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C.J. showed me the bus they had for the party, which was like Studio 54 on wheels. I asked how much they paid to have it there and found out a friend let them borrow it. The owner of the bus walked in, turned up the music, and made it hard to hear what C.J. was telling me.

C.J. offered me a drink from the cooler, but I declined. When he went to talk to a friend out front, I walked back into the bar. When I saw him next, he was on a couch with three women and photos were being taken. I said to someone nearby, “It’s like being at a Hugh Hefner party.” The guy said, “Uh…these girls are cute, but not Bunny material.”

I went to the bar for another drink, and the two guys were still debating whether or not prostitution should be made legal. As I was handed my glass, I heard one say, “The woman in the book has a quarter-million dollars in a safe deposit box.”

I said, “Thanks a lot! You ruined the ending for me.”

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Sportsbook March 4, 2009 @ 9:52 p.m.

What is disturbing is the sheer amount of young women in PB who will "escort" for some extra cash or essentially whore themselves on Craigslist. What ever happend to being hot, not getting sexual pictures taken and posted online, and marrying a rich guy?

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Joe Poutous March 8, 2009 @ 9 p.m.

and in other news... Barbi just turned 50 and is out looking for a good time.

  • Joe
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JulieParrots March 10, 2009 @ 12:27 a.m.

LOL at post #28... i can't even believe that PB doofus is for real. What an effin joke!! Yeah maybe some women out there really truly are out pannin' for gold, however, the guys that have the bling are 9 times out of 10 lameasses that are too worried about their appearance, what brand of car they drive, etc, etc.....

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JulieParrots March 11, 2009 @ 12:24 a.m.

Thanks SurfPuppy619, I had a look at that link to see the PBMillionaire and I have not had a good laugh like that all year.

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JulieParrots March 10, 2009 @ 12:46 a.m.

In response to post #21 if that 68 year old guy with a bald head thick and thick glasses is David Cross, then I'm on board. (Heh,heh). Men that can make me laugh will always steal my heart, not the men that work on Wall St. making tons of money. Why you may ask? Well as you can see they are liars who cheat people out of their hard earned money.

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MsGrant March 13, 2009 @ 10:30 a.m.

Fred, you're a slippery little sucker, you know?

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Josh Board March 9, 2009 @ 1:12 a.m.

You gals are insane.

Listen...they just did this survey about a year ago. They showed women photos of men, and the men that were disabled, were all less diserable. And they speculated the same thing. That women look for guys that will breed with good genes. This isn't rocket science here.

I'll be the first to say, old guys...wait, scratch that. ANY GUYS that sit there staring at hot women, no matter what age, look like perves. And they are lame, for not even being able to do it without being noticed. Or for even doing it at all. I play racquetball with guys, and if women are working out near us (it's an all glass back wall), I see them staring at them before they serve, or in between games. And these girls are sometimes 16!!!

But, you can Google and find out more on these topics. Because, I'm not even talking about a woman that is an Anna Nicole Smith type of golddigger. I think there are women that don't even consciously know they are doing that. They just gravitate towards some guy with a high paying job.

I've been to some events, that are filled with doctors. And, you see some attractive 40 year old woman, with a 68-year-old doctor. It doesn't mean she's a gold digger. It doesn't mean she doesn't love him. Or that he doesn't also have an "amazing sense of humor."

But, if that same guy was a...oh, plumber. Or any profession that isn't as exciting or makes as much money, do you think that 68-year-old guy, with thick glasses and a bald head, would still pull in that woman? Seriously?

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antigeekess March 17, 2009 @ 1:08 p.m.

MsG, your mom kicks ass! Kudos to her! But I gotta ask: Who raised you?

I haven't seen or heard anything of Dr. Laura in years, personally. I think she was doing some anti-gay mouthing off at one point, and she can shut her pie hole on THAT issue, AFAIC.

However, the notion of moms staying home to actually raise their own kids -- instead of shunting them off for someone else to (not) raise -- is right on track. I congratulate women who make this unpopular choice for standing up to sociocultural peer pressure and not caving to economic "needs" and what happens to be trendy in this particular time and place.

The thing is this: Nature doesn't give a tiny rat's ass about how many cars we think we need to have, how oversized we think our house has to be, how much friggin' cable TV we think we need to waste money on every month, what kind of exotic vacations we think we deserve, the fact that our egos and self-esteem are all tied up in our jobs, or if Gloria Steinem would approve.

Nature dictates one thing, and one thing only: Little humans need their mothers. All the time. Period.

To toss a defenseless infant or small child into the daycare nightmare is, to use a favorite Boardism, "insane." Really, ladies? You're going to hand your baby over to perfect strangers to be emotionally, physically and sexually abused, before they're even old enough to speak? Wow. Yet, this is the American "norm."

Even if there's not what's usually thought of "abuse," there's certainly neglect (which IS abuse). This inadequate supervision results in the dandy out-of-control brats we're discussing in another thread. No wonder narcissistic personality disorder (if not outright sociopathic disorder) is common as fleas.

If not mom at home, it needs to be dad, grandparents, or extended family. Somebody who LOVES this kid and will PARENT the kid needs to be there.

"Fred bowed out of this, but I really should have called him on something. I, too, have been to Europe, and the men there are divine. Slender, good-looking, interesting."

Uh-huh. How are they regarding little things like monogamy? :)

BTW, this is in part a California thing. All of America isn't this devoid of attractive men. Austin, TX still has more good-looking Caucasian guys than you can shake a branding iron at.

Yee-Haw! ;)

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Ponzi March 6, 2009 @ 3:18 p.m.

Josh, when are you going to crash one of the "PB Millionaire's" parties? http://www.pbmillionaire.com/

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SurfPuppy619 March 6, 2009 @ 5:08 p.m.

http://www.pbmillionaire.com/ ^^^^^^^WHAT A DORK!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^

This guy reminds me of another guy who had the exact same schtickt back in the 80's, he was a "millionaire" and was just trying to find "Ms. Right", and this scam went on for 5-6 years. He name was Paul Walton and last I heard he was running the Castle Creek Inn up off the I-15.

Big joke is all these clowns are.

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Josh Board March 6, 2009 @ 5:27 p.m.

Well...I talked to the PB Millionaire. Wait, scratch that. I talked to his "people" about possible parties, a few months back. They said something about lining one up in a few months. As of now, nothing.

I don't remember the guy in the 80s...but I remember the guy that the TV reality show did, where it was "marry a millionaire" or some such thing, and when they went to look at his house in Encinitas, it didn't look so great. And, it had an old toilet in his yard.

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MsGrant March 6, 2009 @ 5:48 p.m.

"What ever happend to being hot, not getting sexual pictures taken and posted online, and marrying a rich guy?"

You're joking, I assume, Sportsbook? Change marrying a rich guy to "getting rich on your own merit", and you might be on to something....I would not change "being hot" because any woman who makes in on her own without being photographed in compromising positions or having sex for money and makes a ton of money anyway is already HOT!

ewww. The PB Millionaire is creepy. And the Who Wants To Marry a Millionaire guy turned out to be a loser.

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SurfPuppy619 March 4, 2009 @ 2:45 p.m.

I went to the bar for another drink, and the two guys were still debating whether or not prostitution should be made legal. As I was handed my glass, I heard one say, “The woman in the book has a quarter-million dollars in a safe deposit box.”

Yeah-and her name is Christina Shultz (now Warthen), and she no longer has the cool quarter million in the safe deposit box-the IRS took it and handed her a felony conviction for income tax evasion with three years of supervised probation to go along with taking her cash.

There is always a big downside to illegal activity-no matter who says otherwise.

http://www.redherring.com/blogs/25142

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SurfPuppy619 March 6, 2009 @ 6:36 p.m.

Not as big a loser as this guy-as you can see he is still milking the "..I am just looking for ms Right....." lines!

This loser has been milking this nonsense since at least 1988;

(WARNING, dont have anything in your mouth like food or drink when reading this or it could end up on your computer screen)

A chat with Millionaire Paul Walton Saqqara Aleister, August 16, 2008

"There is an old Motley Crue song, "Girls, Girls, Girls". Some might think that only rock stars and Hollywood types would have that particular opportunity, but so does Paul Walton, a millionaire-bachelor from San Diego, California who is looking for Miss Right. Thanks to all the parties he´s thrown from coast to coast he´s met lots of women and feels Miss Right is waiting around the corner, possibly in the next letter , phone call or e-mail."

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/71559

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Fred Williams March 9, 2009 @ 7:18 a.m.

Let's get a little science into this discussion. Here's anthropologist Helen Fisher giving a talk on the subject of love and attraction:

More about Fisher and her research here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Fisher_(anthropologist)

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Ponzi March 10, 2009 @ 2:33 p.m.

A friend of mine knows where the "PB Millionaire Castle" is. It's just a regular track home that has had the fascade faced in brick and a fake turret or something on the roof. He said the house is between two other homes that are probably 1800 - 2000 square feet. The castle has a little yard and a two car garage.

Hey it's true; a mans home is his castle. Even if it's a fake one.

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JulieParrots March 7, 2009 @ 1:59 a.m.

Whatever happened to just being happy without having money and all the rest of thet bullshyt that comes with it. Those "millionaire" guys are lame asses.

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SurfPuppy619 March 9, 2009 @ 3:33 p.m.

Surf...that was sort of my point. But really, you can't blame a woman for being with a 68 year old doctor, and NOT being with a 68 year old homeless person. Because, really, who would date a homeless person?

LOL....no I agree you 100%, they want to be with someone that can accomodate their (gold digger) life style-my only beef is when they say it is not gold digging but "love".

When I would see Anna Nicole Smith say it was "true love" between her and Marshall (despite the fact she never lived with him) I would barf up my dinner.

Now, having said all that, when I become a multi millionaire the first thing I am going to do is go out and buy me a trophy wife! (<<<<joke)

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SurfPuppy619 March 10, 2009 @ 2:56 p.m.

OMG, you have to see the "PBMillionaire"'s Myspace picture page.

"yes, it's real".....Bwhahahahaha.

If I was PBMillionaire I would killself.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=72611674&albumId=538362

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MsGrant March 9, 2009 @ 8:28 a.m.

Whaa..ghaa...huhhh....WTF!??!? I am speechless. As usual, you go all logical when you sense us getting the upper hand. And you drag out the poor disabled guys as proof? Come on! I have to gather my wits about me and look at this Fisher clip. I hope I have the stomach for it.

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MsGrant March 7, 2009 @ 8:01 a.m.

True, JulieParrots. Money tends to bring bigger problems than it solves. I have a friend that moved to Oklahoma with her husband and bought a small farm. They just birthed their first calf, and she sent pictures of her riding a tractor. She loves "the simple life". I just wanted to make a point that women don't need to marry rich to be happy. Most that do are miserable puppets that have no say in their lives because they are too addicted to the lifestyle.

"Miss Right doesn´t smoke, drink or do drugs or have children of her own." Children of her own? That's like saying that any children she ever has with him are his. What an a**hat!

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Barbarella Fokos March 9, 2009 @ 8:46 a.m.

Fred, what a great video that was! Now I'm feeling all lovey-dovey, down to my reptilian nerves. ;)

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Josh Board March 7, 2009 @ 11:36 a.m.

Well...there was that report a few months ago, that stated the obvious. The number one thing that attracted women WAS NOT a sense of humor. It was money.

I always said...girls are lined up at George Clooneys house, not George Carlin. Yet they say that want a man with a "sense of humor" first and foremost.

Of course, Clooney has the looks and the money, so probably a bad analogy. And now Carlin is dead, so I'll have to pick two different guys when I use that.

But...to me, what's just as lame as a rich guy trying to take that into meeting women, are those guys that call radio stations. And they lament that they can never find a "nice girl" and the women they like always go after the "bad boys" and blah blah blah.

A woman STILL has the right to like a guy that can afford to buy her a nice meal, without asking to split the check.

A woman still wants to have a guy that has some balls. Not necessarily a "bad boy," but not one of these guys that calls Jeff & Jerr, and then stands on a street corner holding a sign, and saying how nice of a guy he is, but women "don't want a nice guy." That's a bunch of BS.

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MsGrant March 7, 2009 @ 3:26 p.m.

and the women they like always go after the "bad boys" - that's because they like young girls. Women typically get over that "bad boy" thing as they get a little more mature. Most women in their 20's don't want an older, boring guy, but most older, boring guys want a hot, twenty-something girl!! And she has to be "a nice girl" as well.

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SurfPuppy619 March 7, 2009 @ 5:43 p.m.

Most women in their 20's don't want an older, boring guy, but most older, boring guys want a hot, twenty-something girl!!

Errr...... I take offense to that comment!

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MsGrant March 9, 2009 @ 9:31 a.m.

That was not what I expected - thanks, Fred! I have a wonderful husband. I met him in an elevator, and it was, indeed, love at first sight. To this day, I cannot explain it, but this video came close!

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Josh Board March 9, 2009 @ 10:35 a.m.

dang it! the speakers on my computer don't work. can you explain what the video is about?

(and also explain why women use logic so less often than men)

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Ponzi March 9, 2009 @ 10:36 a.m.

Hey all you ladies, this is your big chance.... the PB Millionaire is throwing a St. Patricks Day Party and he is recruiting! Here's the craiglist ad... http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/evg/1060165740.html

Oh, Josh you should definately crash this party at his "castle."

I found this on myspace: http://www.myspace.com/72611674

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SurfPuppy619 March 9, 2009 @ 11:26 a.m.

I've been to some events, that are filled with doctors. And, you see some attractive 40 year old woman, with a 68-year-old doctor. It doesn't mean she's a gold digger.

Err... don't kid yourself... of course it means she is a gold digger....how many attractive 40 y/o women do you see with homeless 68 y/0 male hobo's???

Zero-thats how many.

Reminds me of Actor/Senator Fred Thompson and his 40 y/o trophy wife who says the same thing as Anna Nicole Smith "It's love!!!".

Don't tell me for even one milli second that if those clowns did not have $$$ these women would still be there. Because they wouldn't.

So they are gold diggers whether they know it or not.

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Fred Williams March 9, 2009 @ 12:09 p.m.

Re: #27

  1. Speakers broke? Website with many links to Dr. Helen Fisher's research findings is here:

http://homepage.mac.com/helenfisher/Sites/articlespage/a2.htm

  1. Why do women think differently from men? Well, let's ask Dr. Helen:

"The female brain has more nerve cables connecting the two brain hemispheres; the male brain is more compartmentalized, so sections operate more independently. Moreover, testosterone tends to focus one’s attention. Women’s lower levels of this hormone may contribute to their broader, more contextual view."

Source: http://homepage.mac.com/helenfisher/Sites/030606articles/07leadership.pdf

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JulieParrots March 8, 2009 @ 1:24 a.m.

