San Diego police were called to the Dream Girls Cabaret Wednesday night, August 26, after a disturbance involving customers who left the establishment without paying their bill.

According to an SDPD report, two units were dispatched to the club at about 1:35 a.m. on a “disturbing the peace" call. An employee from the club called police and reported that a customer was refusing to pay their bill. The first police officer arrived at the club at 1:37 a.m., at which time the suspects had already left. A second officer arrived at 1:39 a.m. The officers completed their report and were cleared from the scene at 1:54 am.

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AnotherWorld Aug. 30, 2009 @ 8:15 a.m.

Those strip places are good for the men who have a hard time containing their Mind Set of what consists of a Good Time and a safer legalized outlet for them to release their secretive needs, not only being addicted in the wrong type of perception that the BODY PARTS of females is the only attractive thing which is their type of "turn on", with these clubs around in town, I believe help to decrease some of the crime rates that are mainly accomplished by the male race. I talked to somebody in the recent past about these types of places, and what he described about them made me laugh so hard, but what I had imagined what they may consist of, was close to what he told me.

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PistolPete Aug. 30, 2009 @ 9:18 a.m.

I've been to strip clubs,AW. They're there to make $$$$ and there's nothing special about them. I refuse to spend good money on a woman I can't sleep with just because society tells me I should. They're not evil. They're not sleazy. They're.....just a strip club. I've seen better women in Hustler and that speaks volumes.

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 30, 2009 @ 10:16 a.m.

Strip clubs are for losers-loser chicks and loser guys.

The bimbo's that work there care about one thing and one thing only = $$$$$$$.

The guys are the same, they just care about seeing some naked woman-nothing more.

The guys and the girls are being expolited by each other.

And for anyone who has ever been around strippers, they are compelte whack jobs, for the most part (I worked out at a gym that was stripper central). And most of the guys who hit the strip clubs are your basic loser.

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investor1 Aug. 30, 2009 @ 10:53 a.m.

Surfpuppy ? A loser makes six fiqures a year ? Thats more than most doctors make. Thats what the adverage girl/stripper makes. The clubs are places to get your mind off of work and have fun with the one you choose to have fun with. You pay either way play the dating games or going out downtown they all want money. Times are hard the goverment is destroying the free market . When you deal with this all day its nice to go relax a little and be petted. Women have a eunique power. The men are providers " the hunters ". Women soothe the men after a long hard day of hunting. It helps balance the day . Theres times when I visit thier may be a billion dollars or more in net worth sitting in one club at any given time . If Sanders needs money for improvements he may think of asking us we make money 24/7. These guys just ran out on the check happens at every resturant and club in town we basically take down the license number on there car and id and prosecute and collect trust me we collect the money that we have no problem doing anywhere.

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MrPsychoGreaser Aug. 30, 2009 @ 10:53 a.m.

People already have plenty of misconceptions about the sex industry and the people who work in it. This article briefly mentions that a patron walked into a club, failed to pay for something, and the police were called in to investigate. If someone had gone into Yogurtland and done the same thing...it probably wouldn't have been a featured article or even been a worthy mention. Oh, but mention a Topless Bar and use a stripper pole graphic to go along with the story...and voila...magic!!!

Then come the people who know people and who have seen people that reinforce the misconceptions. So let me add to the misconceptions...since I've also known and seen people in the industry.

I ran one of the Deja Vu Clubs in San Diego for close to two years. Some of what has been aforementioned a basically true...and some of it sounds like the typical banter you would expect from someone who watched the movie "Showgirls," and knows enough to carry a conversation long enough with someone else who has seen it. It's pretty comical reading people's reactions to a story like this one. Nobody commenting mentions there was a crime. It's just a stripclub and they're only there to steal your money...so it's ok to steal from them. Right?

If you want an article that people would really be interested in...consider this storyline: My Daughter is a Stripper. Now, in that storyline you have the typical people you would imagine that endorse their daughter's decision...then you have those that don't...and furthermore, those who have no idea. I'd like to read that one. Hailing from the darkside myself, it was one of those things that intrigued me.

P.S. The people in these clubs are no different from the people at Yogurtland. They are one in the same. They both carry different varieties and flavors...both have "whacked" out people working in them...and both charge a ridiculous amount of money for the things they sell.

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MrPsychoGreaser Aug. 30, 2009 @ 10:56 a.m.

People already have plenty of misconceptions about the sex industry and the people who work in it. This article briefly mentions that a patron walked into a club, failed to pay for something, and the police were called in to investigate. If someone had gone into Yogurtland and done the same thing...it probably wouldn't have been a featured article or even been a worthy mention. Oh, but mention a Topless Bar and use a stripper pole graphic to go along with the story...and voila...magic!!!

Then come the people who know people and who have seen people that reinforce the misconceptions. So let me add to the misconceptions...since I've also known and seen people in the industry.

I ran one of the Deja Vu Clubs in San Diego for close to two years. Some of what has been aforementioned is basically true...and some of it sounds like the typical banter you would expect from someone who watched the movie "Showgirls," and knows enough to carry a conversation long enough with someone else who has seen it. It's pretty comical reading people's reactions to a story like this one. Nobody commenting mentions there was a crime. It's just a stripclub and they're only there to steal your money...so it's ok to steal from them. Right?

If you want an article that people would really be interested in...consider this storyline: My Daughter is a Stripper. Now, in that storyline you have the typical people you would imagine that endorse their daughter's decision...then you have those that don't...and furthermore, those who have no idea. I'd like to read that one. Hailing from the darkside myself, it was one of those things that intrigued me.

P.S. The people in these clubs are no different from the people at Yogurtland. They are one in the same. They both carry different varieties and flavors...both have "whacked" out people working in them...and both charge a ridiculous amount of money for the things they sell.

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SDaniels Aug. 30, 2009 @ 12:24 p.m.

re: #4: "A loser makes six fiqures a year ? Thats more than most doctors make. Thats what the adverage girl/stripper makes."

investor1, this doesn't sound true, especially in this economy. Where are you getting your stat?

MrPsychoGreaser, you're right. People would rather talk about the sex-related angle. Surprised? The theft angle is boring.

I try not to form prejudgement about the world's oldest profession, but it is often said that women who strip have psychological issues they are trying to work out. It is also well-known that drug addiction fuels this kind of career.

It would be interesting to hear stories and opinions from women in this industry, including about how much they really do make.

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antigeekess Aug. 30, 2009 @ 12:30 p.m.

"It would be interesting to hear stories and opinions from women in this industry, including about how much they really do make."

Uh-oh...

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David Dodd Aug. 30, 2009 @ 12:38 p.m.

