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Escondido Citizen Speaks Out Against Asociación de Charros
To Miss Mindy: Specifically, what have I said that is wrong? Also, if your waiting for animals to talk, you have a long wait, or maybe, you do have conversations with them? If you are having conversations with animals and they are answering you, you might consider getting some help.— February 4, 2011 9:29 a.m.
Escondido Citizen Speaks Out Against Asociación de Charros
To MsGarnt, it is funny, that you would accuse me of being in a bubble. You see, what I described happened when I was seven. I remember it like it was yesterday, like I remember standing in the basement of my high school waiting for the Russian transports to cross the quarantine line. I remember a man breathing his last breath on my cheek when I was in the Army, or what it was like to take a man in full rigger out of an attic, after he had been stuffed up there, by other inmates when I was a correctional officer. I remember too many things to try to set forth here, after 32 years of practicing law. Now you say “ people with a modicum of intelligence” know animals or specifically horses have emotions. Well, intelligent people know that humans have emotions and animals have instincts and responses. Think of the consequences of animals having human emotions. If it is true, then we should not eat them, because of the suffering we would be inflicting on them. Now if people don't eat meat, then we will have to completely restructure our whole economy. The problem with people with a “modicum of intelligence” is that they seldom think beyond their immediate emotions. Now I will ask you and Miss. Mindy, how many horses or cattle do you own. Have you ever taken care of them a a regular basis. Do you have any evidence of charreada, causing serious injuries to animals. If you have never owned livestock and never taken care of livestock, and you have no real evidence of charreada causing serious injuries to animals, then, who do you think you are, telling me and thousands of others who know, what to do.— February 3, 2011 10:32 a.m.
Escondido Citizen Speaks Out Against Asociación de Charros
To Mr. Mills; nobody survives on a social security check, especially in California. So don’t give me that B.S., you have other sources of income. Hindi gets millions by his own admission. How many horses or steers does he take care of? Actually, I hope neither of you take care of any horse or steer, since neither of you know anything about them. As far as scientific studies about animals having emotions, if you remember, you have sent me a number of them. You stopped when I kept pointing out they all said the same thing. The so-called scientist say they saw an animal acting like it had emotions, therefore they have emotions. Well, every time I go onto my property, I have horses and dogs run up to me. The dogs tails are wagging and the horses are licking their lips. Does that mean they love me! No, it means they know, by repeated occurrence, or by Pavlovian Response, that I am the one who feeds them. I understand this by the fact that I have owned livestock most of my life and I am around them everyday. You and Miss Mindy are not. So how do you two and Steve Hindi, get off, telling me and so many others who actually take care of livestock, what to do! As far as paying for the study, I would think that you would be champing at the bit (that is the thing you control a horse with) to be part of a study, if you thought what you were saying was true. The problem is, you know what you are saying is not true, starting with your description of mangana. The animal rights movement is based on deception, like Cathline Doyles’ so called study. Her facts were true, but her conclusion was just absolutely false. So, continue to peddle your lies, I will continue to tell the truth, backed up with evidence. In the long run, the American Public, will realize that you so called animal protectors are full of hot air. By the way Miss Mindy; I don’t get paid. I have abhorred discrimination, since one of my friends explained why one of my neighbors had numbers tattooed on her arm. Now I abhorrer, the fact that my children and grand children culture is called cruel and barbaric by ignorant people.— February 2, 2011 8:52 a.m.