Yeah I agree MsGrant, most men (at least all the ones I work with) are atrracted to (and friggin stare)at all the young chicks at work. :)

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Josh Board March 9, 2009 @ 12:32 p.m.

Surf...that was sort of my point. But really, you can't blame a woman for being with a 68 year old doctor, and NOT being with a 68 year old homeless person. Because, really, who would date a homeless person?

But, by that same token, a woman can't knock a man for being attracted to a younger, more attractive female.

Women, whether they know it or not, want to be taken care of. Whether that's financially, emotionally, etc.

Men, don't feel that same need from a woman. They look for...other things, from a partner. It doesn't mean they don't also ENJOY those same things like an intelligent partner, a woman that's funny, etc etc etc.

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Josh Board March 8, 2009 @ 9:33 a.m.

I think it all goes back, thousands of years, to biology.

People are attracted to who they're attracted to. And, young women, are ones that guys can "breed" with.

Women dig that "alpha male"...who in some warped young ladies minds, is the guy that's doing all the crazy s***.

I just don't know why guys don't realize how insane they look, when they're staring at a woman or girl in the mall, that looks young enough to be their daughter or granddaughter. And ESPECIALLY in the work place.

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Josh Board March 11, 2009 @ 9:11 p.m.

Sorry for the confusion. I meant Howard Stern the radio host.

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MsGrant March 8, 2009 @ 3:02 p.m.

That's because everyone died before they turned 40 thousands of years ago! They had to breed to proliferate the human race. To be leering at teenage girls when you are an old guy now just makes no sense, because as a male your breeding days are over as well. Sure, you have the occasional old fart knocking up the young chick (Mick Jagger) but for the most part it is just an excuse men have been tossing around for years in order to get away with looking at girls who are young and pretty. Don't think women don't do the same thing. We just are not so obvious about it. And if men think that only men want to breed with younger girls, pulleeze! Why do so many older women have relationships with younger men nowadays? Because it is becoming more socially acceptable. Not because of some "biological" response. Although, when I think about it, hot, ripped, young guy vs. older, balding, paunchy middle-aged guy? Mmmmm, you guys might be on to something.....

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Barbarella Fokos March 8, 2009 @ 5:31 p.m.

Haha! MsGrant, you're hilarious. And I agree -- what do you guys think pool boys are for? ;)

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Ponzi March 8, 2009 @ 5:36 p.m.

"Gold Diggers" - Will be the featured topic on the Dr. Phil Show tommorrow (Monday 3/9/09 @ 3PM.

He has some women on his show that "only date wealthy men."

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JulieParrots March 8, 2009 @ 5:59 p.m.

Yeah, I suppose you folk's are all correct. And in response to post #17 Yeah the best men are the "wealthy" ones. "Wealthy" in their sense of humor.

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MsGrant March 11, 2009 @ 2:35 p.m.

Anti - you are often spot-on, but this time you are out in left field. I have no problem with women doing whatever the hell they want to themselves. But this is deep-rooted insecurity and zero self-esteem we are talking about, not a little touch-up. Yeah, I'm jealous of a drug-addled corpse.

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Josh Board March 9, 2009 @ 1:21 a.m.

Something else just came to mind.

Why do women get so offended discussing these issues? I'm not saying men get a free pass on cheating, because "biology makes us do it." In this day and age, we realize that when we're in a relationship, whether that's being married or dating someone, we don't need to cheat. Even if it's a gorgeous, 19 year old blonde.

And, any man with a brain is going to realize that, if he's in a happy marriage, has kids, a good job, a house...why mess all that up for a fling, just because you're sexually attracted to someone else? You don't need to act on that, and deal with all the ramifications from what could possibly go down by doing that.

But for women to naively act like men aren't driven, differently than women, biologically....c'mon. They are. Men and women are different. It's a fact of life.

Men like sex more. Study after study, has proved this.

More studies have proved that women can settle down better once kids are in the picture. Just like in the animal kingdom.

Do any of you women dispute any of these stats? Or, are you going to go down that cliche argument women like to say when this topic comes up: "we like sex just as much, or more, than our spouses."

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Fred Williams March 9, 2009 @ 12:50 p.m.

I just had a look at this PB Millionaire.

What a buffoon! He has to pay his friends...

Seriously, this guy is so hosed-up that he's paying women to come and have dinner with him, offering $100 prizes and a job in the most desperate and pathetic ploy I've ever seen.

Tell you what...I'll give you some tips for free:

Tips for the guys:

  1. Be mysterious. When a woman I'm flirting with asks me what I do, I make up something completely ridiculous like "I'm from Mars doing social science research on human mating patterns". It's irresistible.

  2. Do something memorable together. See the research...portions of the female brain associated with memory are activated when she's attracted. This is why both being funny and having money are big turn-ons for women. Rich and funny guys have more ways of creating enduring memories...as do the "bad boys".

Tips for the gals:

  1. The geeks will inherit the earth. That musician turns you on, and you just know you can change that bad boy with your love...but you'll be happier with that slightly chubby science fiction fan who makes good money and doesn't mind doing the dishes.

  2. Get off the victim train. We're neither suspects nor dishrags, and certainly not your therapists or best friends. We're just guys. Being born with a penis is not a crime, and having the gift of a vagina doesn't provide inherently superior moral reasoning.

Tips for both:

  1. Everyone cheats. It's not just a male thing...otherwise, who do you think those guys are cheating WITH?

  2. We seem evolutionarily adapted to have relationship cycles that last about 4 years. If religion would get out of the marriage business, then we'd recognize that serial-monogamy is the norm. That could lead to a much happier and saner society. If you enter relationships knowing this undeniable fact, you can do well for your offspring and financial future with reliable plans instead of wishful thinking.

Happy hunting everyone.

And, Josh, if you crash this PB Millionaire's thing, be sure to laugh in his face for everyone here on this thread. He's neither a millionaire, nor judging from his pathetic plea for friendship, is he very successful with the ladies.

He sounds like the most boring guy in the world...put me in the same room and I could snatch away each and every woman he tried to chat up. Sure, those girls might take a few minutes to separate him from some of his fool's money, but they'd all want to go home with me.

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Josh Board March 10, 2009 @ 2:16 a.m.

That's great in theory, Julie. And I don't doubt that you are that way. But, let's take another "Cross" as an example. Christopher Cross, who has that beautiful voice, and had the hit "Sailin'" and the theme from Arthur. Well, the record company didn't put his face on his album cover, because he was heavy, red-haired, and not the best looking guy in the world. They feared women wouldn't be into him, if they saw what he looked like.

It's one thing I've always said to my male friends when they bitch and bitch about women just being about the money. There are guys that are average looking. Even guys that are "ugly" that can pull women, because they are funnier, or have a great personality. Yet, if you take an unattractive women, that has the best personality in the world...the guy is probably not going to be interested.

But if John Goodman wasn't rich and famous, he probably wouldn't have a problem getting a woman. He has a personality that could get a woman. But if Roseanne wasn't rich and famous...she would be a housewife in Nebraska, living in a trailor and married to a mail man (wait...that was her first life, before fame and fortune).

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antigeekess March 10, 2009 @ 8:29 a.m.

Jeezus, too much to address in this thread. But FRED?

"Tips for the guys:

  1. Be mysterious. When a woman I'm flirting with asks me what I do, I make up something completely ridiculous like "I'm from Mars doing social science research on human mating patterns". It's irresistible."

Um, I would think you were evasive and probably married or a serial killer. But that's just me.

"2. Do something memorable together. See the research...portions of the female brain associated with memory are activated when she's attracted. This is why both being funny and having money are big turn-ons for women. Rich and funny guys have more ways of creating enduring memories...as do the "bad boys"."

That's a decent suggestion. 1 for 2.

"Tips for the gals:"

(No quarrel with #1.)

"2. Get off the victim train. We're neither suspects nor dishrags, and certainly not your therapists or best friends..."

If partner doesn't equal best friend, that's a problem.

"Tips for both:

  1. Everyone cheats..."

Scaaaaary. That's DawgTalk, Homey. (Hey, that's a good show title, isn't it?)

"2. We seem evolutionarily adapted to have relationship cycles that last about 4 years."

And this is based on? Scientific fact, or your own personal boredom threshold?

"If religion would get out of the marriage business, then we'd recognize that serial-monogamy is the norm. That could lead to a much happier and saner society. If you enter relationships knowing this undeniable fact, you can do well for your offspring and financial future with reliable plans instead of wishful thinking."

I don't think religion has much to do with it either, but you really think "serial monogamy" -- and therefore the current "norm" of divorce and kids without a father around -- is the best thing for 'em? Yikearoo. I'm pretty sure the evidence will show that kids -- boys in particular -- do not benefit from this current fact of American society whatsoever.

"...put me in the same room and I could snatch away each and every woman he tried to chat up. Sure, those girls might take a few minutes to separate him from some of his fool's money, but they'd all want to go home with me."

Um, well this one would have run away when you pulled that "myserious" crap, so...

Fred, Fred, Fred...

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antigeekess March 10, 2009 @ 8:39 a.m.

Puppy barked:

"When I would see Anna Nicole Smith say it was "true love" between her and Marshall (despite the fact she never lived with him) I would barf up my dinner."

Did you see her crying on the witness stand over him? She was very emotional about him, and she wasn't that great an actress.

Any woman who looks the way she did normally attracts CREEPS of every horrid kind imaginable. And even the "typical" male reaction to someone THAT beautiful, with THAT kind of body is pretty squirrelly. Big boobs and blonde hair in particular just tend to invoke stupid assumptions and bad behavior, in my opinion.

I actually think she had quite a bit of affection for the old guy. Because I think he was the only man she ever met that treated her well. Apparently, he genuinely adored her. Being the "apple of someone's eye" goes a long way.

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SurfPuppy619 March 10, 2009 @ 12:21 p.m.

I actually think she had quite a bit of affection for the old guy. Because I think he was the only man she ever met that treated her well. Apparently, he genuinely adored her. Being the "apple of someone's eye" goes a long way.

You cannot be serious!

The only thing Anna Nicole had ANY affection for was $$$$$$. Larry Birkhead treated her like a queen, and she treated him like a dog (hence her moving to the Bahamas to try to deprive Larry of seeing his daughter-and trying to rip off the owners of the home in the Bahamas where she was livign for FREE).

If you think Marshall was the only person that ever treated a hot playboy/guess/movie star model good..........well, that is a common line spouted by beauty queens (and "millionaire" guys like discussed here). It is simply not true.

People like Smith and these "millionaire" guys looking for "Ms Right", they are basically shallow people who view others only in the light of how they can help them- not how they can help others.

BTW, for the record-I never found Anna Nicole very attractive- I think a lot of it was I viewed her as a gold digger with the brain power of a circus chimp. That was a huge turn off for me.

I wonder if most men would feel that way about her????????

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MsGrant March 10, 2009 @ 6:48 p.m.

Who could find Anna NS (it pains me to even type her entire name)attractive? That cartoonish stereotype of feminine form is achieved through plastic surgery and is the atypical form preferred by adolescent boys who adore comic books, old farts. and "gentlemen" like the PB millionaire (I refuse to capitalize his name). It is available in its live form to men with money, because no sane woman would do that to herself in order to attract weird men with bucks.

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antigeekess March 11, 2009 @ 9:18 a.m.

Jealousy isn't pretty, people. :)

I got tired of people bagging on Anna Nicole/Vicky Lynn a long time ago. She was beautiful, that's all she ever had to be to make her living and get along in life, and people HATE that.

I mean, to say the woman wasn't even attractive? In the early 90s, she was simply breathtaking.

http://www.leandrotoro.com/upload/2006/11/Anna%20Nicole%20--%20Blonde%20Goddes%20in%20Guess%20ad%20Marciano.jpg

http://www.leandrotoro.com/upload/2006/09/Anna%20Nicole%20moono.com8.jpg

At 36 and after dropping some weight, still the most gorgeous blonde on the planet:

http://www.hotreport.net/userimages/user3148_1179361722.JPG

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20070222/293.smith.anna.022207.jpg

Nobody ever has any sympathy for women who look like her, no matter how jacked up their lives are -- and hers was no picnic. I totally get it. Also, as far as I can tell, she didn't have any plastic surgery. She always had that great bone structure -- even in school, and ample boobage. If she did, for her it was definitely "business related." You gotta buncha people whose livelihood depends on the way 'you' look, you do whatever's required to enhance/maintain.

Not that I'd have a problem if it 'was' just vanity. I wouldn't. In fact, I look forward to a few of my own little "procedures," which should commence within the next few years. :)

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antigeekess March 11, 2009 @ 9:48 a.m.

And regarding the whole "gold digger" thing, what the bloody 'ell do you guys think 'most' marriages are about? It's a financial arrangement where a woman marries some dude who puts her feet to sleep but who'll be a "good provider" to make some more little consumers with. His sex drive, her baby drive. A perfect match. Ain't Nature smart?

Got some news for the High & Mighty, Judgie-Wudgie set:

Seldom is it 'really' a case of "I love YOU." It's more like that old Toyota slogan: "I love what you DO for me," whether people realize it and are willing to admit it or not.

Wanna test it? Figure out whatever your significant other likes you to do, and stop doing it. Then, change your looks, pick up a new hobby or two, and otherwise change enough stuff to challenge the confines of the box they've stuffed you into in order to feed their own ego identity. Do stuff to make yourself MORE attractive while they let themselves go to hell. In short, just grow a little in ways that benefit you (which shouldn't be a problem for a partner that loves 'you'). Then, watch the resentment and eventual tantrums ensue.

What was that line Jack Nicholson (as the devil) spoke in The Witches of Eastwick? Ah, here it is:

"When a woman unloads a husband -- or when a husband unloads a woman -- however it happens -- death, desertion, divorce -- the three 'd's' -- when it happens, a woman blossoms. Blooms. Like flowers. Like fruit. She is ripe. Talk about power. That's the woman for me."

;)

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SurfPuppy619 March 11, 2009 @ 11:14 a.m.

I got tired of people bagging on Anna Nicole/Vicky Lynn a long time ago. She was beautiful, that's all she ever had to be to make her living and get along in life, and people HATE that.

Oh Geekess, please.

Anna Nicole did not "make a living" off her "beauty", she made it ripping off old men on their death bed. ANS had the brain power of a bag of rocks.

I am surprised you would make such a comment about an issue that is so obvious.

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Josh Board March 11, 2009 @ 5:12 p.m.

Okay...so often, I disagree with anti. But she is on to something here.

First, with Fred talking about "mating rituals of humans." It sounds cute, but I wouldn't use any humorous line that involves the word "mating". It would only make the woman think that's the only thing on your mind. But, anti, I seriously doubt Fred would keep that up if the woman asked again what he "really did" for a living.