There are no screws holding down the flange at the bottom of that stripper pole.

This should tell you more than you want to know about me based on exactly what concerns me. Not strippers. Not police. Not non-paying patrons. Screws.

I'm hopeless.

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SDaniels Aug. 30, 2009 @ 12:41 p.m.

Hopelessly concerned about foundations? Nah, don't worry about it.

And AG, don't worry about me going "undercover" in a strip bar. I'd rather infiltrate a Mormon compound, then do a bestselling expose :)

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antigeekess Aug. 30, 2009 @ 12:45 p.m.

L-OLe, Gringo!

And THAT is why you are a writer, my friend. Hopeless, obsessive observation of the micro-minutiae missed by the mindless masses.

(How's that for some Sunday morning alliteration?)

;)

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antigeekess Aug. 30, 2009 @ 12:48 p.m.

"And AG, don't worry about me going "undercover" in a strip bar. I'd rather infiltrate a Mormon compound, then do a bestselling expose :)"

My immediate responses are twofold: A. "Undercover" in a strip bar? Kind of the opposite of what goes on in there.
B. Why do I have the feeling we're thinking about the same person here?

Expose! Ole! :)

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whyigotahaveid Aug. 30, 2009 @ 1:35 p.m.

strip clubs, where a bunch of guys that are inept at meeting women socially get together. i mean really, who wants to hang out where its %99 drunk sweaty just off the job jerks. all men .???? then they get all testosteron up n wanna fight to further disguise theyre true sexuality.

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 30, 2009 @ 1:58 p.m.

Surfpuppy ? A loser makes six fiqures a year ? Thats more than most doctors make. Thats what the adverage girl/stripper makes.

By investor1

Oh-oh, I have got a Rocket Scientist stripper pissed off at my reply.

Docotrs make many times more than $100K, and the "average" stripper does NOT make $100K (good sound bite though).

And yes, the profession of "stripper" is a loser profession for loser chicks, most of whom have serious brain damage and hate men.

next question please.

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 30, 2009 @ 2 p.m.

P.S. The people in these clubs are no different from the people at Yogurtland. They are one in the same.

By MrPsychoGreaser

err.....yeah...right.

Mr. Psycho, time to get back to the "therapist".

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 30, 2009 @ 2:03 p.m.

investor1, this doesn't sound true, especially in this economy. Where are you getting your stat?

I try not to form prejudgement about the world's oldest profession, but it is often said that women who strip have psychological issues they are trying to work out.

By SDaniels

Investor1 made those numbers up-and they are 100% baloney.

To say strippers have "psychological issues" is like saying water comes out of the faucet when you turn the handle on.

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MrPsychoGreaser Aug. 30, 2009 @ 4:03 p.m.

"err.....yeah...right.

Mr. Psycho, time to get back to the "therapist"."

By SurfPuppy619

I think you meant "the rapist." When you work at one of these clubs it's kinda like being the wizard of oz. Behind the curtain there is no magic and you see everything for what it really is...an act. Everyone of us puts on a hat when we wake up in the morning...we all have different hats that we wear throughout the day. The majority of us play different roles which we have to play in order to the pay the bills...and yet, the roles we play are nothing like what we naturally are when we're at home with our friend and families. It is a hasty generalization to think that everyone of these girls has a psychological disorder. There is no doubt that this indeed is a drug/alcohol induced industry though not everyone in it concedes to the drugs and alcohol. What these girls do takes a really big toll on their bodies. They are wearing 6 inch plus stiletto heals for 6-8 hours a day and slamming down hard on their knees. This leads to all kinds of physical problems....back, neck, leg..etc. Popping a vicodin will keep them going...maybe some xanax to get rid of the anxiety of talking to the construction worker who's been working with fiberglass all day and didn't bother to brush it off his clothes. Maybe a shot of vodka will help so that they can get a dance from that fresh cut marine boy that keeps asking them for their number. The money could be great, but most of the time it isn't. For the average girl to break 100,000 a year she would have to work 6-7 days a week. Of the 70 girls I worked with I only saw 4 or 5 that actually did this in the 2 years. They were the hustlers of the club taking their customers for everything they could. Most girls work 2-3 days a week at most because of the pain.

Now for Yogurtland. The kids at my local Yogurtland tell me they sell pills because they can barely afford to live in San Diego and manage with tuition at SDSU. They hate their jobs but it's the only thing that revolves around their school schedules and provides them with some steady income. Oh yeah, but they must have psychological issues too...because we all know that everybody with a socially acceptable "job" stays away from drugs and alcohol and God forbid they see a therapist or seek treatment for an anxiety disorder.

Coming from an incredibly lucrative background in finance prior to my stint in the adult entertainment industry I can say this...The people in San Diego with the best drugs and alcohol are the ones that are straight laced. I've never partied harder in my life than I did back in those days.

This entire country has a much larger problem of addiction than we admit. See http://www.oas.samhsa.gov and read the numbers for yourselves.

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David Dodd Aug. 30, 2009 @ 4:54 p.m.

"Coming from an incredibly lucrative background in finance prior to my stint in the adult entertainment industry..."

Because, of course, one leads to the other. This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Nothing personal, but it's funny as hell.

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SDaniels Aug. 30, 2009 @ 6:09 p.m.

C'mon, AG, I know it was lameass, but it was a pun all the same (re: "undercover") ;)

Nope, not thinking of anyone in particular; just interested in fundamentalist Mormonism and polygamy--there are some fascinating books and accounts out there of the belief system and how women survive (or don't survive) it.

Mr.PsychoGreaser:

Your take (finances aside) seems legit, with details such as the physical pain the women go through from dancing. I respect your explanation of why they might end up doing drugs, too. It must be a very tough life indeed.

"I think you meant "the rapist.""

Again, I try not to prejudge adult decisions that don't harm others or the enviro, but seriously, why would you dub all psychologists with that old chestnut of an anagram?

Don't you think one should get a little help after being mauled by drunken louts shift after shift? What would you propose they do for mental health? Are you suggesting that the protective shell these women build up in order to deal with the lifestyle would be threatened by the therapy?

I'm asking these questions not in sarcasm nor from some feminist agenda (I don't qualify as a feminist per se) but in earnest, because I am interested in your answers, and in how much you have actually considered how these ladies survive emotionally...

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 30, 2009 @ 6:10 p.m.

Coming from an incredibly lucrative background in finance prior to my stint in the adult entertainment industry..."

Because, of course, one leads to the other. This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Nothing personal, but it's funny as hell.

By refriedgringo

Yes Gringo-it is true.

Many MBA babes from USD make better money, have better benefits and much better working conditions working at the Body Shop than at IMB, Goldman Sachs or Chase Manhattan Bank-didn't you know???

