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No problem, johnny. As for IBM and HP I know about them because because my girlfriend's father Robert was an HP Field service Tech who retired in 2007 and my parents owned IBM stock. I sold most of it when my mother passed away in 2002 but I still get all of the IBM mailings and news letters and such. The other info came from a few different articles in Business finance which compliled it's info from IRS reports, Dept. of Labor report's and some Wtson Wyatt reports. I'm familiar with Wastson Wyatt because one of my oldest friends works for Booz Allan Hamilton, in DC and his wife works for Watson Wyatt in DC. Military strategy and financial management, what a combination huh. The 2008 info on Fortune 1000 Db plans came striaght from a chart in a WW release, the last link I provede in 217. For the 2003 info, to which you said "And saying 630 of the Fortune 1000 do offer DB's is one of the biggest whoppers I have heard in years", that info came straight from another BF article. "HP is not the only company that is freezing or terminating its defined-benefit pension plan. According to an analysis conducted by Watson Wyatt, the rate at which Fortune 1000 companies froze or terminated these plans increased significantly last year even as the average funding level for plans grew. The analysis found that although nearly 63 percent of these companies sponsored a defined-benefit pension plan in 2004, 71 of those businesses, or 11 percent, had a frozen or terminated plan, and another 25 companies (4 percent) had pension plans that were closed to new hires. In 2003, 45 companies (7 percent) of Fortune 1000 plan sponsors had a frozen or terminated plan. (See The Big Freeze, below.) I couldn't find the link yesterday, but here it is. http://businessfinancemag.com/article/uncertain-f…. I really don't care whether you believe me or not. I'm not just pulling numbers out of thin air. If I read a WW study that says 455 Fortune 1000 companies sponsores active DB plans in 2008 and you say something else, who do you think I'm going to listen to.
— March 31, 2009 12:30 p.m.

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Response to 1188/1190 you did not say "private sector companies" you said corporate America. I don't believe the phrase connotes either private sector companies or publicly traded companies specifically. However I specifically refered fortune 1000 companies in my post. I believe in order to make the Fortune 1000 list, a company has to be based in the United States, and be publicly traded. My humblest apologies if that was unclear. As far as IBM/HP DB plans you said "The few that do have them have them for employees who were grandfathered in, not any employee that has been hired within the last 15 years. I was simply pointed out that IBM didn't stop it's plan until 2006: "Armonk, NY - 05 Jan 2006: IBM today announced that it has changed its U.S. defined benefit pension plans and that it plans to redesign its 401(k) savings plan, effective in January 2008. http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19… and HP also stopped there plan in 2006: In January 2006, HP closed its pension plan to new and younger employees and offered those individuals a beefed-up 401(k) plan in which the company matches 100% of employees' 401(k) salary deferrals, up to 6% of pay." http://hpwfr.blogspot.com/2007/02/hewlett-packard… As for the Fortune 1000 numbers, which I specified were from 2004 number, not 2008/9 numbers there are hundreds of articles, so try reading them. You can start with: "In a separate study of the 627 Fortune 1,000 companies sponsoring DB plans in 2006, Wyatt found that 113 had frozen or terminated their plans, or announced that they were, as of April 2006, compared with 71 in all of 2004. An additional 49 sponsors closed their plans to new hires by that time in 2006, up from 25 in 2004." http://benefitslink.com/articles/guests/2009-03-1… and this : http://www.watsonwyatt.be/us/pubs/insider/pdfs/20… BTW, as of 2008, 624 Fortune 1000 companies sponsored DB plans and 169 (27%) had frozen them.
— March 30, 2009 8:17 p.m.

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