Regarding personal bordem threshold, that's a great line. Not sure why Fred went 4 years, when there's already that phrase about the "7 year itch". I say at about that time, most people that married young (meaning 25 or young), say to themselves "Oh brother, what did I get myself into?" This isn't based on me, as I've never been married, but all my friends that married that young. And others I didn't even know, but read/heard about. You realize when you're 35...that there are a lot of people in the world. Many of them that probably had a lot more in common with you then your current spouse.

And, I agree with Anti about Anna Nicole Smith. Her looks did nothing for me, but she certainly wasn't a bad looking woman in the early days. Yeah, the IQ of a box of rocks....

And also, Howard Stern said it best. That she really did love him. He pursued her for almost two years, and she wouldn't go out with him. If she was a "gold digger" she should've jumped on that (so to speak) on day one! And, as Stern said...she was too stupid to even plot out something this good (I'll marry him 9 months before he dies...I mean, why not that year earlier?)

And she wouldn't have to cry and carry on in court, as he already signed the will, so the big song and dance isn't necessary.

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MsGrant March 11, 2009 @ 7:58 p.m.

You should get married when you are older, and not necessarily to have children. I like Fred's idea about taking religion out of marriage. You are more likely to procreate at a younger age, and it is less difficult to raise children when you are younger. You are actually less selfish and closer to being a child yourself. I see the older moms picking up their kids at school and they look like hell. The younger ones are happy and at ease with their children. What I am getting to is that our society requires (or at least requests) that you be married in order to have children. What a bunch of hooey. But what are the alternatives?

So, back to ANS. I think she did herself in on purpose. She desperately wanted to identify herself with Marilyn Monroe, who also died of a drug overdose at the age of 36. She was no MM, and maybe the old guy was her Arthur Miller. Anyway, she was tragic, in a perverse kind of way. Sure, everyone will say it was a conspiracy, that Stern fed her drugs to keep her pliable and give him access to her money, but, really, who cares? All that those good looks got her was dead. She was born to be exploited.

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SurfPuppy619 March 11, 2009 @ 8:12 p.m.

And also, Howard Stern said it best. That she really did love him. He pursued her for almost two years, and she wouldn't go out with him. If she was a "gold digger" she should've jumped on that (so to speak) on day one!

Considering the fact that Howard K Stern was flat broke, had no money and had only one client-ANS-that statement does not support your claim that she was not a gold digger. In fact it reinforces the fact that she was a gold digger.

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Fred Williams March 12, 2009 @ 5:48 a.m.

Re: 4 years relationship average. That comes from Dr. Fisher's research. Read it for yourself...

http://www.match.com/magazine/article2.aspx?articleid=9054

Anti, no, your partner is not your "best friend" unless you are a control freak. Get your own friends, and let him have his too, or you'll suffocate the relationship. This is exactly the kind of unrealistic Oprah-based mythology that wrecks people's lives.

Being born with a vagina DOESN'T make you a relationship expert. Do some actual reading in current research on the subject before you spout off your tired old myths.

In the meantime, I've got another date tonight...how about you?

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SurfPuppy619 March 12, 2009 @ 11:31 a.m.

Being born with a vagina DOESN'T make you a relationship expert.

OMG, that line is going into my book for future use~!

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Josh Board March 12, 2009 @ 3:36 p.m.

I agree that women get to into the "he's my best friend" logic. In fact, I got into a huge argument on that radio show A WAY WITH WORDS, because I was dating a woman at the time who claims your wife/husband should be your best friend. And I told her, the very definition of "best friend" means "FRIEND," of all your friends, the one you like BEST. It doesn't mean your sister. Or your husband. You could say "I'm closer to my sister than I am any of my friends. She's LIKE a best friend to me." Or, you could say that about your spouse. But they ARE NOT your "best friend."

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antigeekess March 13, 2009 @ 12:38 a.m.

Aw Board, that's just silly. "Friend" and other relationships aren't automatically mutually exclusive terms. I think if you interviewed couples who've been together for decades and are still HAPPY (if you can find any of those), they'd probably say they were best friends. In fact, I've seen old fart interviews that go just like that.

Fred, I notice that most people who accuse others of being "control freaks" -- are usually control freaks. It's a little thing psychologists call "projection." Can't stand it in yourself, so you project it onto somebody else. Pretty basic.

And no, being born with a vagina doesn't make anybody a relationship expert, any more than being born with a penis does.

Or any more than dating a bunch of different women makes you some kind of prize. For example, I assume that the last very clever, charming, manipulative, fake-faced a$$hat I dated is probably out with the most convenient female he could rustle up as well.

And she can have him. :)

But it is very "male" to be all about quantity instead of quality. So congrats on that. I guess...

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Josh Board March 13, 2009 @ 1:37 a.m.

Wow...Fred. It sounds like anti just handed you your ass. Say it ain't so?

Regarding the "best friends", I just mean in terms of the definition of those words. And also, with the fact that women also seem to get into that mind set, and can get jealous, of a male "best friend" you have. Not all, but some.

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MsGrant March 13, 2009 @ 8:54 a.m.

What exactly are you looking for, Fred, in your serial dating, if not a relationship? You guys are sterotyping. If anything, your myths are the ones that are "tired". Most women past the age of 30 have bigger fish to fry than worrying about their significant other's friends. I love my husband's friends, because they give me no reason to be insecure. They are happily married MEN and WOMEN. Yes, they exist, Fred. I know you want to cling to your beliefs that every four years you need to sow new oats, but it just ain't so. Every single person I know right now is DESPERATE for a relationshep. They are on all those dating websites, wondering why the other person has not called. And you older, single guys keep perpetuating these myths that women are clingy and need a man to be fulfilled, or get jealous of their friendships with others. Obviously, you are not marriage material. Same with you, Josh. You both hoard your single status like some pathetic badge of honor. I don't think that referring to your spouse as your best friend is a bad thing. Who else has your back ALWAYS? You wouldn't know, because you do not have the priviledge of being married to someone that complements you rather than tears you apart. Until then, continue dating, for whatever reasons.

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Fred Williams March 13, 2009 @ 9:48 a.m.

Anti, are you projecting that I'm projecting?

:-)

What fun this is.

Ladies, the four year thing is not my theory...it's Dr. Fisher's, and it's backed up with considerable evidence.

I travel a lot in my work, (I'm in Europe at the moment), but San Diego is always my home. It's the nexus of some of the most fascinating and important research in cognitive science in the world. By finally being able to piece together how our brains actually work, as opposed to how we used to theorize they work, we're finding out the roots of human behavior.

The last few years have seen amazing breakthroughs. I pass them along because I want to spread these new memes widely.

I don't believe I wrote anything about "myths that women are clingy and need a man to be fulfilled, or get jealous of their friendships with others."

I don't think I "hoard my single status like some pathetic badge of honor." Neither do I consider quantity to beat quality in dating. I'm not at all sure where those claims come from.

I'm actually a quite boring guy who loves reading books, dislikes noisy crowds, and abhors the bar scene. But I also sing and write songs, paint and draw, speak a couple languages, travel the world to work on interesting projects, and am very active in politics. So a lot of women are interested in me.

That doesn't mean I'm interested in them. I'm especially annoyed by otherwise attractive women whose heads are filled with nonsense about relationships. It's probably the biggest turn-off I find in American women. (Not that most American men are much of a prize.)

I blame the education system and popular television shows using emotional claptrap to bring an audience, then dispensing patently absurd nostrums that sound good but mean nothing.

The more we all learn about how relationships work, rather than how we wish they worked, the better off we'll all be. I encourage my critics to look into the research and see for yourselves how this knowledge can improve lives.

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MsGrant March 13, 2009 @ 10:13 a.m.

What makes you think our lives need improving? Or construe others opinions as criticism? Yes, theories are great, but there are exceptions to everything. If your theories are indeed true, then I am fortunate to be just that - the exception.

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Fred Williams March 13, 2009 @ 10:24 a.m.

I intentionally wrote "improve lives" NOT "improve your lives" just to avoid that interpretation.

Again, these aren't "my" theories. They are the theories of well-respected researchers (some of them at UCSD), based on new evidence found through rigorous research utilizing new technologies. Check it out. It's fascinating.

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antigeekess March 14, 2009 @ 12:10 a.m.

ANS Update (in case anybody missed it):

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/13/anna.nicole.charges/index.html

Yeah, I always thought so.

Fred:

"...put me in the same room and I could snatch away each and every woman he tried to chat up. Sure, those girls might take a few minutes to separate him from some of his fool's money, but they'd all want to go home with me."

"In the meantime, I've got another date tonight...how about you?"

THAT is where the "quantity over quality" comment came from. And I read the article you cited, at

http://www.match.com/magazine/article2.aspx?articleid=9054

...which talks about the biological imperative to breed, spread seed around, and create a wide and varied gene pool. Surprise, surprise. Nature wants babies. Stop the presses.

Fisher (whose theory appears to be based on her interpretations of fact-gathering done by others) also says this:

"But there’s no doubt we can rise above any biological programming to break the bonds of couple-hood at the 4-year mark."

CAN, but don't want to, for the most part. As Fisher states, most couples bail when romantic infatuation wears off, and move along to the next one. That breeding program's been all too successful, and now there are too many fish in the sea (or whatever critter from the animal kingdom that you'd like to identify with).

Whatever.

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Fred Williams March 14, 2009 @ 2:44 a.m.

Oh, I totally agree with you Antie Geek. Even Uncle Nerd says we've over-bred like bacteria in a petri dish, and we might be facing collapse...

We CAN and probably SHOULD overcome our biology to act in the best interests of the community, and for our children's welfare.

That we don't, however, is predictable...and I thought I was just pointing out that people would be happier if they had contingencies for what to do if the love fades in four years, as is so very, very, very common in us humans.

:-)

fred

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Josh Board March 14, 2009 @ 2:48 a.m.

MsG...I don't "hoard" my single status. I mention it sometimes, when I feel it relevant to a topic on hand. I just always say people that marry before the age of 30 are making a bad decision. An example would be to think about someone that broke your heart when you were a teenager. You would've married that person, and think about that now, how disasterious that would've been.

Re: "best friend", the phrase has a meaning. And spouse ain't it. Simple as that. I'll give you an example. Let's say your husband has a new secretary, that's 20 years younger, and super cute. You meet her at the company Christmas party (assuming the company didn't go under, like every other business seems to be). And he introduces you to the secretary as "...this is my best friend, Sylvia Grant."

I'd be willing to bet you nudge him in the side, cough, and say "Uh, his wife."

Josh Hoard

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bluenwhitegokart March 14, 2009 @ 5:43 a.m.

This is quite the conversation. I love the interaction, the back-and-forth, and I'm particularly fascinated by the points-of-view that tend to fall along the sex and gender lines.

It's hard not to stereotype; it's in our natures. It takes lots of practice until we get to the point where it's reflexively part of our nature NOT to stereotype.

We men look and listen to what a lot of women say they want in a man, and most of us try to pattern ourselves accordingly. And yet, we can't help see and hear what a lot of women actually go after in a man, and it jerks us around inside. Lots of women say "I want a sensitive man with a good sense of humor (or some similar inane claptrap)," and lots of women (or at least a small number of highly publicized women) go after guys like ANS's late husband of 9 months. Or Rhianan (talk about georgeous) and her Chris Brown.

Most men really do want to please their current and/or future woman. We will invest heavily in so doing, but we don't do mixed messages very well. We're not wired that way. The vast majority of guys will never be as rich as some of these women want their men to be, nor are we the abusing a$$hats that a lot of otherwise together, georgeous women put up with. The message to us is: "yes, I dance; I came here to dance. I just don't dance with guys like you, loser. You'll never be good (bad) enough, good looking enough, or rich enough to get on my dance card."

That's in spite of the fact that most of us were raised to treat women well; with consideration and respect, and so on. We were raised to believe that we were quite the catch, and that most any girl would be lucky to have us.
And around and 'round it goes.

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Fred Williams March 14, 2009 @ 9:49 a.m.

Bluen, at the risk of invoking another tsunami of outraged estrogen fueled invective...I gotta agree.

We're told to be kind, gentlemanly, considerate and mild. Then the same women who complain that men are pigs fall all over themselves to please the biggest jerk in the room.

Women lie to themselves just as much as men. While they say one thing ("I don't care if he's rich") they do another ("Oh, look, there's Cindy...she married a millionaire and I'm so jealous!")

An understanding of biology and evolution can help explain these things, but the relationship drivel peddled by the likes of Oprah and automatically regurgitated by most American women is completely wrong and counter-productive -- making people miserable.

But most women, in America at least, would rather cling to their comforting myths rather than give up their assumed mental/spiritual/emotional superiority. In this, my own home country, most women have been deliberately TAUGHT that men are evil or stupid.

Men and women are different, but complimentary. In my opinion, American women have set themselves up for failure with their delusions of superiority/victimhood, and it's richly deserved.

I live and work in other countries, and it's very refreshing to find women who aren't eager to scratch men's eyes out (see above) and can actually fit into a pair of jeans without creating a muffin-top. Women who have traveled, expect to support themselves, who understand that what men do is different from what women do, and who aren't offended by the fact that we think differently.

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antigeekess March 14, 2009 @ 11:06 a.m.

Fred opined:

"...people would be happier if they had contingencies for what to do if the love fades in four years, as is so very, very, very common in us humans."

I rather think that people would be happier if they grew up and stopped defining "love" as the romantic infatuation that only lasts a short time. As I observed before, "Nature wants babies." She turns both parties into essentially brainless vats of hornymones in order to get them. To expect this phase to last, however, demonstrates a basic naivete about human psychology.

The following article isn't particularly well written, but it'll do:

http://psychology.suite101.com/article.cfm/love_love_me_do

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antigeekess March 14, 2009 @ 11:22 a.m.

Hoard stated:

"I just always say people that marry before the age of 30 are making a bad decision."

I used to say that kind of stuff, but it's as variable as anything else. People vary so much with regard to intelligence, emotional maturity and other factors that it's not accurate to generalize like that. Those rare people who've been raised extremely well by competent parents, and don't have a hell of a lot of work to do on themselves are ready FAR before the rest of us, I think.

Coming from a large, 'functional' family may help a LOT, in too many ways to list. Things like sharing, being considerate of others' feelings and property, organization, teamwork, and just plain not sweating the small stuff come to mind. It seems to me that egocentrism and narcissistic personality disorder have almost become the NORM in America, and I think it may be a little difficult to be egocentric and narcissistic as one of a big bunch.

Of course, large families are no longer the norm in America and other parts of the world, which is GOOD news for the planet, but possibly BAD news for human psychological growth and maturity levels.

Anyway, I've pretty much come to the opinion that a 25-year-old is pretty much the person s/he's going to be as a 45-year-old, and that it doesn't make much difference. Most people just don't change/mature that much as they get older. Unfortunately.