Porn stars who work the stripper club circuit may pull down $100K -$200K in a year, maybe more. But they are well known and have a name and they must endure that nomad lifestyle where you're out on the road away from home 45 weeks out of the year. That to me is not my idea of a "dream job", and the money trade off for being on the road is certainly not worth it.Your basic Deja Ve Showgirls stripper would be lucky to make $50K in a year. And once you hit 30 and that tight little body srtarts drooping you will be lucky to make $25K a year.

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MrPsychoGreaser Aug. 30, 2009 @ 6:28 p.m.

"Because, of course, one leads to the other. This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Nothing personal, but it's funny as hell."

By refriedgringo

And I completely agree. It is very comical. I'll even give you more ammunition. I also toured the world in a Christian band proselytizing to the unbeliever.

Trust me...no one finds my life funnier than I do. With the strip club thing...my friend was the GM and needed someone....real estate finance crumbled and so did many investments...so I said, "Why not? Just another thing to say I did in this world." But, I got burned out. My conscience finally caught up to me. I could no longer endure the glitz and the crap pay. Managers for the Deja Vu chain work long hours (60-70) and are lucky if they make 35k a year.

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SDaniels Aug. 30, 2009 @ 6:30 p.m.

Hmm. Maybe I should direct my questions to the puppy, then?

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David Dodd Aug. 30, 2009 @ 6:36 p.m.

No, no, Surfpuppy, I understand it. Believe me. After all, I live in strip-club paradise over here, and even though it's certainly different than it is over there, I know it brings the money. I've met a lot of the girls both here and there, some Americans even from back in the day when one could actually make some good cash here. I've been lucky enough to meet them "off-site", as I'm not into the strip-club experience, and I found many of the conversations quite revealing (pun intended).

It's simply the matter-of-fact comparative nature of the statement that I find funny. It would be like saying, "Coming from a rewarding spiritual time in the monastery prior to my successful job as hitman for the mob..."

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David Dodd Aug. 30, 2009 @ 6:44 p.m.

Mr. Greaser, yours has, then, indeed been a life well-lived. It's different with me, but similar in the sense that twenty years ago if you would have even suggested that I might visit Mexico some day, I would have said that you're nuts. And yet, I've lived here for seventeen years.

One time, because I couldn't find a job, and it was a stint where me the wife separated, I lived in an apartment near the police station on Calle Nueve in Centro de Tijuana and made a living betting horseraces. At night, I hustled tips working the streets getting Americans and other tourists to enter some of the strip joints. My reward, the only payment, was that I got to keep the tips from the first round of drinks I served (after that a waitress took over). I also ran a grill here for a while.

Oh, the stories. You too, then, should write about your experiences.

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antigeekess Aug. 30, 2009 @ 7:02 p.m.

"Hmm. Maybe I should direct my questions to the puppy, then?"

Or, you could direct them to somebody who worked as a transcriptionist typing, ahem, "quality control" reports that included what really goes on back in the "Champagne Room," the "V.I.P. Room," or whatever else that particular dive chooses to call the backroom brothel part of the operation.

Meep meep.

http://encefalus.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/roadrunner.gif

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investor1 Aug. 30, 2009 @ 7:17 p.m.

Surfpuppy I know what the girls make check the parking lot. Sometimes they adverage on a bad nite $500.00. A good nite and a double over a grand talk to the girls who been in it for over 5 years or more with masters and bachelors degrees. There far from stupid they just get pissed at men for acting like jerks instead of being normal gentlemen. If you go into a club you may want to shower first and put on clean clothes dress nice you will get alot of attention. Just spend what you can afford and have a good time . Anybody that runs out on the tab will eventually pay it they all do .

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 30, 2009 @ 9:33 p.m.

Surfpuppy I know what the girls make check the parking lot. Sometimes they adverage on a bad nite $500.00. A good nite and a double over a grand talk to the girls who been in it for over 5 years or more with masters and bachelors degrees. There far from stupid they just get pissed at men for acting like jerks instead of being normal gentlemen.

By investor1

LOL...please!...you have been watching too "Pretty Woman" too many times and cannot figure out the difference between reality and Hollywood.

Strippers, as a general rule, have very limited education, have very limited economic opportunities and treat the men in the clubs as marks-just as the goomba men treat the strippers as meat. That is the cold hard reality of it.

Stripping is a dead end job, with losers on both sides of that stripper pole, and if you want to find a psychologists dream world send him into stripper central.

I bet you think that porn stars are smart, have "masters degrees" and have sex on film with strangers for $5K per day (they don't make that either-and they make 10 times what a stripper makes).

Strippers do NOT make $500 on a bad night and they don't make $1,500 or whatever you claimed on a good night. Not in San Diego. Maybe at Scores in NYC.

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 30, 2009 @ 9:35 p.m.

Or, you could direct them to somebody who worked as a transcriptionist typing, ahem, "quality control" reports that included what really goes on back in the "Champagne Room," the "V.I.P. Room," or whatever else that particular dive chooses to call the backroom brothel part of the operation.

Meep meep.

http://encefalus.com/wp-content/uploads/...

By antigeekess

That confirms it, we now know what the geekess does (you know far tooooo much about this).

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SDaniels Aug. 30, 2009 @ 9:37 p.m.

"...check the parking lot"

Well, there you have it! AG, what do we need a transcriptionist for when we have such devastatingly compelling evidence from investor1?!

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SDaniels Aug. 30, 2009 @ 9:39 p.m.

Anti is a researcher extraordinaire; I'm going to pay her the going rate a stripper makes to write my dissertation.

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 30, 2009 @ 9:43 p.m.

Anti is a researcher extraordinaire; I'm going to pay her the going rate a stripper makes to write my dissertation.

By SDaniels

Anti is a stripper extraordinaire (based on he knowldge of the strip joints.

I'm going to pay Geekess for a "lap dance".

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antigeekess Aug. 30, 2009 @ 10:54 p.m.

Daniels propositioned:

"Anti is a researcher extraordinaire; I'm going to pay her the going rate a stripper makes to write my dissertation."

I'll take that job, Daniels. What do I need to become an expert in?

BTW, as of 5 years ago, a visit to one of those backrooms was running guys $200 a pop (not per hour) in San Francisco.

Let's see, allowing for inflation, that's, ummmm....

I'll have to get back to ya. You might want to locate your piggy bank.

;)

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SDaniels Aug. 31, 2009 @ 12:19 a.m.

Ok, meet me in the Champagne room and we'll talk per page.

Surfpuppy, the only lap dance you'll likely get is the one the water does in your dog bowl :)

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David Dodd Aug. 31, 2009 @ 12:30 a.m.

