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“I don’t know if any of you guys are aware that they are going to be cutting down [ficus trees] on Jefferson Street,” said Carlsbad resident Ila Schmidt during the May 25 city-council meeting.

According to Schmidt, she spotted an 8x10 laminated sign giving notice that on June 4 over a dozen ficus trees will be cut down on Jefferson Street (from the corner of Carlsbad Village Drive to Oak and Pine avenues) because their roots have been known to damage underground pipes.

“The trees are on the public parkway,” said Schmidt who followed with a suggestion that the city delay the decision because the roots may not be as problematic as believed.

Schmidt said she has had personal experience dealing with ficus trees as a property manager, and she oversaw old clay pipes “replaced with another material” that doesn’t emit moisture. As a result, she claimed, the problem with backed-up plumbing was resolved without cutting down trees.

“The bottom line is the trees are on public property,” said Schmidt. She said she plans to file a formal appeal with the council.

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nan shartel May 27, 2011 @ 11:59 a.m.

oh i hope that decision can be rescinded :-(

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mngcornaglia May 27, 2011 @ 12:49 p.m.

they are known to cause major root damage

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Gekko4321 May 27, 2011 @ 12:55 p.m.

Those trees help make the Village what it is. They are beautiful giant trees and frame all the downtown businesses. Hope this gets appealed.

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viewer May 27, 2011 @ 6:23 p.m.

Be it that you live in Carlsbad: make a 'public comment' at the City Council meeting. At repeated meetings; as the councilmemembers will not pay much attention -- the 1st time.

Don't depend on 'Ila Schmidt' to (be intelligent enought to) follow my guidelines. Let me see if YOU are the more reliable person. To make the change.

~!Maybe YOU can be the ONE to (a) begin & lead a petition (b) get this ?successful? issue based into the San Diego Reader. Be it that YOU keep the issue alive.~~

If you know of any other citizens who >really< love Eucalyptus Trees (even better, if they be those who walk through the trails of Hosp Grove):

Ask if they can be 'watchdogs' for those trees. As we all know --- that we must keep our eyes out for our Interests.

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viewer May 27, 2011 @ 1:37 p.m.

uuuuuuhhhh-Ila Had she been wise, common sense tell her to slate a petition. Collecting signatures of those living in the neighborhood of where the (Ficus) Trees are. Followed by signatures of the citizens of Carlsbad. As YOU keep going to Carlsbad City Council Meetings PERSISTENTLY. That includes the Podium, making actual speeches; analogies that you have made, facts. Not just scripts.

Claiming "personal experience...as a property manager." Even more, she should know about the effect/existence of a petition.

I lived in Carlsbad in the 1980s; during the mid-1980s there was a fight to save the Eucalyptus Trees of HOSP GROVE. (in how Hosp Way got its name) The trees that overlook Marron Road -- the Plaza Camino Real & Hwy 78. As the trees still exist. But as we know, since some time -- Eucalyptus Trees are being eaten up.

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Visduh May 27, 2011 @ 8:29 p.m.

Too bad that Big Bad Bud Lewis no longer rules Carlsbad. If it were the old days you would make your case to him and he would either agree or disagree. If he agreed (city manager government or no) he'd decree, ala Kim Jung Il, that something would or would not happen, and that would be that.

But now that the Mayor-for-Life has stepped down from his high and mighty throne, you're dealing with a city that is trying to become a democracy again, after nearly three decades of bossism. Those folks aren't ready to do things in a normal fashion because the city embraced "Saint Claude" and his benign dictatorship for so long. Good luck to you.

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viewer May 27, 2011 @ 10:17 p.m.

Back then, Mark Pettine (then the interchangable councilmember) A deputy district attorney. Who was no worry. Be (voted)on MY Side, to SAVE The Trees.

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viewer May 27, 2011 @ 10:21 p.m.

"Julie Fisher" or "Julie Fischer" be the name of the one who began the petition to SAVE THE TREES OF HOSP GROVE.

BUT IT WAS >ME< WHO GOT THE MAJORITY OF THE SIGNATURES. AS I HAD MORE TIME, TO GET THEM, THAT THE OTHERS WHO WERE INVOLVED. (and likely more seriously committed)

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Twister May 28, 2011 @ 1:01 p.m.

We all love trees, but they don't always love us. That some children were not killed by a falling branch recently was not the "fault" of the tree, but the fault of the one who planted it and those who failed to maintain it properly.

Ficus trees are notorious for breaking (e.g. gas) pipes and sidewalks, foundations, and anything that gets in the way of their expansion. Pipes don't have to leak to be broken by them, so non-leaking pipes is not a solution. No tree of any kind should be planted in a hazardous position or a potentially hazardous position by anyone, and that person and his or her heirs and assigns should be liable for the consequences, including failure to abate the hazard and maintain it in a safe condition.

"Urban foresters" are not always right (some are even ignorant), but some are highly responsible and knowledgeable professionals who have spent many years gaining education and experience that those who automatically attack them every time they try to do their job responsibly may or may not lack. Sometimes members of a community do know something that a given professional does not, and such citizens should be firm but fair in their challenging of professional opinions and conclusions. But just how it is that those lacking any specific knowledge can immediately assert superior knowledge is a curious, albeit prevalent, phenomenon.