You'll also note that I'm not participating much in all this Mars/Venus crap. I personally find this overgeneralizing about "males" and "females" to be devisive, oversimplified, and useless, at least in regard to personality.

Gender's a spectrum that's about a lot more than external genitalia.

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Fred Williams March 14, 2009 @ 12:13 p.m.

Anti, I love to read your posts, not just here but elsewhere.

Gender is indeed a spectrum. I am caught overgeneralizing, and tip my hat to you for pointing it out. I'll attempt to fling myself away from the poisonous orbits of Mars and Venus and keep in mind that my friends here of both genders are both wonderfully insightful and great to interact with.

Since I have nine siblings, maybe I'm qualified to agree that it's the emotional attachment that really matters. I like the article you posted. It seems to confirm what else I've read, and as I'm subject to confirmation bias just like anyone else, it pleases me to see my beliefs confirmed.

A mistake I sometimes make is to be too authentic and honest in the romance and lust stage, destroying the moment.

That's why I've learned the trick of flirting with the Surveyor from Mars line. They'll find out soon enough about my professional status and life pursuits if they're interested...the Mars bit is just to keep the mystery up and those endorphins flowing in both our heads. I like to be funny and talk like a Martian. It gives me lots of "permission" to comment on "human" behavior and see how she responds.

Also, frankly, the woman who cannot go along with a bit of a harmless joke and conversation device in a social situation is certainly not someone for me. The world is pretty messed up, so we have to laugh and have fun sometimes.

Well, it's already Saturday night here. I'm off to the local hospoda to sample the wonderful Czech pivo. I hope to sing a song called "Marlboro Man and Barbie Girl":

"Down to the pub, and drinking some brew Barbie is there, and she's had a few When Ken goes outside to check on the weather Barbie Doll says,

(falsetto) 'Marlboro Man, we should really get together'

But Marlboro Man He has no plan He just makes do With what is at hand He is a stranger In a strange land He has no Capitan, Cap in hand."

Hezky Vecer! (Good evening!)

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antigeekess March 14, 2009 @ 5:41 p.m.

"Anti, I love to read your posts, not just here but elsewhere."

Have I been Googled unawares?

And more importantly, is Martian anything like Klingon? I hope there's not clicking involved. Perhaps Uncle Nerd would know...

Happy hunting, Marlboro Martian. But FYI, I'm pretty sure Barbie's hanging out in L.A. and doesn't speak a word of Czech.

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MsGrant March 14, 2009 @ 5:59 p.m.

I've just come back from a day of skiing at Mountain High and look at all the fun I've missed!! Josh, you are correct. Logic prevails. It is dumb to refer to your spouse as your best friend in the context you present. Fred, the emotional attachment is the key to all lasting relationships. Without it, you're screwed (figuratively). And ANTI, I almost had dry martini come out of my nose when I read "Hoard stated"! Almost as good as "Puppy barked"! Anti, you might enjoy the book "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell. It sounds like you may have already, but if not, read it if you get a chance.

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Josh Board March 14, 2009 @ 6:32 p.m.

No recommending books in my threads. Save that for Oprah, ladies. Hehehehehehe...

So, my girlfriend glanced over my shoulder just now, and started reading the comments. She mentioned two things:

Why are you saying you're single? We're in a relationship (I then explained that, it's married/divorced/single. There's no slot for "in relationship" when discussing these things.

She also mentioned: Fred likes to point out that he works in other countries.

We both laughed at that.

Anti, I agree that about 70% of the population, will be the same person at 25 as 45. But, something to keep in mind is this. If you marry at say, 22 years old. And you're male. Let's say, for the sake of argument, you're STILL that same type of guy at 45. That may be. But at 45, you might meet someone you work with, that you are really attracted to. And with men and sex, that goes down all kinds of paths. You might think about how you only had two women before you got married. You might think a lot of things.

Now, had this same person waited 8 years to marry, at age 30...he's probably had more relationships, horrible dates, and he realizes what Paul McCartney and Paul Newman realized. They could have ANY WOMAN they wanted. And, they had their share of gorgeous birds back in the day. But now they've met women they love, and want to spend the rest of their lives with. And they know that two months after their wedding, they might meet a Sophia Loren look alike that wants to sleep with them. But they won't be tempted. Not the way that same person, who got married at 22 might be.

Kevin Costner was married for almost 20 years, with 3 kids. And he talked about graduating high school still being a virgin. And, he ended up cheating on his wife.

I'm not saying Costner WON'T cheat on his current wife (who is something like 15 years younger), but....

I just think waiting to marry until your 30 is the best bet for everyone. There are only rare exceptions.

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MsGrant March 14, 2009 @ 7:54 p.m.

"No recommending books in my threads. Save that for Oprah, ladies. Hehehehehehe..."

This is not reading for Oprah fans. It is for smart people.

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antigeekess March 14, 2009 @ 11:21 p.m.

Well thanks, MsG, but I haven't read it. Looks interesting, though.

http://www.amazon.com/Outliers-Story-Success-Malcolm-Gladwell/dp/0316017922/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237097653&sr=8-1

I actually thought the scenario presented by Board woulda been okay, as long as you both go by the last name Grant. Your hubby would be making a statement about the solidity of your relationship to this new chick, IMO.

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MsGrant March 15, 2009 @ 9:08 a.m.

Something about this is a little disturbing. It insinuates that most women will automatically sleep with a married man if there is mutual attraction. The scenarios presented are all younger, beautiful women and older, married men. That is more a fantasy than reality. I've actually encountered cheaters in the work place. They come in every shape and size. And age. Only once have I seen the hot, younger assistant/older, married executive situation. Most of the cheaters were fat, old, and/or unhappy.

"I live and work in other countries, and it's very refreshing to find women who aren't eager to scratch men's eyes out (see above) and can actually fit into a pair of jeans without creating a muffin-top. Women who have traveled, expect to support themselves, who understand that what men do is different from what women do, and who aren't offended by the fact that we think differently."

FRED!!! Please! Give us some credit. Not all American women are these pathetic, self-loathing, man-hating, unsophisticated creatures you have conjured up. Many of us fit into our jeans just fine.

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Josh Board March 15, 2009 @ 12:59 p.m.

(in my best Homer Simpson voice)

Mmmmm....muffins.

I agree, regarding cheating. And I'm willing to bet, in these other countries, people do the same narotic crap, cheating, office politics, and everything else, that happens in America. It's that whole type of logic, that Americans are just a bunch of ignorant people. It's the reason the French are such jerks to American tourists. Screw them!

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antigeekess March 16, 2009 @ 9:48 a.m.

MsG observed:

"Something about this is a little disturbing. It insinuates that most women will automatically sleep with a married man if there is mutual attraction."

Errrrrr....You think they won't???

Regarding muffins and muffin top, ain't it just like life that something so pleasant results in something so icky? Have no-latex sex, get an STD. Smoke cigarettes, get lung cancer. Eat muffins, get muffin top.

God is a cruel bastard that way.

Not only that, S/He probably has muffin orgies with weed-filled hookah pipes all over the place, and never gains a pound.

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MsGrant March 16, 2009 @ 1:38 p.m.

Nah, not if they have one iota of self-esteem. Okay, I wouldn't do it. When I was single (and even after I was married and sporting a ring), I had lots of married guys flirt with me at work. Even if I found them attractive, I wasn't about to jump into bed with them. Hopefully this will restore a tiny amount of trust back into you. Not all single women are gold-digging man-eaters trying to steal your husband. Give the guys some credit as well!

So if women get muffin-tops, what the hell do you call that enormous thing hanging over most American men's pants? A cake-top?

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Josh Board March 16, 2009 @ 3:20 p.m.

No. It's the name it's been for hundreds of years. A "beer belly". I think the reason "muffin top" became such a common phrase, was because sometimes women are wearing shirts that are short. And pants that hang down to show the thong. And instead, we see a roll of fat.

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antigeekess March 16, 2009 @ 10:50 p.m.

Grant optimistically opined:

"Nah, not if they have one iota of self-esteem."

See, I think that IF is a lot bigger than you think it is. You seem to think that self-esteem is the norm. We're at the point where little girls start trying their best to dress like skanks as soon as they're able to get away with it, and BJs are evidently the norm in junior high. Then you've got a role model like Rhianna getting the crap beat out of her and going back to the scumbag.

"Okay, I wouldn't do it. When I was single (and even after I was married and sporting a ring), I had lots of married guys flirt with me at work. Even if I found them attractive, I wasn't about to jump into bed with them. Hopefully this will restore a tiny amount of trust back into you. Not all single women are gold-digging man-eaters trying to steal your husband."

YOU wouldn't do it. Neither would I. And my primary motivation isn't even ethics. It's laziness. Because I know it's just more damn trouble than it's worth. :)

"Not all single women are gold-digging man-eaters trying to steal your husband."

This one definitely ain't, for the reason mentioned above.

"Give the guys some credit as well!"

I've already made that mistake -- that whole "give everybody the benefit of the doubt" thing. Found out that at least sometimes, even the ones who are supposedly ALL about ethics and glow with supernatural holy good-boy light? Um, yeah...

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antigeekess March 16, 2009 @ 11:39 p.m.

Oh, and Board:

Muffin top specifically refers to that phenomenon in which a roll of fat is sticking out over the top of the waistband, like the top of a muffin over the paper cup. From jeans being too tight. You can see muffin top through a snug t-shirt.

Of course, there's also that horrible affliction known as "Dunlap Disease." As in "My belly done lapped over my belt."

:)

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MsGrant March 17, 2009 @ 8 a.m.

Sorry, I got lazy and started losing my fight. Yeah, I was raised by a working mother who worked in an industry dominated by men. She was a senior draftsman for a design company, and she went on to manage at IBM. She got her private pilot's license, and flew her own Beechcraft Debonair that she owned with her boyfriend. While she was not perfect, she instilled in us a certain amount of confidence that if the boys could do it, so could we. It's like women gained so much and then slid backward. So many of my friends stopped working when they had children. I had one who got all wrapped up in Dr. Laura to support her decision to stay home. I finally convinced her that Dr. Laura was a nut, but she was ready to come to that conclusion on her own after she realized that she was just getting angrier at her husband the more he tried to support her. All the girls now want to be celebrities or make money with their bodies. And you're right about their role models. What a bunch of losers. You know that Hannah Montana girl is a year away from rehab.

Fred bowed out of this, but I really should have called him on something. I, too, have been to Europe, and the men there are divine. Slender, good-looking, interesting. Not that they do not exist here, but the ratio is low. And the women here, and particularly in Southern California, are making themselves nuts, trying to be all things. Forever young, desperate for a man after 40, working in fields that are so competetive that their souls are dead. I actually wish we were more like Europe, where the sexes are allowed to be separate but equal.

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Josh Board March 17, 2009 @ 9:02 a.m.

Hanah Montana has had a boyfriend that is 20, while she was only 15. Insane that her parents, her people, and hell, the DA...doesn't go after him for statutory rape. It's one thing if she was 18 or 19, dating a 20 year old. But 15?????

MsG...what's up with European guys wearing Speedos on the beaches? I'm fine with the women being topless in the UK, but I don't need to see men in Speedos.

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MsGrant March 17, 2009 @ 9:20 a.m.

There are so many things wrong with that - it would take too much thought to figure out why certain parents exploit their kids for money. Dina Lohan comes to mind. Her kid is f**ked for life. And these kids were presented to our kids as "innocent" "virgins" etc. What a bunch of crap.

Europeans are far more comfortable with their bodies than we are. I had a boyfriend who was German. His parents came to America from Germany. When we would visit them, I would see them naked all the time! Not on purpose! Like one time, I got up in the morning to go pee, and there was his mom, loading the dryer stark naked. I went skiing with him and his dad once. We go to his dad's room to get him and he says "come in". There he is, in his bikini underwear. I almost died.

See, part of our problem here is that we market a certain perfection that is not attainable to the mere mortal. Were we to be more realistic about our bodies, we would be far more comfortable with nudity and even speedos. Of course you are fine with topless women in the UK. As long as they are young and perky. That is the double standard for you, right there.

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Josh Board March 17, 2009 @ 10:35 a.m.

I was just being sarcastic. I really don't want to see anyone naked. I know that's weird, but you can take the most attractive woman on the planet. To me, she looks best in a nice outfit.

I got in a huge argument, though, when I did a story on this nudist colony here in town. I didn't think it was cool that 8 year old kids are walking around, and seeing all these adults naked. I've just read to many things that say children aren't comfortable with that (as you just stated in your story above). I don't think kids should be in uncomfortable situations. And if you're some adult that wants to play volleyball naked, eat naked, and load the dryer naked...that's fine. Go for it. But don't bring kids into the world. And if you do, start wearing clothing.

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Josh Board March 17, 2009 @ 3:23 p.m.

You ladies are forgetting something. Fred didn't bow out of this. The dude has probably had about five dates a day, since landing in Europe. Give the guy a break. I mean, next time he's on the computer, he'll probably be typing his response with an ice pack on his crotch.

That's the funniest thing about Dr. Laura...you would usually agree with her advice. She says a mom should stay home with the kids; a child is better off with both parents, not a single mom raising them, etc etc etc. She just comes off as such a jerk talking to her callers. And, she won't even listen to all of their question. Yes, sometimes a radio host needs to do that, or the caller meandors all over and you spend an extra two minutes with them pontificating on some non-sense that has little to do with the issues. Yet, in all her years of doing the show, she can never gage when the caller is doing that, or just wants to full version of the story told to her.

Regarding European guys: why do they always smell like arm pit?

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antigeekess March 17, 2009 @ 3:50 p.m.

LOL. Poor Fred. So much research to conduct, so little time...

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Bean08 March 17, 2009 @ 5:37 p.m.

My dad always told me to never marry for money, but if the guy had money not to let that stand in the way!!! Perhaps AnnaNicole's dad gave her the same advice?

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MsGrant March 17, 2009 @ 5:43 p.m.

I wasn't dating European guys, just admiring the merchandise! Okay, anti, I happen to agree that if you can stay home with your children, it is the best for all concerned. Just be comfortable with your decision. Some women make life a living hell for their husbands because they are cooped up with the kids all day while he is having adult interaction. And you get that lack of discipline thing in restaurants or other's homes because they are exhausted and just do not feel like parenting anymore. I am not making excuses - you make your bed, you lie in it. But some women have no choice but to work. And those that chose to work rather than sit home all day with kids usually have nannies or help. They don't dump them in day care. One of the most common things I've heard from women who stay home with their kids is they are ISOLATED. We no longer live in caves or in villages. Our society and the way we live does not allow for the elders and women-folk to all band together with the little 'uns. The elders are in their Winnabago on their way to Canada. The dad is golfing with his buddies. The woman who stays at home and is not the wife a wealthy man has to do all the housework, run errands, shop, cook and tow a screaming kid along while doing all this. One of the things I constantly remind people is that it is only for a few years. Soon the kid will be in school and you can start having a life. But I do agree that if you make the decision to have kids, you are responsible for making sure that someone trustworthy is taking care of them if you make the choice to work. Below is a letter to the Editor of the San Diego Union Tribune that I wrote and they published. It reflects my views pretty well.