"BTW, as of 5 years ago, a visit to one of those backrooms was running guys $200 a pop (not per hour) in San Francisco."

Holy crap, that had better be one hell of a pop.

Note to Reader staff: Please photoshop some effing screws into that flange in the picture of the stripper pole? You're making me insane.

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SDaniels Aug. 31, 2009 @ 12:34 a.m.

and I heard they were serving more than pop! (ok, it's an off night)

but not for refried's eyesight! Hey, pretend it's the toilet paper bar, fallen again when you try to replace the roll?

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SDaniels Aug. 31, 2009 @ 12:38 a.m.

4: "When you deal with this all day its nice to go relax a little and be petted. Women have a eunique power. The men are providers " the hunters ". Women soothe the men after a long hard day of hunting.

It helps balance the day . Theres times when I visit thier may be a billion dollars or more in net worth sitting in one club at any given time . If Sanders needs money for improvements he may think of asking us we make money 24/7."

Here refried, parse this one out. It'll take your mind off the literal screws.

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David Dodd Aug. 31, 2009 @ 1:03 a.m.

"Here refried, parse this one out."

Gladly.

I was speaking lovingly of Robbins the other day (Tom, not Harold), who spoke lovingly of Rimbaud, so I relate it this way:

"Les femmes soignent les feroces infirnes retour des pays chauds."

Or, if your French is rusty (and excuse me for hastily leaving out the accent on "feroces", it's over the first "e"), it translates to something like, "Women nurse these ferocious invalids on their return from torrid countries."

That's Arthur Rimbaud if you need him, from "A Season In Hell", people really should read it if they haven't, it's a wonderful piece.

Anyway, patients and nurses have a special relationship. They heal each other. Men do what men do, they hunt and kill and drink and gamble and generally behave obnoxiously. Eventually, they come home, hopefully with some food or gold or magic beans or at least something otherwise equally as promising. Women wait for them, cure them, and in return want to be treated like the wonderful nurses they are.

I think that about sums it up.

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rickeysays Aug. 31, 2009 @ 1:03 a.m.

Strip clubs are fantasy island for guys. The girls are actresses playing a part. The guys are paying well for a little fantasy. Nothing wrong with that. Yes you get all kinds of guys, including some who confuse fantasy with reality. And you get some girls that do the job because they're too wacky to do anything else. But girls who approach it with a professional attitude, work in the right place, and have the physical prerequisites, can make enough money to retire by the time they start losing their looks. Refried, I'd love to hear any stories you have from working the TJ clubs. Those places are (or at least used to be) crazy.

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SDaniels Aug. 31, 2009 @ 1:16 a.m.

rrrrrrefried, parle un peu pour moi! Rimbaud en plus!

"Women wait for them, cure them, and in return want to be treated like the wonderful nurses they are."

Good old days, eh? This experience is familiar to me--if you reverse the roles :)

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SDaniels Aug. 31, 2009 @ 1:17 a.m.

'parles.' Yep, French's rusty. But you've convinced me to revisit some text.

And I too would like to hear about your experiences as a promoter--this is blog material.

Sweet dreams, all.

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David Dodd Aug. 31, 2009 @ 1:31 a.m.

Obviously, SD, the relationship goes both ways ;)

I have, currently, maintained the nursing role for a while, but I'm getting prepared to have to go kill small animals, gamble like a degenerate, and look for magic beans once again. This is what happens. Maybe I'll get lucky and find some gold along the way ;)

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Russ Lewis Aug. 31, 2009 @ 1:37 a.m.

Gringo, you left out the billion dollars and Mayor Sanders. Otherwise, sounds like you got it.

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MrPsychoGreaser Aug. 31, 2009 @ 1:49 a.m.

Ehhh. $100 dollars for 15 minutes at the Deja Vu clubs...15 ridiculous minutes of teasing. I think the people that get these rooms think they're going to get more bang for their buck. Some people just like feeling like a VIP. Frankly, over half the time I watched the cameras the only thing that was going on between a dancer and her patron was conversation...no contact...sitting side by side just talking. Good luck finding a champagne room within San Diego city limits where there will be any "popping." Vice likes to make frequent appearances at the clubs within San Diego city limits, their jurisdiction. The clubs know this, the dancers know this, and the patrons are made aware. The Deja Vu clubs have an insane amount of security cameras at each location and for good reason...not to mention round the clock outside surveillance of all the clubs. They are very strict on the conduct of their staff and personal entertainers. There just isn't enough money involved to take the risk of having a pandering charge on your permanent record...the one that will follow you everywhere for the rest of your life and fines that literally run in the thousands to the tens of thousands...for both the dancer and the club. Everyone can be arrested....dancer, security, managers. It makes more fiscal sense to play by the rules in San Diego. A club will be closed if it is found to be a brothel and can lose its license if it is even suspected to be one...such as was the case in the recent past with Club Expose on Miramar Rd. All it took was one girl to ruin it for everyone. The original owner was forced out...The club was converted to Club V. The club did not succeed and then again changed hands and turned into Goldfinger's. It makes more sense for a club in San Diego to be run legitimately.

No sex in the champagne room. If this is what you're after in San Diego...you will be extremely disappointed. There is one club in San Diego (Lemon Grove, outside of city limits) where you will never see vice.

Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and San Francisco play by their own set of rules. They are typically much less regulated as law enforcement tend to have their hands full with other more important issues.

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 31, 2009 @ 11:34 a.m.

Strip clubs are fantasy island for guys. The girls are actresses playing a part. The guys are paying well for a little fantasy. Nothing wrong with that. Yes you get all kinds of guys, including some who confuse fantasy with reality. And you get some girls that do the job because they're too wacky to do anything else. But girls who approach it with a professional attitude, work in the right place, and have the physical prerequisites, can make enough money to retire by the time they start losing their looks. Refried, I'd love to hear any stories you have from working the TJ clubs. Those places are (or at least used to be) crazy.

By rickeysays

Yet more nuggest of gold from rickeysays.

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Russ Lewis Aug. 31, 2009 @ 1:27 p.m.

44 -- Brilliant parody, Pete. Thanks. Everyone should watch that.

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SDaniels Aug. 31, 2009 @ 2:56 p.m.

re: #43: "There just isn't enough money involved to take the risk of having a pandering charge on your permanent record..."

MrGreaser, and refried, if you can answer:

What do you think of investor1's figures on this business venture? S/he is including the financial worth of patrons sitting around at any given moment (and we are considering revenues for ONE club, now, not the entire adult entertainment industry, which probably does reach the very high millions).