When trees do need to be removed because a particular species, location, or condition is likely to be a significant hazard to life and property, they can usually be replaced by trees of lower hazard potential, and planted well-clear of things they can damage.

Common sense, if not common courtesy, should lead those concerned to ask questions and listen to answers before circulating petitions. And, those petitions should become a part of the public record so that when the damages and/or deaths occur, they are held jointly and severally liable, rather than the other innocent taxpayers who must then pay the costs and penalties of lawsuits by the affected parties. And God or Nature should not be blamed by the incompetence or ignorance of humans and human emotions.

There's nothing wrong with loving trees, and there's nothing wrong with holding professionals to a high standard of competence. And there's nothing wrong with asserting one's rights AND RESPONSIBILITIES as a citizen. But there is something wrong with ignoring the merits of the issue in favor of sentiment alone, unfortunate and inconvenient though the situation might be.

Might does not equal right--at any time, by government or by citizens.

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viewer May 28, 2011 @ 6:08 p.m.

Save all your words: You are Pro-Growth.

Local Government will search for any excuse that it can, to make a tract - for new homes to be built. Via destroying the original condition of the environmental property. Although that (change) has to be approved by voters first.

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Twister May 28, 2011 @ 8:43 p.m.

Ficus trees are not native to this region; most come from areas of high rainfall, such as the tropics. The real natural environment on "the property" had to be destroyed to plant the exceptionally water-hogging Ficus trees, which, because they are native to much wetter tropical areas, have to be irrigated in order to live here at all, much less be maintained in their present extra-lush condition. This requires water to be artificially (unnaturally) imported to support this and other alien plants, which is where approximately half of "our" imported water (which has, in large part, caused the destruction of large areas of the natural environment in Northern California, all along the Colorado River through several states and Mexico (where the environmental destruction is most severe) goes. The natural environment in the area where the Ficus trees in question are now, before it was killed by the developers which planted these alien trees, was actually quite beautiful, and supported a diverse ecosystem of plants and animals which development has rendered extinct or nearly so.

This is not to imply that the trees should necessarily be removed, only to suggest that the facts in support of their removal should, in a non-dictatorial society, be weighed, along with those for their retention, rather than resorting to petitions in support of one’s preferences before such reasoned consideration of the pros and cons. I hope that those concerned about this issue will post information and references so that this report can be rendered more comprehensive and accurate.

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viewer May 28, 2011 @ 9:45 p.m.

Your intention, be to reply, via the last sentence.

(a) what you say of the non-nativity of the Ficus Trees. (b) showing that you are not a 'developer.'

So because of the non-nativity, that seem to be a factor. As you say to not be basing a decision.

There be my 'comprehension & accuracy.'

Thanks You for accepting what I said throughout this. But take from my experience:

Carlsbad< is a narcisstic city; frowning at you. And that leads to its City Council. One must be very persistent in issues like this. Taxes (via developers) & $ be their 'high.' Like Narcotics.

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Twister May 28, 2011 @ 10:58 p.m.

These trees appear to be getting too large for the space they are in. They may have been root-pruned to keep them from breaking the sidewalk, curb, street and adjacent driveway aprons. The roots will either have to be cut or they will damage adjacent structures, and it is not unreasonable to conclude that they may damage underground utilities as well. Cutting roots weakens tree stability, and does not improve their general health. However, Ficus species can usually take it unless they are in shallow soil or one with an impenetrable and general “hardpan” condition.

These types of Ficus can grow very large, and as they continue to grow the problems they are causing and have a clear potential to cause will only get more severe, not less so. Removal costs and the difficulty and danger involved in their removal can be expected to increase, as can maintenance costs if they are retained. While very costly maintenance can perhaps delay the inevitable, someday they will have to come down.

Several limbs appear to be in danger of breaking and falling. Depending upon the soil profile and the architecture and strength of the (remaining?) root systems, the trees may be in danger of toppling/falling. If that happens, the potential for serious damage, injury, and death may be serious.

They are, however, very attractive trees, and it is understandable that people in the area would prefer that they remain. If they are removed, they should be replaced with a species that is demonstrated to be safer, less damaging, and less costly to maintain. Trees like coast live oaks might be a good choice amongst the natives. They can be planted for free as acorns and will grow fairly rapidly to a good size, although they might get very large in several decades. Drilling cores to determine that the soil profile is of a type that will cause deep root penetration and access to deep moisture is advisable, taking care to check for underground utilities. Trees that have shallow root-systems like Ficus are generally not suitable for street trees, as is now being made apparent by the issue at hand.

Depending upon the results of a thorough and objective professional assessment, it might or might not be feasible to compromise by removing every other Ficus and replanting with a satisfactory replacement species, removing the remainder of the Ficus after the replacements species have a chance to grow. These trees are planted too close together anyway. However, the remaining trees will have to be properly maintained, probably at considerable cost.

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