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MsGrant March 17, 2009 @ 5:43 p.m.

Universal preschool idea fails the grade Regarding “Invest more in students under age 5” (Opinion, Aug. 29):

I have to say I expected more of a response to Julia B. Isaacs' commentary. I can only hope that the dearth of letters in response to this shameless request for a taxpayer supported baby-sitting service is the result of instant recognition of its absurdity.

Writes Isaacs: “Traditionally we have regarded the care of young children as the almost exclusive domain of parents. Yet many young parents today are stretched thin, trying to care for their children while early in their own careers and family life.” Yes, we regard their care as the domain of their parents, and rightfully so. They're their children, not ours. And choosing to have a family and a career is a choice, not a given, whether it be fast-food worker or busy executive.

If you are “early in your career and family life,” am I required to pick up the slack? I think not. While I can certainly sympathize with the struggle to balance work and family life, I am not going to pay to make it easier. When you make a choice, you, and only you, are responsible for the results.

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MsGrant March 17, 2009 @ 5:54 p.m.

Bean, the old saying is "it's just a easy to love a rich man as it is a poor man"! Or something close to that.

Fred is frolicking on the beach as we speak, with some tanned, topless, independently wealthy, emotionally secure, cultured, non-muffin-topping beauty. Doing research.

And anti, I love the Dallas-Fort Worth airport. Some of the best "people" watching in the country!! Love those belt buckles!!

I think we all agree Dr. Laura blows.

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Josh Board March 17, 2009 @ 6:24 p.m.

Fred is right now making alien sounds, putting a glove on his right hand, and in that robotic alien voice saying "I must now probe this human specimen." And the slightly inebriated woman is giggling at his humor!

MsG...I can't believe it! A letter to the U-T. You're cheating on me.

I've always said those same things regarding moms that stay at home, and it's also the reason that I say that if you have 3 or more kids, you are doing a disservce to those children. Because, when you're married, it's hard enough to keep a relationship with your spouse working well. You throw three or more kids, you can't possibly go to each soccer game, dance recital, help with homework, etc etc, and still be loving and sweet and fun for your spouse. It's burning the candle at both ends.

Yet, so many people have lots and lots of kids.

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MsGrant March 18, 2009 @ 7:37 a.m.

Josh, that goes back to Fred's observations about romantic love running it's course after about four years. I've seen couples who exist soley for the purpose of their children. They attend every thing the kid is involved in, which in my opinion is waaaay too much these days. The kids sleep in the same bed as them, run their lives, and leave them with no time to be together as husband and wife. And you know what? They like it that way. They have very little in common anymore except the children, and when they are together, their interaction with each other involves fighting. Over who is doing what, who is doing more, who is the better parent, who is contributing more - the bread-winner or the stay-at-home. Fast forward 12 years. The kids are gone, the divorce lawyer is called.

I am not cheating. It hasn't been four years yet!! Alas, like Fred, everyone wants a scrap of my wisdom, but Crasher always receives the main course! I am off to check on my stable of young European lads and Texas studs.

Oh, and anti, in response to your question "who raised you?" - I did.

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tushietushie March 18, 2009 @ 10:18 a.m.

I always thought about being an escort--- When I think about all the numerous guys I have slept with for free in my life, I would think, "Why am I not charging for this?" It's ridiculous and archaic how men still think of a woman when she sleeps around, she is branded by a man's double standard. If you sleep with a lot of guys - you're a SLUT and a WHORE and if you sleep with a lot of guys to make money - you're a WHORE. I would much rather be the second one - Just a WHORE and making money. Sounds like a much better deal to me all the way around!

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SurfPuppy619 March 18, 2009 @ 10:30 a.m.

^^^^Sweetie, you need more help than feedback can give^^^^^

Of cource I love the "how men still think" comment-so rich and textured in sterotyping.

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towelheadedcameljockey March 18, 2009 @ 10:34 a.m.

Aren't there already 657 real-ality shows on these topics?

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tushietushie March 18, 2009 @ 10:45 a.m.

well, it's true about how most men think and i believe that was the easiest and most succinct way to say it - I don't have time to be a blogger - first time I ever have ~

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Josh Board March 18, 2009 @ 11:08 a.m.

Well tushie, it is true that men think that way. And many women claim that isn't fair. But I have a way that explains that for anyone that doesn't realize WHY there is that double-standard. Now, let me state first off, that by saying this, it doesn't mean I think that it's right. It just is what it is.

I'll give you two examples. First, the teachers having sex with students. Often times, female teachers get less jail time, or none at all, for having sex with a 15 year old male student. Yet, the male teacher, that would have sex with a 15 year old FEMALE student, would probably do a few years in the state pen. Why is that? Well, I think it's for the same reason there's the double-standard the opposite way (where women sleep around, they are called sluts; guys are called studs). It's because a 15 year old GIRL sleeping with her male student, probably didn't enjoy it. If she did, for reasons that are a lot different than the 15 year old boy. The girl may have had a "crush", he was like a father figure, etc etc. The boy was just being a boy. He was aroused, and did what his instincts told him.

It's kind of like an argument I had with my mom when I was 15. She went on and on about how Madonna was a slut. And, my mom loved Marilyn Monroe. I said that Monroe was more of a slut than Madonna, because although she was having lots and lots of affairs, I bet she was enjoying them. Monroe didn't seem to enjoy them. She slept with the heads of studios, to get parts in movies. She slept with smart people, hoping they'd respect her "intelligence," and she always ended up feeling miserable after these episodes.

It all goes back to the same reason why a man can't be a prostitute, and make money (unless he was servicing other men). No woman would pay for it.

Although, they might pay for a guy that listened to their problems, cuddled with them, and.....(you get the point)

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SurfPuppy619 March 18, 2009 @ 11:57 a.m.

...LOL...please...you two are killing me...

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MsGrant March 18, 2009 @ 2:43 p.m.

"I said that Monroe was more of a slut than Madonna, because although she was having lots and lots of affairs, I bet she was enjoying them."

Huh?!? More of a slut? LOSE THAT WORD FROM YOUR VOCABULARY, MEN!! Since when does a woman having sex = slut? We can have sex, too. And enjoy it!! Or not! SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX!!!!

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Josh Board March 18, 2009 @ 5:18 p.m.

MsG...I understand your anger with that word. But it's just like when a woman is mean, people call her a "bitch", yet that word isn't used for a man. It's just one of those things.

But I'll tell you what. If you give me a word that works, for...let's say...a high school cheerleader, who slept with 7 different guys on the football team, texted, er, sexted a photo of herself naked to three different guys....I'll gladly use that word instead.

Should we go old school, for something like "hussy"?

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MsGrant March 18, 2009 @ 6:59 p.m.

Why do you have to have a name for her?

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antigeekess March 18, 2009 @ 8:24 p.m.

"Why do you have to have a name for her?"

Exactly. Name-calling is not something that's actually required.

(Much as I love referring to a certain type of dude as a Himbo.)

;)

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antigeekess March 18, 2009 @ 8:30 p.m.

"It all goes back to the same reason why a man can't be a prostitute, and make money (unless he was servicing other men). No woman would pay for it."

Oh dude, please. You've never seen a rich little old lady with a hot young guy?

Cougars don't cuddle.

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MsGrant March 18, 2009 @ 8:43 p.m.

"But I'll tell you what. If you give me a word that works, for...let's say...a high school cheerleader, who slept with 7 different guys on the football team" = guess she wouldn't go out with you in high school.

And we would pay for it. If we had to.

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antigeekess March 18, 2009 @ 10:21 p.m.

"And we would pay for it. If we had to."

Speak for yerself, G. I've never encountered any that was worth paying for. In fact, if I'd had a crystal ball and coulda seen a few minutes into the future, there's some I'd have paid to AVOID. As in, "Wow. I actually shaved stuff for that."

I'd be more likely to pay a monthly subscription for a "No Further Hassle Guarantee" from the United Creepy Fetishist Horndog Society of America.

Surely they've got an opt-out list I can get on, like the ones for junk mail and telemarketing.

;)

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Josh Board March 18, 2009 @ 10:37 p.m.

I don't know which was funnier of the two. The line about "cougars don't cuddle" or "shaving stuff for that." Priceless.

Okay, fair enough. No names required for a woman that sleeps around.

And, uh...I think if a girl slept with 7 guys on the football team, she might throw a bone (no pun intended) to a dude on the basketball team. I'd wear shoulder/knee pads and a helmet, if need be (that pun intended)

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Fred Williams March 19, 2009 @ 12:55 a.m.

Just time for a quick note in between love sessions...catching my breath.

A European man goes to Ocean Beach in his speedos. He sees all the American women laughing at him. Seeing some guys who seem to be attracting a better kind of attention, he asks them what's wrong.

"Well, if you want women to like you, you have to stuff a potato in your shorts."

So the next day, he returns with a potato in his speedos. It's even worse. All the women point and laugh.

He asks his friends what's wrong.

"Dude, you have to put the potato in the front of your shorts."

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MsGrant March 19, 2009 @ 7:06 a.m.

That joke's older than you, Fred!! Nice to know you have not been kidnapped by a harem of Swedish massage therapists.

That was my point, anti. If we had to. No woman will ever have to pay for it. Sounds like you're done with the XY part of the equation anyway. And, JB, you just can't help yourself. "No names required for a woman that sleeps around"? What do you call "A WOMAN THAT SLEEPS AROUND"? It's still a label. I think you think women don't enjoy sex. Why can't you call her a woman who likes sex? It just doesn't feel right to you, does it?

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Josh Board March 19, 2009 @ 9:30 a.m.

Well...a woman can enjoy sex. Doesn't that mean, that she can then have sex, and often, with the ONE MAN in her life? And again, this all goes back to what I was saying earlier...a woman that "sleeps around," often times is doing it for other reasons, than the physical enjoyment of it. It's the same way so many woman have had surgery to please men, yet they try to claim they did it for "themselves."

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kylee2009 March 19, 2009 @ 10:43 a.m.

For the last few months I have seen quite a lot of "ink" for the novel "Story of an American Escort", probably because the author is a local P.B. guy and even though I wouldn't think this read (just because of the title) would be my cup of tea, I did go to Borders downtown and bought the book. I must say I was pleasently surprised by not only the breezy flow of the story line but also the informative bits and pieces about the pay for play life-style of the girls that work in this "field" Entertaining to say the least...

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mitthbevnuruodo March 19, 2009 @ 11:33 a.m.

I've lived in the UK for the last 8 years, and I've never seen topless women on beaches. Just in tabloid magazines on page 3 or your regular mens mags. And, in the UK at least, it has nothing to do that people are more comfortable with their bodies, it's just incredibly more sexist here, than in Ca. at least. Females here sleep around about as much a guys, but aren't so much labeled with the slut term if they do. But most people when they go out, go out to get absolutely hammered, so many don't really remember and if they do, it's not something you're supposed to talk about much apparently. British men have made me appreciate American men, though I guess I could say non-redneck type sorry LOL. As for sex, I often have had a higher sex drive than my bf's. But that might be because I never sleep around in between bf's so am making up for lost time haha. I prefer personality way more than money or looks. I actually don't usually trust people who seem 'too' successful or are very attractive, not sure why. Though I would prefer someone who worked and liked to work over someone who's lazy LOL But I like to be able to support myself and not depend on someone, so it's not because I want them to work to support me. So I don't know how that fits in with all the gender stuff. Oh, and you get used to seeing guys in speedos and the pools and beaches. I think American guys are just raised to be more modest for some reason. Leave it to Beaver kind of thing I suppose LOL

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SurfPuppy619 March 19, 2009 @ 11:51 a.m.

I prefer personality way more than money or looks.

Errr...sure you do.

I swear, that is the most common BS line to ever come out of the female mouth- and it's used overtime.

I think Josh said it best, women do not line up to go out with George Carlin, but they sure line up for George Clooney.

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antigeekess March 19, 2009 @ 2:21 p.m.

"I think Josh said it best, women do not line up to go out with George Carlin..."

Not any more they don't.

http://www.tmz.com/2008/06/23/george-carlin-headlining-in-heaven/

But as for Clooney, females still might have better luck with Carlin. Not that I'm "an inside source," or anything. I'm just sayin'...

Not a BS line at all, BTW. Women end up preferring personality over looks because the few good-looking men that exist are way too "popular" (faithful as a bunny on Spanish fly in springtime), extremely pleased with themselves and generally obnoxious.

Or gay. Mostly gay.

But John Lovitz isn't buying the personality/sense of humor thing, either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV3zmtD6AnE

I think he's full of crap, though. I heard he dates Playmates.

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Josh Board March 19, 2009 @ 3:54 p.m.

Well, using Jon Lovitz is a weird example. On one hand, he has money and women know that. On the other hand, he's funny, which women "CLAIM" is the thing they like most in a man.

Here's the reason, surfpup, that women always use that line. They've probably all dated a guy with money, or met a guy that was rich, and was a real jerk. So when it ended, or it never got started, they give themselves props because "hey...I didn't date him just for his money." But, they aren't realizing, that if the guy is rich and has a crap personality, sure, they might toss him aside.

But, if it's a guy that was geeky in high school, that they didn't give the time of day to back then.....well, now they are just an adult geek, that has millions. But, because they are nice, "don't look so bad without their glasses on," or whatever, they date and marry these men.

If that same nerdy guy was not rich, he wouldn't have a chance.

But I don't fault women for this. As Donald Trumps wife said in an interview, when asked "Would you be with him if he weren't rich?" She responded, "Would he be with me if I wasn't attractive?"

So, as antigeekess said many, many posts ago....BOTH get something out of the deal.

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SurfPuppy619 March 19, 2009 @ 4:16 p.m.

Here's the reason, surfpup, that women always use that line.

The reason woman use such lines about "personality" is because if they told the truth - looks, $$$$, THEN personality- it would expose them as the hypocrites they are (i.e. Anna Nicole Smith et al.).

Just MHO.

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MsGrant March 19, 2009 @ 5:16 p.m.

So what's the deal, Surf? Do you just hate us in general? You are dangerously close to misogyny. And you, JB, with your "they've probably all" generalizations. You are not women, so stop trying to figure us out. Especially in such a bad light. Women date a variety of men. Just like men date a variety of women. So, if he happens to have money, we are jerks. If he is good looking, we are jerks. If he is both, heaven help us. If he just has money and average looks, we are jerks. So, are we only allowed to date average looking marginally employed men?

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SurfPuppy619 March 19, 2009 @ 6 p.m.

Misogyny....LOL...I think you mean "misandist".