(I always figured strip club patronage was a rather low-class affair, with a few spoiled frat boys peppered in here and there).

I am also still wondering if you can discuss more about the psychological impact on the women employed at these clubs, and why you think psychotherapy and psychiatric help are not good options for them. Can you share your observations, and a typical profile of a career dancer?

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David Dodd Aug. 31, 2009 @ 3:16 p.m.

SD, I have no doubt that on a busy night a stripper could haul in a grand in the U.S. Some have told me as much, but they have to share their tips with bouncers and bartenders. In Mexico, it's different. They make more money in a hotel room. Most only dance because it's required, they would rather be on their back, so to speak, because it makes more money.

Psychologically, I think it depends. If they are honest with themselves and can live with their job, then I would imagine they're as rational as anyone. Some are quite insecure, at least some I've met in the U.S. Other issues have probably driven them to that point, and the stripping probably keeps them in that spot.

My opinion, anyway, based on empricial observation.

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 31, 2009 @ 3:39 p.m.

Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and San Francisco play by their own set of rules. They are typically much less regulated as law enforcement tend to have their hands full with other more important issues.

By MrPsychoGreaser

Las Vegas strip clubs "much less regulated". Now I know you're a phony.

LV strip clubs, many mob connected, are the most highly regulated strip clubs in the nation. NOTHING goes on in a LV strip club (Cheetahs, Crazy Horse Too and the rest) that is illegal-nothing.

Sort of like saying the LV casinos are not very regulated...LOL.

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 31, 2009 @ 3:51 p.m.

SD, I have no doubt that on a busy night a stripper could haul in a grand in the U.S. Some have told me as much, but they have to share their tips with bouncers and bartenders.

By refriedgringo

Gringo, here is the problem, those "busy nights" are at most once a week, and sometimes just once or twice a month. They are few and far between. The "average" take home pay is nowhere near a grand a night.

Every stripper I came across (as I said, I knew many back in the day because they all worked out at my Gym) claimed they made the big bucks-but somehow could only afford a Ford Escort and lived in a flea bag apartment-despite their "6 figure incomes". They for the most part were not fully balanced mentally; many hated men and viewed them as marks to exploit ($300 for a private dance-and that was it just a dance), and had extremely limited educations.

If anyone ever watched the Howard Stern radio show when it was on E! or listened to him on the radio, he had high-end strippers on ALL the time. They all had similar backgrounds-broken families, limited education. He would ask these strippers pretty boneheaded questions that many 6th graders could answer-but they couldn’t. Like who is the vice president? Name the two major political parties. Name the two houses in the Congress-things like that-they could not answer even those types of questions. This happened all the time!

One of the most popular strippers who worked the clubs and I knew (one of the highest paid) did make decent money-but she owned no home, owned no expensive wheels, nothing. Sure, she was renting a high end, 1 bedroom CONDO downtown, but that is far from a 6-figure lifestyle.

Stripping is not the way to get ahead in life.

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David Dodd Aug. 31, 2009 @ 4:02 p.m.

Surfpuppy, I don't think we're in disagreement on this, we seem to be saying the same thing. Although, I'm not so sure that getting ahead in life and stripping are related in any way, people need to do what makes them happy. If it's stripping, so be it. Point is, I've never looked at wealth as a measure of success.

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SDaniels Aug. 31, 2009 @ 4:38 p.m.

51: Well put, refried.

49: SurfP wrote: "Las Vegas strip clubs "much less regulated". Now I know you're a phony."

Ok, SurfP, I'm going to assume you've sniffed him out, and if I ever want to do a research project on this topic, it'll be through sources other than interview of "MrPsychoGreaser."

However, two of your own statements are a little suspect, in terms of your information sources:

There is first the Freudian slip: "Every stripper I came across," :)

... as well as the statement "I knew many back in the day because they all worked out at my Gym."

At the gym... I'm sure they'd be wary of the kind of attention they would attract if they went around admitting their business to random surfpuppies.

At this point, I'm thinking anyway that the Mormon project is way more interesting. All I need is a bonnet and a Book of Mormon--or maybe I'll wire up one of my little cousins and send them into the compound :)

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 31, 2009 @ 5:32 p.m.

There is first the Freudian slip: "Every stripper I came across," :)

... as well as the statement "I knew many back in the day because they all worked out at my Gym."

At the gym... I'm sure they'd be wary of the kind of attention they would attract if they went around admitting their business to random surfpuppies.

By SDaniels

OK, let me explain, I ONLY knew the strippers from my gym-not the clubs b/c I would never stoop that low. Not the pup's style.

This particular gym was the only real gym in town back in the 80's, and virtually every bouncer from EVERY club in the San Diego coastal area worked out there-and a very high percentage of the strippers did too because all those strip joints are on Midway/Rosecrans. So I knew the whole crowd.

Oh, as for the "attention" comment. If they did not want "attention" then they probably would not be wearing G-strings with 400CC silly cone implants falling out the front. Just a thought :)

It's not like they hid the fact they were strippers either.

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SurfPuppy619 Aug. 31, 2009 @ 5:40 p.m.

Although, I'm not so sure that getting ahead in life and stripping are related in any way, people need to do what makes them happy. If it's stripping, so be it. Point is, I've never looked at wealth as a measure of success.

By refriedgringo

I have met many, many strippers, and the vast majority, no, nearly all of them, have problems. Psychological problems. So I do not think stripping makes many women happy (IMH non-scientific opinion). It is certainly not the way the normal couple can build a soild, respectful, lasting relationship-knowing your GF/wife is out at night grinding a dirtbag greaseball for $$$$, and to be honest it does not reflect good on the woman either.

As for success, wealth is one way to measure it-and many American women view it as a prereq to dating and marriage.

As for me, postive relationships with the people I care about is how I measure MY success. I wish I was more successful.

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antigeekess Aug. 31, 2009 @ 7:33 p.m.

Daniels observed:

"There is first the Freudian slip: "Every stripper I came across," :)"

Aaaaaand, we're back to the "jewelry" thread.

Fred should be along any minute.

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magicsfive Aug. 31, 2009 @ 8:15 p.m.

"Daniels observed:

"There is first the Freudian slip: "Every stripper I came across," :)"

Aaaaaand, we're back to the "jewelry" thread.

Fred should be along any minute."

=============================================

oh, oh anti that i will admit was freakin PRICELESS...surfpup babe you gotta admit that was a good one...don't worry i will still take you to dog beach :0

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Fred Williams Sept. 1, 2009 @ 2:25 a.m.

