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Screw U: The Next Bubble May Be Higher Education
States have different requirements regarding the things you are talking about. I certainly do know all the rules for every state Bar regarding admission of non-ABA grads, lawyers admitted in other jurisdictions, etc. Every state is different. For example, Washington state will admit a lawyer licensed in another jurisdiction under the same requirements that that jurisdiction will admit a lawyer licensed in Washington state. http://www.courts.wa.gov/court_rules/?fa=court_ru… Now if we're talking just California, I believe a non-ABA grad licensed in another state has to have been in practice for 5 years and has to take the "lawyers bar" (days 1 and 3). An ABA grad licensed in another state does not have to have any number of years of practice, but does have to take the "lawyers bar."— August 8, 2012 4:42 p.m.
Screw U: The Next Bubble May Be Higher Education
We could argue all day about what the phrase "about the same" means. Those 51% and 69% pass rates are for all takers. My original comments were about ABA grad takers. The ABA numbers (61% vs. 74%) show only a 20% (approximately) disparity. The fact that the disparity in passing rates for ABA grads is half what it is when you include non-ABA grads is what leads me to say "The pass rate for graduates of American Bar Association-accredited schools is about the same as passage rates on other state Bars for ABA grads."— August 8, 2012 4:27 p.m.
Screw U: The Next Bubble May Be Higher Education
And by the list in the document from NCBEX, 19 states had non-ABA grad statistics, so presumably at least 19 states allow non-ABA grads to take the Bar exam. I do believe some (most? all?) states which do allow non-ABA grads to take the exam do not allow out-of-state non-ABA school grads to take their Bar exam. The numbers you got right were the non-ABA pass rate (17% in California, 25% overall) and the ABA pas rate (74%).— August 8, 2012 12:58 p.m.
Screw U: The Next Bubble May Be Higher Education
There's no "prescience" involved. It's either luck or illegal inside trading.— August 8, 2012 12:37 p.m.
Screw U: The Next Bubble May Be Higher Education
The point is that diploma mill law schools lure people in who have no chance to be admitted to an ABA school (probably for good reason) and get them rack up enormous, government-guaranteed loans. Look at http://www.ncbex.org/assets/media_files/Statistic…, particularly page 10. California's ABA school pass rate was 61% (third-lowest, ahead of Alaska and D.C.). Average was 74%. Sixteen states (by my count) had pass rates at 80%+, and 10 states had pass rates in the 60s or lower. So I stick by my statement that California's ABA grad pass rate is "about the same" as that for other states. For a list of law schools in California, see http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Education/LegalEd… I can't tell just by looking which of the private schools listed are for-profit and which are non-profit, but I'll bet there are more for-profit schools than just Concord.— August 8, 2012 12:31 p.m.
Screw U: The Next Bubble May Be Higher Education
Private, for-profit law schools are, in my opinion, the reason California's overall Bar passage rate is so low. The pass rate for graduates of American Bar Association-accredited schools is about the same as passage rates on other state Bars for ABA grads. Some states have nothing but ABA-accredited law schools, but California has zillions of state- and non-accredited law schools which entice people who have no chance of ever passing the Bar and becoming a lawyer, thus saddling them with law school-sized debt and no way to make enough money to pay. It's kind of like banking now that the Glass-Stegal Act is repealed. Schools know the government will make good on the loans if students default, so the schools don't have to care. Like for-profit health care, for-profit education is a bad idea all around.— August 2, 2012 7:25 a.m.
Will Wall Street Cool on Bridgepoint?
I would suspect that DeVry and ITT would disagree with Don because their *primary* interest lies in making a profit, not in educating students.— May 11, 2012 2:20 p.m.
Will Wall Street Cool on Bridgepoint?
What are the problems faced by the community college system, other than under-funding, a problem easily fixed by increased funding?— May 11, 2012 2:12 p.m.
Will Wall Street Cool on Bridgepoint?
And let's not forget about the growth in disparity between what the top execs and the average workers make.— May 11, 2012 1:43 p.m.
UT, Orange County Register Will Join Forces, Says Lynch
I canceled my U-T subscription after Manchester bought it, and my mother canceled hers. I occasionally peruse the U-T when I find it lying around, and every time I do, I am reminded why canceling it was a good idea. There's nothing to it anymore.— May 10, 2012 9:38 a.m.