No, I don't hate anyone, but it cracks me up to hear the "personality" lines. At least men are honest and state up front looks come first, at least for many men.

MsG, notice your comment;

"So, if he happens to have money, we are jerks. If he is good looking, we are jerks. If he is both, heaven help us."

Neither of which put "personality" first (like I said).

It is 1) looks, 2)cash flow and THEN 3) personality.

1 and 2 can flip flop of course, but 3 is always last.

EOM.

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MsGrant March 19, 2009 @ 6:45 p.m.

Because you equate personality with poverty. No, thanks.

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tushietushie March 19, 2009 @ 8:28 p.m.

Personality - Schmansanality - even if you have good looks and a great personality and money - what if you have a little peepee? Then I say, YOU ARE OUT!

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SurfPuppy619 March 19, 2009 @ 9:51 p.m.

Personality - Schmansanality - even if you have good looks and a great personality and money - what if you have a little peepee? Then I say, YOU ARE OUT!

By tushietushie

Hmmmm... why does your comment not surprise me........

The fact is women and men are pretty much the same, no matter what women say about looks and money being minor factors.

But men are honest about it-women are not.

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antigeekess March 19, 2009 @ 10:51 p.m.

Puppy yapped: "Misogyny....LOL...I think you mean "misandist".


Why would MsG misspell "misandrist" (hatred of MEN), when she was talking about YOUR misogyny (hatred of women?)

Here's a new one for desirable male attributes: Smarts.

Because this is about the dumbest discussion I've seen in a while. "Looks" is entirely subjective. What's attractive to me is not necessarily attractive to another woman. Men are exactly the same in this respect. And EVERYONE notices a person's appearance before anything else, regardless of gender, physical preferences or sexual orientation. So, what's your point?

I 'will' say this, though: I see a LOT of pretty girls and women with butt-ugly men and boys who aren't even old enough to be "rich." When was the last time you saw a really good-looking man with a butt-ugly woman? Lemme guess. NEVER, maybe? (Unless it's some old cougar with a boy toy.)

"Rich" is probably more trouble than he's worth. My personal requirement is that somebody make at least as much as I do (which isn't that impressive) because I've had enough of paying for everything in the past. Screw that.

"Personality" is just as subjective. I think a lot of women overrate the whole "funny" thing, personally. It wouldn't be at the top of my list.

But all 3 have to be in the range of acceptable. For EVERYBODY.

"But men are honest about it-women are not."

Whatever, Dawg. The word, again, IS "misogyny."

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antigeekess March 19, 2009 @ 11:20 p.m.

In rather typical male egocentric fashion, Board declared:

"It's the same way so many woman have had surgery to please men, yet they try to claim they did it for "themselves.""

Well, when I get mine, it'll be to please ME, that's for sure. How do YOU know what an individual woman's motivation is for any type of surgery, JB?

Everyone likes to look better, even when they're the only ones looking.

:)

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Josh Board March 20, 2009 @ 12:47 a.m.

Good points, MsG, as always. I guess my entire point was this. Women should just stop yapping about wanting "sense of humor" first, or "personality," because we all love that in our significant other, so what's the point of saying it? It goes without saying, yet women keep saying it. And nerdy guys in high school keep going to dances without dates!!! And they might be funny. Hell, we all thought Michael Anthony Hall was funny in all those movies, yet he wasn't getting the dates, was he?

I do say, though, I have to disagree with surfpup. Men and women aren't alike, for reasons antigeek just pointed out. I know women that have gone crazy over John Goodman, yet have not met a man that has gone crazy over Roseanne. Women are much more willing to overlook appearance, if they dig the personality.

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MsGrant March 20, 2009 @ 7:54 a.m.

Ha, ha!!! Little Pee-Pee! Oh, this is making my day! JB, you are reverting to the celebrity world again. This is the real world, with real people. I'D probably date John Goodman if he asked me and maybe even Roseanne if I wasn't a happily married woman! Anti has an excellent point - intelligence. What a concept. That can trump just about any attribute. I don't like "funny" guys. A sense of humor is necessary, but funny guys are always "on", trying to be the center of attention. A good personality equates to not being an as*hole. That "bad boy" crap? Spare me. Rhianna can have them. And money? Again, like anti says, someone that makes about as much as I do is perfectly fine. Mmmm. Maybe some men and some women are more alike than we care to admit. And those are the couples that you see and read about that have been together for 50 plus years and still look forward to seeing each other every day.

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MsGrant March 20, 2009 @ 8:05 a.m.

That was a joke, by the way. About Roseanne. Real quick, chemistry is an odd thing. Surf, how do you explain all the average looking people that have found love? Go outside of Southern Cal for a day. Go to the Midwest. NOT that the Midwest is a mecca for average looking folks. But go there and look around. Lots and lots of big butts and baseball caps, walking around, holding hands, kissing, laughing. Nothing superficial about it. Just plain, old-fashioned love.

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Josh Board March 20, 2009 @ 10:46 a.m.

Not just "plain, old-fashioned love." I think a lot of times, when you see couples like that, it has to do with stupidity. I know that sounds horrible, but I saw a couple at a restaurant, from the mid-west. Woman was loud and obnoxious, he was missing a few teeth, wearing his baseball cap inside. Ill-mannered in all kinds of ways...and, I figure they are both dumb, and a perfect fit.

Regarding the "little pee pee" thing, that's another great thing about women. If they were dating a guy that was like that, they would be sweet. They'd say those cliches like "oh, size doesn't matter," or "I love being with you, and things are wonderful in bed." And, that guy would feel just wonderful about things.

In reality, the woman might prefer something else, but she's nice enough not to say that.

A guy, on the other hand, probably wouldn't be do diplimatic.

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SurfPuppy619 March 20, 2009 @ 11:06 a.m.

Puppy yapped: "Misogyny....LOL...I think you mean "misandist".


Why would MsG misspell "misandrist" (hatred of MEN), when she was talking about YOUR misogyny (hatred of women?)

Hmmmmmmmmm........geekess with a witty comeback, what is the Pup to do?

sar·casm (sär'kāz'əm)

A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.

A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

The use of sarcasm.

[Late Latin sarcasmus, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein, to bite the lips in rage, from sarx, sark-, flesh.]

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MsGrant March 20, 2009 @ 4:05 p.m.

"I think a lot of times, when you see couples like that, it has to do with stupidity."

That's because you don't see them here. Except when they are visiting, and you have a bias toward mid-western tourists. Are you saying that a hundred million unattractive Americans are all stupid? You are attributing good looks with intellegence. Some of the best-looking people are intellectually bankrupt.

"Regarding the "little pee pee" thing, that's another great thing about women. If they were dating a guy that was like that, they would be sweet. They'd say those cliches like "oh, size doesn't matter," or "I love being with you, and things are wonderful in bed." And, that guy would feel just wonderful about things."

Uh, I hate to break it to you, but the little pee-pee is a deal-breaker to most women. You wouldn't even make it to the "size doesn't matter" conversation. You think most women would happily put up with that awful scenario just to be in a relationship? Again, it's you thinking women don't enjoy sex. Where do you come up with these things? Are you dating a woman or a doormat?

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SurfPuppy619 March 20, 2009 @ 5:10 p.m.

Uh, I hate to break it to you, but the little pee-pee is a deal-breaker to most women. You wouldn't even make it to the "size doesn't matter" conversation.

By MsGrant

So MsG, are you saying you would not go out with a guy over a physical characteristic????

Now go back to what I said earlier about how women date;

"It is 1) looks, 2)cash flow and THEN 3) personality.

1 and 2 can flip flop of course, but 3 is always last."

Case closed.

Pup wins another round.

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antigeekess March 20, 2009 @ 5:22 p.m.

"Uh, I hate to break it to you, but the little pee-pee is a deal-breaker to most women."

Not to me, it wouldn't. I really couldn't care less. Wasn't it Richard Pryor that said something like, "The biggest hammer in the world don't mean nothin', if ya can't hit a nail with it."

Exactly.

Belief in the absolute necessity of those things reveals a sad (and sadly common) lack of creativity, IMO...

And I doubt Board's lady is a doormat. A thick-skinned saint, perhaps. ;)

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MsGrant March 20, 2009 @ 7:12 p.m.

Anti - you either like girls and use electronic devices or you don't have sex. You like sex with a fingerling?

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M. E. March 20, 2009 @ 7:33 p.m.

Perhaps the Reader could use this for next poll:

1) Big boob big dick big I want big b/c bigger means better.

2) The rest of us.

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antigeekess March 20, 2009 @ 8:34 p.m.

Noooooooooooo girls. Noooooooooo. I have an almost pathological aversion to coochie. But you don't have to like girls to like electronic devices, not that I'm a huge fan of those either.

Without getting personal, I'll just say that while oriented toward males, I'm wired a little differently in more ways than one, and leave it at that.

:)

P.S. What's a fingerling? Could they have called it a Fing-a-Ling and put Chuck Berry on the box? Sounds like an enormous marketing opportunity missed by all...

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The_Comedian March 20, 2009 @ 8:35 p.m.

"Sure, you have the occasional old fart knocking up the young chick (Mick Jagger)"


Maybe this just means Mick has a big , because apparently, that's all one needs to get by.

Hand her over a size DD penes, and MsG is ready to go. And if she decides to screw 200 well hung dicks alike, don't you dare call her a slut.

She's just woman (who loves, needs and wants to tell you all about "the big dick") hear her roar.

(Europe has nothing on this.)

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MsGrant March 20, 2009 @ 8:49 p.m.

Ha, Ha, Comedian. Not so funny. You are what we call a "jerk". So sorry that you come up "short". Awww. Are you saying that I need to sleep with "200 well hung dicks"? Heaven help me. I love those odds.

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MsGrant March 20, 2009 @ 8:54 p.m.

A fingerling is a little potato that smells like a fish. HAHAHA! That's an old joke. What's a sardine? A little fish that smells like a finger! Sorry, this is gross. Anyway, a fingerling is a little potato that roasts up like heaven. But it kinda looks like a little, um, ya know, that thing that makes me a big, um, ya know, whore, because I'm, um, not a big fan of it........

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SurfPuppy619 March 20, 2009 @ 9:54 p.m.

Thanks for the "jokes" MsG, I just threw up in my mouth.

Ewwwwww.............

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Josh Board March 21, 2009 @ 12:40 a.m.

MsG...I'm actually giving women a compliment, by saying they will stay with a man that might not be huge. I'm not sure how you took that to mean, they don't enjoy sex.

And, how do I know this? Well, lots of my female friends, and former girlfriends, have told me about boyfriends they had, and how they were small, and they hated that. But, they stayed in the relationship. Sometimes for years!

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Josh Board March 21, 2009 @ 10:45 a.m.

Another thing, MsG...I'm not sure what you're getting so angry about. On your quest to PROVE to us that you enjoy sex, it does absolutely nothing to prove your argument. An argument that men and women have been having for hundreds of years. And that is WHY men enjoy sex more than women. Just because you do, that proves nothing.

Also, regarding me dating a "dormat", I'm not sure what my girlfriends take on anything has to do with my opinions. When we disagree, she calls me on my crap. I've even mentioned that in many stories and blogs. That's hardly a dormat.

And, as Surfpup pointed out....so, if you are in love with your husband, you have kids together, he's a great provider and a great guy, but one day he just became impotent, you'd leave him?

Because, if a guy with a small pee-pee is a deal breaker, surely a guy that couldn't use his pee-pee, would be.

And, all that proves, is that sex to you, is more important. And, it also makes it bizarre that you would even knock Anne Nicole Smith. Because, aside from her just not being mentally there, if to HER, having a guy with money is more important, I can't see how you thinking sex is the most important thing, or a big pee-pee, is any better!

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MsGrant March 21, 2009 @ 12:16 p.m.

I'm not trying to prove anything. Nor am I angry. I am not arguing, I am merely stating a fact.

"MsG...I'm actually giving women a compliment, by saying they will stay with a man that might not be huge. I'm not sure how you took that to mean, they don't enjoy sex."

That is, hands down, the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You know nothing about women. I have a feeling your girlfriend loses the majority of these numerous "arguments" you seem to have, based on the fact that you pull out your peculiar brand of "logic" whenever someone does not agree with you. It's called bullying.

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andrea1221 March 21, 2009 @ 3:34 p.m.

I read most of the replies here and there is a lot of interesting points of view on the dynamics between men and women, but something stuck out to me. Someone stated "go outside of Southern Cal for a day. Go to the Midwest. NOT that the Midwest is a mecca for average looking folks. But look around." Come on! That is generalizing right there. I am an east-coaster, and I don't want to generalize about Californians but I guess I'll do a little of that too. The majority spend an awful lot of time focusing on superficial appearance. Sure, attractive people is what draws attention and what initially attracts men and women to each other but it can only take people so far. I realize saying this makes me sound like 2 bagger! But I don't consider myself unattractive. And on the other hand, there are things I'd also like to improve as far as my looks go. But it's just not what it's ALL about. Chemistry between men and women could consist of many different things. I think intelligence and yes -- sense of humor - there's that old stand-by (but it's true) are sexy and attractive in men. I see that before looks. I do see more women with less attractive men as far as looks go than I do men with less attractive women. Are men more shallow than women? I often wonder if that's true. But that's generalizing again. Because I know plenty of shallow women that only want money or looks in a man. And actually if that's what they want, more power to them. Everyone is wired differently. Money and looks in a partner without any substance wouldn't do it for me personally. Of course having the money, looks and substance sure would be nice though! But who has the energy to find the "perfect" person. And who wants perfect anyway. When in love, faults and imperfections of that person become almost "perfect" because it is part of what makes them who they are.

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SurfPuppy619 March 21, 2009 @ 4:56 p.m.

We need to give andrea her own afternoon relationship talk show :)

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MsGrant March 21, 2009 @ 7:25 p.m.

"Another thing, MsG...I'm not sure what you're getting so angry about. On your quest to PROVE to us that you enjoy sex, it does absolutely nothing to prove your argument. An argument that men and women have been having for hundreds of years. And that is WHY men enjoy sex more than women. Just because you do, that proves nothing."

Before I sign out for good. Would ANYONE care to chime in and tell me WTF that means? I was in no way trying to prove that I ENJOY SEX. I was trying to disprove your theory that women don't enjoy sex. You really are a sexist, bigoted pig. I will NEVER come back to this blog. I have overlooked your ignorance for a chance to express my own opinion. But you have managed to alienate your female audience. At least this female. So, suck up, anti, pup and everyone else who is afraid of Josh Board. He is stupid, eats at TGIF's and thinks it is the height of cuisine, and dates a doormat. Reader, rethink this as*hole with ZERO sense of humor.

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antigeekess March 21, 2009 @ 8:19 p.m.

