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msrewa Sept. 22, 2010 @ 3:23 p.m.

Puzzle Lady, Was I the only one to answer 42 on the parking lot puzzle? Why haven’t more people questioned the Readers answer? I would like to here other peoples opinions. On Aug 18th I received the following message from the Reader Web Team: Quote (cut and paste) “Hi ****. According to the author of the puzzle, the answer was 41. We've posted the author's explanation. No credit will be awarded for those who answered 42. ……..Blah, blah, blah (off topic)……. You also may consider posting this as a comment on the puzzle contenders webpage: http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/puzzle/ The Puzzle Lady checks that page for comments and usually replies.

We're just the Web staff who post what they tell us to.

Reader Web Team www.sdreader.com”

On Aug. 7th you posted a comment with an incorrect solution, you omitted moving car 35 up. It is not a solution without this 9th move! It seems that some people at the Reader now know the correct solution, why has nothing been done yet? Is it too late too correct your error? Did the Reader Web Team lie to me? So far your only response was in the form of an incorrect solution on Aug. 7th. I hope you can answer some of my questions. I am waiting to hear from you, The web team said you read these comments.

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angelp Sept. 22, 2010 @ 4:17 p.m.

The answer you are looking for is from the puzzle "Lots of Luck".

From the answer Key we receive from the Puzzle Master...

"The correct answer is 41 moves: 1)13DOWN 2)14 DOWN 3)11 RIGHT 4)12 RIGHT 5)18 UP 6)19 UP 7)24 UP 8)34 UP 9)35 UP 10)33 RIGHT 11)28 DOWN 12)29 DOWN 13)15 DOWN 14)BLACK CAR RIGHT 15)8 DOWN 16)9 DOWN 17)10 LEFT 18)16 UP 19)17 UP 20)BLACK CAR RIGHT 21)15 UP 22)28 UP 23)29 UP 24)33 LEFT 25)34 DOWN 26)35 DOWN 27)24 DOWN 28)BLACK CAR RIGHT 29)16 DOWN 30)17 DOWN 31)2 DOWN 32)3 DOWN 33)4 LEFT 34)5 LEFT 35)18 UP 36)19 UP 37)11 LEFT 38)12 LEFT 39)13 UP 40)14 UP 41) BLACK CAR RIGHT AND OUT"

A lot of people got 41 and a lot of people put 42. the ones who had 41 got it right. 42's wrong.

Hope this helps The puzzle helper

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msrewa Sept. 22, 2010 @ 5:43 p.m.

That did not help. That just helped prove 42 is the correct answer. The instructions state one car length equals one move. After move 40, if the black car only moves one space right, then it is not out of the lot. It's front bumper will be left of the exit. It takes one more move to get out (42). Think about it. That is why so many people had 42 and 41 is wrong. The key must be wrong (the Reader Web Team lied to me) and the Reader needs to do something risky and realize this fact and make the necessary corrections. Or explain to me how the black car made 2 moves from 40 to 41. I am really slow, so please explain move 40 to 41 in more detail. Do we just ignore that "one car length equals one move?" That is why it takes 42 moves. So far no one has given me a satisfactory explanation. Isn't it possible that I am right?

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wowfie Sept. 22, 2010 @ 5:47 p.m.

Dead horse, etc. I submitted 42 also. I gave up on this a long time ago. The rules clearly stated that each move was one car length long and after move 41 the car would have still been on the lot. It would have moved to the spot car 14 just vacated. It was the last move (42) that got it off the lot. I also submitted d'eco this week, ack.

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angelp Sept. 23, 2010 @ 3:55 p.m.

Re: #3

The directions for the "Lots of Luck" puzzle state:

..."how many moves will be required to extract the car and drive it from the lot?"

Puzzle Master says that the 41st move put the black car in to a position to be extracted from the lot.

The reason 41 is right is because the question was simply how many moves would it take to get the black car to the point to be extracted and able to be driven from the lot.

We puzzle helpers to the Puzzle Lady and Puzzle master go with what we are told.

I hope this helps.

The puzzle helper

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msrewa Sept. 23, 2010 @ 4:52 p.m.

Puzzle Helper, That helps a lot. I now understand why you still think the answer is 41. I must have got the only Reader in San Diego with the wrong instructions. My copy said: QUOTE “How many moves will be required to extricate the car and drive it from the lot?”

If anyone is reading this, maybe they could post their instructions. Maybe the people that answered 42 all had the wrong instructions as well. This is getting curiouser and curiouser. Since you were not trying to get the car out, you had 41 moves. I still think I should get credit even though I had 42. If you look at the email answer I submitted, you can read the instructions I was following. It clearly states to drive it from the lot! Maybe you could read your instructions again. Please post the exact wording from your copy. I really do not think it differs from mine. I understand that puzzle helpers (lemmings) just do what they are told (Sergeant Schultz), but maybe it would help more to explain to the Puzzle Master why he missed this one. So far no one has given me a satisfactory explanation. I am still waiting for one. Isn't it possible that I am right?

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reststop Sept. 24, 2010 @ 4:28 p.m.

I can't believe that we're still arguing over 41 vs 42. As the instructions stated, “How many moves will be required to extricate the car and DRIVE IT FROM THE LOT?”. 41 gets to the "penultimate" move, and 42 gets you OUT. I notice the printed answer also says "41) BLACK CAR RIGHT AND OUT", which those of us who actually READ the instructions took to mean "41) BLACK CAR RIGHT" and "42) BLACK CAR OUT".

Besides, it's not like we're quibbling over was it 41 moves vs. 32, or 63, or 95. Those who answered either 41 or 42, had to have done it correctly with the only difference being whether there was confusion in the instructions whether to count "OUT" as a move or not.

I think the "scorer" of the puzzles needs to be a little more lenient. I got all of the Nameographs correct, which is a feat in itself, especially when one or two of the items were kind of iffy: "Gangster, only had 1 G", "G.B.Shaw, the S clearly looked like a C". However, I wrote "coed" and not "co-ed" on the form I submitted and I didn't see my name up in lights this week.

C'mon, if that "-" is the only missing part, and yes, I know the "-" was used as the nose, but the word co-ed is writen both ways, coed and co-ed. I should have gotten credit. Or was I missing the "."s after G and B in G B Shaw? C'mon now!

I'll hand it to the puzzle lady to come up with interesting puzzles, but I think the scoring should not be so persnickety when the puzzle has potentially vague or interpretable directions or content. I mentioned these earlier on GB Shaw, and Gangster. In cases like this I would consider submitting multiple entries, so at least showing I "COULD" get it right, but multiple entries are not allowed.

Anyway, that's my $0.02 worth.

I missed the mirrors one because it seemed from the illustration that we were looking through the windshield. No instruction made it clear that the "unbroken" scene in front was really a possible reflection. The only "reflection" to see headlights was in the rear windows. But, that was the point. Better instructions would have made that clear. Yes, I know better instructions may give-away the answer on some puzzles, but not so on the parking-lot, or the mirrors in my opinion.

-Carl

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