SDaniels asked about the affects of this difficult work on women. Allow me to invert the question to ask the same of men doing similar work:

"I am also still wondering if you can discuss more about the psychological impact on the men employed at these sports clubs, and why you think psychotherapy and psychiatric help are not good options for them. Can you share your observations, and a typical profile of a career athlete?"

Male professional athletes, who use their young bodies to entertain a mostly male audience drinking beer, are often negatively influenced by their experience.

The let down when they are sidelined by career ending injury is enormous. Often insufficiently prepared for any academic endeavors, and now permanently injured, they frequently fall into the economic underclass.

The pressures to use performance enhancing drugs, emphasis on athletics rather than intellectual activities, and a dream world where they are often pampered and treated as if they are special warps their perceptions of reality. Psychological counseling is missing when they lose these trappings of success.

Almost all of them will fail, since the chance of going from the college ranks to the pros is only one in fourteen thousand. While playing looks glamorous, insiders know that it's hard degrading work.

The typical profile of a career athlete is nasty, brutish, and short. At the peak of their health, they are forced to undergo training regimes and endure humiliations from all powerful coaches and others in a position of power to decide their futures. They are made to feel as if they are nothing more than expendable bodies being put through a machine, to be discarded when used-up. Injuries, sometimes untreated so that they can "play through the pain", are common among professional athletes, adding to the high levels of prescription pain killer abuse that athletes report.

Clearly, male professional athletes need protection from the thugs destroying their lives...

They are VICTIMS, just as much as the young women using their athletic young bodies to entertain beer drinking men.

Why do we regulate strip clubs and hold their employees in low esteem, while simultaneously treating the Padres and Chargers like heroes?

Isn't giving our tax money to John Moores and Alex Spanos just as sensible as building Dirty Dan a state of the art strip club so San Diego can finally be "World Class?"

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David Dodd Sept. 1, 2009 @ 2:48 a.m.

"Male professional athletes, who use their young bodies to entertain a mostly male audience drinking beer, are often negatively influenced by their experience."

Dude. You make sports seem like something one of those Catholic priests would have to deny doing. Eww.

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MrPsychoGreaser Sept. 1, 2009 @ 3:08 a.m.

SDaniels wrote: "MrGreaser, and refried, if you can answer: What do you think of investor1's figures on this business venture?"

Well, now that I've been outed as a "phony" you may not want my opinion. But in either case, the club I ran here in San Diego didn't even gross 1 million dollars a year...850,000 is closer. But when you consider that a fully nude establishment (juice bar) has very little overhead then the venture makes a little more sense. There are only a couple clubs in San Diego that make millions a year...2-3 million approx. San Diego region ranks 6th in the nation in profitability for gentleman's clubs.
It currently costs a personal entertainer about 480 dollars to get her license in San Diego. That is twice as much as it was 2 years ago. The fees include business tax certificate, application/license fees, and livescan (state fingerprint background check). That puts San Diego pretty much at the top of the list for most expensive places do business as a personal entertainer. The club takes 35% percent of the dances as well. By law, she is not obligated to tip anyone out, however, it is customary and things don't usually bode well for a dancer who doesn't take care of the dj and the bouncer. 10% tip out was expected by staff...managers at my club were not allowed to receive tips...corporate policy...which sucked for me since I was making more as a regular staff member and working less hours. Common perception would be "Well, at least you're surrounded by hot girls and getting laid all the time." When you're working, you're WORKING. If you're messing around and not producing, you're fired. Trust me, when you work in that environment and you get closer to people everything becomes static...wallpaper...few things catch your attention. The last year and a half I worked there I rarely saw a stage set.

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MrPsychoGreaser Sept. 1, 2009 @ 3:09 a.m.

SurfPuppy619: "This particular gym was the only real gym in town back in the 80's, and virtually every bouncer from EVERY club in the San Diego coastal area worked out there-and a very high percentage of the strippers did too because all those strip joints are on Midway/Rosecrans. So I knew the whole crowd."

Look, you don't have to believe me but I think it's hilarious that you're assuming the industry is the same as it was back then. It is 2009. I don't know what portion of the 80's you're speaking about...but using figures from 20 years ago...through hearsay...as evidence and thinking it still applies? Maybe the surfpup's style should be a little more researched...or maybe that simply is not the surfpup's style.
I am now out of the industry and relieved to be. It wasn't the wild and crazy life I thought it would be. It was fairly normal, actually. Maybe seeing the detrimental aspects of fast living helped to keep me stable.

P.S. I never advocated that anyone NOT seek psychological help. On the contrary, if you're a dancer, I highly suggest you see a therapist. Over time, the job will impact you pathologically.

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David Dodd Sept. 1, 2009 @ 3:25 a.m.

"Well, at least you're surrounded by hot girls and getting laid all the time."

That would, oddly enough, be the last thing that would possibly attract me to working in that environment. I find what you say to pretty much be along the same lines as what I was told. My experiences as a patron of a strip joint are few, but my best friend after I divorced was really into going. He dragged me along when he could. There were two girls that lived in the apartment complex we lived in that were strippers. Much of my information came from them.

One was quiet, a very attractive girl who seemed very insecure. She had fake breasts. The other was quite outgoing, and quite comfortable to be around. One night we went out and shot some pool. It was fun. But I never considered either as dating material. They worked at a "Deja Vu" in the Los Angeles area. I didn't visit their strip club except for the couple of times my friend brought me along. I didn't like it. Naked girls are wonderful, but meh. It's a business, and I'm a cynic.

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Josh Board Sept. 1, 2009 @ 10:34 a.m.

I agree with those last few lines, refried. The times I've gone to strip clubs, I have more fun watching the crowd. There will be such a bizarre mix of people. Military guys that yell crude things, thinking this is going to score them points with women. Or, the 55-year-old guy in a suit, who is staring at the women as if he'd like to cut them into little pieces and store them in their trunk.

Now Fred, you're sports thing is partly right. Although, I think the reasons for the let down have more to do with the type of intelligence of the player.

There have been pro athletes, and lots of them, that have made the leap to a regular life. They may have finished college, or made wise investments, knowing that they weren't the best or could be injured at any time.

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PistolPete Sept. 1, 2009 @ 11:53 a.m.

Best website link I've seen posted yet. :-D gofurry is my new hero....LMAO!

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SurfPuppy619 Sept. 1, 2009 @ 12:15 p.m.

Look, you don't have to believe me but I think it's hilarious that you're assuming the industry is the same as it was back then. It is 2009. I don't know what portion of the 80's you're speaking about...but using figures from 20 years ago...through hearsay...as evidence and thinking it still applies? Maybe the surfpup's style should be a little more researched...or maybe that simply is not the surfpup's style.

By MrPsychoGreaser

Allow me to retort Perry Mason Jr...err.... I mean MrGreaser.