And then andrea1221 became the lovely voice of reason:

"But who has the energy to find the "perfect" person. And who wants perfect anyway. When in love, faults and imperfections of that person become almost "perfect" because it is part of what makes them who they are."

Exactly. :)

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antigeekess March 21, 2009 @ 8:35 p.m.

MsGrant rants:

"So, suck up, anti, pup and everyone else who is afraid of Josh Board. He is stupid, eats at TGIF's and thinks it is the height of cuisine, and dates a doormat. Reader, rethink this as*hole with ZERO sense of humor."

Well, I've certainly NEVER been accused of being a "suck up," in ANY situation. I'd come closer to being accused of having Oppositional Defiant Disorder than sucking up. It's all part of my charm. :)

And I'm also not AFRAID of BOARD. I mean, that's just ridiculous.

You're coming off as a bit of a food snob, too, with the TGIF remark. But food at chain restaurants in California generally DOES suck, even at chains that are good in other states. (And true, I didn't remember what "fingerling potatoes" were, but then I don't eat potatoes.) But I'm not sure where that one comes from anyway. Was there a restaurant review in this blog that I missed?

Dragging his girlfriend into it just shows a lack of class.

As for zero sense of humor? C'mon. That's obviously not true.

A-hole? Perhaps. A bit. But I'll bet I could find people who think you're a bit of an a-hole as well. I KNOW I could find people who think 'I' am. If SOMEBODY doesn't think you're an a-hole, you're just not very interesting.

In my opinion.

:)

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SurfPuppy619 March 21, 2009 @ 9:21 p.m.

If SOMEBODY doesn't think you're an a-hole, you're just not very interesting.

Then I'm a MAJOR a-hole.....errrr.....I mean...wait.....what was it geekess??....Oh, now I remember= MISOGYNST!

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concernedmom March 21, 2009 @ 9:29 p.m.

With all this chatter about everything and anything I just thought i'd slip a thought or two in the mix. After reading last weeks article (Escorts and Engagments) my 18yr old daughter,apparently downloaded the Story of an American Escort. The real shocker was at breakfast when I asked her what she planned to do for the summer. To my total amazment she replyed "I was thinking of checking out an escort service" Coffee literally spewed out of my mouth as I almost chocked to death. I could not for the life of me figure out just what the hell she was talking about. quizzing her a little more closely she informed me that after reading this novel she thought it would fun to check it out. I thought for sure she was just kidding me, i mean we go the church on sundays and live in LaJolla, but I soon realized she was dead serious when she turned to me and said "I bet you I will be rich in just two or three months and have enough money to breeze through my first year at collage with out having to work at all...Im cencerned to say the least and any advice would be greatfully appreciated.........

By concernedmom 6:41 p.m., Mar 21, 2009 > Report it

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towelheadedcameljockey March 21, 2009 @ 11:23 p.m.

I don't think you'll see MsGrant anymore defending her Hoard in shining armour like we've seen on here many times before. And here she was saying how much she loved big dicks. Well Josh, guess you just weren't a big enough dick for her liking.

Being able to discuss things like a rational adult does get a bit tiresome when the posts reach over 150.

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antigeekess March 21, 2009 @ 11:45 p.m.

why doesn't your daughter have any self-esteem? What's going on there? Has she been sexually abused?

Are you sure?

That's almost unbelievable, concernedmom. Assuming your post is for real, I have a few suggestions:

  1. Tell her father (if she has one and he's not an abuser), and let him react however he sees fit. If he's any kind of a "father," he'll straighten her out and you won't have to do a thing.

  2. Get her to a shrink. She needs counseling. Make sure it's a female therapist. Insist she go. Get it done.

  3. Impress upon her that if she ever suggests such a thing in your presence again, she can consider herself an orphan. Make it clear to her that if she's going to descend into a world of drugs and violence that will eventually kill her, you have no desire to hang around and see it.

  4. Make her watch the following:

http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Charlize-Theron/dp/B00005JMUK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1237702267&sr=1-1

...and anything else prostitution-related you can find.

  1. Make her write you a 20-page research paper on prostitution, with footnotes, bibliography and at least 5 sources, only 2 of which can be online (so she can't just cut & paste everything). She supposedly wants to go to college, right? It'll be great preparation for what'll be expected of her there. Take her car keys and don't give her any money until it's done. She can start with this website:

http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/prostitution_research/000020.html

Good luck.

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concernedmom March 22, 2009 @ 11:03 a.m.

Thank you for the comments anti, my daugther has been brought up in a caring and loving family, so for her to even suggest such an outlandish move is completely mind boggling. Her father is an attonery and if I mentioned my conversation with Kadie to him he would be devastated. Yes, I am at a loss to say the least, thank you for taking the time to read this...

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Josh Board March 22, 2009 @ 12:13 p.m.

Make sure your daughter also realizes, that it's not glamirous, the way they may show in a movie like Pretty Woman, or America Gigilo (or whatever that Richard Gere movie was called...hey, he was in both those movies, weird coincidence).

Make sure she knows there would be the occasional guy that beats her, or doesn't pay her. Maybe knocks a tooth out.

You could go on and on down this path. Maybe rent a movie that shows the scuzzy side of prostitution. Try "Hustle and Flow". And, if your daughter tries to say "Well, I don't want to be a prostitute like that. They're making $25 in the backseat of a car in the south. I want to be one of the high-end call girls." You can explain that it doesn't work like that.

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antigeekess March 22, 2009 @ 12:27 p.m.

Puppy tried again:

"Then I'm a MAJOR a-hole.....errrr.....I mean...wait.....what was it geekess??....Oh, now I remember= MISOGYNST!"

Okaaaay. Well, you said it this time, pal. I didn't. And I'd agree with both of those assessments, if only you hadn't misspelled "misogynist" just like you did "misandrist."

Stick to cut and paste, like with the "sarcasm" post. It's hard to make any mistakes that way.

As for concernedmom, that's exactly the response I expected, if any. What you're saying with that is that you really don't want to 'do' anything about the situation -- other than a lot of hand-wringing, saying "Oh, my" a lot and, of course, praying, all of which will look very proper for a respectable church-going type, and garner a lot of sympathy for you in your social circle.

Hopefully, your daughter is just acting up to get some kind of rise out of you and create some drama. It's too bad that she feels she needs to do this, for some reason. That kind of behavior -- seeking negative attention -- usually means that they haven't received enough of the positive kind.

If she's serious, one can only hope that she either has some friends who have their heads screwed on a little tighter than she does, or that she has access to some adult she can communicate with, and who'll actually be interested enough in her welfare to communicate back instead of just sitting on their hands.

If 'I' were her father (assuming he genuinely cares about HER, and not things like appearances and social standing) and you kept this conversation from ME, I'd be absolutely furious. Especially if she ends up a drugged-out whore, getting raped and beaten. How "devastated" do you think he's going to be THEN? Give him some credit for being an adult, and give him the opportunity to rise to the challenge of parenting his daughter.

Of course, I realize that it's much easier to let things unfold and just "happen." You can always say that God did it. That way, people will say, "Oh, poor Gladys, her daughter..."

Stop playing the victim yourself and DO something, instead of just trying to appear appropriately concerned.

(Board, where are you? Apparently one of us is Dear Abby now, and since it's your blog, I'm voting YOU.)

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SurfPuppy619 March 22, 2009 @ 1:46 p.m.

Okaaaay. Well, you said it this time, pal. I didn't. And I'd agree with both of those assessments, if only you hadn't misspelled "misogynist" just like you did "misandrist."

Stick to cut and paste, like with the "sarcasm" post. It's hard to make any mistakes that way.

The man hate comes through so strong in your posts Darth Geekess...... Some man must have done you wrong gurlfriend...Oppppssss... me make typo..so sorry.

No dance spear chucking man hater.

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Josh Board March 22, 2009 @ 8:50 p.m.

Well antigeek...I refrained from really getting involved in this one, because something about that post strikes me as bogus. What you have to realize on blogs, just like with Jerry Springer or calls to Love Line and things of that nature...people also throw bogus stuff out there. And the way that story reads, strikes me as bogus.

I just don't see a teenager seeing an article like this, and deciding to "download" it, and then deciding to become an escort. The connection doesn't make sense.

It strikes me more as just something completely bogus, so the topic changes. Or, who knows what else. Could be someone that works for the company that released the book. It could be a woman that just wants attention. Who knows, but I highly doubt the situation is real. And if it is, I think it's easy enough to explain to your kid why that's not the best profession to go into (the health benefits alone are terrible!).

But it does remind me of this oldie but goodie:

A family comes out of their church service one Sunday morning. The Catholic nun says, "You're such a cute young girl, Susie. How old are you now? 10, right? What do you want to be when you grow up." The girl says, "I want to be a prostitute!" The nun, upon hearing this, faints (it's what nuns do).

When the nun comes to, the girl is crying and in hysterics. She apologizes to the nun, and explains to her "My mom told me what a prostitute actually does and how horrible a life it is. I have decided that being a prostitute isn't what I want to do when I grow up."

The nun, sounding relieved, says "Oh, that's great! A prostitute. I thought you said a PROTESTANT."

(and now, all the way from Osh Kosh, Wisconsin,we have a comedian who's been bumped from The Tonight Show three times...)

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antigeekess March 22, 2009 @ 9:28 p.m.

I had that thought. Especially since there were too many personal details revealed in it, including the daughter's unusual first NAME, for crying out loud.

And considering the fact that the "story" takes place in SD and there were local book signings as well, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't eventually find this blog.

His goal seems to be to "normalize" the notion of prostitution in the minds of (stupid) young women.

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SurfPuppy619 March 22, 2009 @ 9:42 p.m.

I think we need to give Geekess her own afternoon talk show...she seems to know everything about anything......♫♫

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antigeekess March 22, 2009 @ 9:46 p.m.

Yeah, actually, now that I look, the same post from "concernedmom" appears over on Jay Allen's blog as well. It's spam (which explains the generic "With all this chatter about anything and everything..." beginning.

Interestingly, it was replied to there by SurfPuppy619 as well.

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antigeekess March 22, 2009 @ 11:04 p.m.

I understand Europe's very furry.

(I hear they haven't yet discovered the wonderful world of wax.)

;)

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gofurry March 22, 2009 @ 11:12 p.m.

No, Europe is no longer furry, unfortunately. Last week, New Jersey almost came to it's senses and outlawed waxing, but the gov't changed it's mind at the last minute. Too bad. Hey! Don't worry, keep it furry! PLEASE!

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Josh Board March 23, 2009 @ 12:08 a.m.

Ummm...okay.

Hey, just a heads up. Earlier in this thread, I believe people requested I go to a party thrown by the PB Millionaire. Well, I went to one for St. Patty's Day. It'll be a few Crashers down the pipe line.

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Fred Williams March 23, 2009 @ 1:27 a.m.

With all the chatter here, I wanted to ask your advice.

My daughter Candy has decided to become a politician. She read a book by Karl Rove, and you cannot believe our amazement when she announced at the breakfast table that she was considering running for congress this summer instead of finishing college.

She's always been a good girl...but now we don't know what to do.

Can any of you give us some advice?

Thank you,

Concerned Dad

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antigeekess March 23, 2009 @ 6:10 a.m.

You named her "Candy" because you DIDN'T want her to end up on a stripper pole at Cheetah's?

Buy her a copy of "Story of an American Escort" & maybe she'll just want to become a whore instead. At least it's a step up.

Oh wait, you said she already wants to become a politician, so I guess that's just splitting hairs.

Aaaaand we're back to hair. I've got an idea that might keep her out of the profession and off the pole altogether. Has she had her first bikini wax yet?

;)

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Josh Board March 23, 2009 @ 9:29 a.m.

Hey...nothing wrong with the name Candy. Both Springsteen and Iggy Pop, have great songs about women called Candy. Bow Wow Wow does that nice cover of the Strangeloves "I Want Candy."

And of course, not nearly as bad a name as Anne Heche, the latest star to name her kid something crazy. I can't remember it at the moment, though.

I have to say though, Fred, I highly recommend a career in politics. The job security is amazing. I mean, look at that Rob Blogdovoavichwitchvich, or whatever his name is. He got involved in that scandal, and now gets a six-figure book deal.

Then there's Marion Berry. He got arrested for smoking crack. And, he got re-elected again, and again, and again. And what's the latest on him? Well, he hasn't paid his taxes in about 9 years, so he's in trouble for that. This, after being on probation previously for not filing a tax return.

And let's not forget about George W. Bush. He got elected to a second term!!! Really? How in the heck did that happen?

Candy has my vote already.

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candiekane March 23, 2009 @ 10:19 a.m.

First time blogger--Having grabbed last weeks reader to put on the bottom of my parrot's cage, I happened to read about a book signing for a local author, and starting reading the blogs - ridiculous, let's set it straight, I'm 27 now and from 20 to 23 I worked at the Body Shop(I'm sure I met some of you guys). I cleared between fifty five to sixy thousend dollars per year(thank you fellows)...hen at the age of twenty four, I became a private personal escort, catering to city, state and local politicians. I tucked away approximately one hunderd and thirty thousend dollars a year and with solid investment tips(from clients),I am now retired, have a beautiful four bedroom home in San Diego and who knows, I might be your neighbor! The moral(haha)of this little blog is stop being negative about what others choose to do with their lives and get on with your own...

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antigeekess March 23, 2009 @ 8:29 p.m.

Nice morphing, "candiekane."
This blog should be retitled "Spamalot" at this point.

Oh, and don't forget the Cars, JB -- Candy-O.
It's a bimbo name. That's why it gets used a lot.

Heche's kid is named "Atlas." It's a little out there, but I don't think it's too bad. It's just going to suck if he's a really skinny little kid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_(mythology)

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Josh Board March 24, 2009 @ 12:12 a.m.

It's going to suck more that he has a nut for a mom. And I'm not saying that because of her choice of name. She's done some nutty things. And I'm not even talking about her deciding to be lesbian, then deciding she's not. But, she once showed up at someones door, was out of her mind, and insisted she was an alien from some other planet. Lucky kid, Atlas is.

Yes, The Cars are one of the best bands ever. That entire Candy-O album is amazing (starting with that nice Vargas girl cover...the model of on it, the drummer promptly married).

I also forgot the song that came out when I was in 8th grade, and Bobby Brown wasn't yet beating women and doing drugs. It was "Candy Girl" by New Edition.

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Fred Williams March 24, 2009 @ 12:46 a.m.

First time blogger--Having grabbed last weeks reader to put on the bottom of my budgies's cage, I happened to read about a book signing for a local author, and starting reading the blogs - ridiculous, let's set it straight, I'm 67 now and from 40 to 53 I worked at the City Council(I'm sure I met some of you guys). I cleared between fifty five to sixy thousend dollars per year(thank you fellows)...when at the age of fifty four, I became a private political consultant, catering to city, state and local politicians. I tucked away approximately one hunderd and thirty thousend dollars a year and with solid investment tips(from clients),I am now retired, have a beautiful four bedroom home in San Diego and who knows, I might be your neighbor! The moral(haha)of this little blog is stop being negative about what others choose to do with their lives and get on with your own...

