you ain't never been in the game??? It's the same for you people who spit that old white bulls!!! "I got black friends" or "i adopted a black child" or "i've dated black man/women" and the real sad one "i hung out in the ghetto with my black friends" You people need to get a clue on that bulls you talking!!!! If you ain't black shut da f on the black experience!!! You can't talk s*** about those who are living it , while your punk azz is on the outside looking in , trying to get in where you can fit in!!!! SPEAK ON IT!!!!!!!!!!

Oh i forgot sunny90210 i really don't give a f*** if you think my spelling sucks!!! But since you commented on it , thanks for riding commercial airlines fight 187 deeezzz nuuutzzz!!!!! Holla!!!

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SpliffAdamz_ July 27, 2009 @ 12:42 p.m.

Na pete you said you grow up around some , so you was already trying to be a stupid (N)!!! But couldn't fit in cause ya skin keeps burn in the sun!!! VAMPIRE!!! Wasn't you the one who said i was hanging around pimps , murders , carjackers???? In reality you wasn't hanging around nobody but some snobby azz rednecks that wanted to be black , but was to pale skin to fit in!!!!

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Josh Board July 27, 2009 @ 1:11 p.m.

Spliff, I'm only guessing as to why the friend/driver of Gates hasn't spoken. I think he left once Gates was able to get into (errr, break into) his house. So when the cops showed up to investigate, it was only Gates inside, that they had to talk to (or listen to verbal abuse from).

But let me ask you this, Spliff. If you were in Gates shoes, would you be angry at the police for showing up, because someone called THINKING two people were breaking into your house? Or would you thank them, show them ID, and everyone would've left happy?

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SpliffAdamz_ July 27, 2009 @ 1:18 p.m.

Na , I just show them my ID , but if the cops are still there questioning me about the situation and i explain to them what happen more then once!!! I might get upset then!!! Because cops don't just leave after they see ID , they keep on with their investigation!!! But if the address of the call is the address of my residence and you still there asking all kind of stupid azz question!!! Act like an azz get treated like an azz!!!

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Josh Board July 27, 2009 @ 3:12 p.m.

Oh, I agree. Just as I agree if some cop called you a "stubborn a--hole," to respond in kind, was perfect (although, not sure about why you'd be acting "stubborn", that probably means you were being difficult to the cops).

But, as I've said before, you could take the most racist, jerk of a police officer...and if he comes to the house to investigate a possible break in, and Gates had IMMEDIATELY laughed and explained the situation (Oh geez...I didn't have my keys and was trying to push in my door, I know how that could look odd. Here's my ID,") I have no doubt ANY COP, would've simply said, "Okay, thanks."

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Russ Lewis July 27, 2009 @ 8:53 p.m.

"That sounds about like most crackers like you." I guess that doesn't qualify as racist speech, does it, Spliff?

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Josh Board July 28, 2009 @ 12:54 a.m.

russl...I've already tried that argument with Spliff. He claims that black people CAN'T be racist, since this country and the white people here were racist FIRST (a philosophy which really makes no sense).

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Russ Lewis July 28, 2009 @ 11:21 a.m.

I admit, Josh, it took me a while to realize you don't have to be white to be a racist. But what do I know?

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Josh Board July 28, 2009 @ 2:42 p.m.

Getting back to the Obama debate, on a lot of the talk radio shows today, I heard people calling in complaining that the taxpayers would be paying for Gates and Crowley to have a beer in the White House.

I don't have a problem with that. I just think it's odd that these guys are going to the white house, before that mentally handicapped boy that was so offended by Obama's statement on the Tonight Show about how he bowls so bad, he should be in the Special Olympics. I mean, come on! Let's get that kid in the White House, bowling a few games, for a nice photo op.

I'm also going to have a problem if the first thing out of Gates mouth isn't an apologize. To both Crowley, for making his job difficult and for being wrong in the matter. And to Obama, for the President going to bat for him, and being wrong.

Sgt. Crowley seems to be a good guy, as he's already called Obama classy for how he's handled this afterwards (ie the phone call to him). But, it doesn't mean he shouldn't have some fun in the White House dining room. He could ask to see Gates ID after he sips his beer, saying "If you can't prove you're over 21, I'm takin' you in!"

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Laraloowhoo Feb. 24, 2012 @ 11:26 p.m.

spliff adamz is such a racist pig and i have personal experience with this

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