To set the record straight, this was the mid/late 80's/early 90's. The stripping business is not rocket science or software development, it changes at "glacier speed", not milliseconds. The stripper business is exactly the same today as it was in 1999, in 1989 and in 1979. You get a stripper who shakes her stuff in front of a man who ogles her. End of story.

As for you comments that my experiences with the highly professional stripper contingent are "hearsay", go back to law school and figure out what an admission by a party opponent is (hearsay exempted).

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gofurry Sept. 1, 2009 @ 12:32 p.m.

Well put, O "Poster of 1009 Comments To This Website Alone Not Counting All the Others" (sigh).

Oh and................"Don't Worry, Keep it Furry!" (You may quote me on that).

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SDaniels Sept. 1, 2009 @ 12:48 p.m.

c'mon SurfP, you know we love you, and no one could have resisted pointing out that doozy :)

This has been a really productive thread, people, and for my part, thanks for the information.

I'm going to add a new twist here, so bear with the 'Dear Abby' tone:

Yes, I get interested in subjects thinking about a book project in future, but while my ideas about sneaking onto a Mormon compound are purely disinterested, I DO know a couple such as SurfP describes:

"...knowing your GF/wife is out at night grinding a dirtbag greaseball for $$$$, and to be honest it does not reflect good on the woman either."

I have a Platonic friend of several years who is a fun-loving, totally witty, hilarious, handsome, and talented individual. For the last two years, he has been dating a 30-ish woman who is a stripper at Cheetah's (maybe also at Dirty Dan's or whatever clubs she can get work at). She is also a Master's student in a creative writing program, and thinks she is going to write a bestselling book about her experiences as a stripper. Her writing sucks heartily (the one story I read of hers makes a stripper into a "heart of gold" type, and she actually makes it sound like she is faking knowledge of it. I don't see anything--even a good teaching job--coming out of this situation).

Anyway, she is not attractive, weighs an anorexic 98 lbs, and looks like a tiny Indian guru with a pinched, closed-off face--and NO implants. Aside from complete bafflement on how my friend can remain interested in her, how is it that she is a dancer?

How is it she makes any money at all? I know for a fact that the stripping gig has been slow in $$$--he sees that it is not a lucrative career by any stretch for her. What is this friend deriving from such a relationship, with a clearly damaged (for she is, yes) soul?

Is she one of the "three ugly ones" they always brag?

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gofurry Sept. 1, 2009 @ 12:54 p.m.

And for my MERE 56th comment:

 ).....here's the missing second parenthesis that shoulda' been stuck on after the word .....Ark"
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SurfPuppy619 Sept. 1, 2009 @ 12:56 p.m.

Well put, O "Poster of 1009 Comments To This Website Alone Not Counting All the Others" (sigh).

By gofurry

This coming from a JW sock puppet sccount......talk about hypocrite!

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gofurry Sept. 1, 2009 @ 1:02 p.m.

Here's # 57:

"Anyway, she is not attractive, weighs an anorexic 98 lbs, and looks like a tiny Indian guru with a pinched, closed-off face--and NO implants." By SDaniels

Indian, petite with no stupid plastic sacks. WOW! She sounds perfect! What's her work schedule?

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gofurry Sept. 1, 2009 @ 1:06 p.m.

"This coming from a JW sock puppet sccount......talk about hypocrite!" By SurfPuppy619

I'm sorry sir/madam - I have NO IDEA what a JW sock puppet sccount is. What ever it is, it is not ME!. I am my own single-brain-celled organism.

Respectfully submitted,

gofurry

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gofurry Sept. 1, 2009 @ 3:30 p.m.

Hey! You removed my comments #54 and 55! (Oops! Sorry! - I promise to self-edit next time.)

(gofurry looks down sheepishly, scratches nose, inserts thumb in mouth, removes it, guzzles large mug of "GO Diet Cola" (from Vons), belches, reinserts thumb.)

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SurfPuppy619 Sept. 1, 2009 @ 3:50 p.m.

JW, you can't fool me with your gimmick "GF" account buddy:)

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gofurry Sept. 1, 2009 @ 4:53 p.m.

Dear Mr/Ms SurfBowser

I beg to differ. I am NOT JW - whomever he/she may be.

Have a lovely day, anyway. Now go wax that water bowl of yours. Sit!

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MrPsychoGreaser Sept. 1, 2009 @ 6:26 p.m.

SurfPuppy619 wrote even more foolishness:

"As for you comments that my experiences with the highly professional stripper contingent are "hearsay", go back to law school and figure out what an admission by a party opponent is (hearsay exempted)."

Great, so you admit it yourself. Plead the 5th next...plead insanity. I'm not sure why you think admission by party opponent actually works for you favorably. You're basically implying that you have been officially appointed to speak on behalf of someone...in this case, a stripper. Someone bamboozled you with illusions of grandeur and you fell for it.

I don't blame you for not knowing how it all really works. The money has been and always will be inconsistent. If a dancer tells you she makes thousands of dollars every night and you believe her you both must be smoking some great stuff. You're just basing your ideas about the sex industry from your own personal experiences...maybe even as a customer or a stripper's mark. In that case, what you say makes absolute sense. I'm sure mass media misconceptions..yellow journalism...howard stern...have all contributed in your skewed perspective on the matter.

I'm new here and I guess I hadn't realized this forum meant so much to someone. I'm just passing through, no need for flaming or territorial pissings...sorry for contributing, sincerely. I ran across this story on the front of my local section of yahoo news and thought I'd contribute my insights. I'm well aware that some people would be skeptical and that's fine.

Anyone seriously interested in learning about San Diego's sex industry can attend the SDAEINC meetings every Wednesday night of the week from 7-11pm at the Bullpen (next to Cheetahs!). You can contact me at MrPsychoGreaser@yahoo.com if you'd like my take on anything.

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SurfPuppy619 Sept. 1, 2009 @ 8:29 p.m.

I'm new here and I guess I hadn't realized this forum meant so much to someone. I'm just passing through, no need for flaming or territorial pissings...

By MrPsychoGreaser

What do you think the Internet is here for? Without anonymous flaming it's no fun-and you're an easy target.

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MrPsychoGreaser Sept. 1, 2009 @ 10:40 p.m.

What do you think the Internet is here for? Without anonymous flaming it's no fun-and you're an easy target.

By SurfPuppy619

I actually agree with you. Haha.

Cheers. -MPG

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SDaniels Sept. 1, 2009 @ 10:54 p.m.

Hey gofurry, you got the 69th post. Well done. Now, can you change up your rhetoric a little, dear? We've all seen the Courbet multiple times.