Sincerely,

Former State Senator Steve Peace

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Josh Board March 24, 2009 @ 1:39 a.m.

If I had a neighbor named "Candie Kane," I'd suspect something. Unless she worked Decembers up at the North Pole. Although, Freds response to CK, made me think I should've gone along the path of a response more along the lines of:

Five-hundred, eight-nineth time blogger...Having typed my latest blog, and happily knowing it won't end up on the bottom of bird cages (as it's on the computer), I am just responding to the story I wrote on Escorts (which was in the Reader, and may very well be on the bottom of bird cages; now that the paper shrunk in size, it's easier to fit in those little parakeet cages, too).

Ridiculous, that this has gone to 175 posts. I'm 39 now, and from ages 16 to 18, I wrote for the Marquee, the student paper at Mira Mesa High School. I cleared nothing financial, but it was an easy A on my report card, and one less "real class" I had to take. At age 21, I started working at a radio station, where I actually started receiving a paycheck for things I wrote and said. I probably said many things about local politicians. It's what helps make a morning radio show. After five years, and losing my job, I became a private DJ. Now, not even weddings and barmitvahs, but just listening to my Walkman (this was before ipods), and introducing the songs by saying things like "Another rock block of Led Zeppelin coming up. But first a weather report. Josh, if you're going out, wear a coat, it will be a chilly 68 degrees today, with a 75% chance of showers. And Josh, if you're the 10th caller, you'll win tickets to Grand Funk Railroad...." I quickly became bored (board) being a private DJ for myself, thought about becoming a private eye, private dancer, or even a private in the Army. Instead, I started writing music stories for the Reader and other publications. The only tucking I did, was after watching Silence of the Lambs. I wanted to see if it was really possible to do what that guy did in front of the mirror. I was also good at doing the voice, as I'd call my friends and say "It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose." On these blogs, I've met many cool people. But most end up getting mad at me, and then not being cool anymore. I'll probably never retire, as the economy sucks, thanks to George W. Bush (had to mention a Bush in this blog, that didn't refer to anything but a name). And, my 401K is history. I rent a four bedroom home in San Diego, and who knows...if house prices keep dropping, maybe I'll own it soon enough. I might be your neighbor. And, if you see me peeking in your window at 1:35 a.m. after finishing this blog, please don't call the cops. And I'll try to stop being so negative in the things I write, even if it's what others choose to do with their lives that drives me insane. Sincerely, Crasher

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JulieParrots March 24, 2009 @ 1:47 a.m.

Yes, yes, yes indeed. This is my umpteenth blog, it was me who shat on the reader. You see, that is why parrots can talk because they read the news paper while they take a load off.

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trestles March 24, 2009 @ 10:46 a.m.

Aaaaah Candy-O. Good album, great cover. I had to go into the library and pull my copy off the shelf for a refreshing look. By the way,Robinson didn't marry her, they just dated briefly. There was a progam several years ago on the best album covers, the top 100 I think ( I still have it on vhs, so i guess it's been quite a while). If I remember correctly, Robinson staged the shot at a Ferrari dealer to give Vargas the idea of what they were looking for on the cover. The model was provided by their record company and coincidentally, or maybe not so much, her name is .............yeah you guessed it, Candy. How cool is that.

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antigeekess March 24, 2009 @ 3:05 p.m.

Just can't imagine why you guys like that cover so much.

(Real boobs are subject to the laws of physics, BTW.)

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Josh Board March 24, 2009 @ 4 p.m.

Wow...her name was really Candy. That's interesting. Tres, I'd love to hear what that show considered the best album covers. Sometimes people pick a cover like The Beatles (white album), which I think is lame. Now, the Lennon cover, with just one white cloud in a blue sky was great (and it reminded me of It's a Beautiful Day from 1969). To me, much to antigeekess surprise, it's not just about hot chicks on album covers. I mean, sure...Roxy Music had some that were great to look at. But I love pictures that make you think, use your imagine, or are just interesting for some other reason. I'm not a fan of Pink Floyds prism cover (dark side of the moon), but I sure like it a lot more than if the cover was just black (metallica, spinal tap). Now, Floyds Wish You Were Here...that was an amazing cover.

Sometimes, an attractive woman makes the cover more interesting. Rush has one with the wind just subtly pushing the womans dress up. But, it's the rest of that cover that makes it great, too. The Scorpions have done some great covers, with attractive women.

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trestles March 24, 2009 @ 10:53 p.m.

Josh, unfortunately, I don't have a vcr anymore. I thought it might have been the RS top 100, but it's not. Alot of the covers in their list are the same, Sticky Fingers, Hotel California, Blind Faith and of course Candy-O. And I'm pretty sure the program had Sgt Pepper as their best also. But in this show they talked to Henry Diltz about a cover he shot for the first CSN album, the one where they are sitting in on a beat up couch in front of some old house. I think the story was they were driving around, saw it and Diltz snapped a few pics. They all liked the shots and went back to shoot some more a day or two later and the house was gone, torn down. Anyway that wasn't in the RS list so it wasn't the same list. BTW, my own personal favorite, the Doors Morrison Hotel, also a Diltz pic, didn't even make the RS list.

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trestles March 24, 2009 @ 11:26 p.m.

antigeekess, It's not about the big boobs, at least for me. If you look, most of Vargas' paintings and drawings, most of his girls are all shall we say, extremely voluptuous. For a while, back in the 40's or 50's I think, he worked for some movie studios doing paintings of their stars like jane Russell and Marilyn Monroe, who were quite voluptuous in their own right I might add. Anyway, to me it's about them being sexy and erotic with out being explicit. Since I'm not 13 yrs old anymore, given the choice of a book of Vargas paintings or one full of penthouse or hustler centerfolds, I'd take Vargas everytime. Kinda of a less is more thing. As for real vs fake and that whole gravity thing, let me say this. If I want a bag full of saline, I'll make a water ballon. I like the real thing. My girl friend is 42 and in the 15 years we've been together, I think she looks as good now as when we first got together. In fact, i've known her since she was 15 or 16 when I was dating her sister. Being the tease that she was, on more than one occasion she flashed her boobs at me, which of course today she totally denies. But I think, even with the "gravity effect", she looks better now. I guess it's that whole grown woman vs the young girl thing.

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Josh Board March 25, 2009 @ 9:33 a.m.

Now, going to those links, are a lot more fun than antigeek having links that just correct some fact I wrote about. Who wants to read info, when a picture is worth...uh, a thousand words!?

See, that's what I hate about those types of specials. They all pick Blind Faith, that used that 13 year old girl topless. What's so great about that cover? Sure, the album is amazing! But the cover?

Hotel California, yes. Sticky Fingers, with the real zipper Andy Warhol created, yes. (there's a special edition of that on CD, with a real zipper). I just read a story with an artist Mick Jagger approached, I forget who. He designed the White Album for the Beatles, and turned down the Stones afterwards. They got Warhol, who then did that album. How weird is that?

I dig the Morrison Hotel, too. Although, I don't think it deserves to be on any list of greatest covers. The photo is a tad grainy. Now, the story behind it is great. But, I'd put Strange Days ahead of that, with the crazy circus scene in New York streets. Or even LA Woman, which the original album had a real plastic window, and was almost a 3D style photo of the band.

But, regarding Morrison Hotel, I had Diltz sign my copy, which had been signed by the entire band (including Jim). And when John Sebastian played in Poway recently, I had him sign it (as he plays harp on Roadhouse Blues)

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trestles March 25, 2009 @ 12:06 p.m.

I agree with you on the Blind Faith cover. In that tone, I think the Roxy Music or even Electric Ladyland are better. One of the reasons I like that cover is the photo. I like simple and plain, as in the link above, but also the literal graininess, or roughness as I have refered to it. Just seems to fit the band. And of course the story also. Never got any autographs on my copy, but I did meet Robby Kreiger and John Densmore once. For my company, I was up in Northridge a couple of days after the quake. The closet place I coould find a hotel room was Old Towne Pasadena. My girlfriend was with me and after dinner one night we wandered into little place for a drink, not even seeing the poster by the door. The first person we noticed was the bartender. It was the Irish guy from the real world when it was up in Venice for season 2. During our conversation I mentioned my great great grandfather was born in Ireland and instantly we were buddies. We were just talking and he asked us if we were staying for the show because he would grab us a couple of free tickets . We didn't even know there was a show and when he told us who it was were were definatley staying. He introduced us to them as friends of his and we got to talk for a few. It was pretty cool

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trestles March 25, 2009 @ 12:15 p.m.

I read someplace that Sebastian used a pseudonym because of legal issues with his own record company over using his own name. Later on he admitted it was actually embarrasment over Morrison's " incident " in Miami and he didn't want to be associated with the Doors at that time. Did you ever hear anything like that???

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Josh Board March 25, 2009 @ 4:03 p.m.

Well, I asked Sebastian about that. He told me that story about legal issues isn't true. He said "Paul Rothchild (Doors producer), didn't like the idea of a bunch of other musicians coming in and playing on the record. He wanted everyone knowing, this was the 4 Doors, back to basics (I'm guessing this is because of the Soft Parade disaster, and all the horns, strings, etc). So he asked him to not use the name, so fans wouldn't see his name on there and think that he had a big part in the album or antyhing. So, he used his fathers name, if his dad hadn't changed it when he came to this country. So, I asked him to sign it with that name, which seemed to please him.

If you're a fan of Morrison Hotel photos, there are two that are better. One is right now, in the Morrison Hotel gallery on Prospect. It's a very weird angle, almost as if Diltz was on the floor looking up at them, and you see a clock on the wall, and sun coming thru the window, and some Christmas decorations. The band looks great in it.

Also, a photo from the back cover, but instead of just random people walking by, it's the Doors. Morrison leaning against the wall, Kreiger walking by, Densmore up against a light post...I love that shot.

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gofurry March 26, 2009 @ 8:44 p.m.

By trestles

181 "Sexy nude women need to look natural. That's not sexy."

Are you kidding? That picture was taken in 1929!! Believe me she's ALL NATURAL. Not ruined by tattoos - i.e. "tattuined", no piercings, no wax/razors (thank God - and I'm not religious), and no other artificial ingredients - which women NEVER need.

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Josh Board March 27, 2009 @ 11:51 a.m.

All this talk is making me think...instead of that blog I did on the weirdest band names, I should do one on album covers with the sexiest women.

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SurfPuppy619 March 27, 2009 @ 7:05 p.m.

Not ruined by tattoos - i.e. "tattuined", no piercings, no wax/razors (thank God - and I'm not religious), and no other artificial ingredients - which women NEVER need.

By gofurry

I feel sorry for your GF, if you even have one.

All the things you listed make up a personality.

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gofurry March 27, 2009 @ 8:48 p.m.

"I feel sorry for your GF, if you even have one." By SurfPuppy619

Well, let's see - she's: petite (5'3") brunette size "B" Cup - (no plastic sacks) furry - (OK - she DOES have a Bikini Trim) tattoo - free skin no metal pierces her skin - except for her earlobes. Brazilian - (with lots of "personality").

Now how about your GF, (if you even have one)?

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trestles March 27, 2009 @ 8:48 p.m.

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I'm talking about the pose, dummy. When was the last time you walked into the room and your girlfriend, if you hsva one, was in that position???

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gofurry March 27, 2009 @ 8:55 p.m.

What is this, dump on gofurry day?

"I'm talking about the pose, dummy. When was the last time you walked into the room and your girlfriend, if you hsva one, was in that position???" By trestles

You're telling me your GF (if you even have one) DOESN'T ASSUME THAT POSITION NATURALLY? I really feel sorry for you!

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trestles March 27, 2009 @ 9:19 p.m.

You mean standing on some kind of pedestal, legs together, back arched and face up against the wall??? Yeah really natural and really comfortable looking. Mine would shoot me if I asked her to pose like that for anything other than a picture. Which by being posed, makes it not natural. BTW: 5'7" dirty blonde B/C (depending) smooth no tan lines 5 tats 4 piercings not counting ears Cali girl with lots of "personality" and a healthy dose of sassiness. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, Im lucky to be with her.

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gofurry March 27, 2009 @ 9:33 p.m.

"Im lucky to be with her." By trestles

Hey, my thoughts exactly regarding mine.

No tan lines - lucky you.

Take care, my friend!

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trestles March 27, 2009 @ 9:39 p.m.

Same to you furry. A toast to the ladies!!!

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gofurry March 27, 2009 @ 9:51 p.m.

Bless ALL WOMEN - for which there is NO alternative.

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antigeekess March 28, 2009 @ 6:17 a.m.

From nude photos to "my girlfriend is hotter than your girlfriend" stats.

(Who says you can't have a p*ssing contest in print?)

And SurfPuppy yapped:

"All the things you listed make up a personality."

...in reference to tattoos, piercings and other superficial crap, after jumping all over MsGrant for being hung up on a physical characteristic.

Mmmmmmmm....Savor the irony.

As the saying goes, just give 'em enough rope. Or bandwidth. It'll happen.

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SurfPuppy619 March 28, 2009 @ 7:55 a.m.

I'm talking about the pose, dummy. When was the last time you walked into the room and your girlfriend, if you hsva one, was in that position???

By trestles

LOL...that had me on the floor!

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SurfPuppy619 March 28, 2009 @ 8 a.m.

Besides my GF is totally hotter than anyone else here-because I am dating the "antigeekess" (she has always dreamed of me and and she aint no dog!);

http://www.diypuppytraining.com/puppy.jpg

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gofurry March 28, 2009 @ 10:29 a.m.

"Besides my GF is totally hotter than anyone else here-because I am dating the "antigeekess" (she has always dreamed of me and and she aint no dog!);"

"I feel sorry for your GF, if you even have one. All the things you listed make up a personality."

Come on surfpuppy (BTW, what the hell exactly IS a surfpuppy?) Describe your GF. Tell us what "makes up her personality". How many tats, piercings, waxed or fluffy, etc. etc.?

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gofurry April 1, 2009 @ 2:16 p.m.

By SurfPuppy619 "Besides my GF is totally hotter than anyone else here-because I am dating" - nobody. (That is how I blog on the computer all day and night). I CAN'T describe - "All the things you listed make up a personality" - "because I've never had a GF." If I'm wrong, describe your personality filled GF.

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antigeekess April 5, 2009 @ 8:53 p.m.

It appeareth the furred one speaketh the truth...

Where art thou, oh smelly wet dog of the sea?

(Cause it's certainly NOT out on a date with ME.)

;)

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trestles March 24, 2009 @ 11:32 p.m.

181 Sexy nude women need to look natural. That's not sexy.

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