Escondido Citizen Speaks Out Against Asociación de Charros
Yes Mr. Mills, you have nothing but rhetoric. I have put 72 videos of mangana on youtube and I have over 300 videos of mangana on my web page. None of what you described happened on any of those video. No urinating no defecating, no slamming into walls, not even one screaming horse. As far as what you claim happened in Colorado, where is your proof. Do you know how hard it is to diagnose a broken pelvis in a bovine. You always claim broken horses, broken steer, where is the proof. Even if it is true, then under your theory, we should stop baseball when a coach is killed by a line drive and football, where tens of thousands of serious injuries occur every year. The fact is very few animals as seriously injured in rodeo and charreada. I think I have shown that in mangana, I will start posting videos of cola, next. Now, Miss Melinda, if we follow your logic, about choice, we will need to have releases signed by steers at the chutes in every slaughterhouse and KFC, will have to have a contract to fry with the chickens. If I sound facetious, I am. What both of you are saying is silly to anyone who is logical. It is like Mr. Mills claiming that scientific studies prove that animals have emotions like people. That is not true. What he has, is someone claiming to be a scientist, saying he observed animals acting as if they have emotions, therefore they have emotions. No real scientist would publish something like that. There is no mention of control groups, no scientific analysts. Just more silliness. By the way, Miss Melinda, don't hold Hindi or Mills out as heroes, because they don't make money. Both of them have 501c3 corporations and they both get donations. Why don't you ask Mr. Mills and Mr. Hindi, what thy do with their money. I have, I have even asked about the animals they take care of. They will not answer. Don't you believe there is no money in animal rights work. Finally, if your children had been involved in Charreria, maybe they would have an understanding heritage and traditions. You probably would have had an easier time raising your children, since you would have been with people who believe in family and men who accept the responsibility of being fathers. You probably are thinking, that you could not be involved in animal abuse, well, why is it abuse, if very, very few animals are seriously injured. These animals are better off, then a high school football player on a Saturday night.— February 1, 2011 8:20 a.m.
Escondido Citizen Speaks Out Against Asociación de Charros
To Mindy:You say I don’t have humanity, just because I am not taken in by Eric Mills and Steve Hindi’s dribble. Hindi is the one who puts up the rodiocruelty videos. Neither Hendi or Mills has ever owned or taken care of livestock. I’ve been around horses and cattle most of my life. Yet they have the arrogance to tell me and many others how to take care of animals. As far as charreada, exactly how many animals can you prove were seriously injured in any event. Do you have any pictures or videos, Mills just has rhetoric. Hindi has two videos. The first is of a horse being captured a couple of times in mangana. He repeats these captures over and over, sometimes in slow motion. If you know animals, you can see the horse is not hurt. Youtube says the video has been up for two years. So you know that Hindi’s little command has been going to charreadas for that time. There are fifteen Federated Teams and more independat teams. The Federated teams do at least 100 charreadas a year. That is 200 in two years. In each charreada there are 27 colas. That is 5400 with just the Federated teams. In all that time, the so called animal protectors have found one steer, which they mistakenly call a bull, with what is most likely a broken leg. Now, do these protectors call a vet, no they get a deputy sheriif to shoot it. The fact is, these so called animal protectors, take the very few instances of animals being seriously injured in rodeo and charreada and make it appear if it is the norm. According to CNN, 50,000, children a year are hospitalized with injuries from high school football. If you search the web, you can find between 5 and 10 killed, each year. No-body wants to stop high school football. That is because the benefits outweigh the dangers. The same is true of rodeo and charreada. If you see a young person wearing the traje of a charro or charra, you know they are not involved in drive-by shootings or drugs. You know they are with their family and their animals. Yes, there is a small danger to animals, but the family values that are promoted in Charreada and Rodeo, are worth it.— January 31, 2011 9:30 a.m.
Escondido Citizen Speaks Out Against Asociación de Charros
The problem with the animal rights fanatics like Eric Mills is that he wants to treat animals better then people. According to Mills friend, Steve Hindi, he is spending Bob Barkers millions to by spy toys to protect pigeons. Think about how many starving children could be helped with that money. Think of what St, Jude could do with it. As far as cherry picking, for years, we have offered Mills and the other right fanatics the charro challenge. Lets do a scientific study of charreada, rodeo, steeple chase, cross country the racing. Lets see if there are repeated serious injuries. For years, they refuse. That is because they know what they are saying is just not true. Now watch this video about what Mills calls horse tripping http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO-EUX6rCR8— January 31, 2011 4:37 a.m.
Escondido Citizen Speaks Out Against Asociación de Charros
Watch these videos. The fact is very few animals are seriously injured in Charreada and the benefits of charreada outweigh the dangers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8ajQ_E3uCY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoVtEn0R6JY— January 30, 2011 6:55 p.m.