MPG, I don't think you are a phony, and SurfP probably doesn't either--he's just stirring things up as usual, so don't take that seriously. It is all in good fun. You sound like you know the business, and have posted generously, without any apparent motivation other than to inform--much appreciated.

I'm still leaning toward the Mormon project, but curious--what is the business of this very long acronymic meeting group you mention?

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SDaniels Sept. 1, 2009 @ 11 p.m.

PS: What are the other options for gofurry's identity, SleuthPuppy? If not JW, you must have another theory :)

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Russ Lewis Sept. 2, 2009 @ midnight

SD: What's that Mormon project again?

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PistolPete Sept. 2, 2009 @ 12:47 a.m.

I'm thinking it stands for San Diego Adult Entertainers/Entertainment INCorporated. That's just an educated guess.

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SDaniels Sept. 2, 2009 @ 1:53 a.m.

Hey russl, a friend and have an interest in cult ideologies, and one of the most fascinating cult structures is fundamentalist Mormonism--not just the polygamy angle, but the belief structure around it. Many books have been written, but there are still so many stories to tell. It is just an idea in the idea stage. For starters, I love this site:

www.rickrossinstitute.com

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David Dodd Sept. 2, 2009 @ 2:13 a.m.

I'm thinking this, as an expose piece (accent on the last "e" in expose): Mormon strippers. Those who bare all for Joeseph Smith.

"Two Years Before The Pole", the story of a young Mormon girl, sickly and a bit of a bookworm that chooses a profession that is, oddly enough, enlightening, quite mechanical, and very unexpected.

Directed by Quentin Tarantino. Starring Tatum O'Neal as Mary Blankenship, Judge Reinhold as Harry Goldstein, and Sean Penn as Father Reynolds. From a novel written by Peter Matthiessen. Rated PG-13.

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MrPsychoGreaser Sept. 2, 2009 @ 2:14 a.m.

SDaniels:

A group of people involved in the adult entertainment industry that are local to San Diego.

all about them... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sdaeinc/

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Jay Allen Sanford Sept. 2, 2009 @ 5:04 a.m.

Related articles on the Reader site:

"Battle Of The Peeps" - feature article about running a San Diego strip club called Jolar, for the nation's second biggest pornographer, Harry Mohney (Deja Vu Showgirls founder). http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs...

"Pussycat Theaters - When 'Cathouses Ruled California" -- for the first time, the detailed inside story of the west coast Pussycat Theater chain of adult moviehouses, which peaked in the '70s but later died out. Told by those who actually ran the theaters! http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/bands/2008/dec/26/pussycat-theater-history-when-cathouses-ruled-ca-5/

"Stripper Poker" - local internet cafe with porn biz backing run by San Diego strip club owner specializes in online gambling - but is it legal? http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs...

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gofurry Sept. 3, 2009 @ 10:19 a.m.

"Hey gofurry, you got the 69th post. Well done. Now, can you change up your rhetoric a little, dear? We've all seen the Courbet multiple times. PS: What are the other options for gofurry's identity, SleuthPuppy? If not JW, you must have another theory :)" By SDaniels Hey! Come on, you guys! Do you think there are only 4 or 5 people in this town with the time to leave (in my case - incredibly stupid) comments on this website? I AM NOT anyone else 's sock puppet. I am, as I said before, a "single-brain-celled organism" whose main concerns are: 1. The rapid deforestation of the female pubic area. 2. Drinking real German beer (and real German Riesling wine). Compared to those incredibly important subjects, everything else diminishes - I'm talking global warming, national health care, unfettered illegal immigration, food shortages, Darfur (even though it has the word "fur" in it), San Diego City's fiscal crisis, broken water mains in SD and now La Mesa, alcohol beach bans, wild land fires, earthquakes in Indonesia (California too), the water shortage, Mexican sewage spills into I.B., and strip club customers who "dine and dash" - (is that the appropriate term if it happens in a strip club?). ANYWAY - DO NOT insult other people by assuming gofurry is them, for gofurry is NOT! (Did that make sense? - Probably not.)

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SDaniels Sept. 3, 2009 @ 11:11 a.m.

re: #84:

What an a-poling idea! I'll cowrite write the screen play with ya, Gringo! Now--we just need investors. SurfP? You were in the biz--want to produce?

re: #87: It makes perfect sense, Fred :)

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gofurry Sept. 3, 2009 @ 11:19 a.m.

re: #87: It makes perfect sense, Fred :)

By SDaniels 11:11 a.m., Sep 3, 2009 > Report

"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM NOT FRED!!!!You HAVE to believe me!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!"

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SDaniels Sept. 3, 2009 @ 11:31 a.m.

Hey, gofurry, calm down! Drink your coffee and finish your muffin :)

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gofurry Sept. 3, 2009 @ 11:41 a.m.

Hey! You said Muffin! That has the word MUFF in it! (Will you marry me?) XOXOXOXOXOXOXOX

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SDaniels Sept. 3, 2009 @ 11:46 a.m.

Good job, furry. That was a difficult pun :) However, it would never work for us. I am not a huge Courbet fan, and more importantly, don't believe in interspecies marriage.

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PistolPete Sept. 3, 2009 @ 11:49 a.m.

I must look like Shakespeare in comparison,SDaniels.

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gofurry Sept. 3, 2009 @ 2:29 p.m.

"I must look like Shakespeare in comparison,SDaniels." By PistolPete

CORRECT IN THE FIRST TWO LETTERS ONLY! (nyuck - nyuck!)

"I must look like Sh_ _." is correct.

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Russ Lewis Sept. 3, 2009 @ 2:41 p.m.

I think amateur night is Tuesday, Gofur.

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gofurry Sept. 3, 2009 @ 2:57 p.m.

One word: Wow!:

"I’m in no position to snipe at anybody’s weight, but most of our fellow diners did indeed look like folks who valued quantity over quality. Even at a nearby birthday party of eight, they barely talked to their fellow celebrants but bent obsessively over the plates, shoveling it in." By Dubya

"I think amateur night is Tuesday, Gofur." By russl

Wow! Everyone is so critical! Can't we all just get along? "Boody-Hoody!" (sniff-sniff!)

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gofurry Sept. 3, 2009 @ 3:42 p.m.

I can tell by looking at my computer that it's running low on ONES(1's) and ZEROS (0's), so you won't have gofurry to kick around much longer. My computer is feeling like that one named SAL, HAL, or CAL in 2001: A Space Oddity - singing: "Daisy, Daisy, give your answer, do ....I'm.... ..half.......craaaazzzzzzzyyyyy.........allll..... forrr..........the......luuuvvv....of...yoouuu.....uh!"

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